#indiewebcamp 2013-02-13

2013-02-13 UTC
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iamshane.com edited /code-of-conduct-examples (+40) "/* Examples */" (view diff)
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@veganstraightedge @ashedryden Adding to others' research on this for @indiewebcamp.
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ianloic oh white papers...
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ianloic they're better than webinars..
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tommorris offers a webinar on his latest white paper.
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tommorris so, the only concern I have with an IndieWebCamp specific code of conduct is that sometimes we might have people who come along and want to show their work on a particularly risque or opinionated site
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tommorris and how we'd deal with that.
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tommorris some people are naturally rather more X-rated than others
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tommorris I've got a friend who publishes erotic fiction on her blog. I'd be fine with talking about the publishing processes she uses, but others might not.
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tommorris similarly, if a professional sexist or homophobe came along (and it annoys me that one can be that and paid money for it), I'd probably not want to spend much time helping them join in
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tommorris previous blogging-related events have had issues like that (think of the Mena Trott incident at Les Blogs)
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tommorris tantek: thoughts?
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tantek hey tommorris
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tantek I think there are multiple perspectives to consider yes
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tantek the indieweb appeals to everyone who wants to be individually expressive (whatever that means to them), potentially beyond what the TOS of a silo may allow
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tantek I think we can separate what people want to do on their "indieweb" site, vs. how people behave and conduct themselves at IndieWebCamp in particular.
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tantek (the public event)
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tantek e.g. I'm sensitive to the fact that ToSs (or equivalent such guidelines) has been used to censor LGBTQ* materials.
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tantek that being said, I'm ok with asking people to not demo how they publish x-rated posts at indiewebcamp in person. I think that's a reasonable request.
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ianloic +1
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tantek no one is saying they shouldn't publish whatever such material on their own site as they wish. we just don't need to see explicit demonstrations of such in-person @IndieWebCamp
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tantek I would put anything discriminatory (non-inclusive as Mozilla likes to put it) in the same category.
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tantek people can post whatever on their own sites
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tantek this section here is good: "I. Inclusion and Diversity" http://www.mozilla.org/about/policies/participation.html on this topic
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tantek reworded a bit more generically: "Some may identify with activities or organizations that do not support the same inclusion and diversity standards as IndieWebCamp"
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tantek "When this is the case: (a) support for exclusionary practices must not be carried into IndieWebCamp activities."
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tantek "(b) support for exclusionary practices in non-IndieWebCamp activities should not be expressed in IndieWebCamp spaces."
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tantek now that being said (about posting whatever you want on your indiewebsite), the use of an indiewebsite to harass, threaten, troll etc. is no better than someone doing so on Twitter or other social media silo.
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tantek so if someone attended IndieWebCamp and used their indieweb site to harass, threaten, troll a speaker at IndieWebCamp, that would be unacceptable. I've never seen this happen or heard of even a hint of this happening so I don't foresee any such problems.
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tantek However, by making it explicit that that kind of behavior (even if it is virtual rather than in-person) is not acceptable in the community we create a more respectful space for a more diverse community.
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tantek tommorris does that answer your questions / address your concerns re: the example of the person who publishes erotic fiction, and how to consider/deal with the example of a sexist or homophobe / other hate-speech publisher?
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@pfefferle @t do you have an idea where i can get a high resolution @indiewebcamp logo? i need one for an article for a german magazine.
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tantek we gotta get pfefferle in this channel
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tantek AaronPK do we have a high res logo somewhere?
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tantek (we should have one on the website for download for such reasons - press/media etc.)
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tantek do we need indiewebcamp.com/press-kit ?
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aaronpk let me check
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tantek just pinged Crystal on IM also
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tantek hey Tom Morris - happy happy
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aaronpk tantek: yep I have the .ai file
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@indiewebcamp RT @t: drafting an @IndieWebCamp Code of Conduct. Step 1, research: http://indiewebcamp.com/code-of-conduct-examples (re: #SpeakingUp and taking action). (ttk.me t4NT4)
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@indiewebcamp @pfefferle what size and format does the magazine want for the logo? We can setup http://indiewebcamp.com/press-kit accordingly. ^@t
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tantek thanks aaronpk
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aaronparecki.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:indiewebcamp logo.svg]]""
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donpdonp im not saying anything about the tech here, but selfcloud has done a great job of branding/presentation for similar ideals to unhosted/indieweb. http://ifmw.mobi/
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tantek lol .mobi
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donpdonp iknowrite? :)
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tantek donpdonp - I've lost track of all the ephemeral slick branding/presentation "idea sites" that have popped up over the years. It's just a matter of paying a marketing firm some $ - nothing intellectually interesting / challenging about it.
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tantek and OTOH, it's almost always a disappointment - flashy site, little substance.
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tantek I'm a big believer in slow, steady, sustainable growth of actual useful/usable things. Let the flashy ephemera distract others, while we get stuff done.
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donpdonp nods
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tantek we can always pay for marketing after we're successful ;)
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tantek welcome back gwenbell!
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gwenbell oh my god so much for lurking
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gwenbell hi!
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gwenbell anyway i'm a terrible lurker
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gwenbell how are things in the indie web? how is your rules & regs thing coming?
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gwenbell just watched the big lebowski for the first time
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donpdonp gwenbell: Mark it 8, Donnie!
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gwenbell hahaha
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gwenbell now i get like every cultural reference i ever missed
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gwenbell also saw star wars, 4, 5 and 6 for the first time at the end of 2012
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gwenbell so now i'm definitely up to speed on what it means to be human
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gwenbell what are y'all doing today?
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gwenbell tantek: have you deployed any node apps yet?
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tantek gwenbell - not yet - I'm working on CASSIS.js apps instead.
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tantek (can be deployed anywhere that runs PHP)
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aaronpk it's still way easier to deploy php than anything else :)
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gwenbell what is that?
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Loqi that is an awesome idea
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gwenbell not php, i know what that is
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tantek http://cassisproject.com/
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gwenbell oh ya i looked at your repo on github
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gwenbell i need a white russian for this
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gwenbell so you built falcon with cassis
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gwenbell i got some server space on a vps so i can play with node - i'm no longer restricted to playing w/just php
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gwenbell node's what i'm excited about right now
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aaronpk that's cool
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aaronpk I just heard about https://www.digitalocean.com/pricing which has some pretty darn good prices
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aaronpk all my stuff has been on Linode for 7+ years, it would take a lot to get me to switch even if it's cheaper
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tantek so I think the summary of POSSE is still too technical and doesn't explain it's significance in sufficiently generally understandable terms.
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tantek here
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gwenbell i'm using one that i can pay for in btc
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tantek I'm going to try adding a bit
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gwenbell i guess digital ocean doesn't take btc yet, but i'll dig deeper - thanks, aaron
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tantek.com edited /POSSE (+814) "add a more understandable summary right at the top explaining why and how" (view diff)
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tantek comments on intro of http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE#POSSE ? Is it more understandable/compelling than before? We should get this right to help explain how "indieweb" is different from previous efforts.
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Loqi barnabywalters: tantek left you a message on 2/11 at 2:51pm: me what are web action delegate patterns?
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Loqi barnabywalters: tantek left you a message on 2/11 at 2:51pm: remind me what are web action delegate patterns?
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barnabywalters ah, right — so "web action delegate URIs" are the fancy name I’ve given to URIs which present a configurable UI for performing an action, which can be customised via params in the URI
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barnabywalters kinda like a callback URI (which I did consider for the name) but presenting a UI to help perform an action instead of performing it automatically with no user intervention
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barnabywalters and the pattern with the same name is the practise of software allowing a user to set these custom URIs as delegates for certain actions within an application, probably with URI template placeholders which are auto-filled depending on the context of the delegation
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barnabywalters tantek: if thats a bit wordy, have a go with my fork of the Indieweb Reply extension for a working, real-world demo
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tantek barnabywalters - captured: http://indiewebcamp.com/webactions#Delegate_URLs
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barnabywalters oh thanks for that tantek!
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tantek more links welcome :)
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tantek (writing something up is a good way to better understand it ;) )
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barnabywalters I’ll do a screencast for those who don’t want to go through the installing-a-dev-extension process
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barnabywalters should really package up indieweb reply now it’s fairly stable
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