#indiewebcamp 2013-05-31
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hadleybeeman Annoyingly, I can't submit them as evidence anyway... Each person has to register themselves to contribute (and be counted). http://standards.data.gov.uk/terms-and-conditions
# hadleybeeman (And as someone who's involved in the machinery of getting open standards embedded, I'm not allowed a voice at this table. So even if we all agreed on something, I couldn't be the person to put it forward.)
# hadleybeeman It's a preventing-conflicts-of-interest thing.
# hadleybeeman It's cleaner if one or two (or more) of you register (establishing you as experts. It also asks for your home organisation, if you like, to lend credibility to your statement) and present it yourself.
# hadleybeeman Austerity, Aaronpk. They might pay for the phone call. :)
# hadleybeeman Yes — that was ACTUALLY why I wanted to ping you, tantek. :)
# hadleybeeman (Though I was happy to have your thoughts come out!)
# hadleybeeman I know, bret. Some people haven't left the 1900s yet.
# hadleybeeman Yes, bret. Shall we talk about the £100,000 quote for delivering a WordPress site?
# hadleybeeman Sometimes "legacy" means "unnecessarily complicated/expensive"
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tantek pdurbin - this is a good point. perhaps you can fill out http://standards.data.gov.uk/terms-and-conditions suggesting that the government use IRC instead of email or IM :)
# tantek please add those clients here! http://indiewebcamp.com/IRC#Quick_Start
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bret http://git-annex.branchable.com/special_remotes/xmpp/ this guy managed to make git work over xmpp
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# tantek pdurbin - add yourself? http://indiewebcamp.com/IRC-people
# tantek add yourself here too: http://indiewebcamp.com/IRC-people
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@t @benwerd how are you #POSSE-ing? Looks like a #sharecrop tweet to me. Don't see it on http://benwerd.com #indieweb (ttk.me t4QF2)
# scor bret: it was originally part of HTML5 but was taken out, effectively putting microdata on the same footing as the other syntaxes (RDFa, microformats and microformats2)
# scor another common misconception is that microdata and microformats are the same (they sound similar, people confuse them), but they are not the same thing
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pdurbin hmm, actually, it should be pretty easy to add rel="me" to the script that generates the list of my profiles on my homepage: https://github.com/pdurbin/pdurbin.github.com/blob/master/_includes/profiles.pl
# scor tantek: btw, are you planning to attend SemTechBiz next week in San Francisco?
# pdurbin tantek: are you suggesting I add rel="me" to all my profiles or just the 5 that are listed at https://indieauth.com/setup ?
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# pdurbin uh oh. indieauth trouble: You just authenticated as 'https://github.com/pdurbin' but your website linked to 'http://github.com/pdurbin'
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aaronpk just update your link to https://github and it'll be fine
# pdurbin this doesn't show https: https://indieauth.com/img/code-sample.png
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# pdurbin no favicon on http://indiewebcamp.com ?
# aaronpk aahahaha benwerd broke my site too http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/05/30/1/indieweb
# aaronpk ok, wrapped in a try/catch http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/05/30/1/indieweb
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# pdurbin my little write up of indieauth: https://plus.google.com/107770072576338242009/posts/XHAQqzRQW9k
# pdurbin I have a little blog at http://thedurbins.com/phil/blog but it's only for important stuff :)
# pdurbin hmm, I even "blogged" on google+ about my blogger's remorse: https://plus.google.com/107770072576338242009/posts/4HCtAuJFWdE :)
# pdurbin this was going to be the hacker emblem post: https://github.com/pdurbin/pdurbin.github.com/blob/3e26b3082b39e4a3fbf41dd271e879e28c00cff1/_posts/2012-03-24-room-for-the-hacker-emblem-to-move.md
# pdurbin aaronpk: primary? I kind of have two identities online: http://thedurbins.com/phil/blog/2012/01/14/my-split-personality-online.html
# pdurbin for geek stuff I use http://greptilian.com
# pdurbin oh certainly. I update http://wiki.greptilian.com all the time
# pdurbin that is to say, I can link to http://devguide.thedata.org/build (no slash) but it becomes http://devguide.thedata.org/build/
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@sandeepshetty Why I love #indieweb "whether any one of us agrees or not, doesn't matter... each implementer decides for themselves" http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2013-05-29#t1369872557
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# @sandeepshetty Representing updates to #indieweb sites inspired by wiki style RecentChanges (ActivityStreams alternative) http://sandeep.shetty.in/2013/05/recentchanges-alternative-to.html #indieweb
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# sandeep.shetty.in edited /User:Sandeep.shetty.in (-15) "/* Work In Progress */ Moved recentchanges to github for issue tracking" (view diff)
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# sandeepshetty (posted on #microformats by mistake) Interesting/relevant: "Federation protocols" http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-fedsocweb/2013May/0058.html
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# sandeepshetty barnabywalters aaronpk tantek: Take a look at https://github.com/converspace/recentchanges very initial draft... looking for feedback...
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barnabywalters reads
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@BarnabyWalters Another #indieweb creator has commented on @eschnou’s famous thread with a new implementation — congratulations @be… http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/1479/
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@eschnou RT @BarnabyWalters: Another #indieweb creator has commented on @eschnou’s famous thread with a new implementation — congratulations @be… ht…
# @sandeepshetty RT @BarnabyWalters: Another #indieweb creator has commented on @eschnou’s famous thread with a new implementation — congratulations @be… ht…
# barnabywalters how many implementations are we up to on that thread now? I count seven
# barnabywalters sandeepshetty: not sure I understand the format exactly — is it HTML + microformats with in-the-pipeline JSON alternative?
# eschnou barnabywalters, Indeed, 7, the ones from: eschnou, aaron, xtof, barnaby, mathias, tom and ben
# sandeepshetty I counted ~11 implementors...
# sandeepshetty the rest are pinbacks form wordpress?
# sandeepshetty s/form/from
# barnabywalters some are local comments, a couple are pingbacks from wordpress
# sandeepshetty barnabywalters: the RecentChanges endpoint could be html with microformats.
# eschnou sandeepshetty, if the pingback source as mf2 I count it as an implementation.
# sandeepshetty The examples are to figure out use-cases..
# barnabywalters I did originally have something very like this — I had /activity
# barnabywalters it was really, really boring
# barnabywalters basically just repeating what was on /notes
# eschnou now, would be great to see more implementors displaying comments received, we are only 2.5
# barnabywalters with wider acceptance of commenting, it might be a little more interesting
# barnabywalters eschnou: yes! I have it in the pipeline :)
# barnabywalters who is the .5?
# eschnou barnabywalters, you are the .5 :-) Since you display mentions somewhere but not linked to the item replied to :-)
# sandeepshetty I'll be working on implementing it soon on sandeep.io (re webmention comments)
# barnabywalters eschnou: ah, I see!
# sandeepshetty barnabywalters: Why was it boring?
# barnabywalters because it was almost exactly the same as what was on /notes
# sandeepshetty I'm hoping I can poll something like from people I follow to get updates
# barnabywalters seeing as most of the activity on my site was and is posting notes
# sandeepshetty webmention comments will change that..
# sandeepshetty plus I also edit post on sandeep.io after posting..
# barnabywalters I do too, often
# barnabywalters mostly very small uninteresting noise
# barnabywalters sandeepshetty: the polling for updates is an interesting use case which is probably worth expanding on somewhere
# sandeepshetty Also if webmentions flow upstream (based on in-reply-to) the source won't have to ping everyone to tell them there are updates... polling the source will be simpler..
# barnabywalters sandeepshetty: actually as eschnou mentioned I do have a site-wide record of any comments left at /mentions
# sandeepshetty barnabywalters: have you seen http://indiewebcamp.com/push-vs-pull ?
# barnabywalters sandeepshetty: yes
# barnabywalters not read through it all yet
# sandeepshetty The key idea with RecentChanges is that we don't need to be generic... for indieweb purposes 4 verbs might be enough...
# sandeepshetty Looking for use cases everyone else might have outside what I've llsted
# barnabywalters sandeepshetty: I disagree with a lot of the downsides to push you are citing on push-vs-pull — many of them are dealt with by using a hub-based approach where the hubs periodically poll the publishers
# barnabywalters I specced out an approach which allows publishers to be completely static
# barnabywalters turns out it’s extremely similar to PuSH 0.4
# barnabywalters which was last touched a year ago, it seems :/
# barnabywalters ideally, publisher barrier to entry is putting a <link> element in their source
# barnabywalters if they want to actually ping the hub, that’s a bonus
# barnabywalters the idea is to make subscribing to changes to a site easier + faster + more efficient
# sandeepshetty I was focusing more on the subscriber part... since I want converspace to also be a feed-reader... I want to be me medium for both consumption and publishing (like twitter, facebook)
# sandeepshetty barnabywalters: http://indiewebcamp.com/pubsub the complexity is on the subscriber..
# barnabywalters the complexity + effort is going to be on the subscriber whatever happens
# sandeepshetty publishers can solve the static problem with polling as well by delegating their feed urls to aggregators
# sandeepshetty buth the complexity is different with polling vs pushing..
# barnabywalters so is the effort
# sandeepshetty so you think implementing a polling subsciber is harder than implementing a PuSH style subscriber?
# sandeepshetty Iwould rather implement a polling subscriber only and not have to deal with keeping track of secret key, subscription ttls, etc
# barnabywalters that is the nice thing, the two work fine alongside each other
# sandeepshetty why implement 2 things when 1 works across the board?
# barnabywalters tommorris: sites not implementing PuSH is not a big deal for subscribers if the hubs are done right
# sandeepshetty especially when the last mile with PuSH is a poll?
# barnabywalters sandeepshetty: I’m not advocating any one person implementing both
# barnabywalters unless they really want to
# barnabywalters push last mile is a poll for the hubs only, not the subscribers
# sandeepshetty barnabywalters: http://thelimberlambda.com/2009/08/10/pubsubhubbub-hullabaloo/ " PSHB is a server-to-server protocol. If you’re behind NAT, you’re not really a server. While we’ve kicked around ideas for optional PSHB extensions to do hanging gets ("long polling") and/or messagebox polling for such clients, it’s not in the core spec. The core spec is server-to-server only"
# sandeepshetty so you either open a browser to see the update (which is a pull) or you write a client to do something like long-polling...
# sandeepshetty last mile = yor server to your browser
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# sandeepshetty aslo re " I disagree with a lot of the downsides to push you are citing on push-vs-pull — many of them are dealt with by using a hub-based approach" the hub based approach is just pushing all the complexity under the carpet... its still there just hidden away with an indirection.. and when a hub goes out of business or you decide to do it your self... that's when the complexity matters..
# sandeepshetty The last mile problem exists because designed it solve "their" problems with feed aggregation not for the subscribers.
# sandeepshetty I meant:The last mile problem exists because Google engineers designed PuSH to solve "their" problems with feed aggregation not for the subscribers.
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# @sandeepshetty @blaine Jotted down some notes here http://indiewebcamp.com/push-vs-pull
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# @sandeepshetty Very interesting discussion on Federation Protocols http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-fedsocweb/2013May/0058.html #fedsocweb #indiewebcamp
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@unhosted @pcab50 ah super, thanks! added here: http://indiewebcamp.com/business-models#Other
# @unhosted RT @sandeepshetty: Very interesting discussion on Federation Protocols http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-fedsocweb/2013May/0058.html #fedsocweb #indiewebcamp
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# @sandeepshetty Help me with ActivityStreams use cases beyond the 4 listed here from an #indieweb perspective https://github.com/converspace/recentchanges/
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@OriPekelman RT @sandeepshetty: Very interesting discussion on Federation Protocols http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-fedsocweb/2013May/0058.html #fedsocweb #indiewebcamp
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@clacke RT @sandeepshetty: Very interesting discussion on Federation Protocols http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-fedsocweb/2013May/0058.html #fedsocweb #indiewebcamp
# michielbdejong eschnou: who do you refer to when you wrote "A big chunk of the thought leaders got hired by major companies in a very short period of time. In fact, most of them went to Google." ? did any of these people make public statements about that?
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# pdurbin "Ironic that IndieAuth is using all non-Indie profiles to validate the auth." -- https://plus.google.com/107770072576338242009/posts/XHAQqzRQW9k
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# eschnou cweiske, openid in indieauth has been disabled due to some issue, noe one took time to fix it yet
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# eschnou cweiske, so yes, indieauth is based on mutual rel="me" links for delegation
# eschnou cweiske, well, the idea of indieauth is to leverage silos to login in a non silo :-)
# eschnou more people have a twitter account than an openid one
# eschnou cweiske, I 100% agree with you and I'm really saddened by the lack of openid support
# eschnou cweiske, would love a pull request to fix it :-)
# eschnou pdurbin, not all profiles have been tcoed yet... but you are correct ,indieauth should auto expand the links... that's another great pull-request :-)
# eschnou no
# eschnou well, aaronpk is definitively aware, but feel free to add an issue if it is not there already
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# @sandeepshetty Making the case for the #indieweb approach http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-fedsocweb/2013May/0076.html
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@pcab50 RT @sandeepshetty: Very interesting discussion on Federation Protocols http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-fedsocweb/2013May/0058.html #fedsocweb #indiewebcamp
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@michielbdejong .@sandeepshetty i think a "polyglot" approach to identifying web users would be even better: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-fedsocweb/2013May/0077.html #indieweb #fedsocweb
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# @sandeepshetty .@michielbdejong The polyglot "adapter" approach comes with high "costs": http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-fedsocweb/2013May/0078.html #ifedsocweb #indieweb
# michielbdejong sandeepshetty: we should syndicate that mailing list to our twitter accounts :)
# sandeepshetty :)
# sandeepshetty didn't know you were in #indieweb :)
# michielbdejong recent arrival :)
# sandeepshetty yeah I remember now.. non-profit hosting right?
# sandeepshetty michielbdejong: I see unhosted is sponsered by nlnet... I see that name often in the fedsocweb space... they seem to doing some great work supports projects like these...
# michielbdejong sandeepshetty: yes!
# michielbdejong i'm applying for Shuttleworth Foundation now, that would be really cool. but nlnet have helped us a lot so far
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# michielbdejong for the hosting i'm setting up a fake TLD, .un.ht, where people can easily get their own domain name and set up PESOS in a few clicks, free of charge.
# michielbdejong email forwarding and xmpp hosting would also be free, then maybe also offer some things for pay.
# sandeepshetty when you say "easily" you mean for "free"? Cause it could be just as easy to buy a regular domain...
# sandeepshetty (I used to manage the platform for one of the top 10 registrars in the world)
# sandeepshetty yep. why do you ask?
# sandeepshetty cweiske: ass yourself to http://indiewebcamp.com/IRC-people
# sandeepshetty oops!
# sandeepshetty s/ass/add
# sandeepshetty You can add an a with a disply:none
# sandeepshetty yeah I was forced to add the "Elsewhere" blurb on my homepage: http://sandeep.shetty.in/
# sandeepshetty There are todo items to fix this though: http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieAuth#To_do
# sandeepshetty I don't think they'll implement support for a link tag.. I had asked about the same thing... the anchor is supposed ot be more trustworthy by virtue of it being visible... (but then again you can display:none" it)
# michielbdejong sandeepshetty: i think the payment is a significant threshold, but we would also probably become a reseller for other TLDs, yes. whatever people want that helps them be more independent from silos, we'll try to offer it. whether for free, or against cost price.
# michielbdejong but there is a large group of people who cannot join the indie web because they have no creditcard
# michielbdejong cweiske: yes, that's true. but that's restricted to people who know how to use git
# sandeepshetty Let me know if you decide to be a reseller and I could connect you to someone at resellerclub.com and hopefully get you a good price.
# michielbdejong sandeepshetty: thanks! i'll remember that
# michielbdejong cweiske: yes, imho wordpress is a big force for good on the web
# sandeepshetty also if you getting funded you could also look at trying to get a community TLD http://icannwiki.com/index.php/Community_TLD
# sandeepshetty The lack of sleep is getting to me now.. I'm missing chars all over the place :D
# michielbdejong sandeepshetty: yeah, but if we get 100,000 usd then there are a lot of other things we could do with that ;)
# sandeepshetty I haven't followed the new GTLD process closely but its that like anamount to guarantee your legit?
# sandeepshetty I meant: I haven't followed the new GTLD process closely but is that like an amount to guarantee you're legit?
# michielbdejong they just require you to pay a lot of money. it's a good 'proof-of-work' to keep too many people from registering a TLD.
# michielbdejong being recognized by icann instead of having to sublet from Haiti (.un.ht falls under .ht) would be nice from a political point of view, but technically it doesn't change anything
# @sandeepshetty Great podcast on Push vs "Pull" with @steveklabnik &
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Loqi @veganstraightedge. Thanks Shane for adding it to #indieweb wiki http://indiewebcamp.com/push-vs-pull
# michielbdejong tommorris: can't find it, link?
# sandeepshetty I'm sure a lof of people made a lot of money from it including icann.
# sandeepshetty Ok I'm outta here... later!
# barnabywalters sandeepshetty: good night :)
# barnabywalters thanks for all your work on the push vs pull page
# sandeepshetty Not actually sleeping... Spending sometime with my 2 yr old :) and wll be back online in a few hrs...
# barnabywalters oh wonderful!
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# barnabywalters This tweet by Ryan Singer nicely sums up my feelings about almost all the discussions in the fedsocweb email list: https://twitter.com/rjs/status/340166272262238208
# Loqi ALMOST ALL THE DISCUSSIONS http://loqi.me/7N1
# eschnou barnabywalters, This makes me want to add a "quote" kind of post in storytlr :-)
# barnabywalters one of the things I love about #indiewebcamp is the strong UX focus
# barnabywalters eschnou: I just use notes with <blockquotes> in, auto-tagged with “quote” :)
# eschnou barnabywalters, taht's another issue I have, my 'notes' are text only. A historical design choice to maintain compatibility with twitter.
# barnabywalters well, it could be that that’s actually a really good choice
# eschnou looking at yesterday's discussion.. maybe indeed :-)
# barnabywalters but seeing as quoting is the generic indieweb version of silo-centric retweeting/posting/sharing/tumblring, certainly +1 for quote content type!
# barnabywalters btw eschnou, how quickly/easily does all the great stuff you’re implementing in storytlr propagate out to the other people using it?
# barnabywalters e.g. could erinjo easily get indieweb commenting working by running an update?
# barnabywalters woah I just noticed we broke 40 members! nice — it’s great having more faces around here :)
# eschnou it depends: the latest stable release is 1.2 and doesn't have any of this, I wanted to take time to test/stabilize all these new federation features before releasing 1.3, because once it the wild it is more difficult to change.
# eschnou but I also have a devel build per commit: http://repo.eschnou.com/storytlr/devel/epel/6/x86_64/
# eschnou only rpms at the moment, need to look into packaging the debs as well someday.
# barnabywalters pump.io = activitystreams + webfinger :/
# eschnou + a custome solution for cross domain messaging, evan decided not to use salmon (that's probably a good idea)
# barnabywalters not my favourite combination, but evanpro has a history of doing pretty great stuff
# barnabywalters cweiske: for login email is still fine (<3 persona). as primary way of referencing people on the web, they suck
# barnabywalters (spoken from personal experience trying to both publish and consume webfinger)
# barnabywalters cweiske: RE multiple people on my domain: not going to *or* subdomains
# barnabywalters cweiske: but all the benefits of being an ACTUAL WEB ADDRESS
# barnabywalters ease of publishing, consuming, understanding
# barnabywalters http://indiewebcamp.com/webfinger#Use_of_email_address-like_IDs lists several reasons, and links to another page which lists even more reasons
# barnabywalters complexity and DRY-violation is a reason
# eschnou morning aaronpk :-) must be tough to live in a -8 TZ, you must always feel late to the party :-)
# aaronpk eschnou: pdurbin: cweiske: tommorris: regarding IndieAuth+OpenID, documented a little bit here https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth/issues/16
# aaronpk 1) make a GET request to http://parecki.com and look for an HTTP header or <link> tag that defines the profile URL template. e.g. <link rel="TBD" template="http://parecki.com/profile/
{user}"># aaronpk 2) make a GET request to http://parecki.com/profile/aaron, which would contain an h-card with whatever information the server chooses to expose
# Loqi !calc 2) make a GET request to http://parecki.com/profile/aaron, which would contain an h-card with whatever information the server chooses to expose
# barnabywalters aaronpk: what problem are you solving?
# barnabywalters aaronpk: that problem is solved by persona
# michielbdejong aaronpk: i like it. but i think it would only be useful that way it http://parecki.com/ would be a page about several people @parecki.com, which you could then pull through that template to get the avatar etc. of each.
# michielbdejong if you are the only person at your domain then there is no need to do the extra hop to /profile/>{user}
# michielbdejong yes, that's lucky :)
# michielbdejong i use "anything@", and ironically it is the only email address that works on my domain :)
# michielbdejong yeah, agree
# michielbdejong i don't care too much about what exact formats people want to use, in the end it's all so simple that it's easy to translate
# michielbdejong right. i made this people search engine, useraddress.net, which can understand 5 different formats: xrd, rdf, html, turtle and json.
# michielbdejong it seems to have successfully extracted your full name from http://aaronparecki.com/
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# michielbdejong aaronpk: hm, i should at least make it parse <meta property="og:image" content="http://aaronparecki.com/images/aaronpk-512.jpg">
# michielbdejong tantek: i took a few examples and tried to parse them, probably none of the examples i used had an og:image meta property at the time
# michielbdejong there was no bias in choosing which things it looks for, i just tried to get my examples to work :)
# michielbdejong ah right, it could use <img class="photo logo u-photo" src="http://aaronparecki.com/images/aaronpk.png" alt="Aaron Parecki" /> instead
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# tantek e.g. http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieAuth#Issues is not too hard to discover :)
# michielbdejong great!
# michielbdejong yes, the DRY principle. learning about that now. :)
# michielbdejong https://github.com/glennjones/microformat-node is what i need
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# @BarnabyWalters It’s funny — people are saying so much about the #indieweb/federated social web not being a “Facebook Killer”, and… http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/1480/
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# aaronpk barnabywalters: I just sent a pingback to http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/1480/ -- what do you do with those?
# barnabywalters that way I have them all, then when I enable comments I can run a script which retroactively turns them all into comments
# barnabywalters and I also have comment data for all my old diaspora posts I rage-exported
# barnabywalters so I’ll use those to test comment styling
# barnabywalters yeah, it’s nasty
# barnabywalters php domdocument doesn’t like unicode unless you use this one old weird hack
# @sandeepshetty "build stuff which kills your own FB usage before trying to kill facebook" - @BarnabyWalters http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/1480/ #indieweb #fedsocweb
# barnabywalters thanks
# barnabywalters I have a longer one in the making addressing the network effect fallacy
# sandeepshetty :)
# barnabywalters tantek: huh, I’d like to see an example/test case
# barnabywalters ah, not watched that
# barnabywalters I meant the DOMDocument thing ;)
# barnabywalters “build me a test case of inventing facebook resulting in facebook being invented” — that actually sounds like something which I would say
# @t THIS: "... build stuff which kills your own Facebook usage before trying to kill FB." #indieweb http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/1480 (ttk.me t4QG1)
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@fdevillamil RT @t: THIS: "... build stuff which kills your own Facebook usage before trying to kill FB." #indieweb http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/1480 (ttk.me t4QG1)
# barnabywalters tantek: that and “we actually care about UX” ;)
# barnabywalters (see previously quoted Ryan Singer tweet)
# barnabywalters quoted in IRC — I’ll find it
# barnabywalters actually that’s good enough to quote on WPC
# tantek pdurbin - suggestions welcome: http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/#Suggestions
# barnabywalters indeed
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# aaronpk barnabywalters: you should totally submit this to indienews http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/1480/
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cweiske the latest spec hard-code the location to /.well-known/webfinger?rel=acct:user@example.org
# cweiske my implementation is at https://github.com/pear/Net_Webfinger
# aaronpk simple examples and description, like how http://webmention.org/ describes webmention
# 
@dietrich RT @t: THIS: "... build stuff which kills your own Facebook usage before trying to kill FB." #indieweb http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/1480 (ttk.me t4QG1)
# pdurbin cweiske: YAML and https://github.com/pdurbin/scripts/blob/master/playdates
# barnabywalters I run my own cardDAV server, which is about as portable as I need
# barnabywalters SabreDAV
# barnabywalters Address Book on mac/iOS
# barnabywalters I don’t have a web interface at the moment
# barnabywalters currently doing lots of work on contacts stuff on Taproot
# barnabywalters aaronpk: way ahead of you :)
# barnabywalters been running a caldav server for just as long
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# aaronpk for example, these two replies will have added sandeepsheet and benwerd to the #indieweb group on my site http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/05/29/3/indieweb http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/05/30/1/indieweb
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# @eschnou for the last 5 years of me having http://t.co/dTMx3NBbPL, barely anyone ever commented on my items... and then.. the #indieweb happened :-)
# eschnou gggrrrr twitter... i HATE your t.co.. stop touching my links!!!
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# wycats hello
# wycats I'm going through the 12 step process to figure out how to update my blog with rel=me
# wycats funtimes!
# tantek it's a 3 step process: http://microformats.org/wiki/web-sign-in#set_up :P
# wycats there are more steps to log into my server
# wycats update my wordpress theme
# wycats etc.
# wycats I have a git repo and stuff
# wycats truth
# wycats aaronpk: I told tantek that I met him years ago and complained about the adoption characteristics of microformats
# wycats now here I am in a 12 step process to add microformats to log in
# wycats :P
# wycats Google hasn't been able to persuade me to add it :p
# wycats I'm too lazy
# wycats I have to update my blog!
# tantek aaronpk - while you're there … http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/#Bug_Fixes
# wycats I never update it
# wycats hm I have an idea
# wycats I can just change it from the admin
# wycats in wordpress
# wycats I already updated git
# wycats :p
# wycats I am sad
# tantek wycats - if you're not about updating your own site, perhaps consider http://indiewebcamp.com/why
# wycats tantek: O_O
# wycats tantek: I just installed a CMS
# wycats that's allowed ;)
# wycats anyway
# wycats problem
# wycats I added rel=me
# wycats indieauth claims it cannot find it
# wycats http://yehudakatz.com
# wycats :/
# wycats add redirect code plz
# wycats there was a problem on the other side too
# wycats I originally put in www.yehudakatz.com
# tantek wycats - are you able to sign into http://tantek.com/relmeauth/ with your URL?
# wycats "Was expecting a 200 and instead got a 301 Was expecting a 200 and instead got a 301 Was expecting a 200 and instead got a 301 None of your providers are supported. Tried http://www.twitter.com/wycats."
# wycats I suppose I need to use https
# wycats one doubt
# wycats this seems too hard
# tantek right you want https://twitter.com/wycats
# tantek wycats - you did the odd thing there with http://www.twitter.com/wycats"
# wycats hm
# tantek which, if you go to http://www.twitter.com/wycats
# tantek redirects nicely to https://twitter.com/wycats
# wycats the URL was already in my page
# wycats I just added the rel=me
# wycats this just means you should add redirect support
# wycats "None of your providers are supported. Tried https://twitter.com/wycats."
# wycats hahaha
# wycats unknown
# wycats I probably just guessed
# wycats and it never failed
# wycats ^^ still not working
# tantek hmm - and now it's broken for me with /relmeauth
# wycats you should eat and such
# wycats tantek: indieweb seems > unhosted apps
# wycats as a meme
# wycats unhosted apps raise many concerns from me about URLs
# wycats packaged apps and unhosted apps
# wycats #ourweb
# wycats I don't want to lose the web
# wycats "2017-04-30 Google and Facebook "might completely disappear"[5]"
# tantek wycats - for indieauth, either you can wait until Aaronpk resolves http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieAuth#Twitter_t.co, or you can add a github profile link to your home page with rel=me (surprised you don't already have a github profile link, since you are a big fan ;) )
# wycats O_O
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# tantek wycats, there's also a third option, you could submit a patch for https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth/issues/7 :)
# wycats hangs head
# wycats tantek: this was also the status of microformats last time we talked about them ;)
# wycats I troll too much
# wycats I'm sorry
# wycats just lots of implementation messiness
# wycats yes
# wycats but this is my first entry point into it
# wycats tantek: :)
# wycats seems good
# wycats c
# wycats but I need it to edit the wiki
# tantek so three options to editing the wiki: 1. wait for https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth/issues/7 to be resolved, 2. add github profile rel me link to your home page, 3. fix https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth/issues/7 :)
# wycats tantek: (1) and (3) seem suspiciously hard ;)
# wycats github sounds good
# wycats wilco
# wycats added github
# wycats nada
# wycats should I remove Twitter?
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# 
@gRegorLove So Xanga is pretty much dead. I'll be surprised if the fundraiser works. http://thexangateam.xanga.com/773587240/relaunching-xanga-a-fundraiser/ #indieweb
# wycats no dice on http://tantek.com/relmeauth/
# wycats "None of your providers are supported. Tried https://twitter.com/wycats, https://github.com/wycats."
# wycats I feel really bad about bothering you
# wycats http://i.imgur.com/y4g2OxD.png
# wycats ah my github profile has www
# aaronpk lol! your github points to http://www.yehudakatz.com/ instead of http://yehudakatz.com/
# wycats zomg
# wycats http://i.imgur.com/uc9dJbF.jpg
# wycats a wild successful login appear
# wycats appears
# wycats we have now proved that TAG members are capable of using IndieAuth
# wycats :p
# wycats what about regular users?
# wycats hahaha
# wycats I am logged in to indiewebcamp.com
# wycats I am stress-testing the web's infrastructure
# wycats it turns out that redirects don't work as well as advertised
# wycats :p
# wycats the architecture is totally fine :P :P :P
# wycats the infrastructure is failing the architecture amirite
# wycats communism doesn't fail you, you fail communism
# aaronpk we need a !g service https://github.com/zenirc
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# marjolein is away: in my hammock ZZZZZzzzzz.....