#indiewebcamp

2013-06-21

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@haxor
@ade_oshineye Good list, especially theology. Makes me think of the #indieweb. Wondering what the list is really for~ ()
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glennjones.net
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glennjones.net
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@glennjones
Could not make this years @indiewebcamp in Portland, but looks like there will be one in Brighton http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/UK - 8th Sept ()
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@gavinwye
Looks like I'll be sticking around in Brighton after @dconstruct for @indiewebcamp Brighton http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/UK ()
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@brightonews
RT @glennjones: Could not make this years @indiewebcamp in Portland, but looks like there will be one in Brighton http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/UK -… ()
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@drksvnt
Indie Web Projects http://indiewebcamp.com/projects ()
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Loqi
barnabywalters: tantek left you a message 9 hours, 17 minutes ago: - what do you think of adding an "id" param to the php-mf2 parser which would only parse the DOM node with that "id"?
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pfefferle
just hacked a simple wordpress plugin which adds very basic microformats-2 support to any wordpress theme: https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-uf2
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barnabywalters
!tell tantek RE php-mf2 id param — good plan, either that or give it a DOMNode as context and parse everything under that only. Will raise as issue.
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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barnabywalters
pfefferle: that’s great!
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pfefferle
thanks
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tommorris
was just about to note that tantek's suggestion has the potential for madness, but then read closer.
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pfefferle
not as good as a real mf2 theme… but ok
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barnabywalters
tommorris: how so?
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tommorris
working out the current ID context of embedded data (microformats and RDFa) is painful. the RDFa spec is complicated because of that kind of context stuff
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barnabywalters
pfefferle: hey, if it makes adding microformats *even easier* than it already is, it can’t be a bad thing :)
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pfefferle
yes, but i can't access all values through the actions and filters :(
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tommorris
because @id is overloaded to mean both fragment identifier and to mean "blob of page I want to style". it's invisible metadata
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@gavinwye
Just got @bywordapp set up to publish direct to Wordpress now all my notes can actually live somewhere #indieweb ()
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tommorris
and the semantic folks use @id one way, and then web designers come in and start slathering the page with more @id's for styling and crazy shit happens
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barnabywalters
tommorris: no more so than @class, surely? not sure I understand the problem properly
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pfefferle
barnabywalters: can you send me just another webmention/pingback? i think everything should be work fine now...
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barnabywalters
pfefferle: doing
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tommorris
barnabywalters: class is easier because classes are additive rather than exclusive
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pfefferle
i think what tantek meant was, if it is possible to pass an id to the parser so it doesn't have to parse the whole document
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tommorris
yep, and that's why it's okay. ;)
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melvster
tommorris: are @id's not additive?
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tommorris
nope.
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tommorris
<div id="foo"><div id="bar"><span></span></div></div>
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melvster
hmm i use @about in my homepage
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tommorris
the ID of the span is... bar
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tommorris
hence why RDFa has @about. ;)
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melvster
yeah that seems cleaner
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melvster
it also means i can put my public key in my document, so i can use PKI
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pfefferle
what about also using the <main> tag, to decrease the html parsing overload?
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melvster
pfefferle: is there a performance problem? you can put stuff in the HEAD iirc
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melvster
sorry i mean you can put stuff in headers
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pfefferle
don't know, thought there is one, because tantek mentioned the id-thing
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pfefferle
barnabywalter: i think i have to fix the image placement of my theme: http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4QbH5C/ :)
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cweiske
barnabywalters, why is pfefferle's time not linked?
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pfefferle
oh, didn't mention that...
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barnabywalters
ha ha yes :) RE not linked: probably because the parser isn’t picking up a u-url and I’m not using the source webmention URI there for some reason
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pfefferle
oh, do i have to add a u-url?
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cweiske
there shouldn't be the need for it IMO
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barnabywalters
pfefferle: it’s a good plan, I should have auto-detected it but it makes your content more portable
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barnabywalters
pfefferle: got “webmention successfully received” :)
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pfefferle
received! awesome! the only problem: you are using relative links for your hash-tags
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pfefferle
the parser only fixes the u-links?
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barnabywalters
pfefferle: at the moment yes, over the weekend I’ll make it resolve *all* relative URIs
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pfefferle
cool, thanks
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pfefferle
next step: profile pics and custom comment types (like, reply, mention)
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pfefferle
oh, even self-webmentions are working fine :)
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pdurbin
selfies
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pfefferle
;)
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acegiak
ok back for fixe minutes. need to work out what's wrong with my pingbacks and webmentions
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pfefferle
acegiak: tested it with barnabywalters and it seems to work in both directions on my installation
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acegiak
pfefferle, yeah there's something up with my install
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@MIKA_GMR
“Own your data.” IndieWebCamp http://indiewebcamp.com/Main_Page#What_is_the_IndieWeb.3F ()
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Loqi
sandeepshetty: tantek left you a message 5 hours, 45 minutes ago: per even the definitions you looked up, share (self) does not make sense, not to mention the differences in emotional context between, self, send to a small few, and publish publicly.
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sandeepshetty
is feeling under the weather... hoping it doesn't stop him from remotely attending #indiewebcamp
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@TeaWithCarl
@copiesofcopies ()
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sandeepshetty
I've created a new branch for webmention 0.2. Here is a quick summary of changes: http://www.sandeep.io/71 Looking for feedback from implementors. Points 3, 4 and 5 there are the main changes.
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eschnou.com
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sandeepshetty
oh and also the note about updating existing webmentions
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pfefferle
sandeepshetty: I like that you removed the "html or json" error response types
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sandeepshetty
yeah as was notes on the wiki, it will normally be seen by a human for debugging.. I split errors into 400 and 500 so that you can retry reqeusts that you got 500 error for
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sandeepshetty
s/notes/noted
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Loqi
sandeepshetty meant to say: yeah as was noted on the wiki, it will normally be seen by a human for debugging.. I split errors into 400 and 500 so that you can retry reqeusts that you got 500 error for
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pfefferle
sounds good
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sandeepshetty
also the note about updating webmentions is imp so that we can have the ability to update comments on remote site and unlike stuff we might have liked before
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pfefferle
oh man… that means a lot more work to do ;)
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sandeepshetty
it's not actually...
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sandeepshetty
The update is as simple as INSERT INTO ... ON DUPLICATE KEY UPDATE ..
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pfefferle
yea, but have to be implemented ;)
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sandeepshetty
yeah.. if we want it to be as useful as centralized commenting and likes :)
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pfefferle
no seriously, it is very useful to do it like that! I am changing and extending my blogposts a lot!
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sandeepshetty
yeah I had a case where I changed a comment after sending the webmention and one where I changed a like to a comment later :D
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erikmaarten
sandeepshetty: Does the updating of comments really need to be part of the specification? Perhaps some would rather not update comments after they are made?
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cweiske
webmention should not say anything about what happens afterwards
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pfefferle
sandeepshetty: have you fully implemented web mentions in coverspace?
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sandeepshetty
Pingback disallowed resending the same ping (with a special error code for it)...
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cweiske
that's correct
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sandeepshetty
with webmention you can choose to not implement it but it is recommended...
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sandeepshetty
I'll change the language to reflect that... it's imp from the real world case of editing comments
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: Not yet.. but will this weekend
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cweiske
upating is important IMO
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pfefferle
i like your ideas with u-like!!!
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sandeepshetty
and if it's not in the spec then the resending case is ambiguous and if you make it an error like pingback then you can't have updates
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cweiske
but sandeepshetty, it should be up to the application how to handle that case
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: I'm moving away from using them :) experiementing with simple mentions and comments only
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cweiske
If it does not support updates, it may send out an error
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cweiske
if it supports it, it will just say "accepted"
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sandeepshetty
cweiske: yes which is why I might make it a MAY
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pfefferle
but the spec should say that it is possible to send a mention again for updating
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sandeepshetty
I think a SHOULD is better
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sandeepshetty
will make those changes later today
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sandeepshetty
I'm currently editing some other minor stuff in it to make it coherent
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pfefferle
what do you mean with "simple mentions"??
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pfefferle
sandeepshetty: soo sad… wanted to experiment with likes this weekend :(
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: you should..
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sandeepshetty
I still accept them just that I might not be publishing likes.. I'm leaning towards commenting on a post rather than just liking it
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pfefferle
thats true but sometimes you want to share a link and want to say that you like the idea!?!
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: with simple mentions I meant just saying next to the post that this linked was mentioned in all these places (along with author photo, dt-published, etc.)
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pfefferle
ah ok
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sandeepshetty
So I think it's important to separate social verbs based on what signal you want to give and to whom
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pfefferle
yes
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sandeepshetty
like and share have subtle differences.. but I think I prefer sending simpler signals now :)
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pfefferle
acegiak had a nice idea to convert wordings like @http://.… to <a href="" class="u-in-reply-to"> or <3 http://... to <a href="" class="u-like">
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pfefferle
http://pastebin.com/nap0LewA
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sandeepshetty
I was meaning to talk to you all about that... I thought @http://.. was a way to tell the editor/filter to turn it into a in-reply-to?
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sandeepshetty
I like that syntax for systems where you can't edit html
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pfefferle
yes and it's markdown like
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sandeepshetty
I was toying with (Y) for likes...
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pfefferle
you can parse the site for the p-name before saving it so it would be displayed nicely
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sandeepshetty
I like the idea, looking forward to seeing your implementations.. I might try using @ as well this weekend
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pfefferle
for example @http://notizblog.org/2013/06/18/the-rise-of-the-indieweb/ is becoming <a href="http://notizblog.org/2013/06/18/the-rise-of-the-indieweb/" class="u-in-reply-to">The rise of the IndieWeb</a>
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sandeepshetty
(i use markdown)
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pfefferle
i know ;)
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pfefferle
i stalked your github page ;)
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sandeepshetty
:)
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sandeepshetty
I"m really glad there is so much wordpress action happening with this indieweb stuff.. it makes it accessible to lot of non-tech creators.
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sandeepshetty
bbiab (working on implementing showing comments)
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pfefferle
sandeepshetty: hopefully!
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pfefferle
sandeepshetty: why? i like the json output ;)
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: lol :)
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sandeepshetty
API first design
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sandeepshetty
is fixing stupid css issues
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@TeaWithCarl
@eschnou Laurent - are you going to participate in #indieweb "remotely" from France/Belgium? Do you know if there's live videocasting? ()
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@eschnou
@TeaWithCarl Belgium :-) I will try to be around, at least on IRC, they do plan a remote feed but nothing confirmed yet. #indieweb ()
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acegiak
sandeepshetty: i cant acd to the wiki. can you add whisperfollow to the projects page for me?
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sandeepshetty
sure.. details?
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josephboyle.net
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sandeepshetty
acegiak: should I put it under http://indiewebcamp.com/Projects#experimental ? How many users using it (need this to figure out sort order)? URL to project and personal domains of users using it
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josephboyle.net
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josephboyle.net
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josephboyle.net
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sandeepshetty
acegiak: and a short discription. should I just add http://wordpress.org/plugins/whisperfollow/ ?
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josephboyle.net
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Loqi
tantek: barnabywalters left you a message 5 hours, 4 minutes ago: RE php-mf2 id param — good plan, either that or give it a DOMNode as context and parse everything under that only. Will raise as issue.
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acegiak
sandeep, i only know of myself machinespirit.net/acegiak using it personally and wordpress.org only gives me download numbers not continuing usage
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sandeepshetty
Not sure if it should go under a plugins section under Wordpress or a separate project? There's also the /wordpress page where indieweb pluging could be added... suggestions?
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pfefferle
a plugin section would nice. so others can set up their indieweb server with wordpress and a bunch of plugins
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pfefferle
perhaps we can categorise it
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pfefferle
POSSE plugins, Webmention plugins, ...
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acegiak
url is http://wordpress.org/plugins/whisperfollow/
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acegiak
and yeah experimental
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acegiak
god i am on the worst connection
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acegiak
short description: wordpress based social aggregator currently supports rss, atom and pubsubhubbub
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acegiak
also, were you guys discussing the thing i modded on pfefferles theme to use <3 as a shortcode for likes?
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sandeepshetty
yeah... check the logs
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acegiak
will do when i have a less shitty connection. im keen to read your opinions
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acegiak
ill hit the saxk and look on my actual desktop in the moening
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acegiak
night
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sandeepshetty
I like the idea.. I was toying with (Y) but I like the idea of syntax to add mf2 when you can't edit html
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Loqi
[mention] http://pdxmob.com/indiewebcamp-2013/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/Guest_List (pingback)
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Loqi
[mention] http://pdxmob.com/indiewebcamp-2013/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/Schedule (pingback)
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www.sandeep.io
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sandeepshetty
acegiak: I use php-markdown-extra so I can do things like [Link Text](link){.in-reply-to}
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pdurbin
I like the <table> support in php-markdown-extra. it works in ikiwiki
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sandeepshetty
yep I also used footnote recently
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sandeepshetty
also fenced code blocks (very useful when you mix lists and code blocks)
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notizblog.org
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: adding mf2 theme stuff as well?
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notizblog.org
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pfefferle
sandeepshetty: oh yes, thanks
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notizblog.org
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pfefferle
sandeepshetty: do you think it's ok like that?
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sandeepshetty
nice! good job adding links to all the plugins :
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pfefferle
do you know any more?
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sandeepshetty
nope. Not sure how wispherfollow fits in... and at some point we could also categorize plugings by http://indiewebcamp.com/building-blocks
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pfefferle
thats what i tried
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sandeepshetty
my bad I was thinking of comments as a building block
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sandeepshetty
what you've done is perfect compared to that page
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pfefferle
ah ok, i see… we could use sub cats if the posts section gets big enough
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sandeepshetty
barnabywalters: I see you "liking" stuff on twitter. Do you use it as a bookmark?
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sandeepshetty
s/liking/fav
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Loqi
sandeepshetty meant to say: barnabywalters: I see you "fav" stuff on twitter. Do you use it as a bookmark?
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barnabywalters
sandeepshetty: no, http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes?tagged=bookmark are my bookmarks
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barnabywalters
liking on twitter is either emotional response or positive reinforcement
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sandeepshetty
got it.
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: Re "sometimes you want to share a link and want to say that you like the idea" isn't sharing itself saying that you like the idea? Why would you share if you don't like it? and how is sharing+like different from sharing plus adding a comment?
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: trying to figure out how you think/feel about these things...
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pfefferle
i won't say so… sometimes you share a link because you want to mention a bad example
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pfefferle
that means share != like
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sandeepshetty
yeah .. I though you might have that example in mind so I added that last question..
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pfefferle
;)
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barnabywalters
it’s the “do I like the status update about my friend’s grandads’s funeral” thing
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sandeepshetty
doesn't it make sense then to have a comment on your share that explicity says this is a bad example?
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barnabywalters
what message is that sending?
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barnabywalters
like/bookmark/favourite/share… the semantics and presentation of each is so fragmented
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sandeepshetty
I'm guessing you *will* need to have a comment saying it's a bad example so the lack of a like along with it doesn't say much right?
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pfefferle
that's perhaps a bad example… I about something like "Facebook even gets more evil and changed his tos once again"
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sandeepshetty
barnabywalters: what do you mean by fragmented? I think of them as having subtle differences.
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barnabywalters
yes, they have subtle differences, each tied to a particular silo
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sandeepshetty
ah I see what you mean...
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sandeepshetty
like using fav for bookmarking is just a workaround on twitter?
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barnabywalters
can I do the equivalent of a facebook “like” on twitter? is there a way of sending the same message? and vice versa, for all silos+verbs
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: what would you do with that post? share and !like or just share or something else?
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pfefferle
I wouldn't use something like dislike
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sandeepshetty
barnabywalters: I think the twitter fav is very similar to the facebook like, both are meant to be primarily signals to the orignal poster (and not to your audience)
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pfefferle
I think I would call it a share
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: so whats an example of when you need share and like together?
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pfefferle
your post about using u-like ;)
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barnabywalters
sandeepshetty: twitter fav !== fb like. Likes influence future advertising, future content, might show up on friends’ streams. favs are not broadcast, might influence ads but don’t influence future content
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melvster
wait a share is not a like, a like is a +1
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melvster
a share posts to your wall
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melvster
time line
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melvster
news feed
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melvster
activity stream
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melvster
whatever you call it
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sandeepshetty
barnabywalters: ah you also talking off system side-effects
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barnabywalters
sandeepshetty: *tangible*, *direct* effects
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barnabywalters
seeing more content in your feed is a direct effect
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barnabywalters
showing up on friend’s feeds is a direct effect
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grawity
Twitter favs are kind of broadcast, just not in the main timeline
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barnabywalters
twitter fav has no such effect
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barnabywalters
unless people actively seek them out
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grawity
(https://twitter.com/activity)
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pfefferle
agreed, the twitter pendant to like is retweet ;)
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barnabywalters
I found some great audio interviews with fb engineers which cover the multitude of effects liking things have, will try to post later
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sandeepshetty
grawity: I see nothing on /activity because I don't follow anyone publicly... I have private lists..
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barnabywalters
pfefferle: nope, retweet and like are very different again
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barnabywalters
retweet doesn’t effect the future contents of your feed
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barnabywalters
more like fb’s “share”
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sandeepshetty
barnabywalters, pfefferle: I agree retweet = share
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pfefferle
on that perspective yes i thought more about the counters behind the buttons
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sandeepshetty
it's a signal to *your* audience and a show of support to the original poster by exposing them to your audeince
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barnabywalters
that is one of the few examples of these “activities” which is vaguely consistent between silos
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sandeepshetty
share = retweet = reblog
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barnabywalters
still, the two are used in extremely different ways purely due to UI and UX differences
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barnabywalters
e.g. twitter almost guarantees your posts showing up in order, so you can retweet a bunch of tweets then reply to/comment on them all publicly in one go
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barnabywalters
!todo find examples, document on the wiki
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barnabywalters
fb has no such guarantee, and so people don’t tend to do that
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: I like how Like is a low friction way to give feedback to the original author (without involving your audience)...
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sandeepshetty
barnabywalters: I though you could sort your fb feed...
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pfefferle
your and his audience
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sandeepshetty
by recency as well
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barnabywalters
sandeepshetty: but it’s up to user choice. so not consistent between users
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sandeepshetty
right
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barnabywalters
some will see them in order, others will see random disconnected posts
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sandeepshetty
but since comments are nested does it matter?
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barnabywalters
say you retweeted some stuff you strongly disagree with, to then comment on. Wouldn’t happen on FB due to danger of people not seeing comments
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pfefferle
agreed
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sandeepshetty
on fb you would share by additing additional text.. can't do it on twitter much because of char limit
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pfefferle
thats also true
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sandeepshetty
the twitter one is a work around
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barnabywalters
indeed, but it shows that the two actions are not consistent
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barnabywalters
they mean different things, due to very real UX differences
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sandeepshetty
I think they are consistent is who it's directed at...
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pfefferle
and often people doesn't see replys on twitter either
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sandeepshetty
share and retweets are directed at your audience/followers
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sandeepshetty
like/fav is directed more towards the orignal poster
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pfefferle
but you can disable retweets from other users for your stream
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pfefferle
sandeepshetty: agreed
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sandeepshetty
right but that doesn't change the actors intention
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barnabywalters
that is almost consistent, apart from fb likes inconsistently being broadcast to some friends
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sandeepshetty
barnabywalters: right... mixing it with advertising messes (lies about) with the original intention
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barnabywalters
so there are inconsistencies nested within the inconsistencies ;)
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sandeepshetty
:)
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pfefferle
;)
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sandeepshetty
It's also interesting that along that dimension (who it's directed towards) almost all of them are consistent - fb has share and like, twitter has retweet and fav and tumblr has reblog and like
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sandeepshetty
but when you add other dimensions it becomes very inconsistent
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barnabywalters
anyone know when twitter introduced fav, and whether or not it was based on paving a cowpath as retweet was?
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barnabywalters
the examples where the community created the syntax interest me the most
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barnabywalters
thing I like about twitter it that it’s unambiguous, which gives people much more freedom to experiment
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barnabywalters
unlike facebook. no idea what tumblr is like as I’ve never used it
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sandeepshetty
barnabywalters: you mean ambiguous? being unambiguous makes it more rigid and less flexible?
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barnabywalters
no, with twitter you know that anything you post/retweet will turn up in your follower’s stream in order. also you know favs are not broadcast. facebook guarantees neither
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sandeepshetty
ah.. favs are actually just published to another stream right on twitter? it's the same with tumblr.
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sandeepshetty
so they do broadcast but to a minor stream that your followers have to explicitly check
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sandeepshetty
hadn't thought of the time-based-ordering difference between fb and twitter till now.
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barnabywalters
relephant to this discussion is tommorris’s sellotape blog post: http://tommorris.org/posts/2488
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tommorris
Oh yes, that. ;)
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barnabywalters
we should make a required/suggested reading list for people wanting to learn more about indieweb principles
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Loqi
fo sho
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barnabywalters
blog posts like that have an awful tendency to get lost/forgotten :(
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tommorris
we should probably have a reading list page on the wiki
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barnabywalters
we have a section on /posts but it’s a bit hidden/neglected
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barnabywalters
ah, http://indiewebcamp.com/Posts_about_the_IndieWeb
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tommorris.org
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tommorris
oh, wait
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barnabywalters
probably redirect reading-list to the other one. it has a long and nasty title
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tommorris.org
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bret.io
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@minggwu
From CERN's Citizen Cyberspace Centre and the New York Hall of Science to The National Writing Project and IndieWebCamp check out these amaz ()
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bret
Woo iwc is tomorrrow!
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sandeepshetty
does anyone know the plan for remote participation?
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sandeepshetty
anyoen doing etherpad for people that might be able to connect with video?
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sandeepshetty
s/might/might not/
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Loqi
sandeepshetty meant to say: anyoen doing etherpad for people that might not be able to connect with video?
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barnabywalters
sandeepshetty: usually we say hello early on using G+, then communicate using IRC and etherpad for the rest of the event
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sandeepshetty
thats sounds like a good plan
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barnabywalters
but hanging out on G+ might be fun as there’ll be a few of us this time
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barnabywalters
the etherpads tend to be the best way of interacting
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barnabywalters
see http://waterpigs.co.uk/articles/remote-participation
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barnabywalters
based on my first experiences last year, updated after tending to remote participation at IWCUK
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sandeepshetty
yep I've seen it.. I remeber seeing etherpads at some other event that tantek went to.. was it fedsocweb... I think etherpad is a good way to record a session
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barnabywalters
etherpad is great, especially if we use wiki syntax and then dump it on the wiki for later
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sandeepshetty
(Y) or maybe <3
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tommorris
plans to be on Google Hangout tomorrow
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barnabywalters
I *love* the idea of using <3 as like syntax
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barnabywalters
it’s already an established microsyntax
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sandeepshetty
I'm used to (y) from using exodus and y!chat
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sandeepshetty
in the good old days :)
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tommorris
Skype uses (y) and (n)
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tommorris
the Skype smiley shortcuts are burning their way into my mind as we use Skype for work chat
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barnabywalters
hm, never actually used (y) and (n) in skype
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barnabywalters
when i used skype I communicated mainly using (ninja)
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sandeepshetty
facebook also uses (y) and so does gmail I think
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barnabywalters
we seriously need to document these
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barnabywalters
the old microsyntax wiki is long dead
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sandeepshetty
but <3 looks so much better
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barnabywalters
sandeepshetty: yep, there’s no need to turn it into an emoticon for it’s meaning to be clear
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sandeepshetty
there's always been this discussion about how (Y) look like a crotch
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barnabywalters
yes, there is that
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barnabywalters
or the CND symbol
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barnabywalters
a little
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sandeepshetty
CND?
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barnabywalters
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CND
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barnabywalters
wrong way round, but I still pattern-matched it
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sandeepshetty
ah like an upside down peace sign?
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barnabywalters
yeah, which might not be such a bad connotation
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created /microsyntax (+373) "Created page with "{{stub}} A place to brainstorm indieweb microsyntax especially for plaintext [[notes]] * <nowiki>@http://example.com => <a href="http://example.com" class="in-reply-to"></nowik..."" (view diff)
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@adaptivepattern
@borismus Intriguing ~ where practical. #IndieWebCamp #IndependentContentAuthor #ShareFreely #Identity #FreedomOfExpression PersonalDomain ()
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bnvk_
tylergillies: lo pilgrim
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tylergillies
yo
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@erinjo
@borismus You can add yourself to the remote group here to get looped in: http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/Guest_List ()
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@sandeepshetty
RT @pfefferle: My Webmention plugin for #WordPress should be kind of stable now… Time to ping the #IndieWeb… http://notizblog.org/2013/06/20/5231/ ()
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tantek
good afternoon from Portland
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tantek.com
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waterpigs.co.uk
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@kevinmarks
Off to Portland for indiewebcamp (@ Norman Y. Mineta San José International Airport (SJC) - @flysjc w/ 31 others) https://foursquare.com/kevinmarks/checkin/51c4bc23498ed5c6feca4a8f?s=oVsyIZmMECkUOScJHxNKlZmldSE&ref=tw ()
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sandeepshetty
is making UI changes to accommodate comments and other mentions http://www.sandeep.io/39
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sandeepshetty
so IWC starts at 22:00 hrs for me :) http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converted.html?iso=20130622T0930&p1=202&p2=44
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sandeepshetty
What time do remote participants need to be there? I'm guessing after breakfast?
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@stein2
RT @t: What is the #indieweb and @indiewebcamp? ()
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tantek.com
edited /indieweb-implementations (+228) "new first column, POSSE support, Falcon supports many auto-embeds using CASSIS" (view diff)
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tantek.com
edited /indieweb-implementations (+124) "ought to be ordered by IndieMark features/levels" (view diff)
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fu9ar
good talk, thanks for the heads up
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tantek
welcome fu9ar!
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tantek
hello Guest7825 - are you visiting from OSBridge?
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@gmorehou
#osb13 #TakingDownFacebook When $power or $money doesn't like something on indieweb, indieweb will suddenly not be a solution. #p2p ()
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Guest7825
i am! i'm in the atrium at this very moment
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tantek
Guest7825 - awesome - I was the loud indieweb advocate :)
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tantek
(in the atrium)
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Guest7825
and convincing, too
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Guest7825
if i could just change my password, i could have a name of my very own -- but that can wait till after
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@benwerd
That thing where I hate flying and I'm never flying again, but I'm actually in a plane and have to suck it up. Coming atcha, #indiewebcamp. ()
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@RTp2p
RT @gmorehou: #osb13 #TakingDownFacebook When $power or $money doesn't like something on indieweb, indieweb will suddenly not be a solution… ()
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tantek.com
edited /projects (+21) "move WhisperFollow into other projects since it's a plugin not a primary hosting project" (view diff)
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tantek.com
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waterpigs.co.uk
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waterpigs.co.uk
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Loqi
[mention] http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2013/06/21/1/indiewebcamp linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/Schedule (pingback)
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tantek.com
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tantek
hey everyone - I've written a brainstorm draft for IndieMark Level 0: http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieMark#Level_0
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tantek
please review - feedback welcome!
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tantek
working on Level 1 next
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tantek
welcome mathpunk!
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tantek
heading to Pints with ozten
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tantek
for the IndieWebCamp pre-party! http://plancast.com/p/ic3e
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tantek
starts at 16:30 PDT
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solomonkinard.com
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@benwerd
Anyone else landing at ~4:50pm interested in sharing a cab from PDX to the #indiewebcamp preparty? @kevinmarks @haxor ()
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@benwerd
Another great benefit of the #IndieWeb: being able to edit typos in your status updates. http://werd.io/view/51c4e161bed7de073150079b ()
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www.sandeep.io
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@jessykate
Bustin a move with my jetpack and boombotix at the opening happy hour for #indiewebcamp. let's hack some awesome federated shit! ()
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fu9ar
\window prev
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bret
hey aaronpk, I changed domains this weekend from bre.tc to bret.io. Do you think you can set me up with a new pingback.me account for the new domain with publicly accessible data? I don’t need the old one any longer.
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tantek
hey anyone here in the channel in Portland - come on by PINTS - 5th & Flanders!
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aaronpk|m
Bret: totally! You can start using the same username right now
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aaronpk|m
I don't think it will be public until I flip the bit on that domain tho
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aaronpk|m
Also if you are nearby, come to PINTS!
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tantek.com
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jessykate
yo homies :-)
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tantek
welcome jessykate!!
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tantek
:D
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tantek
now see if you can add yourself to indiewebcamp.com/irc-people
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jessykate
eggggselent
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bret
I just got a burrito, but I'll swing by when I'm done
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tantek.com
edited /2013/demos (+212) "/* Start Demos */ Ozten is going to demo his self-hosted Persona deployment!" (view diff)
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bret
I just flew home to Portland this afternoon
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tantek.com
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@t
#IndieWebCamp weekend has begun! ()
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@kevinmarks
RT @t: #IndieWebCamp weekend has begun! ()
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acegiak
good morning!
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tantek
good day acegiak!
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acegiak
what time is it there?
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tantek
greetings programs. if any of you has selfdogfood demos for tomorrow morning, add yourself here with a brief description! http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/demos#Start_Demos
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tantek
don't worry about sort order, just describe what you plan to demo working on your own site, and I'll sort it accordingly
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@silverton
RT @t: What is the #indieweb and @indiewebcamp? ()
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@silverton
RT @benwerd: Another great benefit of the #IndieWeb: being able to edit typos in your status updates. http://werd.io/view/51c4e161bed7de073… ()
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@joshuajuran
@vmbrasseur For how long? I went to Pints for the #indiewebcamp pre-party, which is breaking up now. ()
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cldstr
Anybody on the 6:15a San Jose - Portland flight tomorrow morning who would want to share a ride to indiewebcamp?
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bret
Well that was fun :) see you folks tomorrow morning
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bret
who was all at pints? I didnt catch everyones IRC name
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp session generator: http://www.whatshallihack.com/# ()
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@butwait
RT @kevinmarks: #indiewebcamp session generator: http://www.whatshallihack.com/# ()
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@firasd
RT @kevinmarks: #indiewebcamp session generator: http://www.whatshallihack.com/# ()
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acegiak
tantek, on the microsyntax page its mentioned that/win 2
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@bradfitz
In Portland for #indiewebcamp with @haxor. Have a great project to build! :-) ()
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@benwerd
Heading to Clyde Common for a drink. Come join us! #indiewebcamp ()
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@xtof_fr
I've track'n loved IndieWebCamp 2013 Pre-Party http://awe.sm/r25XX ()
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bret
oh snap clyde common
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bret
i want to try that place
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@benwerd
How I post on the go: http://werd.io/view/51c525d1bed7de22492c1804 #indiewebcamp ()
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@xtof_fr
#indiewebcamp à #Portland ()
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@dkmj
RT @kevinmarks: #indiewebcamp session generator: http://www.whatshallihack.com/# ()
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bret
What would people consider essential microformats to include on ones site to help be apart of the indieweb
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bret
I'll probably just ask folks tomorrow
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