#indiewebcamp 2013-04-29

2013-04-29 UTC
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tantek.com edited /Getting_Started (+1195) "starting noting optional steps, vs. explicit "why" for key steps, add h-entry" (view diff)
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@BarnabyWalters http://tryghost.org looks interesting from an #indieweb point of view, but if they are so open, where is the code… http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/1373/
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barnabywalters aaronpk: the above POSSEd tweet is my first submission to indienews — made via curl on the command line as I haven’t got webmention in taproot yet ;) http://news.indiewebcamp.com/post/5
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aaronpk nice!!
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aaronpk oh I have some pretty big changes to indienews coming after talking with Tantek yesterday
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barnabywalters aaronpk: oh, cool
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barnabywalters are you planning on enforcing linking to the indienews site to submit?
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aaronpk yes, you'll need to link to it with rel="syndication" which will probably be displayed alongside the twitter syndication link in most cases
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barnabywalters aaronpk: but how can we put a link to the indienews item before the item is created?
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aaronpk that's the trick!
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aaronpk the URL will follow a pattern so you can create the URL before submitting:
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aaronpk for example: http://news.indiewebcamp.com/post/aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/04/26/1/indieweb
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barnabywalters aaronpk: ah, nice
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barnabywalters prevents query strings and hash fragements from ever being useful, but cool nontheless!
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aaronpk yea... fragments can't be part of URLs anyway
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aaronpk i mean you can't use it to retrieve a separate page
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aaronpk i suppose query strings would still be possible... http://news.indiewebcamp.com/post/example.com/posts?id=100
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barnabywalters aaronpk: yeah, I meant that you can never use query strings for stuff on indienews — not that that’s likely to be a problem
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aaronpk ah
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aaronpk I may need to use it for paging...
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barnabywalters but surely not paging within a particular item
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barnabywalters the comments won’t be paginated?
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aaronpk nah probably not. i can just do the 'load more' thing if the comments get too big
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barnabywalters aaronpk: single-page comments seem to have worked for hacker news, so unlikely to be a problem here :)
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aaronpk yea
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barnabywalters nice work — it’s great to to see more apps using microformats for useful, non SEO stuff!
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barnabywalters supporting comments on indienews might also be a good proxy for people who can’t/don’t want to build native indieweb comment support
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aaronpk totally! good point
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aaronpk also the way I'm handling comments will make more sense after this is live
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barnabywalters perhaps there’s some way of letting people put the indienews webmention endpoint as their webmention endpoint, then treating any comments sent there as comments on the indienews entry?
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barnabywalters instant indieweb comments for everyone!
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aaronpk that's an interesting idea!!
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aaronpk i will have to think about that! it might Just Work™
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@pauloppenheim The more I play with IPv6, the more it seems both dangerous and important for a healthy future indieweb.
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aaronpk tantek: App.net just launched domain verification using rel=me! :) http://blog.app.net/2013/04/29/announcing-domain-verification/
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tantek woot!
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Loqi yay!
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aaronpk after I showed Dalton IndieAuth and suggested they use it
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aaronpk s/use it/use rel=me/
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Loqi aaronpk meant to say: after I showed Dalton IndieAuth and suggested they use rel=me
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tantek does that mean indieauth now supports app.net as an authenticator?
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aaronpk let's see if they added the reciprical rel=me...
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aaronpk looks like they did!
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aaronpk https://alpha.app.net/dalton/post/5184102
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aaronpk now I can add app.net as an IndieAuth authenticator
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aaronpk interesting, lots of people want DNS based verification as well with a TXT record
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tommorris aaronpk: is that just using the rel-me?
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tommorris or do you have to use the whole thing? ;)
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tommorris I guess I should test it
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aaronpk two main reasons: 1) they don't want to display a link to app.net on their home page, and 2) to be able to verify hosted services that don't allow you to edit the HTML (tumblr, svbtle, etc)
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aaronpk tommorris: click the "advanced" instructions. ironically, that part is shorter
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aaronpk http://www.flickr.com/photos/aaronpk/8692974441/in/photostream
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Loqi 1 files modified, 2 new files in aaronpk/IndieAuth/master by aaronpk https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth/compare/839f49d4be6a...be82e944fe04
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Loqi aaronpk: add app.net auth
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aaronpk works!
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tantek aaronpk nice!
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aaronpk it's dead simple to add new authentication providers if there's an omniauth gem already written
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@sandeepshetty .@BarnabyWalters Oxymoron: "Ghost is a Node.js application... which means it can run pretty much anywhere" http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/johnonolan/ghost-just-a-blogging-platform #indieweb
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aaronparecki.com edited /App.net (+188) "/* IndieWeb Friendly Components */ rel=me links" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /Template:indieauth-status (+24) "add app.net" (view diff)
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aaronpk also from dalton: "I managed to get Dustin Curtis to add rel="me" to Svbtle"
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aaronpk tantek: ^
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tantek whoa - example?
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aaronpk http://daltoncaldwell.com/
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tantek oh right! the blog host that Dalton uses
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aaronpk yea the super elite one?
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aaronpk lol
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tantek shiny silo is shiny :)
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aaronpk well at least you can point your domain at it, and it supports rel-me links!
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aaronpk hey you know what...
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aaronpk we need a "Getting Started" guide for site/service providers separate from the guide for people
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aaronpk like, if you're making a service and want to be a good indieweb player, do these things: _______
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aaronpk 1) provide a way for people to add rel=me links to other profiles 2) provide a way to export all a user's data, ...
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aaronpk 3) mark up a feed with h-entry microformats 4) add an h-card to the user's home page
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aaronpk on*
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tantek true!
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tantek or maybe just a subset of Getting Started?
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tantek I mean the steps are almost the same
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aaronpk heh
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aaronpk for example I'd like to be able to send a link to Dalton and have them implement everything
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tantek right, written from the perspective of silos
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tantek remember the notes we were taking on what indienews should to to be a good indieweb citizen?
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tantek https://twitter.com/microformats/status/328992420463271936
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@microformats Nicely done @Svbtle and @AppDotNet! Both launched rel=me support, e.g. http://t.co/ExGLChW9O5 and https://t.co/ZJm50nZfzL
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tantek aaronpk - how about indieweb.com/friendly - as in how to make your site indieweb friendly
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tantek ?
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aaronpk that's pretty good
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tantek is that catchy enough of a URL to point site/service providers to?
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tantek linking back to original posts with rel=canonical
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aaronpk yea that's pretty good! let me find my other notes
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aaronpk webmention: If a syndicated copy of a post receives a webmention, the webmention response must contain a link back to the canonical URL.
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tantek aaronpk - there you go - add forth!
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aaronpk w00t
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tantek http://indiewebcamp.com/friendly
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@xtof_fr Errata copie de la note #indieweb précédente (#POSSE de http://christopheducamp.com/2013-04-29) l'URL était http://news.indiewebcamp.com
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