#indiewebcamp 2012-12-27

2012-12-27 UTC
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tantek lol
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tantek maybe create a test fb account
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aaronpk oh yea I have one
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aaronpk meh too much trouble
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tommorris it would be spectacularly useful if APIs like Twitter (and FB) would let you set them into "test" mode, which would let you call them, and they'd do everything they actually do, but don't actually publish the data to your feed for real. put a big marker next to the posts that says "FAKE POST" or something.
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tommorris that way you could bollocks things up without annoying hundreds or thousands of people.
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aaronpk when I connected FB I could have checked the "only visible to me" option for the twitter posts
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tommorris I know MediaWiki API has the ability to do that. there's some parameter you can pass which basically is like a "dry run" mode. so you can test out complicated stuff and it returns everything it should do, but doesn't actually write the result to the DB
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aaronpk cool. changed IFTTT to be only visible to me when it posts.
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tommorris I've written a Wikipedia bot that requires on some asynchronous queue processing (it's downloading articles for processing while other things are uploading) etc. and being able to dry run it i suseful.
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tommorris s/requires/relies/
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Loqi tommorris meant to say: I've written a Wikipedia bot that relies on some asynchronous queue processing (it's downloading articles for processing while other things are uploading) etc. and being able to dry run it i suseful.
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tantek.com edited /Facebook (+13) "User:Adactio.com" (view diff)
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tommorris.org edited /Facebook (+233) "/* Facebook API */ adding how to do so" (view diff)
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tommorris.org edited /Facebook (+6) "/* Facebook API */ should specify language" (view diff)
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tommorris.org edited /Facebook (+69) "/* from Twitter */ +1" (view diff)
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aaronpk really enjoys getting tantek's posts via PuSH
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tantek heh - really got to find a way to stage posts without PuSH
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tantek that was a test post to @falcontest
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tantek I've got a bug with overescaping ampersands
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aaronpk also the twitter username code managed to get A-Q. is that because the max length of a twitter username is 20 chars?
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tantek I guess?
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tantek yeah
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tantek every once in a while I post something that reveals bugs in my code and then I have to fix them
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tantek ok I think this is because Twitter changed their handling of & in the API since I last touched this code (years ago?)
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tantek ah apparently that's been a longstanding bug in my Falcon queue - discovered it this past April: http://twitter.com/t/status/196029984094162945
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@t proposals accepted! speaking @osbridge on #webactions http://t.co/5yzpE6An &amp
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Loqi #indieweb http://t.co/bl1a1eWv #osbridge (ttk.me t4Hc2)
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tantek heh - and Loqi has an overescaping bug as well!
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tantek :D
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tommorris really needs to find an excuse to visit Portland and revisit SFO.
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tantek refers to http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2008/10/29/1/automatically-linking-twitter-usernames-in-php
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aaronpk oldie but goodie
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aaronpk hm I see room for improvement
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tantek right now I'm using just this for matching twitter @-references:
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tantek (?:\\@[_a-zA-Z0-9]{1,17})
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tommorris plans epic LHR → PDX → SFO → LHR trip.
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aaronpk I'd add a negative lookbehind http://www.regular-expressions.info/lookaround.html#lookbehind
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tommorris I really wish regexes were properly specced out, such that you could take a regex, compile it, get back a consistent parse tree, and then test that parse tree against implementations to see which features are implemented.
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aaronpk hm well this is an interesting problem http://rubular.com/r/HEkLRWKf7P
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tommorris shouldn't the negative lookbehind be checking for any non-space characters?
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tommorris try ((?<![^\s])\@[_a-zA-Z0-9]{1,17}) instead
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aaronpk this one's pretty good http://rubular.com/r/NeiN8LMIhf
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aaronpk yea the negative version works well too http://rubular.com/r/rPC2YiR5UT
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tommorris negative lookbehind for non-space character should work
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aaronpk rubular is like my favorite site ever
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tantek wow that's pretty cool
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tantek hmm - so which is better in terms of performance?
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tantek ((?:^|(?<=\s))\@[_a-zA-Z0-9]{1,17}) or ((?<![^\s])\@[_a-zA-Z0-9]{1,17}) ?
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tantek or more compatible?
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aaronpk not sure, there aren't any mentions of performance on that site
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tantek I think I better understand the former
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tantek so I'm going to try that
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aaronpk I think they would both be about the same for compatibility, because they're both lookbehinds, the difference is positive vs negative
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aaronpk tommorris' might be faster because there is one less component
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tantek aaronpk - odd, I'm getting a JS syntax error with that regex
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tommorris now that Node exists, I'm so tempted to make a regex tester that lets you put a regex and some sample strings in and it tests them using the regex engines in Perl, Ruby, Python, JavaScript, Java and .NET.
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tantek with both of those actuall
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tantek y
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tantek SyntaxError: invalid quantifier
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tantek :/
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tantek tries some extra backslash escaping
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tantek nope that didn't work
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tantek this works:
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tantek (?:\\@[_a-zA-Z0-9]{1,17})
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tantek but when I replace it with:
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tantek ((?<![^\\s])\\@[_a-zA-Z0-9]{1,17})
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tantek I get SyntaxError: invalid quantifier
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aaronpk Chrome gives me "Invalid group"
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tantek :( those regexes don't seem to work in JS
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aaronpk oboy. w3 wants me to get Esri to join as an organization
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aaronpk rather than have me join as an individual
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tantek of course they do
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tantek tell them no for now
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tantek too hard to properly escape / quote regexes to make them work generically
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tommorris tantek: http://tommorris.org/posts/8002
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aaronpk oh yea it's 12/27 for you now :)
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tantek well I'm not going to put a regex into CASSIS that only works in PHP
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tantek and not in JS
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tommorris Hmm. LHR → PDX → SFO → LHR for £715. looks like indiewebcamp-pdx may be a possibility next year.
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tantek nice
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tantek so here's the other challenge, ?@foo shouldn't link, but @foo,@bar should
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tantek (both of @foo and @bar)
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tommorris tantek: the OSBridge conference site links to all 2012 stuff. ;-)
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tantek I believe you're looking for #osbridge ;)
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tommorris that said, the wiki has session notes all CC BY. ftw.
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tantek :)
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tantek and has openid logins
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tantek it's pretty sweet
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tantek for the wiki even
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tantek and screw it - I'm adding another special case of not linking @-references in addition to the CSS set (@import @media @font @font-face @namespace @page @charset)
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tantek no autolinking @ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQ
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tommorris I'm tempted to do some kind of link substitution thing by having a database which pulls from the Twitter API to translate links to Twitter usernames.
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tommorris So if I type <a href="http://tantek.com/">Tantek</a>, it replaces it with @t when it sends it to Twitter
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@ralphmercer I would pay money for an open, no advertisement web, but never to be walled in by proprietary platforms.. #ownyourdata
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tantek tommorris - I think aaronpk's setup does that.
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tantek IG does that as well, that is, it translates IG @-references to Twitter @-references when cross-posting, if the person @-referenced has linked their twitter account to their IG account.
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aaronpk tommorris: I do it the other way around. I type @t or @tantek on my site, and it links to twitter by default, or if there is a record in users.txt, links to their domain with a little icon
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tommorris So, on that Lanyrd post, I initially did <a href="http://lanyrd.com/">@Lanyrd</a>, then just edited it to remove the @.
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tantek aaronpk - it should work either way, regardless of what you as the user type (Postel's law and all that ;) )
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tommorris after posting, that is.
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tantek and the Twitter Blackberry app auto-recognizes @ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ in the asciibet as a Twitter ID. Ok, now I don't feel so bad :)
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aaronpk with the ? before it?
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tantek no, just in the middle of the string
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aaronpk just realized wordpess' atom feed has no way of paging back in time
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tantek aaonpk - hence the need for hAtom
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tantek feeds are ephemeral
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tantek HTML is crawlable discoverable with archives and such, all marked up in hAtom
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aaronpk ah, cool
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tommorris tantek: http://tommorris.org/posts.xml?page=400 ;-)
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tantek tommorris nice!
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tantek (and quite rare ;)
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tantek )
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tommorris Rails makes publishing multiple formats quite easy.
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tommorris http://tommorris.org/posts.json?page=400
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tantek hmm looks like github service hook to twitter is down, my update to cassis.js didn't make it to twitter.com/cassisjs
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tantek and when I tried to update the oauth link on the github side, github returned a 500 error :(
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tommorris.org edited /why (+398) "I'm gonna be bold and say there is a "community" here." (view diff)
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tantek nice
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tommorris I just read Sumanah's keynote at OSB2012, and it reminded me of when I met her in Israel and she said something along the lines of how getting participation starts with documenting the crap out of everything.
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tantek and favstar *also* has the asciibet over linking bug: http://favstar.fm/users/t/recent
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tommorris ha, and it downcases it too.
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aaronpk lol!
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tantek #FAIL
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tommorris we're gonna end up finding all the bugs in Twitter clients with that tweet.
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Loqi FIND ALL THE BUGS http://loqi.me/635
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tantek :D
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tommorris actually, I wonder: that's an interesting challenge. Come up with a tweet that packs as many potential rendering bugs into 140 characters as possible.
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tommorris could actually be useful, if there was a Twitter account which just has fucked up potential rendering issues.
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tommorris call it AcidTweet. ;-)
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tantek so the whole point of posting that asciibet tweet for me was so I'd have a quick an easy Helvetica reference accessible on my iPod for sketching from
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aaronpk lol! awesome
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tantek now to start trying to draw them. a few hundred times and I should be good. repetition works for stuff like this.
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aaronpk !tell tantek I stole your buttons for http://500lattes.aaron.pk/ thanks!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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aaronpk (dns hasn't finished propagating so you may see the wrong site for another hour or so)
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Loqi tantek: aaronpk left you a message 3 hours, 14 minutes ago: I stole your buttons for http://500lattes.aaron.pk/ thanks!
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tantek aaronpk - nice!
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tantek btw - apparently I posted them to Dribbble in earlyish 2011 http://dribbble.com/shots/147165-2011-101-Falcon-previous-next-arrow-buttons
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aaronpk oh nice!
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aaronpk I just re-wrote that site using a minimal php framework
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aaronpk https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/284081213549977600
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@aaronpk Trying out a new PHP web development stack: Slim Framework, Savant Templates, idiorm ORM: http://t.co/hWrFS2Yz
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tommorris.org edited /why (+74) "/* Why Indie Web Camp community? */ almost forgot that" (view diff)
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@DatenundGesundh “@EricTopol: We're at 2,500,000,000,000 Mio bytes of data generated per day and rising http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2013/jan/10/how-he-got-it-right/?pagination=false” importance to #ownyourdata
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@brennannovak @JamieRighetti @AmberLyon the first mainstream attn was 2.5 yrs ago called Diaspora but there are many more #IndieWeb platforms out there