#indieweb 2017-07-18

2017-07-18 UTC
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TheGillies aaronpk: what if I had an endpoint that signed current time with my private key in an endpoint. Would that be enough to show I owned key for indieauth?
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aaronpk are you trying to find another way to authenticate as a domain name?
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TheGillies Like domain.example/signed-timestamp
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TheGillies aaronpk: yeah. Because there aren't enough already :p
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TheGillies I really just want zero click auth because I'm lazy
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aaronpk you can do that if you have your own indieauth authorization endpoint
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aaronpk cause you get to decide how to authenticate at it however you want, like setting a super long lived cookie
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TheGillies I do but only because I forked it to make a pr heh
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aaronpk i mean one that speaks the indieauth protocol, not necessarily indieauth.com
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aaronpk if that's the only thing indieauth.com finds on your website then it'll redirect to it immediately instead of prompting you
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aaronpk https://indieweb.org/authorization-endpoint
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[miklb] woohoo. Posting to my standalone WP site with micro.blog iOS app using micropub.
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Ruxton woot
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TheGillies tempted to register village.bicycle and have it point to an auth endpoint that returns true for everyone
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[miklb] now just need support for syndicate-to in micropub.
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[miklb] in the iOS app I mean.
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Loqi [superfeedr] "New WPMUDev Post: Webmention and Annotation Standards" by Mike McCallister on 2017-07-18 https://medium.com/@workingwriter/new-wpmudev-post-webmention-and-annotation-standards-8690c2156b04?source=rss------wordpress-5
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@miklb If you’ve been wanting to checkout https://micro.blog I have a few invites. Hit me up, go #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/887140471692308486)
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aaronpk TheGillies: cweiske beat you to it :P https://indieweb.org/commentpara.de
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TheGillies great minds...
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TheGillies woah found an article from 2004 talking about rel=pgpkey
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Ruxton yeap
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Zegnat TheGillies you can also take selfauth and remove the password check. It doesn't do a while lot more than creating an hmac for an expiry timestamp
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Reflections on Two Years of #Indieweb" by Jeremy Cherfas on 2017-07-13 https://kongaloosh.com/e/2017/6/22/hello-world
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@TraceyTodhunter Back from 2 week internet break & noticing new visits to my blog via this nice mention from @ricmac https://richardmacmanus.com/2017/06/22/openness-rivers-indieweb/ (twitter.com/_/status/887223762504089600)
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@sl007 @sixtus Kommst Du zu https://indieweb.org/2017/Dortmund ? beim CAMPFIRE Festival für Journalismus ? Wir könnten ein microforma… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/887235965479268354 (twitter.com/_/status/887235965479268354)
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sl007 Hello everybody.
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Loqi sl007: Zegnat left you a message 13 hours, 37 minutes ago: I threw some ideas and comments in GitHub issues for the flyers. Really nice work though!
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Zegnat Good morning sl007
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jeremycherfas Good morning Indieweb
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sebsel good morning :)
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[pfefferle] good morning
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@DanielGenser SoundCloud's apparent demise, alternatives, and a possible #indieweb approach? (twitter.com/_/status/887259432324878336)
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@DanielGenser SoundCloud alternatives, audio files, and the #indieweb http://mhits.me/t/Kc (twitter.com/_/status/887259532874919936)
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@DanielGenser @thetwopct Oops, looks like my post got double-posted, once without a link: http://myhomeisthesea.com/indieweb-audio/ (twitter.com/_/status/887261856741675008)
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@martijnvdven @DanielGenser There is even an #indieweb Micropub client by @schmarty for publishing audio with metadata to your si… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/887263666965553152 (twitter.com/_/status/887263666965553152)
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@sl007 #Workshop https://indieweb.org/2017/Dortmund ? beim CAMPFIRE Festival für Journalismus. @journocode @Remrow @transformag @fabianweiss @LuigiRappallo (twitter.com/_/status/887286292517707776)
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@sl007 @voxpelli btw : How about https://indieweb.org/2017/Dortmund ? CAMPFIRE - Festival for journalism and you ? (twitter.com/_/status/887295762337603586)
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prtksxna Zegnat: How about http://prtksxna.com/2017/07/18/kinlane-phone/, need to style the blockquotes better, but is the markup ok?
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Zegnat !mf2 http://prtksxna.com/2017/07/18/kinlane-phone/
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Kaja https://php.microformats.io/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fprtksxna.com%2F2017%2F07%2F18%2Fkinlane-phone%2F
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Zegnat Looks like you marked up that page as an h-feed, and not just an h-entry. That will probably trip up consumers of the microformats.
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Zegnat Why do you have an h-entry nested within your h-entry?
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prtksxna Zegnat: Stupid mistake. Thanks for that tool.
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Zegnat https://microformats.io/ will let you test parser output for several programming languages, it is a great thing to have at hand :)
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Loqi Microformats
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prtksxna Zegnat++
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Loqi zegnat has 72 karma in this channel (117 overall)
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@voxpelli @sl007 Tempting, would combine my day job with my indieweb efforts quite well :) Will give it a thought, not sure i… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/887307957368754177 (twitter.com/_/status/887307957368754177)
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voxpelli Well this was rather neat: https://twitter.com/Paul_Kinlan/status/887282224973971462
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@Paul_Kinlan Thought I would noodle about with pubsubhubbub -> web push. Wanted to get http://medium.com updates via push https://rss-to-web-push.glitch.me (twitter.com/_/status/887282224973971462)
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voxpelli Also: I maybe should find myself a new hobby project now
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voxpelli was working on exactly the same thing
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@adactioLinks Reflections on Two Years of Indieweb https://kongaloosh.com/e/2017/6/22/hello-world (twitter.com/_/status/887314338729652225)
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[shanehudson] That indieweb stuff is so cool
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Repost of Audio, SoundCloud, and the Indieweb" by Ricardo Mendes on 2017-07-18 https://www.rmendes.net/2017/repost-of-audio-soundcloud-and-the-indieweb-b1b93424be
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Liked Audio, SoundCloud, and the Indieweb" by Ricardo Mendes on 2017-07-18 https://www.rmendes.net/2017/liked-audio-soundcloud-and-the-indieweb-b1b93424be
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Audio, SoundCloud, and the Indieweb" by Ricardo Mendes on 2017-07-18 http://myhomeisthesea.com/indieweb-audio/
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prtksxna Zegnat: Fixed! https://php.microformats.io/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fprtksxna.com%2F2017%2F07%2F18%2Fkinlane-phone%2F
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prtksxna Still no https://indieweb.org/quotation, not sure how post type discovery would handle it. Internally I have it categorized as both quote and bookmark
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tantek prtksxna: in experience, depends on the specific post
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tantek quotation and bookmark have a lot of conceptual overlap, so you have to look at specific examples to distinguish
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prtksxna tantek: But what if you want them to be interpreted as both?
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tantek why?
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prtksxna Or is that not a thing in AS?
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tantek AS is plumbing
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tantek not UI
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tantek prtksxna: what is your use-case?
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prtksxna tantek: Because I keep bookmarks (as an alternative to Pocket), and quotations for myself to refer to later, they could be from web pages or books
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tantek that makes sense for both posts
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tantek my point was what is your use-case for interpreting something as both (your what if)
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prtksxna tantek: Both posts? Not sure what you mean. http://prtksxna.com/2017/07/18/kinlane-phone/
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Loqi July 18, 2017 at 6:25 pm Not having a phone made me realize how much you need a phone number to exist online these days. I a...
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tantek heh - related to that: http://tantek.com/2014/006/t2/ipod-wifi-mifi-works-iamnotanumber-nophone-future
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] 2014: left phone at home every day. iPod+wifi/mifi works. delete x-5278 #. #iamnotanumber #nophone #future Exception: I may start bringing my #FirefoxOS test phone with me for dogfooding, but I'm still not going to share or use the number. How to ...
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tantek and http://tantek.com/2015/009/t2/never-buy-phone-nophone-future
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] “Never Buy A Phone Again” says @WIRED wired.com/2015/01/phones-are-tablets/ #NoPhone #Future I started 1 yr ago tantek.com/2014/006/t2/ipod-wifi-mifi-works-iamnotanumber-nophone-future
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petermolnar yes, kill the phone, kill talking, it's enough to scroll and like!
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[chrisaldrich] prtksxna I always come down to thinking about how it should look/be displayed on my site as a guideline.
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[chrisaldrich] then on the back end I'll typically tag/categorize it as both
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[chrisaldrich] Either way it lives in my online /commonplace_book
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aaronpk just found another great use case for the "audio" property... adding audio from presentations!
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sebsel This that the first h-event with u-audio? :)
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sebsel !mf2 https://aaronparecki.com/2012/06/26/5/from-oauth-to-indieauth-own-your-online-identity
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Kaja https://php.microformats.io/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faaronparecki.com%2F2012%2F06%2F26%2F5%2Ffrom-oauth-to-indieauth-own-your-online-identity
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Loqi From OAuth to IndieAuth: Own your online identity
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prtksxna nods at [chrisaldrich]
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aaronpk downloads audio from his past osbridge talks
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prtksxna Just stumbled upon https://www.standu.ps/. Interesting.
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aaronpk hah i love that everything is public
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aaronpk i made something like that but it's all private since companies use it for not-public stuff https://squashreports.com
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prtksxna aaronpk: Neat
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prtksxna And here we were, doing it manually :/ https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Reading/Multimedia/Standup_notes/2016/November
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tantek has anyone else noticed more weird replies on Twitter?
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tantek e.g. see the @-replies here: https://twitter.com/t/status/887145302246993920
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@t ? Monday morning with @Nov_Project_SF. #NPSF #sunrise #SanFrancisco #summer #nofilter (http://tantek.com/2017/198/t1/monday-morning-sunrise) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DE_F8z1UQAEXGx0.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/887145302246993920)
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bignose tantek: that seems explicable because of the easy-to-fumble-type handle “t”.
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aaronpk those are in reply to that specific tweet tho
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KartikPrabhu bots be botting
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tantek and there's no way to "Report nonsense" or "Report useless bot" to Twitter
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aaronpk whoops, reported that account
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bignose but does Twitter deduce that from the content of the post? I Can easily imagine a scenario of (1) message appears from handle “t”, (2) someone mashes buttons and posts containing “@t”
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bignose if those happen in quick succession, would Twitter assume the second is a reply to the first?
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tantek bignose - you have to click reply to actually reply to a specific tweet
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KartikPrabhu that would count as spam in my books
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aaronpk bignose: reply threading on twitter is explicit
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aaronpk also wow twitter's 'this tweet may contain sensitive material' is all backwards
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tantek and they don't have a reporting function for that either
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tantek wonders where in the ecosystem to block things like this when using services
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voxpelli wants someone to publish a private block list that he can have them with to share to his service so that he can block the stuff in that list
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voxpelli s/with/auth/
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tantek voxpelli: I have a block list on Twitter. Can you use Twitter-auth to sign-in and go get it?
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voxpelli tantek: Not sure, probably, but I would then want to translate it to a microformat block list and consume that
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tantek that makes sense
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sebsel I just found http://glenn.thedixons.net/blog/adventures-with-indieweb which mentions my kirby-webmentions plugin (on Github, so no webmention for me) and when I replied with a webmention it 400s, so I guess my plugin needs some work still ?
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Loqi [dixonge] Adventures With IndieWeb
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voxpelli Interesting use cases – so one wants to be able to block an author, an individual post and maybe also an entire source domain?
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tantek voxpelli: yes. an individual post is like "delete comment" something you can do on nearly all social media (you can delete others's comments on your stuff)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Socialwg/2017-07-18-minutes" by Benthatmustbeme on 2017-07-18 https://www.w3.org/wiki/index.php?title=Socialwg/2017-07-18-minutes&diff=103823&oldid=0
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aaronpk !
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tantek uh. just realized that was not in the channel I expected it
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Loqi [superfeedr] "I've got some invite codes for anyone who'd like to try out micro.blog, a new social media site that supports #indieweb principles." by Chris Aldrich on 2017-07-18 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/ive-got-some-invite-codes-for-anyone-whod-like-to
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@WiseHeroes Biggest Misconception About Building An #App by Blurr #CoFounder Daniel Korman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXij74Qgmds&list=UUVB7gMFIBbMk8ZSSMcBTgLQ #appdev #indiedev #indieweb #startup (twitter.com/_/status/887449833593688065)
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