#indieweb 2017-02-24

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GWG Greetings
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GWG I seem to be getting activity on my WordPress trac ticket about disabling trackbacks by default.
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GWG Makes me think that I should address that
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GWG Anyone heard about this? http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/02/23/google-introduces-perspective-machine-learning-initiative-help-police-comments/
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KevinMarks hm, medium has https://medium.com/browse/history - I wonder if that could be PESOS'd
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@DanielCBerman @8BIT Have you come across the #Indieweb movement? Fascinating ideas and concepts about owning your own content https://twitter.com/hashtag/indieweb?f=tweets&vertical=default&lang=en (twitter.com/_/status/834958860616003584)
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aaronpk oh interesting
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aaronpk https://twitter.com/8BIT/status/834855772580356098
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@8BIT ? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5YA5D3WAAAQVVq.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/834855772580356098)
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aaronpk "we will now charge a one-time payment of $75, which includes your domain setup, an SSL certificate, and ongoing support for your domain on Medium"
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aaronpk clicking the emoji on my site is so fun
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-02-24.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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[acegiak_net] So I just added a post to my site with a syndication link to a tweet with the same content that I posted BEFORE the post. Will Bridget pick that up and bring me back replies to that original tweet?
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GWG Greetings, [acegiak_net]
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[acegiak_net] Hi!
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GWG [acegiak_net]: Working on a WordPress trac ticket.
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[acegiak_net] Neat!
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GWG techlifeweb opened a ticket on the Webmentions plugin, which had me doing a deep dive into the fact that custom post types require you to declare trackback support in order to get pingback and webmention support...
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GWG So I want to fix the issue in Core that equates them.
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[acegiak_net] Oh, hey, the bridgy thing worked!
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[acegiak_net] Sometimes I want to be able to pesos a tweet to my blog and have responses come over. Nice to know I can do that!
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GWG [acegiak_net]: snarfed might want to note that in the docs.
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GWG [acegiak_net]: Can I ask your opinion on something I'm wondering?
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GWG Should the Webmentions plugin require custom post types to declare their support for it?
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[acegiak_net] Why should they?
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[acegiak_net] Webmention is on a piece of content with a URL
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GWG Well, right now, for webmentions to work, you have to declare support for trackbacks
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[acegiak_net] Ok, so is that a technical limitation?
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GWG Because of a change they made in 4.3
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GWG No, its a setting
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[acegiak_net] I don't see the advantage of requiring it then
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GWG It can be safely assumed that if you installed the Webmention plugin, you want to enable Webmentions on posts, but not on pages or custom post types
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GWG So as it stands now, Webmention will not be supported for anything but posts. No custom post types, no pages.
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@DanielCBerman @8BIT If you haven't already come across it, check out http://indieweb.org as well. (twitter.com/_/status/834982207705886720)
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mblaney aaronpk I haven't implemented much of the spec, but submitted an implementation report for dobrado
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jihaisse Hello
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KartikPrabhu yo!
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jihaisse :)
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@webgefrickel @m_ott Bist Du auch aufm Indiewebcamp davor da? (twitter.com/_/status/835038055304212480)
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@m_ott @nice2meatu Und auch zum #IndieWebCamp? @webgefrickel (twitter.com/_/status/835040937759887360)
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snarfed interesting, each photo/video in an instagram multi-photo has its own shortcode hidden in the embedded JSON. using them gets you individual permalinks for them, where you can comment and like separate from the multi-photo.
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snarfed eg for the announcement https://www.instagram.com/p/BQ0mDB2gV_O/ , the first two are https://www.instagram.com/p/BQ0lyx9APPC/ and https://www.instagram.com/p/BQ0ly-bgMry/
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Loqi [Mike Krieger] Today we're launching the ability to post multiple photos and videos in one Instagram feed post! Here's a tour of Instagram HQ, where we moved in last year, including the Blue Bottle Coffee on our first floor. Looking forward to seeing what everyone ... https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s1080x1080/e35/16585414_390771237973093_6186516363977162752_n.jpg
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snarfed oh wow, those last two individual photo URLs also work in the android app, and i bet also ios, and work the same way they do on web. including that afaik there's no way to get to them through the normal UI.
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KartikPrabhu UA detection?.
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snarfed huh? no. unrelated.
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KartikPrabhu wait so what do you mean by "normal URL"?
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KartikPrabhu sorry UI?
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snarfed (btw now that i've liked the second individual photo, i can get to it in the app via the ... menu => "posts you've liked")
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snarfed s/normal UI/web or app UI/
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KartikPrabhu does Instagram nor reveal the actual image URL?
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KartikPrabhu but it does through the API or something
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j4y_funabashi morning all
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: the standalone permalinks for individual photo pages inside multi-photos, yes. e.g. those last two example permalinks i mentioned - https://www.instagram.com/p/BQ0lyx9APPC/ and https://www.instagram.com/p/BQ0ly-bgMry/ - seem to be inaccessible via the UI. you have to look at the JSON embedded in the multi-photo page, extract the shortcodes, and construct the URLs from them
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snarfed (API probably works too but it's now locked dow)
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KartikPrabhu I see! weird of Instagram to do that!
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j4y_funabashi Actually got my tag pages working finally yesterday \o/
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KartikPrabhu j4y_funabashi: nice
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KartikPrabhu do you paginate them?
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: I don't use Instagram so completely oblivious to their quirks
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j4y_funabashi KartikPrabhu: I just do 9 posts per page at the moment
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KartikPrabhu I see. I ak because I have been thinking of a good way to paginate tag pages
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j4y_funabashi KartikPrabhu: yeah for me its just a date ordered stream, filtered by category nothing fancy. What were your thoughts?
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KartikPrabhu I paginate by date so I was wondering if tag pages should also follow the same pattern
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KartikPrabhu currently my Notes and Articles have separate tags
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j4y_funabashi oh I see, so you have a year/month per page?
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j4y_funabashi looks like year pp for articles?
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KartikPrabhu yes Artilces are per year and Notes as per month
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j4y_funabashi I like the idea of month per page bu my site is mainly photos so I cant really afford that
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KartikPrabhu but I have been thinking of combining the "streams" but it seems hard since only Notes will be visible since they are more frequent
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KartikPrabhu my Notes are per month since I post those more often
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j4y_funabashi KartikPrabhu: yeah its tricky with lots of photos too. I dont want to include too many and make the page heavy
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KartikPrabhu yeah I understand that too.
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KartikPrabhu It seems complicated ti have many ways of pagination
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j4y_funabashi Yeah true
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j4y_funabashi I was thinking about ways of merging posts on the same day, maybe making a little grid layout of all photos on the same day
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KartikPrabhu possibly, but won't more frequent post be more visible then?
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KartikPrabhu maybe that is not a bad thing
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j4y_funabashi or making it more like a summary of the day like aaron's calendar view
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j4y_funabashi this is for homepage btw, I will prolly stick with standard streams for other pages
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j4y_funabashi by having some sort of aggregate/summary view on the homepage
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KartikPrabhu yeah, I am thinking homepage too. I currently put most recent Notes/Articles but I don't know hoe useful that is
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KartikPrabhu probbaly only 10 people read my site anyway :)
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j4y_funabashi oh yeah ha thats 9 more than me :D
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j4y_funabashi but thats great, takes the pressure off having to make it work for other people :)
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j4y_funabashi KartikPrabhu: have you seen rhiaro's homepage?
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KartikPrabhu I think I have, but I don't post as many things :)
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j4y_funabashi ahh, you could just have bigger squares? :)
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KartikPrabhu lol, yeah probably
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j4y_funabashi I just point it out as a great example of a birds-eye-view homepage
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KartikPrabhu I agree
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KartikPrabhu UI is hard
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j4y_funabashi https://j4y.co/p/20170224093044_58affd44b615c
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j4y_funabashi hmm wonder why Loqi didnt pick that up
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j4y_funabashi anyway, little off topic but if aaronpk, tantek, anyone else on the west coast has any recommendations I would be v grateful if you could send some here https://j4y.co/p/20170224093044_58affd44b615c
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Loqi [indieweb] "Building a web platform to help people improve their online privacy -> help me brainstorm!" by /u/NCols on 2017-02-24 https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/5vwmk5/building_a_web_platform_to_help_people_improve/
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@IndieWebCampDE WICHTIG ⚡️ Wer besucht beide IWCs im Mai (https://indieweb.org/Events#iwc-de) und hat Lust auf #IndieWeb-Express DUS → NBG per Bahn am 17.5.? Bitte RT! (twitter.com/_/status/835092226694922241)
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@jkphl #IndieWeb folks: Who's attending both #DE-IWCs in May https://indieweb.org/Events#iwc-de and is up for joint train ride DUS → NBG on May 17th? Pls RT (twitter.com/_/status/835092636381954049)
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@jkphl #IndieWebWeek details shortly +@calum_ryan @aaronpk @m_ott @fredericmarx @justb3a @webgefrickel @webrocker… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/835093616280358912 (twitter.com/_/status/835093616280358912)
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@btconf 30 people already registered for this year’s #indiewebcamp in Düsseldorf during #btconf. Also interested? Check here https://beyondtellerrand.com/events/duesseldorf-2017/side-events/indiewebcamp/ (twitter.com/_/status/835093987870519296)
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@getkirby I’m super excited that almost the entire Kirby team is going to be at IndieWeb Camp Düsseldorf and @btconf in May this year. (twitter.com/_/status/835094836525076480)
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@jkphl #IndieWebWeek details shortly +@voxpelli @jeena @BarnabyWalters @t @egoexpress @sfeldeu @LukasRosenstock… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/835094902077861888 (twitter.com/_/status/835094902077861888)
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GWG Morning
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Loqi guten morgen
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sknebel morning!
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sknebel I've linked Düsseldorf to the front page
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sknebel *on the front page
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sknebel and that's a good reminder to make plans for those 2
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Zegnat I want to start planning for them too, but I can’t realistically make any plans until my move to Sweden is over :(
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calumryan confirmed I’ll be in Germany for both IWCs
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calumryan jkphl++ good work on the planning for both
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Loqi jkphl has 22 karma
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aaronpk j4y_funabashi: as is quickly being demonstrated in that thread, generic advice without context is not going to be super useful. Whatever you do, you should start by explaining threat models and make sure every recommendation is tied to a specific threat, so people have context of why they're doing something and what it protects against. That will also help avoid a lot of philosophical arguments around some
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aaronpk of the recommendations
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aaronpk lol oops, j4y_funabashi that was not directed at you. I thought Loqi's line with the reddit link was an expansion of your URL!
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j4y_funabashi ha I thought that was an odd response :)
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Zegnat aaronpk, is there some sort of global issue tracker for the IndieWeb GitHub org?
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aaronpk heh, um, closest thing would be the wiki repo https://github.com/indieweb/wiki
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@offrayLC Gogs: A painless self-hosted Git service. Can be installed in 5 minutes! https://gogs.io/ #IndieWeb. (twitter.com/_/status/835134999393353728)
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Zegnat aaronpk, I wanted to open a centralised issue/discussion about licensing projects that are published under the GitHub org. Instead of the several relicensing issues that are opened in different repos. Wiki didn’t sound like the right place
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aaronpk ah yeah. i can't think of a better place tho
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Zegnat I’ll put it in wiki and then link it to as many of the other issues as possible. Just to see if we can get the ball rolling on that :)
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@joelpurra @sl007 Did you push? Will wait for the next #Berlin event, please ping if I miss the invitation =) @sebastiangreger https://indieweb.org/Homebrew_Website_Club#Berlin.2C_Germany (twitter.com/_/status/835147554098720768)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on Buzzfeed implements the IndieWeb concept of backfeed to limit filter bubbles by Jeanie Aldrich" by Jeanie Aldrich on 2017-02-21 http://boffosocko.com/2017/02/20/buzzfeed-implements-a-form-of-the-indieweb-concept-of-backfeed-to-limit-filter-bubbles/#comment-33901
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Loqi [indieweb] "Comment on The Indieweb Frees Me From “Awaiting Moderation” by Chris Aldrich" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-02-20 http://boffosocko.com/2016/08/10/the-indieweb-frees-me-from-awaiting-moderation/#comment-33900
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snarfed granary now supports instagram multi-photos
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aaronpk snarfed++ that was fast
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Loqi snarfed has 255 karma in this channel (260 overall)
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snarfed and following up on my investigation last night, if you click on the individual photos, they take you to the hidden per-photo permalinks
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snarfed e.g. click on the second big photo in https://granary-demo.appspot.com/instagram/mikeyk/@self/@app/BQ0mDB2gV_O?format=html
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Loqi [Mike Krieger] Today we're launching the ability to post multiple photos and videos in one Instagram feed post! Here's a tour of Instagram HQ, where we moved in last year, including the Blue Bottle Coffee on our first floor. Looking forward to seeing what everyone ... https://scontent-ord1-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s1080x1080/e35/16585414_390771237973093_6186516363977162752_n.jpg
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aaronpk lol! you commented on it
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snarfed and liked :P
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aaronpk does that comment not appear on the parent post?
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snarfed funny artifact, exposes how multi-photos are kind of just consolidated individual photos, like FB does sometimes
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snarfed aaronpk: nope
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aaronpk iiiinteresting...
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snarfed (see logs from around midnight pst)
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aaronpk i wonder if this is actually then more similar to how i implemented "albums" on my site
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aaronpk where each photo has its own URL and they just get shown together on the album's permalink
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snarfed i think yes, and IG also hides the individual photos
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aaronpk that might mean I implement this as albums in ownyourgram
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aaronpk that would solve how to present a combination of photos and videos
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miklb I didn't think quote tweets counted the link to the tweet being quoted
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jeremycherfas Well, it has been a long couple of days, but I have created pages to bring my reviews out of Goodreads and my highlights and notes out of Kindle, here https://www.jeremycherfas.net/reviews
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jeremycherfas Still need to do a bit of styling; where there is a note attached to a highlight, it would be good to be able to have them side by side, as it were.
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jeremycherfas Trouble is, the styling that Kindle delivers out of the box does not make that easy.
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Loqi [indieweb] "Retweeted this tweet: Offray Vladimir Luna on Twitter: “Gogs: A painless self-hosted Git service. Can be installed in 5 minutes! https://t.co/OqhKIsN6sX #IndieWeb.”" by Scott Kingery on 2017-02-24 http://techlifeweb.com/15582-2/
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dgold jeremycherfas: are you syndicating those back _in_ to goodreads?
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jeremycherfas Dgold: not so far. Goodreads has the notes and highlights from Amazon anyway, but I may yet consider that. Or maybe linking back to the original.
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miklb hmm. anyone know if responding to a webmention comment in WP sends reply mention?
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miklb responding in the comments that is
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miklb !tell GWG do you know if replying to a webmention comment in the comments sends a mention reply?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@frstie @JohnONolan @stefanbc @teabass https://indieweb.org/webmention may be of interest (and this extension https://indieweb.org/Vouch) (twitter.com/_/status/835186782383796224)
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aaronpk i thought john was aware of webmention already
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aaronpk https://twitter.com/JohnONolan/status/835139779188547584
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@JohnONolan @stefanbc @teabass would love to see a modern replacement for pingbacks though! (twitter.com/_/status/835139779188547584)
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Zegnat jeremycherfas++ nice work!
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Loqi jeremycherfas has 1 karma
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@aaronpk @stefanbc Happy to explain in more detail over chat! https://indieweb.org/discuss (IRC/Slack/Matrix) (twitter.com/_/status/835190280722632704)
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jeremycherfas Zegnat: Thanks. I’ll probably need to come back here to make sure I have all the right classes in there.
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Zegnat Any time you get data out of a silo and into your own hands is a win. Wether all the microformats are in place or not.
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jeremycherfas Heh. Yes. But once I have gone this far, may as well go further …
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jeremycherfas And preferably while I can do it in the templates.
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@aaronpk @johnonolan Vouch is much less widely implemented at the moment, but I'm excited to see it grow. Also excited for https://indieweb.org/private-webmention (twitter.com/_/status/835191560757100545)
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sgreger miklb, i believe sending wp comments out as webmentions is what this plugin in development aims to achieve: https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-webmention-for-comments
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miklb sgreger ah, thanks. I'll look at that.
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sgreger i haven't tried it myself, yet (just crawled through all the wp-related wiki pages today to get myself up-to-date)
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miklb I wonder what "still in development" means lol
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dgold[m] hadn't realised there was a matrix bridge to the chat
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aaronpk yeah it's an IRC bridge run by matrix for the whole freenode network. nothing special to us :)
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dgold i like the _idea_ of matrix, but it is desperately memory hungry in use
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aaronpk that seems to be a common theme in chat clients other than really simple IRC clients
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dgold oh, you can preach that. slack is ridiculously bad
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dgold mind you, I think all these chromium-based things are as bad as each other
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sknebel well, there are quite a few Matrix clients
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sknebel question is how long the alternatives are going to survive/how good they are vs the webtech based ones
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dgold sknebel: I was thinking more of the server-side - a decentralized chat system is dependent on multiple redundant servers
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sknebel hadn't tried the server-side yet, so don't know about that
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dgold but matrix seems[-ed?] to demand particularly high memory levels
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miklb Textual on macOS is surprisingly lightweight in memory usage, though I get CPU spikes occasionally
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sknebel I looked around for XMPP clients for desktop again today, seems like the old trusty gajim is the only serious contender. everything newer has been abandoned already or is lacking modern features
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bear sknebel - have you seen Sparrow?
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bear (xmpp desktop client)
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bear err swift - doh
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bear sknebel -- https://swift.im/
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bear it's what I use and it's cross platform
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sknebel no, I didn't. will check it out.
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bear it's under active dev and has the support of an xmpp server company that is also very active
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sknebel (right now I use pidgin with plugin, but it can't do anything recent, like message archives on the server and stuff like that)
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sknebel will look into it. bear++
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bear yep - get a look at swift - the new beta now also supports file transfers
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dgold bear - that's a really nice app
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dgold sknebel: I think the wind whent out of xmpp's sails a bit when google chucked it
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dgold tried to install the Press Forward plugin to wp, following chrisaldrich's enthusiasm
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dgold its now hosed two separate WP installations
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dgold might I ask: could someone kindly point me at an incremental starting point to indieweb-configure a WP installation?
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@sl007 @LarsWienand Eine gute http://indieweb.org/posse Software? Unbezahlbar. (twitter.com/_/status/835221370749468673)
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bear dgold - the funny-but-not-really-funny is that google still uses bits of xmpp internally
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bear as do a number of other chat/message stacks
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GWG Afternoon
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Loqi GWG: miklb left you a message 3 hours, 7 minutes ago: do you know if replying to a webmention comment in the comments sends a mention reply?
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GWG miklb, no because is the simplest answer
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KevinMarks Gillmor Gang time
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@m_ott Also bei mir ist es zur #btconf und dem #IndieWebCamp nun das Motel One geworden. Viele positive Stimmen – und einige bekannte Gesichter. ? (twitter.com/_/status/835235139567431681)
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aaronpk quiet week this week
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GWG aaronpk, President's Week?
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-02-24.html
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Homebrew Website Club 2017-02-22" http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2017-02-22.html
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GWG Should I be hurt that I wrote a draft for a blog in August and it still hasn't been approved for posting?
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martymcguire[m] haha, sweet, i wrote an audio edition script based on yesterday's version of the newsletter and i think it is gonna stick. :}
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Loqi awesome
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martymcguire[m] (still spent multiple hours on it and need to record and edit)
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gRegorLove Does the newsletter generate again before sending? Just updated /events with next HWC
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aaronpk yeah, in about 15 minutes
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-02-24.html
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-02-24.html https://twitter.com/indiewebcamp/status/835266821972320256/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/835266821972320256)
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aaronpk yay multi-photo
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Loqi ?
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