tommorrisI mean, it's not quite as sexy as West Ham winger Matt Jarvis in his briefs, but within the limited scope of web authentication experiences, I approve.
zztrare all thee indie web guys aware of the 'personal cloud' guys? I just got back from an event with them and I can't help but notice philosophical alignment.
zztrtantek: personal cloud tech is early, but it looks to me like it's being built because it's what they want to use. I do appreciate the dogfood indieweb philosophy much
tantekzztr, "a few 'personal cloud' projects: kynetx.com connect.me respect.io" - none of those seem to be used by their creators on their own domain (lack of self-dogfooding), and in addition, the first two appear to be centralized and silo-like in architecture - not sure of any evidence of anyone using respect.io on their own domain.
tantekso I'll ask again, do any of the 'personal cloud' people/creators actually create, run, depend on their own dogfood? I'm pretty much ignoring projects that don't meet that bar.
tantekuntil something is useful/interesting/critical enough for its creator to be using it and depending on it (preferably daily), it's not worth bothering with IMO.
zztrtantek: gotta run, but to some degree you're quite right, but arguments can be made. i'm not going to make such arguments, because they're not my projects. But there's enough there to keep me interested.
tantekzztr - I guess perhaps I'm a bit more cynical, having seen too many such optimistic projects just flounder and fail, typically because the creator(s) didn't actually have the passion/commitment to put their own identities on the line behind them in real world use.
tantekso yeah, there's tons of open source projects out there. I say focus on the ones where the creator(s) are living and breathing them every day on their own domains. everything else is just a science project.
barnabywaltersianloic: the way I would represent reputation on the web is via XFN within h-cards with p-category set for the various areas with which I associate that person
tantekbarnabywalters is right. and if you need to consume that information, just crawl it, use one of the available open source microformats2 parsers, and cache it as you deem fit.
ianloicbarnabywalters, could be, but to my knowledge hasn't been. and to the best of my knowledge there hasn't been enough reputation information published to be useful.
ianloicI mean, my whole experience of the social web started with advogato which was built primarily as a repuation system. And it never went anywhere...
tommorrisa banned troll on Wikipedia managed to Facebook friend large chunks of the senior Wikipedians, which meant Facebook's UI inherently gave them reputation
tommorrisafter I worked out they were a banned troll, I went to all those people and said "look, you being friends with this guy means others trust that endorsement and give that person access to private information"
tommorrisif private data is in the mix, getting your endorsement system (especially if it is implicit) wrong means horrible ghastly things like giving stalkerish trolls access to information that could, say, allow them to stalk people IRL, out them, etc. etc.
tommorristhis, incidentally, is why every big company doing social networking ought to have a panel with people who have been stalked, subject to threats of violence, or spent time living in the closet, as a privacy advisory panel.
tommorrisindeed. religious, sexual and ethnic minorities who have lived in unfree societies where revealing themselves, their beliefs or activities would lead to execution.
tommorrisPareto's principle is wonderful. but I'd strongly argue that "the user not being murdered by roving bands of religious fundamentalists" is a non-fringe use case.
tommorrisI'm sure if you took a survey of hairdryer users of things they wanted in a hairdryer, not electrocuting them wouldn't be something most people would explicitly state as a preference.
tommorrisbarnabywalters: if that isn't one of their goals, they'll find a way of adapting the software to their own life-shortening, unhappiness-inducing and safety-reducing ways without the developer helping them. ;)
ianloictantek, gender is an easy one - for the majority of us who identify as male or female adding flexibility doesn't create any disadvantage to us[*], other steps we might take to support the diversity of humanity might.
tommorriswell, the nice thing about the web is that individuals and groups can just decide that the current way of representing humanity sucks, take it and change it
ianloic[*] actually if you're engaging in business with other companies they'll often want to know demographic information, especial genders. That provides a strong incentive for companies to demand a self-identification as male or female
tommorristantek: a while back, Wikimedia UK did a survey that asked "How do you identify your gender?" and "How do you identify your sexual orientation?" rather than "What is your gender?" and "What is your sexual orientation?"
tommorrisand the UK Office of National Statistics have freely available standards that define how to ask demographic questions in a sensible way, that's backed up by research
tantektommorris - it was a long battle of building up support from various engineers and various companies until we had a strong representation on the VCARDDAV mailing list
tommorrisso for instance, you might have a small local Wikimedia organisation with 10 members. only one of them is female. you separate out gay and lesbian into two separate categories on your survey, and you set up your age brackets in the wrong way and you not only know you have one female member, but that you have one 15-year-old lesbian member. because of lack of anonymisation and shitty survey design
tommorrisbecause volunteers who haven't had training in statistics and so on may be writing the surveys, it seemed sensible to say "hold on, governments and big companies have worked out how to do this in a more optimal way"
@Johannes_Ernst “@benwerd: Seems like there's significant (good) overlap between #pcloud and #indiewebcamp.” Yes! Connect us?
zztr are all thee indie web guys aware of the 'personal cloud' guys? I just got back from an event with them and I can't help but notice philosophical alignment.
@BarnabyWalters RT @Johannes_Ernst: “@benwerd: Seems like there's significant (good) overlap between #pcloud and #indiewebcamp.” Yes! Connect us?
tantek zztr, "a few 'personal cloud' projects: kynetx.com connect.me respect.io" - none of those seem to be used by their creators on their own domain (lack of self-dogfooding), and in addition, the first two appear to be centralized and silo-like in architecture - not sure of any evidence of anyone using respect.io on their own domain.
barnabywalters ianloic: the way I would represent reputation on the web is via XFN within h-cards with p-category set for the various areas with which I associate that person
tommorris I'm presuming people saw http://actualfacebookgraphsearches.tumblr.com/ the other week. ;-)