#indiewebcamp 2012-12-09
2012-12-09 UTC
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brennannovak barnabywalters: howdi good sir!
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barnabywalters hey brennannovak, how was iceland?
# brennannovak Iceland was pretty darn neat! I highly suggest visiting someday. In fact I'm actually hoping to move there
# barnabywalters oh, cool. There’s a chance I might be interning there with brian suda sometime next year
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# brennannovak Yah, awesome! I made friends with him and may work for him, if I move. He told me he met you at Dconstruct
# barnabywalters briefly, yep. lots of cool discussion was had between him, jeremy keith and myself about abusing custom fonts into displaying text as musical notation!
# brennannovak Oh really? Neat. I know he's working on some tool turn icons into fonts
# brennannovak That would be super sweet if we were both there next year!
# barnabywalters yep, he’s done some amazing stuff to, for example, use ligatures to turn a percentage into a battery icon with that fullness. Musical notation is quite a lot more tricky, but *might* be doable
# barnabywalters yeah, it’d be great if we were both there next year!
# brennannovak would that be in the fall of 2013 you are thinking?
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# barnabywalters I’m not really sure yet. We were talking about it just after dConstruct, then he went travelling, so there was a break in communication. If I’m right and fall == autumn, then yes :)
# brennannovak Awesome! That's when I'm hoping to attend school / work part time there
# brennannovak So, i'm finally getting back to some IndieWeb / SocialIgniter stuff- I'm curious how you and aaronpk: are doing the "Also posted on" on your sites
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# barnabywalters well I am doing it two ways, differently for twitter and facebook…
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# barnabywalters for twitter, I am using the API to post a truncated version of my content to twitter automatically, and then the response JSON gives me the URL
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# barnabywalters facebook’s API is horrible and I don’t always want to syndicate there anyway, as most of my friends are music friends and I mainly post web stuff
# brennannovak Twitter gives back the ID not the finished URL tho, yes?
# barnabywalters they give you the id and the username, from which it’s easy to construct a URL
# brennannovak Yah, most of your posts only say "On Twitter" but I remember you used to push into Fbook
# barnabywalters the code for my syndicator is here: https://github.com/barnabywalters/php-helpers/blob/master/BarnabyWalters/Posse/EventListener/TwitterSyndicator.php
# barnabywalters I do still push to FB sometimes, but I do it manually using one of their dialog boxes and a callback URL which constructs a URL from the post id
# brennannovak Yah, the Twitter URL is quite simple to construct- I'm trying to create a scalable way to store / retrieve differing URL structures
# barnabywalters I am going to write a post about exactly how I do it as it took me some time to figure out
# brennannovak Ah, cool cakes
# barnabywalters I started off storing both the URLs of copies and their domain-specific IDs
# barnabywalters now I don’t bother, and just construct URLs
# barnabywalters I did dump a little bit of the info, and some of the URLs on http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE though
# brennannovak That is the solution I'm leaning towards- but trying to do some relational DB join magic, just the trick being writing the lib to properly thread it all together
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# brennannovak who spearheaded the POSSE implementation?
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# brennannovak @t ?
# barnabywalters we’ve all been making our own
# barnabywalters I was using a client library, but ended up just using Guzzle — one less dependency to manage, as I use Guzzle elsewhere
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# brennannovak interesting
# brennannovak what PHP framework (or lack thereof) are you getting busy with these days?
# barnabywalters right now I am using the Symfony components to roll my own. Using them has taught me loads about software development
# brennannovak beyond Guzzle, that is
# brennannovak Have you played with Laravel at all?
# barnabywalters I’ve heard of it, not played with it
# barnabywalters looks it up
# brennannovak it's supposed to be one of the hot new things
# barnabywalters actually one interesting framework I came across recently is phpalcon
# barnabywalters it’s like the symfony components, but written as C extensions, so blazingly fast
# barnabywalters problem is, it ties your code to environments where you can control which extensions are installed :/
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# brennannovak ah, yah that negates many of my reasons for using PHP at all
# barnabywalters what would be great would be if someone made a C version of something which *already exists*, so it could be dropped in as required
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# brennannovak heh
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# barnabywalters so laravel looks like a nice enough framework
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# barnabywalters personally I prefer packages which use composer for dependency management and autoloading, as that fixes a lot of what is wrong with "old" PHP
# barnabywalters it looks like laravel can use composer, and is including more support for it in the next version though
# brennannovak So you've been using composer?
# brennannovak I've been meaning to use it- sounds like a dream come true
# barnabywalters yep, looks like laravel 4 is doing what symfony 2 did and is splitting into standalong components. Yay! this is very good for the community
# barnabywalters yep, I am a convert
# barnabywalters all of the PHP I share on github is in composer packages
# barnabywalters it is a great tool. I find it to be better than python’s package management and on a par with node.js, not that I’ve used npm much
# brennannovak Awesome!
# brennannovak Methinks I need to check that out- stat
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# brennannovak barnabywalters: so you've pretty much abandoned working with CodeIgniter yes?
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# barnabywalters brennannovak: pretty much. I have a certain fondness for it as it was the first PHP framework I used, but I find it constrictive
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# brennannovak what was the biggest restriction which annoyed you?
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# barnabywalters it’s a mixture of things, but the biggest thing is the overuse of a global $this (which has namespace pollution issues) and overuse of $this->load to create instances of libraries
# brennannovak lol, I was *just* typing $this->load->model and $this->load->library and thought- that's kinda annoying
# barnabywalters yeah, what’s wrong with new XLibrary?! I never really understood what the advantage of using the global $this
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# brennannovak Hrm, my guess is- it harkened back from PHP4.* days when things weren't truly object oriented
# barnabywalters that’s probably it. The current version of CodeIgniter is very much a procedural framework
# barnabywalters CI sparks is not a bad package management system, but it perpetuates framework-specific code :/
# brennannovak right- the seemingly wide adoption of Composer is making me think might be time to jump CI ship
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# barnabywalters have you read Fabien Potencier’s roll-your-own-framework series?
# barnabywalters I found it hugely informative
# barnabywalters off to eat tea now. great to catch up :) bye for the mo
# brennannovak cheers
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aaronpk just launched a new URL scheme on my site http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2012/12/06/20-paris Post about it forthcoming
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