#indiewebcamp 2013-05-03

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pdurbin fmarier: hi. I love Mozilla. Libravatar sounds very interesting. I'm wondering if Persona supports SAML
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fmarier pdurbin: no, it doesn't support SAML, it's a new protocol that's designed to be very minimal
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pdurbin ah. oh well. my users want SAML/Shibboleth
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pdurbin fmarier: do you know Amy Rich or Sheeri Cabral?
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pdurbin or Christian Heilmann?
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fmarier pdurbin: yes, i know Christian and Sheeri
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fmarier but not Amy
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pdurbin I met Sheeri at http://www.northeastlinuxfest.org recently
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pdurbin fmarier: can you ask Brendan to start up http://www.aminutewithbrendan.com again?
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fmarier pdurbin: have you tried pinging him on Twitter?
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pdurbin heh. no. I guess I should :)
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tantek welcome fmarier!
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tantek great to see you here :)
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fmarier tantek: thanks :)
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pdurbin fmarier: I love http://christianheilmann.com/2012/08/16/datatable-to-barchart-without-images-libraries-or-plugins/
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fmarier tantek: you'll be pleased to know that I finally run a Persona IdP on my own domain :)
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tantek WOOHOO!!!
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tantek :D
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fmarier and I've convinced joey to add support for Persona in ikiwiki, so soon my blog will have it too
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tantek fmarier that's great to hear
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pdurbin fmarier: ikiwiki?!? my favorite! http://wiki.greptilian.com :)
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fmarier i also setup libravatar on my domain just so I could include it on the indiewebcamp guest list
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fmarier pdurbin: yeah, ikiwiki is awesome :)
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fmarier i moved my blog from Blogger to branchable.com and haven't looked back since
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pdurbin fmarier: think joey will ever re-write it in haskell? ;)
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fmarier actually i did look back with horror wondering why it took me so long to switch :)
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fmarier pdurbin: i doubt it :)
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pdurbin heh
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pdurbin "Everyone should own and control their data. So when you make a web site on Branchable, we don't lock you in. You can use git to download the entire source code of your web site at any time, and move it elsewhere if you desire." -- http://www.branchable.com/about/freedom/
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tantek fmarier - perhaps add a section for libravatar in indiewebcamp.com/projects#production
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pdurbin I wrote more about branchable at http://irclog.greptilian.com/spanworm/2013-02-09#i_2927
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tantek Branchable sounds worthy of a article too
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tantek is it a blog content host like blogger?
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fmarier tantek: it's an ikiwiki hosting company
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fmarier so they host wikis and blogs
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fmarier all their code is agpl and they let you use your own domain
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tantek fmarier, pdurbin - please feel free to add to: http://indiewebcamp.com/Branchable - thanks!
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pdurbin tantek: I only edit wikis from the command line (with vim) ;)
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pdurbin but I did share that link in #ikiwiki
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@xtof_fr Attending #OuiShare Labs Camp, 5th-7th May 2013 in Paris http://lanyrd.com/2013/ouisharelabs/ : #indieweb fans welcome !
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@AndrewKorf @seanbonner @chrismessina #indieweb?
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Loqi eschnou: tantek left you a message 9 hours, 10 minutes ago: - great to hear it. thanks for evaluating the comments markup brainstorming. use-case for the same page u-in-reply-to is applications/sites that may subscribe to the comments as a feed, perhaps mix them in with other comments/entries. keeps the context.
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Loqi eschnou: tantek left you a message 9 hours, 9 minutes ago: the same page in-reply-to url is not critical, but I think it is a simple/good pattern to help encourage extracted data to be self-contained in general.
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Loqi eschnou: tantek left you a message 8 hours, 41 minutes ago: decided to write-up your Q&A - let me know if this covers it: http://microformats.org/wiki/comment-brainstorming#Use_case_for_same_page_u-in-reply-to
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eschnou !tell tantek ok, so I can reuse the markup for my 'latest comments' widget in the sidebar and they will self-contain the reply-to, makes it easy to get a feed of my latest comments just by parsing the homepage. Cool :-)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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tantek lol
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tantek I'm here :)
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Loqi tantek: eschnou left you a message 26 seconds ago: ok, so I can reuse the markup for my 'latest comments' widget in the sidebar and they will self-contain the reply-to, makes it easy to get a feed of my latest comments just by parsing the homepage. Cool :-)
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eschnou tantek, I thought it was the middle of the night on the west coast :-)
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tantek it is just past midnight yes - but that's relatively early sometimes
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tantek :)
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eschnou tantek, yeah, I would code all night if I didn't have to wake up so early the next day :-)
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xtof tantek & eschnou : FYI ready to try to do my best to defend indiewebcamp movement principles during http://ouisharefest.com/ : will report soon
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@tombrossman @charles_jsy LinkedIn=Pot, Facebook=Kettle. Interesting article but total hypocrisy. #Indieweb is so much easier, long-term.
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tantek xtof awesome
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bret Anyone see this before? https://buddycloud.org/wiki/Main_Page
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@xtof_fr #Barcamp #OuiShareFest á 12:00 Relire les "principes râpeux". Cri de ralliement #indieweb : #OwnYourData http://christopheducamp.com/w/2013-05-03
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tantek bret I've heard of buddycloud before but haven't looked into it too deeply
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bret it looks similar to diaspora kind of
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tantek indeed "buddycloud is an open source, distributed social network"
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bret ie everyone just run this project and we will be good
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tantek yup
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tantek monoculture
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tantek perhaps it's time to start an antipatterns page
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bret i have been looking into the feasability of getting gh-pages to be a little bit less static. It looks like its possible todo PuSH with gh-pages hosted stuff, maybe its not to hard to get webmentions working too?
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bret using their post commit hook api
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tantek welcome back Loqi
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Loqi woot!
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pdurbin "One of the fundamental problems for the #indieweb is that running a production system on today's web is not for dilettantes. Self-hosting involves self-maintenance. Most normal people don't have the discipline, the time or the secure software that allows them to safely do this." --Ade Oshineye
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pdurbin from https://plus.google.com/u/1/105037104815911535953/posts/6zUWbNKbWrM
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pdurbin dunno if folks here had seen that thread yet
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tantek pdurbin fascinating thread
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tantek just from glancing - my guess is an out of date wordpress install
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tantek (one of the reasons why nearly everyone in #indiewebcamp has abandoned wordpress for their personal blog)
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pdurbin I definitely agree with the sentiment of running Jekyll or ikiwiki or what have you
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tantek pdurbin, indeed a few indiewebcamp folks run Jekyll http://indiewebcamp.com/projects#Jekyll
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tantek most of us however have started writing our own semi-static solutions: http://indiewebcamp.com/projects#experimental
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tantek pdurbin - thanks for the link. commented.
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pdurbin tantek: I saw. great. now to link them back here
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pdurbin done
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pdurbin tantek: I'm not sure I agree with you saying, "note that all of us who decide to walk the path of building our own solutions have chosen POSSE over PESOS" ... I'm considered building solutions based on PESOS
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tantek pdurbin - interesting - will be good to have another perspective - looking forward to seeing when you've got your site up & running with whatever solution you're building.
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pdurbin what I if post to Twitter and Google+ and collect all my posts with https://www.thinkup.com and use ThinkUp's API to pull the content out and post it to my own site?
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tantek sure - has all the disadvantages already noted (vulnerable to their downtime, TOS, etc.)
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tantek and you lose permalink control
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tantek that's probably the biggest personal motivation - I'd rather have people link to the original on my site (and be able to easily discover it) rather than silo copies
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tantek with PESOS you're still dependent on silos
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tantek POSSE treats silos as a "nice to have" rather than a dependency
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pdurbin well, I could consider the permalink to be the final resting place on a domain I control after it's been processed by ThinkUp and the app I haven't written yet :)
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tantek thus it's more independent, more indieweb
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tantek nah, the permalink is what people link to
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tantek doesn't matter what you theoretically consider it to be
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pdurbin I have no control over what people link to
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tantek PESOS encourages people to link to silos
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tantek POSSE encourages people to link to your site
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tantek in that way, yes, you do have some control
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tantek links to silos rot and die
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tantek witness Upcoming, Posterous, just days ago
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pdurbin I don't have ads on my site. I don't particularly care about hits to it :) ... I'm more interested in spreading ideas :)
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tantek I'm more interested having hypermedia / hypertext work over time
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tantek = links that work
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tantek = links to my site, not silos
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tantek spreading ideas to me means hypertext that works
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tantek otherwise you might as well just post PDFs
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tantek dead-end documents
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pdurbin sure. Hypertext Style: Cool URIs don't change. - http://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI.html ... as I'm sure you've seen
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tantek right
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tantek and POSSE URLs have greater longevity than PESOS silo URLs
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pdurbin is that always true?
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pdurbin in http://twit.tv/show/triangulation/98 Brewster Kahle of http://archive.org talks about the average lifespan of a website. it's shockingly short. people aren't always good about keeping their content up for long
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tantek pdurbin - as long as your site is zero maintenance when you're not adding content (e.g. static / semi-static), then all you need is a small living trust to keep paying the DNS / hosting fees.
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pdurbin mmm, zero maintenance
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tantek static / semi-static site = zero worry of slashdot / reddit / HN / Digg etc.
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tantek databases are for sysadmin hobbyists
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pdurbin sure. could do something like http://ec2.forpoets.org
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pdurbin or was it http://s3.forpoets.org ...
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pdurbin they're both down for me :(
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pdurbin ironically ;)
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@charles_jsy @tombrossman Indeed :) What's Indieweb?
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tantek that's good. as more ask the question, more will find an answer for themselves.
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pdurbin tantek: I think we're mostly in violent agreement :)
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