#indiewebcamp 2013-05-24

2013-05-24 UTC
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tantek.com edited /wiki/ (+404) "Done: What Links Here, new bug: Login page errantly mentions OpenID if you're already logged in." (view diff)
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tantek.com created /wiki-page (+1871) "start a page about the wiki page type (in terms of something you'd want to have on your own site)" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /wiki/ () "(-1066) move wiki page type to its own page, leave a summary behind" (view diff)
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aaronpk tantek: why'd you mark User:Exts.ch patrolled?
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tantek because it looked fine
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tantek I'm going through the RSVPs now and fixing User: links
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tantek people putting random usernames instead of their domains
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tantek etc.
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tantek i.e. your user name is what shows up in a page history, links at the bottom, etc.
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tantek not a given name or nickname
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tantek that was the old openid goofiness
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tantek speaking of which, we still have some old openid goobers
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tantek in the Special: pages
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aaronpk yea :(
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aaronpk I don't like that plugin, it made you choose a username after signing in
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Loqi it'll be ok
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tantek.com edited /2013/Guest_List (+47) "sort, fix counts, fix User: links to point to actual User: pages that people used to login and make changes (e.g. see History / RecentChanges)" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk - embarrassingly - among those who's User: links were wrong, you, caseorganic, me.
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tantek all fixed now
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aaronpk hah
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aaronpk wait how does that work?
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aaronpk on the guest list you mean?
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tantek see the links here? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?title=2013/Guest_List&action=history
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tantek e.g. you had User:Aaronpk instead of User:Aaronparecki.com. Similarly I had User:Tantek instead of User:Tantek.com
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aaronpk ah! must have just been copy/paste from the first year!
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aaronpk oooo
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aaronpk oops
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tantek which means some of these folks don't have user pages
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tantek ahem, including caseorganic!
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tantek http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?title=User:Caseorganic.com&action=edit&redlink=1
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aaronpk heh yea hers is at "caseorganic"
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tantek has Amber signed into the wiki yet with her domain?!?
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tantek I'm seeing: User account "Caseorganic.com" is not registered.
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aaronpk hah! maybe not!
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tantek OOPS
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aaronpk I will point that out when she returns :)
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aaronpk although she doesn't really have a computer right now
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tantek ahem, as a co-organizer, might I suggest gently that she should do so ;)
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tantek should work on Mobile Safari
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aaronpk true
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tantek I've deleted/blocked spam on microformats.org from Mobile Safari
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tantek so as long as she can login to twitter or github etc. on her iPhone...
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tantek yeah - re: computer right now
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tantek :( :( :(
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aaronpk yea
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aaronpk she's been challenging herself about whether she actually needs a laptop
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tantek you guys doing ok? were you able to at least file some sort of insurance or other loss report or something?
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aaronpk been sending a surprising number of emails from her phone
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tantek it's like an iPodBerry
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tantek I've deliberately NOT enabled email on my iPod
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aaronpk hah yea she types at least as fast as people on blackberrys
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tantek makes me think much more highly of it as a nice happy device
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aaronpk the nice thing about the iPhone/iPad is you can only do one thing at a time, it's hard to get distracted and switch tabs
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aaronpk so writing an email is not as bad because you're forced to finish it before switching contexts to something else
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tantek sorta - I'm pretty good at task switching via running apps on the iPod
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tantek email is almost always bad
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aaronpk whereas on a computer it's too easy to get distracted by the blinking window behind your email window
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tantek regardless of device
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aaronpk well yea, but it's kind of a necessary evil
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tantek it favors people who have more time to write than build
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tantek hence why I relegate it to laptop only
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tantek and just do it in a block of time at start/end of day
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aaronpk I like that idea, wish I could do it
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tantek.com edited /2013 (+6) "/* IndieWebCamp 2013 */ bold it" (view diff)
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aaronpk wow... http://blog.method.ac/announcements/our-servers-hard-drive-is-dead-we-didnt-have-a-backup/
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tantek wtf was method action?
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aaronpk no idea lol
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tantek one advantage of a VPS - they do backups for you so if the hardware layer fails, they restore from backup for you
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tantek disks? where we're going, we don't need disks.
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tantek with apologies to Doc
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aaronpk haha
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@t What if I told you #IndieWebCamp 2013 is only 30 days away?
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tantek (insert obv Morpheus meme)
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@benwerd RT @t: What if I told you #IndieWebCamp 2013 is only 30 days away?
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aaronpk http://meme.loqi.me/4Q9mRD2U.jpg
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Loqi :)
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tantek YES
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tantek now how do we get Loqi to make those automatically?
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aaronpk when I finally finish upgrading him on freenode he will :)
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aaronpk he does them automatically on the esri IRC server :)
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@grigs RT @t: What if I told you #IndieWebCamp 2013 is only 30 days away?
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tantek aaronpk - awesome.
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tantek updated my note to hot embed that img - hope Loqi is ok with that ;)
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aaronpk hah
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aaronpk i'm sure he can handle it
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tantek might @-replies are getting stranger and stranger
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tantek s/might/my
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Loqi tantek meant to say: my @-replies are getting stranger and stranger
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aaronpk lol!
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tantek https://twitter.com/t/status/337745487413264384
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@t What if I told you #IndieWebCamp 2013 is only 30 days away?
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tantek the actual threaded ones
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@gcorrin RT @t: What if I told you #IndieWebCamp 2013 is only 30 days away?
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tantek man - only 30 days, so much to code before then!!!
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aaronpk true! wow
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@kevinmarks RT @t: What if I told you #IndieWebCamp 2013 is only 30 days away?
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@Stringgeek RT @t: What if I told you #IndieWebCamp 2013 is only 30 days away?
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tantek ok this is a little ridiculous - that's the fastest pace of retweets I've gotten in a while
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aaronpk wow
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tantek clearly I should simply tweet always in meme
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aaronpk :D
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aaronpk sometimes we have entire conversations in memes
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aaronpk with loqi auto-mememing all of the sentences and each being posted immediately on our giant wall-mounteddashboard
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tantek.com edited /2013/Guest_List (-68) "copy edits/updates" (view diff)
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aaronpk ok my turn :)
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tantek.com created /wiki-projects (+3785) "move from general wiki page to its own page" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /how-to-sponsor (+144) "add contact info" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /wiki/ () "(-3261) move wiki projects to its own page" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Falcon (+688) "/* Itching */ Indie Wiki" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Falcon (+6) "/* Indie Wiki */ Brainstorming" (view diff)
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@canuckistani RT @t: What if I told you #IndieWebCamp 2013 is only 30 days away?
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tantek lulz
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aaronpk think evanpro would be up for sponsoring again?
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tantek ok, so I wonder what the retweet to new-sign-up ration will be
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tantek aaronpk - I think so - especially given our progress on federated comments
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aaronpk cool
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tantek I know he wast trying to figure out how to make it himself
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aaronpk great!
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aaronparecki.com edited /how-to-sponsor (+515) "add paypal button" (view diff)
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tantek nice
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aaronpk I really want to get some of the companies listed here http://indiewebcamp.com/business-models to sponsor!
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termie tantek: aaaa only 30 days?
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tantek yes
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tantek June 22-23
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termie added to calendar
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tantek termie - and OSBridge is June 18-21
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termie tantek: yeah, dunno whether i'll be doing osbridge, will see
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aaronpk i'm gonna be talking about IRC bots at osbridge! http://opensourcebridge.org/sessions/1106
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tantek aaonpk - awesome!
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aaronparecki.com edited /business-models (+255) "link to main email article" (view diff)
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@haxor RT @t: What if I told you #IndieWebCamp 2013 is only 30 days away?
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ialsowent.com edited /2013/Guest_List (+803) "/* Creators */" (view diff)
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ialsowent.com edited /2013/Guest_List (+0) "/* Official Guest List */" (view diff)
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@eschnou RT @t: What if I told you #IndieWebCamp 2013 is only 30 days away?
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@kevinmarks the #indieweb origins of Tumblr: http://www.dailydot.com/business/origin-tumblr-anarchaia-projectionist-david-karp/
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tommorris of possible interest to indiewebfolks re. commons: http://stateofthemap.us/ is next month in San Francisco
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tommorris I'm hoping to go to SotM in the UK in September
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pdurbin aaronpk: you work for esri? I work with a lot of the folks at http://gis.harvard.edu
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xtof fyi #flow by Brandon Harris http://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/05/20/flow-next-generation-discussion-system/
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@xtof_fr #indiedream 2013 : Portland : http://christopheducamp.com/w/2013-05-24 cc @anthere #indieweb (#chronodream)
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@michaeldexter RT @t: What if I told you #IndieWebCamp 2013 is only 30 days away?
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barnabywalters my twitter.com bio link has been tcoed
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barnabywalters the prophecy foretold this day would come
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pdurbin -1
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tommorris sigh @ t.co
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@xtof_fr @nicolas2fr vivement que tu aies ta boîte #indieweb et qu'on installe #webmention : http://christopheducamp.com/Utilisateur:Www.nicolas-bermond.com á tout á l'heure
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tantek re: t.co - it's why Twitter got bumped from the top of the indieauth status list to a lower level
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /2013/Guest_List (+512) "/* Remote Participants */ Added myself" (view diff)
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tommorris and there he was, gone. ;)
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@xtof_fr @anthere n'aurai pas le temps de vous rép. par #email
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barnabywalters woo hoo my mandrill-backed post-via-email works with attachments after a few bugfixes! http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/1450/
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@xtof_fr @t #boxmodelhack #indieweb fiesta tonite in Paris http://christopheducamp.com/w/2013-05-24#Box_model_hack (photo Lucie, 2001) - Thx 4 all. Hope I could join you in Portland
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aaronpk barnabywalters: whoa that's awesome!
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barnabywalters aaronpk: what, the post-via-email or the superman street vendor? ;)
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aaronpk hah both
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barnabywalters took a little while to get it working okay due to difficulty of debugging and some weird inconsistencies
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aaronpk inconsistencies? care to document those on the mandrill section of [[email]]?
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barnabywalters for example the docs say that attachments are in the 'attachments' key but sometimes they seem to be in the 'images' key in the response
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aaronpk I'm considering using mandrill soon too
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barnabywalters aaronpk: yep, just about to — will also try to reproduce and file a bug with mandrill
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aaronpk I unfortunately just lost some post-by-email code I wrote to post to my internal wordpress site
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barnabywalters :(
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aaronpk and yes "lost" is a good term for it. pretty sure my live file was overwritten when I upgraded wordpress (oops) and I can't remember if/where I put the code elsewhere
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /email (+360) "/* Mandrill */ added a note about the attachment inconsistencies I’ve experienced with Mandrill" (view diff)
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barnabywalters inconsistencies aside, I’ve found it to be quite easy to use — esp. that when something goes wrong it tells you what error code was received, when it’s scheduled to be resent, and a button to manually resend
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aaronpk that's nice
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aaronpk yea I've always done email parsing myself, with an SMTP server piping to a script on my server
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aaronpk quickly gets to be a PITA handling the weird stuff that comes from email clients
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barnabywalters I tried setting up a mail server once and gave up — too many moving parts for me to think about (not a sysadmin)
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aaronpk yea it is not trivial
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aaronpk I finally sat down like 8 years ago and forced myself to learn everything
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barnabywalters I’m starting to send example content to my handler from as many iOS apps as I can to document the HTML they spit out
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aaronpk best guide I ever found is this: http://www.howtoforge.com/virtual-users-and-domains-with-postfix-courier-mysql-and-squirrelmail-fedora-18-x86_64
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aaronpk he also does a great job of updating the tutorial with every OS update
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aaronpk barnabywalters: that's awesome. would love to see the results
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barnabywalters of particular interest are tweetbot and reeder (or any other twitter/RSS reader), which might be able to be parsed into in-reply-to URLs or quotes or something
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aaronpk oh! interesting idea
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barnabywalters but I’m mainly interested in good solid content — e.g. tune export via garageband or geo data from gallileo
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aaronpk interesting
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barnabywalters ideal workflow: I record a journey. I email the GPX to my note endpoint. It gets parsed into an awesome little interactive map display
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barnabywalters not quite frictionless data collection but pretty close ;)
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aaronpk neat
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aaronpk I'm still noodling on how to record/store/present more data types like my steps, sleep, location, etc
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barnabywalters well I take it you’ve already got location recording pretty much sorted
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aaronpk sorta
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@joefowler +1 on people's terms of service w google, FB, etc. #ownyourdata http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/05/do-you-and-google-need-a-relationship-counselor/276170/
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@benwerd @anildash Are you aware of the #indieweb community? Lots of really interesting software coming out of there.
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aaronparecki.com edited /business-models (+206) "added dropbox and github" (view diff)
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@julien51 Ok, USA, enjoy your long weekend and please, setup http://www.subtome.com on your blogs and sites during your free time! #indieweb
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tantek.com edited /web_hosting (+794) "add more info on Types of Service from business models page" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /business-models (+842) "split hosting into web, file, app. remove tumblr and about.me because they don't actually charge money / have a business model." (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /web_hosting (+649) "add links to guides on using Dropbox and GitHub pages" (view diff)
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