#indiewebcamp 2012-05-07

2012-05-07 UTC
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tantek
aaronpk - wow that sounds very similar to the existing spot (main room + 3 conference rooms). how's the location? walkable to local cafes / bars / restaurants for both grabbing snacks/espresso and unwinding afterwards?
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aaronpk
yea! It's right downtown by the waterfront, lots of stuff nearby.
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tantek
is g.co a shortener for Google Maps?
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tantek
or rather google?
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tantek
and I'm assuming that 4mygy is some opaque ID in a database
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aaronpk
tantek: I clicked the "short link" on google maps, and that's what I got.
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aaronpk
I think they used to use goo.gl for that
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tantek
wonders how much g.co cost
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reidab
aaronpk: does the indieauth prompt on indiewebcamp.org really only work with the root of a domain?
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aaronpk
reidab: I think I may have made that assumption, yes
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reidab
grumble. okay.
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reidab
I will edit my html… :P
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aaronpk
i'm curious what your use cases is for having it not at the root?
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aaronpk
oh, your profile links are not on the root of your domain?
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reidab
right
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reidab
they're at reidab.com/profile
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reidab
but I can edit things to make it work
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aaronpk
k cool. you can hide them with css if you want
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singpolyma
you can just link to your profile page from your root
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tantek
reidab - try tantek.com/relmeauth to see if that works with your domain as is
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tantek
I believe I coded one level deep of rel-me references into your own site
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tantek
so for people who have their other profiles on a "contact" page for example
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aaronpk
tantek: does that assume example.com/contact and example.com/ are the same person?
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tantek
aaronpk - no, it doesn't assume that, it *allows* for it if there's a rel-me from the root to the sub page
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tantek
let me provide docs
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tantek
and adactio.com is a real world live example (which has been tested with RelMeAuth, e.g. the prototype at http://tantek.com/relmeauth, and works great)
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tantek
reidab - is that similar to your setup
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tantek
this was/is a common enough use case (contact/other profiles linked *from* home page rather than on it)
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aaronpk
ok, so that's a bit of crawling then, right? enter adactio.com, finds rel=me to 'contact' and 'journal' and checks both for more rel=me links?
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tantek
that we decided to make it work
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tantek
right, the relmeauth library explicitly allows for crawling rel-me links 1-deep inside a site
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aaronpk
does it require that it's on the same domain, or will it crawl 1-level deep on other domains? i.e. if tantek.com/ links to ttk.me/, would it scan ttk.me/ for more rel=me links?
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tantek
the use cases were on the same domain, so that's what we coded for
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tantek
no need to prematurely generalize code outside of known use cases
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tantek
and especially with anything security/identity related
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aaronpk
ok, so it's explicitly checking same-domain links then?
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tantek
same-domain rel-me links
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tantek
any such overgeneralization is a broadening of attack surface
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aaronpk
yea, definitely
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tantek
so the home page or contact page use-cases are the only ones we've found in any kind of wide use for indieweb sites
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tantek
and it's a nice simple thing to express, so that also makes it better from a security perspective
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aaronpk
makes sense
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aaronpk
i'll make a note to add support for that to indieauth.com
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tantek
so those are the two choices you get for relmeauth
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tantek
which is more restrictive than rel-me in general, but that's ok because auth is important to be restrictive about
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tantek
more restrictive = more testable etc.
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tantek
welcome daviddemello
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daviddemello
thanks
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tantek
is working on indieweb citation conventions (as part of updating the citation UI on Falcon permalink pages)
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tantek
wow, APA citation guidelines for tweets (thus indieweb "notes") include quoting the entire tweet in the citation! http://blog.apastyle.org/apastyle/2009/10/how-to-cite-twitter-and-facebook-part-ii.html
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tantek
This is your brain (shows an egg). This is your brain on content taxonomies ( http://blog.apastyle.org/apastyle/2010/11/how-to-cite-something-you-found-on-a-website-in-apa-style.html ) Any questions?
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tantek
fellow indieweb folks, I've extracted the APA conventions for citing a note (tweet) or article (blog post) and documented them here: http://microformats.org/wiki/citation-formats#APA_permalink
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tantek
going to try documenting a few other citation styles to see if there are common patterns that we can extract for re-use as indieweb citation conventions.
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