#indiewebcamp 2013-03-20

2013-03-20 UTC
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tantek.com edited /why (+238) "why: identity was re-assigned - @girlgeeks story" (view diff)
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aaronpk oh cool, chris messina replied! https://plus.google.com/u/0/117847912875913905493/posts/E49nwPFAfoS
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aaronpk i've definitely found the best way to get in touch with him is via google+ :)
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tantek I hope he's able to get factoryjoe.com up & running again. See this branch (sadly ironically) for details: http://branch.com/b/why-are-silos-beating-the-light-out-of-an-open-social-web
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aaronpk I saw :(
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aaronpk it's a curious problem
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aaronpk "but therein lies the rub — outsourcing to a "silo" is just easier"
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aaronpk wow this is great, I hadn't read this whole post before, I only saw the original tweet and the various tweets around it http://web.archive.org/web/20130216194431/http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/08/25/groups-for-twitter-or-a-proposal-for-twitter-tag-channels/
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tantek coincidentally, Mark Hendrickson of "one click indieweb install" fame got his site up & running again today
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aaronpk oh great! i remember that!
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tantek http://markmhendrickson.com/homesteading-on-the-indie-web
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aaronpk ah interesting.. I didn't even realize that hashtags don't have the "domain squatting" problem, because:
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aaronpk "It also enforces actual use in the wild of tags, since no evidence of a tag will exist without it first being used in conversation."
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tantek.com edited /one-click-install (+56) "identify Mark by his name and URL, rather than former company" (view diff)
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@DatenundGesundh ePatient Dave spricht an der ETH am 27.3. 12-13 "Give me my damn data!"
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@ehafen RT @DatenundGesundh: ePatient Dave spricht an der ETH am 27.3. 12-13 "Give me my damn data!"
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@mysocialexport @LinkedIn and @YouTube exports are coming with next weeks release. #export #backup #ownyourdata
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tantek greetings indiewebcampers
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aaronpk greeting human
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tantek I've been pondering the use of "website as your API" in particular for indie web sites
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tantek since indie web sites are particularly sensitive to maintenance issues (multiple URLs for the same thing etc.)
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tantek and since we seem to have more of a bias towards static file storage solutions rather than database solutions
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tantek is anyone else using HTML5+microformats for their static file storage?
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aaronpk yes I'd like to drop my atom version of my feed in favor of people grabbing content from my html feed
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tantek aaronpk - you use markdown files for storage right?
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aaronpk yes, everything ist stored in markdown with a yaml chunk at the top for metadata like date, timezone, location, etc
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aaronpk then I build the HTML version on the fly from those files
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tantek ok, then it's less of an issue for you then
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aaronpk yes, although I still have the annoyance of maintaining two views of the same data (HTML and XML)
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tantek right
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tantek I wonder how hard it would be to deploy an hAtom (h-entry) to Atom proxy on AppEngine
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tantek because nobody really cares that feed URLs look pretty right?
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aaronpk it would be best to set up a simple project that can be pushed to heroku or an AWS server so everyone can potentially run their own or run shared ones
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aaronpk like how hubs work in pubsubhubbub
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tantek yes that makes sense. you could even have composite hubs that did both.
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aaronpk should be pretty simple now that there are multiple microformats2 parsers!
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tantek true!
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tantek speaking of storage discussions, finally read termie's post about pycon
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tantek sigh. oh termie. I wonder who it was that he heckled.
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hober yeah, sadface.
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tantek this has me reviewing our code of conduct
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tantek aaronpk - I think one thing the indiewebcamp code of conduct could use would be a tldr summary at the top
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tantek what do you think of this:
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tantek tl;dr: Be respectful of other people, respectfully ask people to stop if you are bothered, and if you can't resolve an issue contact staff. If you are being a problem, it will be apparent and you'll be asked to leave.
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tantek.com edited /code-of-conduct (+243) "add a tl;dr summary at the top" (view diff)
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termie holla
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termie erm "hello folks"
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tantek welcome termie!
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termie was trying to sign up, at http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin
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termie but my rel links are on term.ie/blog not term.ie
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tantek aaronpk ^^^
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termie aaronpk: and tantek tells me you might be able to help :)
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termie aaronpk: if it isn't possible to do paths i can probably do something shady via useragent but i'd prefer not to
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tantek termie, you should update your links to twitter, github, facebook to use https
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termie tantek: what rabbit hole have i jumped in...
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tantek termie - copy the default HTML that term.ie is returning into an index.html file and add a few innocuous looking folders named "facebook", "github", "twitter" to the list
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tantek save as index.html, presto done
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termie tantek: (it's already fake folders)
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tantek termie - it's because on those sites - twitter, github, etc., you list your URL there as "http://term.ie" rather than http://term.ie/blog
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tantek rel-me requires that they both point to each other
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termie oh really
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termie hmm
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tantek so yeah - add those links to your "home" page (with https and rel=me) and that should work
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tantek there's a simple RelMeAuth test setup here too: http://tantek.com/relmeauth/
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termie success, put them in a display none
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hober hidden metadata ftw? :)
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termie oh my, hcard up in this
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termie and i'm like third on the list using this sorting
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termie i've been found out!