#indieweb 2017-09-15
2017-09-15 UTC
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-09-15.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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@sprp77 https://brid.gy/ Bridgy is awesome!!! #indieweb @schnarfed @kylewmahan #awesome #OpenSource (twitter.com/_/status/908545203237031936)
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waynr aaronpk: yo i actually published my blag post https://waynr.net/posts/2017/Sep/15/flask-lambda-testing-with-pytest-intro/
# waynr thanks for the encouragement!
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@sebastiangreger Thu 21.9. 19:00: 14th #Indieweb Homebrew Website Club Berlin; come build the future open web with us (new location!) http://sebastiangreger.net/2017/09/homebrew-website-club-berlin-2017-09-21/ (twitter.com/_/status/908623148161134592)
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb and sknebel
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sl007 keep in mind: Don't call it a bug, call it a feature – and so Google wanted to "make the g+1 button load more quickly" http://blogpros.com/blog/2017/09/google-plus-removes-share
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# vivus so I got the h-card-service running. it was pretty anti-climax
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# vivus the generator is pretty slim and outputs very little. no work info, etc.
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Zegnat !mf2 http://tantek.com/
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# vivus there's no proper format/layout available on the wiki or somewhere else?
# vivus in production-use, it seems that maybe hCard would make more sense? based on the resources available for it?
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# [shurcool] hello indieweb friends. I have a general question to get an idea about something
# [shurcool] I know many people here avoid some silos and decide to host their own data, e.g., their blog posts, messages that are sent as tweets, etc.
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# [shurcool] I'm curious, how many/how common is it go as far as hosting your own git repos rather than using, e.g., github?
# vivus [shurcool]: that becomes a matter of principle. a lot of people reason that using github is fine, but github is not open source itself
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# [shurcool] to be clear, I like github as a product, it's great. I use it. but I think hosting git repos on one one's site (if done well) can be _even cooler_ and I'm curious how many have tried to do that
# [shurcool] is it a pretty small amount of people?
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# [shurcool] I see, cool, thanks ?
# [shurcool] I wouldn't completely say I'm doing it already, but I'm starting to/working on it pretty actively right now. it feels super cool. but I have lots to do before the user experience is not compromised compared to a repo being on github.
# vivus [shurcool]: there was a project (p2p based) where git repos were hosted in this shared-p2p-hosting structure. I forgot its name. I think #scuttlebutt
# vivus Zegnat: the lack of resources for h-card makes it difficult for me to implement my social-network
# [shurcool] I already have an indieweb-compatible issue tracker that's good enough to cover most use cases. what I need to build next is a code review tool (ala Gerrit or GitHub's pull requests) so it's possible to contribute. first step, only I will be able to git push, but obviously I want to eventually make it as open as on github. then I can start to put more repos on my own site rather than on github.
# vivus [shurcool]: I would meet halfway and use something like gitlab. Unless your goal is for decentralization and not Open Source
# [shurcool] that's a reasonable suggestion, but I don't want to use an off-the-shelf git host, I want to build my own and do some custom things with it (after the basic functionality is there).
# [shurcool] things you can't do on a generic git host
# Zegnat Good example of https://indieweb.org/selfdogfood there :D
# [shurcool] yep ?
# [shurcool] if anyone's curious, this is the repo. it's a Go package with a vanity import path, on my personal site. the git repo has the same https:// clone url.
# [shurcool] https://dmitri.shuralyov.com/kebabcase
# Zegnat vivus: I am not sure what resources you mean. h-card is just a way of adding semantics to HTML and making it easier to parse for information. If you already have HTML pages for people, and you are adding h-card, and then parse that on a different end, you are making full use of what is there in microformats. If you are missing a property, introduce
# [shurcool] it's a really small package I pretty much specifically created to start testing this. all of my real code is still on github (as can be seen at https://dmitri.shuralyov.com/packages)
# vivus [shurcool]: why not host gitea then?
# [shurcool] @vivus: see above:
# [shurcool] > I don't want to use an off-the-shelf git host, I want to build my own and do some custom things with it
# vivus oh. missed that part. well I don't want to make this seem rude, but have you heard of NIH? Unless your goal is to learn, this may be a waste of your valuable time to do
# [shurcool] I am familiar with NIH. my goal is to build something that doesn't exist that I want to exist. the git hosting is a small component of that
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# [shurcool] thanks ?
# [shurcool] my next step is to add support for git pushing, and parse the events so they'll appear on the activity stream at https://dmitri.shuralyov.com/ (e.g., when I push new commits to it, create/delete branch, etc.)
# vivus well if you're doing it, I admire you. dealing with git can be daunting at times
# [shurcool] thanks. it's a fun challenge. but it's also not as hard as I initially thought it'd be. I'm using the `git` binaries and just shelling out to them to implement the (pretty simple) git transport protocol. it was 85~ loc just for git fetch support. git push is another 75 + some code to do auth
# [shurcool] (https://github.com/shurcooL/home/commit/77ba7a66b4c86b01e4b2c1dd6d9fab7feca76d23 if you wanna see the code)
# vivus [shurcool]: have you seen the language called: #nim ?
# [shurcool] formely nimrod?
# [shurcool] I've seen/heard of it briefly, I knew someone who was really into it. why?
# vivus [shurcool]: I see you are using Go, just thought I'd mention an alternative to that language :)
# [shurcool] nim seems quite cool (although it's not very clear to me who's sponsoring it, working on it, using it in production). If I weren't already very satisfied with Go, I'd be considering it closely ?
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# Zegnat Aah, another problem with online identities not being one entity in perpetuity : https://torrentfreak.com/metalkettle-after-github-takeover-170915/
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# Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-09-15.html
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[cleverdevil] :sad-trombone:
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[kevinmarks] gillmor gang time
# [cleverdevil] It was a fun event, though! I think we lured a few people to get involved with HWC.
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# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "+1" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek +1 is /%2B1_Button
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# Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-09-15.html
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# tantek I noticed the /Twitter page had no "Why" section so I decided to search for it on Twitter and oh my goodness some of these are gold https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=%22why%20am%20I%20using%20twitter%22
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# Loqi [indienews] New post: "? Eddie saved http://www.manton.org/2017/09/tomorrow-matters.html for later
Sep 14, 2017 11:51 PM
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Syndicated:" http://www.manton.org/2017/09/tomorrow-matters.html (from https://eddiehinkle.com/2017/09/14/12/note/)
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# tantek longevity << 2017-09-14
{{manton}} [http://www.manton.org/2017/09/tomorrow-matters.html Tomorrow matters]# Loqi ok, I added "2017-09-14
{{manton}} [http://www.manton.org/2017/09/tomorrow-matters.html Tomorrow matters]" to the "See Also" section of /longevityeli_oat, KevinMarks and KevinMarks_ joined the channel