#indieweb 2017-04-26

2017-04-26 UTC
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@TheFoundryWA Sign up now. https://2017.indieweb.org/bellingham https://2017.indieweb.org/bellingham (twitter.com/_/status/857045249339777024)
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gRegorLove Hey, cool. That's nice of them. I didn't even request they tweet about it. ^
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KartikPrabhu that is pretty cool
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Site Updates: Importing Old Posts, Disqus Comments" https://martymcgui.re/2017/04/25/214545/
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pfefferle good morning
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Loqi good morning!
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[colinwalker] Hey :)
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GWG Good morning, all
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GWG Or afternoon
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[colinwalker] Time flies... Afternoon
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schmarty good morning, IndieWeb!
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Loqi schmarty: gRegorLove left you a message on 2017-01-19 at 1:35am UTC: FYI the FB event linked from 01/25 HWC doesn't appear to be public https://www.facebook.com/events/414143472250335/
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Loqi schmarty: [chrisaldrich] left you a message 3 weeks, 3 days ago: The link in this week's podcast points to last week's newsletter; keep up the good work!
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schmarty aha! I fixed my matrix IRC nickname! ?
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[jeremycherfas] schmarty++
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Loqi schmarty has 6 karma in this channel (7 overall)
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[jeremycherfas] Nice work importing your Disqus comments. That’s low down on my list of priorities, but I’ll bookmark your page for sure.
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schmarty jeremycherfas: thanks! i didn't have too many disqus comments to preserve, so i'm glad it turned out to be pretty simple.
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[jeremycherfas] Good that you could do it.
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[jeremycherfas] I’ve just embarked on a child theme that will enable me to style some posts differently without having different post types.
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skippy dipping my toes into the IndieWeb waters with Hugo: https://skippy.net/hugo/
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Loqi hugo
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sknebel you're not kidding with no styling ;)
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skippy yup
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skippy i'm no designer, and i end up just getting angry whenever i try to make CSS work for me.
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[colinwalker] That's retro ?
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[jeremycherfas] Hey colinwalker Just looking at your https://colinwalker.blog/2017/04/25/sending-likes-and-replies-using-custom-fields/ and wondering why you use `file_get_contents()` — some people seem to think it is insecure and to prefer WP_get_remote(). I know nothing about that, so wondered whether you had a reason.
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Loqi [Colin Walker] Sending likes and replies using custom fields
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[colinwalker] jeremycherfas It was just in the example I found on the web ? I'll look into it. Thanks.
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[jeremycherfas] I’m so new at this that I need to look at every function. But yours has inspired me to have a go.
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sknebel skippy: there is always https://bestmotherfucking.website/ to steal basic CSS from ;)
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@kotatsu_mi IndieWeb https://indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/857232855595851777)
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miklb skippy++
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Loqi skippy has 1 karma
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[colinwalker] jeremycherfas Cool. Now, having a look I appear to broken it ?
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[colinwalker] *have
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[jeremycherfas] Erk.
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[jeremycherfas] I managed to add content using your method, but as a result discovered that what I really want to be doing is adding a `post_class` which is what I am fiddling with now.
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[colinwalker] Fixed it *phew!*
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[colinwalker] Different class based on post type?
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[chrisaldrich] jeremycherfas If you go the other direction, and don't use the Post Kinds plugin for WP, you should check out the https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-indieweb-press-this Press This bookmarklet which will add the mark up automatically for you on some of the common types.
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Loqi [pfefferle] wordpress-indieweb-press-this: some IndieWeb magic for WordPress' "press this" bookmarklet
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[chrisaldrich] It's built into the Indieweb plugin automatically and can be found under your tools tab
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[jeremycherfas] colinwalker Not quite. I don’t want to get too deep into the theme, so I don’t want to change the way it uses post types. But I do want some kinds of post — for the sake of argument, lists of links as opposed to articles — to be styled differently. So they are the same but different, distinguished by a custom field. And I have just successfully created the function and filter to conditionally add a new class to post_classes so I can
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[jeremycherfas] Time for a walk, and then I’ll write it up.
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[chrisaldrich] sounds like an interesting way to approach it
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[jeremycherfas] Thanks chrisaldrich But my need is different. I’m concerned to style posts differently on my site. I’ll be writing all of them, so essentially not worried too much about indieweb markup. Just want a visual difference between my Podcast articles, my Eat This Newsletter articles and my Other articles.
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[jeremycherfas] My current joy is total, having a lime green background to some of my article posts in my local instance. That’s the first step. ??
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[chrisaldrich] I suspect that for ETP, you'll have a limited number of post kinds to support; can't wait to see what you come up with.
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[jeremycherfas] Exactly. Wondering whether to write it up piecemeal, as I achieve each major stopping point. Probably that’s what I’ll do.
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[colinwalker] Just updating my post jeremycherfas and crediting you ?
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[jeremycherfas] Eeek. I just parrot what I read elsewhere.
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[colinwalker] If it all blows up we know who to blame ?
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Loqi [superfeedr] "wakest shared a status by gcupc@anticapitalist.party" on 2017-04-26 https://mastodon.social/users/wakest/updates/2143089
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[cleverdevil] Morning, all.
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[colinwalker] Morning.
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[colinwalker] (Well, afternoon)
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sknebel morning
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tantek good morning sknebel
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GWG Good day
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[jeremycherfas] Hello @GWG
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GWG Greetings from jet lag, where I seem to be living now
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[eddie] https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-F55NCUUNB/screenshot_2017-04-26_12.22.22.png?pub_secret=7103f18174&name=Screenshot 2017-04-26 12.22.22.png
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[eddie] aaronpk++
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[eddie] Shout out to aaronpk for the “Import Checkins” functionality in OwnYourSwarm. Sooooo useful. Grabbing a bunch of previous checkins that I had been doing intentionally with the plan of importing to my site when I got my checkin stuff figured out.
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Loqi aaronpk has 493 karma in this channel (1297 overall)
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[eddie] ownyourswarm++
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Loqi ownyourswarm has 2 karma
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[cleverdevil] ownyourswarm has been one of the most fun additions to my site.
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schmarty lookin' good, [eddie] !
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aaronpk nice!
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aaronpk i've gotta make a proper import feature still in order to import my years of checkins
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[eddie] Haha, yeah, I can see how years worth would be difficult with the manual method ?
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Loqi [eddie]: lol
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[eddie] I feel like you must have caused an uptick in swarm usage. I actually hadn’t touched it since it was all within “Foursquare” until OwnYourSwarm. Suddenly it became useful again ?
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aaronpk lol!
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[eddie] And knowing OwnYourSwarm existed caused me to start using it daily
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[eddie] lol
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[cleverdevil] I hadn't used Foursquare in *years*.
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[cleverdevil] Having the ability to send my checkins to my site completely changed the game for me. Now I use it daily as well.
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schmarty my last Foursquare checkin was in 2012 but OwnYourSwarm has me really tempted to start again.
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schmarty though honestly i just want the nice UX and don't actually want Swarm to have the data, haha
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tantek FWIW I believe Foursquare offers export as a giant .ics file of all your checkins
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tantek I would not recommend attempting to import it to iCalendar however
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[eddie] schmarty: That’s true. I’ve also been taking secret delight in the gamification a bit. I think you’re right though, if a nice UX micropub checkin service existed, that would likely be a huge contender, as it is a *little* creepy to log so much data in Swarm
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M-mxuribe skippy: just dipped into this room for a quick second (before hopping into a work conf.), when i noticed the "hugo" post that i can only assume you were writing specifically to me! :-) I recently started using hugo for same reasons you cited...I have so many questions for you...but lack the time!!!! Another time perhaps.
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tantek eddie, knowing the Foursquare founder, and having known lots of people that have worked there, I'm a bit more comfortable with so much data there
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tantek than I would be with other silos / startups
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aaronpk agreed. and also I like seeing in the foursquare app which of my friends have been places when I'm traveling
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aaronpk I feel like they do a pretty good job of using the data for purposes that help me, rather than just selling ads to me
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tantek definitely. like night & day compared to say, Yelp
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[eddie] tantek aaronpk: Good to hear!!
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tantek eddie plus their APIs allow you to do a lot. like have you seen aaronpk's Swarm clock (physical)?
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aaronpk https://aaronparecki.com/2016/01/04/9/harry-potter-clock
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] So this is working now! A clock which moves its hands to show what category of venue I've last checked in at. Next step is to add more hands for my friends who still check in all the time on Swarm! #weasleyclock #harrypotter #swarm #foursquare https://aaronparecki.com/2016/01/04/9/photo.jpeg
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Loqi [superfeedr] "@LukasRosenstock Absolutely. Make it easy to host an indieweb capable domain and business can only grow." by Jeremy Cherfas on 2017-04-21 http://stream.jeremycherfas.net/2017/lukasrosenstock-absolutely-make-it-easy-to-host-an-indieweb-capable
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tantek aaronpk that facepile tho ?
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aaronpk so good
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tantek does the clock still work?
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aaronpk yeah!
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tantek wow
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aaronpk it's been running since then!
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tantek please bring it to IndieWeb Summit
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aaronpk ooh haha
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tantek maybe we need to explicitly do a "Show & Tell"
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tantek at the start
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Disqus, Self-Hosting, and Owning Your Interactions" https://cleverdevil.io/2017/disqus-self-hosting-and-owning-your-interactions
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M-mxuribe There's also what i just read about on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14202456
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tantek aaronpk, oh hey now that you have native checkin posts on your site, could the clock perhaps get updated from your site's checkins instead of directly from Foursquare/Swarm?
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tantek that way if you happen to ever checkin *not* using Swarm, the clock would still work
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aaronpk yeah, i want to combine that with GPS locations on my website
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tantek maybe spots for "bicycling" and "running"
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aaronpk I don't check in outside of swarm, but I do track GPS everywhere and my GPS knows when I'm home and swarm does not
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tantek oh yeah!
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aaronpk right now i basically have two data sources feeding that clock. i'd like to combine it to just my website!
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[eddie] What in the world….. That clock is crazy!!
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[eddie] Mind. Blown.
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tantek lol
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tantek Oh yeah eddie we were eventually going to tell you that aaronpk is a wizard
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sknebel (my money is on "time traveller", to get around that stupid "days have only 24 hours and people have to sleep sometimes" problem)
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tantek what is the clock?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "clock" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek A clock is something that shows the time, like a watch, except either larger or affixed somewhere or both; in the context of the indieweb, a clock on your home page shows the time where you are, and a clock on your wall at home shows where you are, like https://aaronparecki.com/2016/01/04/9/harry-potter-clock
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Loqi ok
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] So this is working now! A clock which moves its hands to show what category of venue I've last checked in at. Next step is to add more hands for my friends who still check in all the time on Swarm! #weasleyclock #harrypotter #swarm #foursquare https://aaronparecki.com/2016/01/04/9/photo.jpeg
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aaronpk lol what a tricky sentence
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ben_thatmustbeme and still ended a sentence in a preposition
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tantek a URL is not a preposition :P
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tantek feeble attempt at Harry Potter writing style
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ben_thatmustbeme i was talking about aaronpk's 'checked in at'
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ben_thatmustbeme hehe
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[kevinmarks] My swarm ics file is so big Google Calendar chokes on it
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[kevinmarks] Though I still need hosted known to take Aaron's patches for ownyourswarm to work for me.
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[kevinmarks] Also, swarm's PESOS is not quite right - it make a tweet per photo with multiples, and on fb it posts juts the 1st photo and links to an app install link for the rest
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[kevinmarks] Eg https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/857243374159638528
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@kevinmarks ? ? (@ Packhorse Bridge in Stokesley) https://www.swarmapp.com/c/canPLfvzYB5 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-WKTgqXoAA3qOw.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/857243374159638528)
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tantek kevinmarks - because FB API doesn't allow multiphotos, and they probably haven't updated the cross-post to Twitter code to take advantage of Twitter's multiphoto post support
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[kevinmarks] Even checking into everything I walked past in London Monday Tuesday I still only got half the points that zeldman did
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tantek walking past checkins are commonly considered undesirable
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tantek also you need to max out the photos
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tantek and wear your microformats t-shirt and checkin "with microformats"
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[kevinmarks] I was wearing it on Monday. Can I go back and add it?
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[kevinmarks] Walking past for landmarks is ok
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tantek IF you stop and take a photo of it and at least read the sign ;)
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tantek (photo of sign good enough evidence that you read it)
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[eddie] aaronpk: Do you aggrigate any drink stats? (https://aaronparecki.com/drank) like “Drank X cups of coffee this year”
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aaronpk i don't, but i want to!
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[eddie] I’m thinking about beginning to track, if nothing else, my Mt. Dew consumption because I think that would be interesting to see in aggregate.
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[cleverdevil] #OwnYourBigData
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[cleverdevil] ?
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tantek eddie have you seen the Feltron reports?
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tantek 10 year project from 2005 to 2014. http://feltron.com/FAR05.html to http://feltron.com/FAR14.html with obv URL hack for intermediate years
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tantek pretty much the epitome of indieweb bigdata / personal annual report
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tantek what is an annual report?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "annual report" yet. Would you like to create it?
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[eddie] tantek: Very interesting. I’ll have to take a closer look at this
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[eddie] This … is … amazing
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miklb anyone using WordPress know of a way to log webmentions sent? Not really a way I can find to know if your webmention is sent, except via the bridgy-publish plugin that does give feedback.
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tantek is anyone logging webmentions sent at all?
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miklb tantek do you not know if you successfully sent a webmention then?
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tantek depends on what you mean by "success"
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tantek I mean you can log what the endpoint returns
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tantek but that doesn't tell you if your comment/like/RSVP actually got displayed properly at the other end
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snarfed got a native webmention from micro.blog! https://snarfed.org/2017-04-18_24079#comment-2603993
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Loqi m
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tantek snarfed whoa!
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miklb tantek I'm not so much concerned if displayed correctly, I just don't know if my WP site is properly sending and what the endpoint returns
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miklb hell, no way I'm aware of if the improperly sent
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tantek miklb webmention.rocks is useful for testing that
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tantek snarfed that reminds me I probably should go register to grab a certain account :D
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tantek "You can post directly from Micro.blog or any compatible weblog client that supports the Micropub API or Blogger XML-RPC API."
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tantek Woot!
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Loqi ?
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tantek micro.blog++
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Loqi micro.blog has 1 karma
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ben_thatmustbeme micro.blog++
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Loqi micro.blog has 2 karma
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miklb tantek I guess I'm looking for a way to see what the endpoint returns then. In general, I know the WP plugin works, but it seems it would be good to have some kind of feedback when you send a webmention.
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tantek agreed
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tantek wait i'm confused between a microblog username and sitename
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tantek er hostname
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tantek they seem to be different?
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[cleverdevil] So, my understanding is that micro.blog/username is for the aggregation service.
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[cleverdevil] username.micro.blog is for "I don't have my own site, please host a microblog for me"
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[cleverdevil] I got a few native webmentions into my Known site from Micro.blog, but they don't actually show up...
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[cleverdevil] So, maybe a bug in Known, not sure.
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tantek cleverdevil, can you post the URLs of webmention sources?
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aaronpk yep! https://micro.blog/aaronpk is syndicating my posts from my site
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miklb I'm having issues with my replies & quote tweets showing up properly on micro.blog
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[cleverdevil] http://share.cleverdevil.io/WMEnFooyux.png
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[cleverdevil] http://share.cleverdevil.io/nmb4ocMPJk.png
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GWG miklb, there is a hook set up for that. Logging not included
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[cleverdevil] https://micro.blog/stumax/11997
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Loqi [stumax] @cleverdevil Nice move to get rid of Disqus. Most of us aren't technically savvy enough to do that. I've solved the problem by just turning comments off. Maybe Microblog replies will be sufficient? :-) http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/836362aa6ab5bc0f27e5b560c59f14da?s=96
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[cleverdevil] That's one of them.
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miklb GWG is it documented anywhere?
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aaronpk aha micro.blog is missing in-reply-to
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tantek wow this is cool: http://help.micro.blog/2017/web-site-verification/
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GWG miklb, in the changelog
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snarfed i posted a like of that micro.blog reply, https://snarfed.org/2017-04-26_snarfed-beautiful , but it doesn't show up on https://micro.blog/m/11817 , i assume because of this in their docs:
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Loqi [Ryan Barrett] likes @snarfed Beautiful
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snarfed "Hosted blogs on Micro.blogs can also receive Webmentions from other sites outside of Micro.blog, but currently only for site URLs which have also been set in a Micro.blog user’s profile. Micro.blog uses this to match the reply with a Micro.blog username." http://help.micro.blog/2017/webmention/
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[cleverdevil] That heads here -> https://cleverdevil.io/2017/disqus-self-hosting-and-owning-your-interactions
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Loqi [Jonathan LaCour] Disqus, Self-Hosting, and Owning Your Interactions
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GWG I wanted to write an add on
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snarfed i don't really understand why micro.blog can't handle webmentions to URLs without a username, seems totally doable, but meh
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miklb GWG changelog of the webmention plugin or…
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tantek Hmm so I've setup https://micro.blog/t
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ben_thatmustbeme tests out... hmm, need invite code
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miklb are signups open already
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tantek snarfed perhaps it's a precaution
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aaronpk i think it's part of their focus on community management
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tantek they're rolling out slowly to kickstarter backers
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snarfed that's all fine, but read that webmention restriction again closely.i don't see how it relates.
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miklb ah, OK. I did that, but was able to roll in from being on snippets.today
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GWG miklb, changelog of the Webmention plugin
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aaronpk snarfed: it means the only posts you see on micro.blog will come from other users of micro.blog
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aaronpk which means they can enforce ToS
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[colinwalker] Yeah early days.
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snarfed i interpreted it differently, as about the target URL, not source URL. ie they can only find the user by parsing username out of the target URL.
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snarfed slightly ambiguous, but maybe you're right
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miklb GWG gotcha webmention_post_send. I'll look for that in the docs
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miklb s/docs/source code/
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GWG miklb, if you write something to log. tell me
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miklb absolutely.
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Happy anniversary, Chris, you are a continuing inspiration and role model for the #indieweb and long may it last!" by Rob Fairhead on 2017-04-26 http://raretrack.uk/2017/happy-anniversary-chris-you-are-a-continuing-inspiration-and-role
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gRegorLove I log sent webmentions and the response code
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snarfed pretty cool actually. i pointed micro.blog at my site's RSS feed ages ago, when it was still snippets.today, then forgot about it until just now, but it's been auto-syndicating every since. https://micro.blog/snarfed
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miklb gRegorLove do you use WP?
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gRegorLove No, ProcessWire
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gRegorLove Sorry, was replying to tantek's earlier question, hadn't caught up
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tantek nice flowers snarfed
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miklb that's what I want to build as an add-on for WP then.
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miklb just want to look at some prior art for logging with WP.
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tantek miklb my posting UI just lists all the webmentions sent and whether they succeeded but I don't "log" those results anywhere
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Implausible amounts of joy" by Jeremy Cherfas on 2017-04-26 https://www.jeremycherfas.net/blog/implausible-amounts-of-joy
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miklb tantek do you use a micropub client that gives that feedback?
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gRegorLove miklb: You can search for "webmentions-sent" in https://github.com/gRegorLove/ProcessWire-Webmention/blob/master/Webmention/Webmention.module
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tantek miklb, not quite. custom php on my server
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gRegorLove It uses a core ProcessWire function to write to text log, so it probably won't be helpful in that regard
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snarfed ok, i've done micro.blog's web site verification, so it can now map snarfed.org to my username...but https://micro.blog/m/11817 doesn't actually advertise a webmention endpoint at all. so much for receiving wms.
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Loqi [m] @snarfed Beautiful http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/ded350e5a0a84dbe387bfbfbaaf6e1d8?s=96
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tantek snarfed, maybe a bug? you're the first to try?
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snarfed maybe!
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miklb I could see a need to purge old logs, or only store X-number of sent, etc. But if posting from a micropub client, I could see desire to look back to know if a webmention was sent or if an error occurred.
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tantek is not used to being the optimist in conversations with snarfed ;)
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snarfed lol
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[chrisaldrich] tantek: here's an odd quirk of namespaces on micro.blog: http://t.micro.blog/ compare with m.micro.blog and micro.blog.m
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tantek yeah
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tantek username != hostname
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gRegorLove miklb: Yeah, logs helped me figure out issues with sending wm to aaronpk and snarfed
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aaronpk hm, i see a webmention endpoint on his canonical site, https://m.micro.blog/
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tantek what doesn't Google well: micro.blog icon
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[chrisaldrich] snarfed: for receiving webmentions it would be https://m.micro.blog/ instead
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GWG miklb, look at the wp fail2ban plugin, I considered their method of logging
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tantek uh oh I see dupes
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gRegorLove I see a wm endpoint on http://tantek.micro.blog/2017/04/26/setting-up-tantekmicroblog.html too
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snarfed aaronpk chrisaldrich: thans, looks like. except the original reply i got was from https://micro.blog/m/11817 , and i haven't yet found how to map that to a m.micro.blog permalink
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Loqi [m] @snarfed Beautiful http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/ded350e5a0a84dbe387bfbfbaaf6e1d8?s=96
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tantek (in micro.blog/t showing my atom feed)
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tantek this is hilarious: "You've unlocked 3 pins. Show All"
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tantek on https://micro.blog/account
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tantek wow: https://micro.blog/account/pins
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aaronpk yeah, I think I remembered manton saying something about how replies "live" on micro.blog so I wonder if that means replies can't accept webmentions?
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snarfed maybe
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miklb GWG OK. I was thinking about adding that plugin anyway.
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snarfed evidently he wants bug reports over email, so i'm sending one
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aaronpk ah k. i was reporting in his #bugs channel :)
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[chrisaldrich] It appears there's two things going on, there's one page for the user info: http://micro.blog/m which also shows incoming RSS feeds;
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[chrisaldrich] then there's a second hosted blog with rel-me and endpoints at http://m.micro.blog, but it only shows material natively posted on micro.blog and not content from another source. In this case http://www.bupk.es/posts.html
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[chrisaldrich] snarfed: he's now also got a slack channel there for #bugs
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gRegorLove No mf2, though I'm sure that's already on their todo list
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snarfed tantek: re the pins, funny bug, i don't actually have the "Welcome" pin for registering an account. probably a bug for old snippets.today users
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Loqi [superfeedr] "IndieWeb" by Michael Runcieman on 2017-04-26 http://indieweb.org
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aaronpk ah yeah i think replies intentionally do not support receiving webmentions right now. "There is also limited support for receiving mentions from external blogs when they link to Micro.blog-hosted blogs."
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aaronpk from http://help.micro.blog/2017/indiewebcamp/
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tantek snarfed, you should get a "Classic" pin for that ;)
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aaronpk "when they link to Micro.blog-hosted blogs" being the key phrase there
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snarfed yeah. not explicit, but i assume that means subdomains
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aaronpk subdomains as well as if you map your own domain
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aaronpk snarfed: is there a reason that granary includes the location h-card of my posts inside the content of the atom feed it makes?
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snarfed aaronpk: probably not. judgment call i guess
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aaronpk i just realized that my syndicated posts are appearing with "Portland, Oregon" in them on micro.blog
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snarfed oh actually yes, so that they show up in readers
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snarfed the driving use case was readers, not auto syndication
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aaronpk ah yeah hmm
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snarfed tough tradeoff, feel free to file an issue to discuss
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aaronpk that does make sense, maybe a query string param to toggle that?
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tantek hey verifying your account should get you a pin
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tantek and a checkmark on your profile :)
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tantek and your image from your site h-card instead of gravatar
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[colinwalker] snarfed I seem to recall Manton saying that pins weren't enabled yet.
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aaronpk we'll continue the discussion on github: https://github.com/snarfed/granary/issues/104
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Loqi [aaronpk] #104 add an option to not include the location in the Atom content
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tantek gosh the micro.blog UI is so clean & simple
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[cleverdevil] It's a lovely start.
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miklb just getting people excited about using their own site is going to be a win in my book
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[cleverdevil] Definitely some work to do to integrate self-hosted sites and more IndieWeb principles, but Manton is super receptive and happy to make changes.
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[cleverdevil] Definitely, miklb.
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[cleverdevil] Once things settle out, I'll be working with Manton on making a WordPress one-click installer on DreamHost that will fully integrate with Micro.blog and hopefully the larger IndieWeb.
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miklb ?
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[colinwalker] miklb That's what really prompted me to back it in the first place
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Sharing from the #IndieWeb on Mobile (Android) with Apps and @WithKnown" by Michael Runcieman on 2017-04-26 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/sharing-from-the-indieweb-on-mobile-android-with-apps-and
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[cleverdevil] (I'll need help and advice from everyone here of course!)
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gRegorLove Is micro.blog a silo, or somewhere in-between?
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aaronpk it's more of a reader+host hybrid than a silo
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gRegorLove Adding it to /verified; wasn't sure if it should go under silo or something else.
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aaronpk you can get a subdomain on micro.blog to post to, and you can map that to your own domain, so that part is more like a host than a silo
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tantek it really is kind of like turning Twitter inside-out, with open indieweb building blocks
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aaronpk that's a great headline
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aaronpk "Micro.blog turns Twitter inside-out, with open IndieWeb building blocks"
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tantek aaronpk, feel free to use/quote that for your blog post :)
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dgold is the self-host model not available on launch?
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gRegorLove According to https://chat.indieweb.org/2017-01-14#t1484404128247000 there isn't a self-host model
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Loqi [[manton]] @Zegnat Yeah, there's some confusion about this still. The whole platform at Micro.blog is not open source, although maybe eventually it will be. You can map your own domain to a blog hosted at Micro.blog, or just run existing blogging software anywh...
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tantek what is a self-host model?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "self-host model" yet. Would you like to create it?
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[colinwalker] It's not self-host in the sense that you have an instance rather you host your own posts and they either get POSSEd or PESOSd based on where you make them
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gRegorLove Updated FAQ on /micro.blog
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gRegorLove Adjust as necessary
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miklb lol, sounds like me writing a recipe, "adjust as necessary"
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gRegorLove Haha
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Loqi nice
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gRegorLove Add seasoning to taste
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Loqi [superfeedr] "For all intents and purposes, done twiddling with my WP theme, can now start working on a public #indieweb WordPress theme. Stay tuned!" by Michael Bishop on 2017-04-26 https://miklb.com/1566-2/
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@miklb For all intents and purposes, done twiddling with my WP theme, can now start working on a public #indieweb WordPress theme. Stay tuned! (twitter.com/_/status/857326653713862656)
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[jeremycherfas] !tell miklb What's the ETA on the public version of your theme? I've just started moving a WP site to a new theme and would wait to get a glimpse of yours.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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gRegorLove GWG: Looks like at least one WordPress person is attending IWC Bellingham.
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Loqi miklb: [jeremycherfas] left you a message 2 minutes ago: What's the ETA on the public version of your theme? I've just started moving a WP site to a new theme and would wait to get a glimpse of yours.
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miklb [jeremycherfas] hard to say, but my goal is to have it in the official wp.org theme repo by IWS. But it will be open on github throughout development
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miklb [jeremycherfas] I have a fair amount of code from my personal site I intend to re-purpose, but I want to support widets and some basic theme customizations via customizer
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[manton] Just got back and catching up a little...
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[manton] Webmentions: Micro.blog does support receiving Webmentions now, in addition to sending, but it is very limited. Basically it only accepts the Webmention if it's from an existing Micro.blog user that has a verified web site, so that it can match it up with a username. I'd like to expand that.
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[manton] (Also, might be buggy.)
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[manton] tantek I definitely want to add more pins! Verifying, adding custom domains, using Microformats, etc. are all good candidates.
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tantek manton, I figured :) was emoting a bit. Great work. Seriously blown away.
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[manton] Thanks! Looking forward to improving it from here, especially the IndieWeb bits that haven't been tested with enough different sites yet.
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[manton] That actually reminds me: cleverdevil was testing Micropub and his Known is returning a "state does not match" error. Anyone have any experience with where I should look to debug that? This is the tokens endpoint. Works fine with the IndieAuth endpoint instead.
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@bengrue Indieweb: is there a collection of all of the IGS talks on maintaining happiness/sanity/productivity out there? (twitter.com/_/status/857335776425758720)
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tantek manton, good question. is that using the micro.blog iOS client to try to post to his Known site?
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[manton] tantek: Yes. I've tested it with micropub.rocks too and it works fine... Feels like something Known is being strict about that I'm missing.
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aaronpk give me a sec to test this out
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[manton] And I don't see in the docs where "state" is needed for getting tokens.
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aaronpk "state" is an OAuth 2 thing, it's mentioned here https://indieweb.org/obtaining-an-access-token#Request
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aaronpk whoa, the app just crashed
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[manton] aaronpk Yep, that's how we found the bug. I've fixed the crash but was going to wait until I fixed the posting too before doing another build.
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aaronpk oh darn, so i can't actually test this out then
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[manton] Glad you can reproduce it, though.
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aaronpk oh i wonder...
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[manton] Hmm, it didn't get far enough before crashing? In testing with Known it crashes when getting the error reply from the tokens endpoint. That's kind of where things go wrong (and weren't handled well).
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aaronpk aha yes, it's a bug in Known
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aaronpk Known is expecting you to send the state value when getting the access token. That's not actually what the state is for, although it's an easy mistake to make.
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aaronpk there shouldn't be any harm in sending it along with the code exchange, so that is an immediate path forward. I will also submit a PR to Known to remove that, but hosted Known is very far behind the latest master branch so it's unlikely it'll get launched there any time soon.
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[manton] Okay, easy enough. I'll make that change, thanks.
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tantek aaronpk would that be the kind of thing that would make sense to add to micropub.rocks ?
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aaronpk checking for the absense of that behavior? likely
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tantek so that future server implementations do not repeat that mistake?
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aaronpk tho it's a non-normative part of micropub.rocks since it's part of the indieauth flow rather than micropub specifically
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tantek that's probably still fine, then that can be indicated accordingly in any test report or summary
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tantek maybe doesn't even need to be in the summary, just individual test reports as non-normative indieauth flow
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aaronpk oh hm, i'm not sure i can actually test that on servers
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aaronpk but i can make sure clients aren't sending it
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tantek makes sense
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[manton] Except now my client _is_ sending it, to work around this problem. ?
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aaronpk heh
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aaronpk maybe i can find a way to just show a warning then
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[manton] That sounds good.
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gRegorLove !tell chrisaldrich I might be caught in WP spam https://gregorlove.com/2017/04/star-today-is-my-third/
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [gRegor Morrill] ★ http://boffosocko.com/2017/04/25/today-is-my-third-indieweb-anniversary/
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aaronpk PR filed https://github.com/idno/Known/pull/1729
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Loqi [aaronpk] #1729 don't check state parameter on token request
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@HackerEvents IndieWebCamp on Saturday 04 November 10:00 @ Contentful (Germany) https://indiewebcamp.com/2017/Berlin (twitter.com/_/status/857350779736399872)
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[cleverdevil] Good find, aaronpk
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[cleverdevil] aaronpk++
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@brucegodin RSS Feeds: A Follow up on My IndieWeb Commitment 2017 | Chris Aldrich http://boffosocko.com/2016/12/18/rss-feeds-a-follow-up-on-my-indieweb-commitment-2017/ (twitter.com/_/status/857353437301927937)
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[mko] Does someone have a micro.blog invite code? I don't seem to have the email.
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[colinwalker] It's a staggered rollout based on backer order. Emails will be going out for the rest of the week.
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Comment on RSS Feeds: A Follow up on My IndieWeb Commitment 2017 by Bruce Godin" by Bruce Godin on 2017-04-26 http://boffosocko.com/2016/12/18/rss-feeds-a-follow-up-on-my-indieweb-commitment-2017/#comment-34560
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gRegorLove Backer-only post for micro.blog: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/manton/indie-microblogging-owning-your-short-form-writing/posts/1867532
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gRegorLove More: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/manton/indie-microblogging-owning-your-short-form-writing/updates
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gRegorLove Interesting; there's JSON feeds: http://manton.micro.blog/feed.json
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[chrisaldrich] gRegorLove: hrm... it's not in spam (I'm filtering webmentions around spam). Wonder where it disappeared to?
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Loqi [chrisaldrich]: gRegorLove left you a message 37 minutes ago: I might be caught in WP spam https://gregorlove.com/2017/04/star-today-is-my-third/
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tantek very odd that id & url are dupes (maybe just use url?), and three of the posts have the same date_published of 2017-04-18T16:12:00+00:00
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tantek I wonder if that means they were written offline and then all published within the same second?
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tantek auto-published*
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gRegorLove [chrisaldrich]: Oh, nevermind, I think this is a bug on my end.
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gRegorLove Somehow my discovering is using your token_endpoint instead. I ran into something like that with snarfed.org homepage where multiple links are in the Link header, comma separated. That doesn't seem to be the case with your page though. Hm.
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aaronpk bad link rel parsing?
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[chrisaldrich] For a minute I thought that the last superfeeder comment above indicated that Dave Winer was sending webmentions from his Radio3 platform, but then I realized that it POSSEd to Twitter and backlinked from there via bridgy... ?
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gRegorLove Interesting. Bug on my end is that it's not following the 301 redirect for chrisaldrich's URL when the trailing slash is missing.
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gRegorLove And the non-trailing-slash page has a Link header with multiple rels, so that's another known bug on my end.
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gRegorLove https://github.com/gRegorLove/ProcessWire-Webmention/issues/5
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Loqi [gRegorLove] #5 Fix link header parsing with multiple values
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gRegorLove The Link: headers don't appear on the trailing-slash version of the URL though: http://boffosocko.com/2017/04/25/today-is-my-third-indieweb-anniversary/
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gRegorLove Sorry, this is kinda #indieweb-dev
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Comment on Today is My Third Indieweb Anniversary by Chris Aldrich" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-04-26 http://boffosocko.com/2017/04/25/today-is-my-third-indieweb-anniversary/#comment-34561
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[manton] cleverdevil We've got Webmention! Thanks to aaronpk for noticing the Microformats problems. https://cleverdevil.io/2017/in-the-last-10-days-ive-reported-6-accounts-for
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Loqi [Jonathan LaCour] In the last 10 days, I've reported 6 accounts for spam on Instagram. Sigh.
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aaronpk ooo
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[cleverdevil] Nice!
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[cleverdevil] manton++
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aaronpk that's awesome!
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[manton] Very excited to see this all working. Looks great on his site.
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@cleverdevil Thrilled to see the rollout of http://Micro.blog! Three cheers for the #IndieWeb. (https://cleverdevil.io/s/1N4l5) (twitter.com/_/status/857369167275732992)
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[chrisaldrich] manton Looks like all your work this week is dramatically slowing down how often you're posting status updates. #irony ?
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[manton] chrisaldrich Haha. I know.
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Loqi awesome
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[cleverdevil] The potential is *so* high here. The reality is pretty awesome, too ?
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[chrisaldrich] though I suppose the errors are more apparent when you've got 3000+ dogfooding for you
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[cleverdevil] Gonna be really great once we've got all of the interactions covered, smoothly tracking into and out of the platform to people's sites, etc.
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[kevinmarks] Those json feeds could be mf2 parsed feeds with a little bit of term convergence
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[manton] Thanks. Parsing mf2 is on the to-do list once everything else settles down.
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[kevinmarks] Hm, no mf2 on the home page
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[kevinmarks] http://www.unmung.com/mf2?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmanton.micro.blog&html=&pretty=on
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[kevinmarks] The atom parses ok http://www.unmung.com/feed?feed=http%3A%2F%2Fmanton.micro.blog%2Ffeed.xml
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[kevinmarks] Hm, is that link double escaped
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[manton] Looks like some themes are missing mf2, you're right. I'll get that consistent. (Most of the themes should have it, but I'll check.)
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[kevinmarks] Oh, rss, not atom. That explains the random html escaping
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[chrisaldrich] Does anyone have a rough number of how many indieweb sites there are in existence as of early Monday this week?
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gRegorLove snarfed's been looking for stats like that, might have some (not sure if that recent)
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snarfed we tentatively defined indieweb as mf2 and/or webmention endpoint and/or micropub endpoint. based on that, i estimate order of 10k.
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[kevinmarks] Validator.w3.org is grumping about charset http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=manton.micro.blog%2Ffeed.xml&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0
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[kevinmarks] Rss--
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[chrisaldrich] so this week will add roughly another third to that number?
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[manton] Probably will end up being fewer, since some Micro.blog users are registering but not setting up a site yet or posting anything. Hopefully a bunch, though.
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[chrisaldrich] I suspect the larger percentage of the 10k to be Known installs?
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snarfed yeah, vast majority of indieweb seems to be known or wordpress.
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snarfed and again, 10k is a very very approximate order of magnitude estimate. not a count. :P
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snarfed (i expect the actual number is a bit lower)
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[chrisaldrich] reminds himself to add micro.blog to the list of projects and /getting_started wiki docs since manton has enough on his plate this week.
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[kevinmarks] Hm, probably I should check more carefully in unmung that I'm using the rss content type guessing for description https://pythonhosted.org/feedparser/reference-feed-subtitle_detail.html#reference-feed-subtitle-detail
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[chrisaldrich] snarfed: I saw the number of significant digits in your response and took it the right way.... ?
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snarfed heh, i figured. you're a mathematician. :P disclaimer was just as much for the logs
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[kevinmarks] So if we get mastodon to support micropub we can grow that count as they have mf2 already?
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[kevinmarks] manton, what do you use the json feed for, and how did you pick the field names?
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@kindlingcollect We will be co-hosting the Indie WebCamp Bellingham May 4th & 5th. Free admission, RSVP & find out more @ https://2017.indieweb.org/bellingham (twitter.com/_/status/857376833586712576)
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[manton] kevinmarks Currently the JSON is mostly used in the custom API, but it's mirrored in the hosted site files as well to go along with the RSS feeds. I don't actually read the feeds yet, although I think eventually I will. (Similar to reading h-feeds as an option if they're there.)
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[kevinmarks] if you control the field names, using the h-feed ones might be clearer
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[kevinmarks] json for feeds is tricky. feedparser has one set of names; as1 has another; gData does it in a bonkers way
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[kevinmarks] feedparsers version is at the bottom of this: http://www.unmung.com/feed?feed=http%3A%2F%2Fmanton.micro.blog%2Ffeed.xml&raw=on
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[kevinmarks] if I parse the mf2 I turned your RSS into I get http://www.unmung.com/mf2?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.unmung.com%2Ffeed%3Ffeed%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fmanton.micro.blog%252Ffeed.xml&html=&pretty=on
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[kevinmarks] which is not too far from your json feed, though the mf2 thing of everything being a list masks it a bit
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[kevinmarks] it's even closer to the jf2 version http://www.unmung.com/mf2tojs2?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.unmung.com%2Fmf2%3Furl%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.unmung.com%252Ffeed%253Ffeed%253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fmanton.micro.blog%25252Ffeed.xml%26html%3D%26pretty%3Don&pretty=on
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[manton] Interesting, thanks for the links! aaronpk had a similar comment recently too in the context of Microsub. This JSON came out of a discussion with some other developers and I kind of jumped the gun a little linking it up in Micro.blog. I wanted a place to experiment and test it out in the real world, though.
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[manton] Is the feedparsers format described anywhere? I've seen the jf2 spec.
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[kevinmarks] https://pythonhosted.org/feedparser/ is pretty thorough
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[kevinmarks] the thing that makes it a bit complicated is that it maps both the atom and the rss terms