#indiewebcamp

2013-06-22

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tantek
bret - good start with hCard for your about/contact info, rel-me to link to your other profiles, and h-entry for your posts.
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bret
what about microformats for a blog? is it important to distinguish my blog index from the actual post pages?
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bret
hNews?
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tantek
h-entry is sufficient
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tantek
+ h-card for author
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bret
ok
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bret
is there a microformat for bitcoin addresses? :p
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@krynsky
I'm making an open-source felt weather balloon. What will you hack? http://www.whatshallihack.com/ via @kevinmarks #indiewebcamp session generator ()
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@kevinmarks
RT @krynsky: I'm making an open-source felt weather balloon. What will you hack? http://www.whatshallihack.com/ via @kevinmarks #indiewebcamp sessi… ()
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@TomWhitwell
RT @krynsky: I'm making an open-source felt weather balloon. What will you hack? http://www.whatshallihack.com/ via @kevinmarks #indiewebcamp sessi… ()
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tommorris
bret: no, not yet.
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tommorris
bret: p-x-bitcoin ;)
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tommorris
right, I think it's time for me to write a microformats2 parser
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bret
what do all these p's n x's mean
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tommorris
p is property
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tommorris
x is extension
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tommorris
sorta like in mime times and so on
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bret
how does this v-card look? http://bret.io/
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sandeepshetty
acegiak: http://indiewebcamp.com/microsyntax
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tommorris
morning indiewebsters
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www.sandeep.io
edited /microsyntax (+37) "/* Brainstorming */ added clarification." (view diff)
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sandeepshetty
Morning tommorris, It's evening here and it'll be 22:00 hrs when IWC starts :)
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acegiak
sandeep, I did see that
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tommorris
11:30 AM here. I'm writing a uf2 parser
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acegiak
I'm running a dnd game atm so can't talk much but the reason we were doing that markup was because we needed some way to indicate which of many links needed in-reply-to markup
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acegiak
and then I just used the same idea again for <3 => u-like
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sandeepshetty
is trying to finish his comments display
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sandeepshetty
acegiak: when you don't have ability to edit the html to add uf2 classes?
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tommorris
making steady progress on writing a uf2 parser. I've written an RDF/XML parser before. This is a lot easier. ;)
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sandeepshetty
in ruby?
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tommorris
yep
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barnabywalters
good morning indiewebcamp
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tommorris
hey barnabywalters
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barnabywalters
was thinking of starting a pre-IWC hangout for us people not in the US — anyone up for it?
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tommorris
yeah, good plan
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barnabywalters
I can’t figure out how to make a hangout which is private but anyone can join if they have the URL :/
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barnabywalters
like the ones Ward does for SFW
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tommorris
is proving that one can drink six vodkas in one evening and then write a microformats2 parser the morning after.
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barnabywalters
tommorris: “microformats — it’s just that easy” ;)
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barnabywalters
ruby?
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tommorris
yep
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tommorris
using Nokogiri, the libxml based XML/HTML parser
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tommorris
got the hard parts done - nested microformats, <base>/relative URIs
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barnabywalters
nice
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barnabywalters
morning eschnou
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eschnou
barnabywalters, well.. we are well advanced in the afternoon on this side of channel :-)
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barnabywalters
quarter to twelve here :)
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eschnou
barnabywalters, so you plan to join later ? any details on the remote participation ?
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barnabywalters
eschnou: just setting up a G+ hangout for those of us not in the US. then later we’ll say hello to the US people and then mainly collaborate using etherpad, IRC and the wiki
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barnabywalters
okay, I take back everything I ever said about hangouts being a useful feature
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barnabywalters
ah! I think it’s “hangouts on air” or something like that
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eschnou
barnabywalters, busy week-end on my side, I'll try to be at least on IRC in the evening
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barnabywalters
eschnou: cool
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eschnou
and if there is a hangout going on, I'll pop and say hello :-)
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eschnou
barnabywalters, i hope a few more attempt to comment on my now famous post :-) and will try to stick around to help them debug things
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eschnou
barnabywalters, congrats on your comment implementation by the way, welcome to the club, it changes everything!
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barnabywalters
okay, I think if people go to this URL you’ll be able to join the hangout: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/f5e421087e0e8078b2b8a6deac6c2f77c259b940?authuser=0&hl=en-GB
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barnabywalters
(yuk yuk yuk nasty URL)
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barnabywalters
eschnou: thanks :) still feels like magic every time it works
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eschnou
yup, and the integration with webaction is really nice too
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eschnou
barnabywalters, no time to join the hangout now, need to take care of the kids, see you later !
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barnabywalters
eschnou: cool, see you later!
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@MyDataLabs
RT @xtof_fr: #indiewebcamp à #Portland ()
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acegiak
sandeepshetty: we wanted a way to mark which one was the reply-to without needing to edit the html because we want the plugins to be accessible to non-technical wordpress users
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acegiak
plus, adding the html manually would be tiresome, so we're trying to work out a way to make it quick and easy
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@BarnabyWalters
Good morning #indiewebcamp! We set up a pre-conference hangout for all those not in the US. Care to join us? (http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4QdC0_/) ()
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tommorris
barnabywalters: http://tommorris.org/posts/8204
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www.sandeep.io
edited /microsyntax (+342) "/* Brainstorming */ Added acegiak's use case" (view diff)
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barnabywalters
https://github.com/indieweb/php-mf2/blob/master/mf2/Parser.php#L175
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www.sandeep.io
edited /2013/demos (+212) "/* Start Demos */ Requesting someone to demo Indieweb Federated Like" (view diff)
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tantek
good morning IndieWebCamp!
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barnabywalters
afternoon tantek!
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pfefferle
yep, afternnon ;)
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barnabywalters
I just pushed php-mf2 0.1.15, with rel+alternate parsing and a html-safe option to eliminate the p-* e-* ambiguity problem — not a bad start, getting lunch now
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waterpigs.co.uk
edited /2013 (+117) "/* Participating */ added + hangout URL" (view diff)
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tantek
hey tommorris - is your Ruby microformats2 parser from scratch? or are you starting with the existing one by jlsuttles?
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tantek
and congrats on getting IndieWeb comments working on your site! (is this the first example? http://tommorris.org/posts/8204 )
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aaronpk
bret: here's a good way to check your markup: http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbret.io%2F
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sandeepshetty
Finally got around to parsing ask the uf2 for comments. Should be able to display comments in a couple of hours when I get back to my machine. Playtime with my daughter right now :)
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sandeepshetty
s/ask/all
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Loqi
sandeepshetty meant to say: Finally got around to parsing all the uf2 for comments. Should be able to display comments in a couple of hours when I get back to my machine. Playtime with my daughter right now :)
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tommorris
tantek: I've been tryign both
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tommorris
tantek: and thanks
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tantek
I heard that Ben Werdmuller has indieweb comments working too
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tantek
has anyone here tried leaving a comment on one of his posts?
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tantek
e.g. http://werd.io/view/51c52638bed7de820dbf480c
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tantek
oh wait
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tantek
I see that it self is a comment on this post: http://werd.io/view/51c525d1bed7de22492c1804
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tantek
!
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tantek
someone here want to try commenting on that post? http://werd.io/view/51c525d1bed7de22492c1804
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tantek
(so we can see if a comment from someone other than the site author works?)
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aaronpk
looks like not http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/06/22/1/indieweb-checkins
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tantek
interesting. I wonder if it goes into a queue he has to manually approve.
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tommorris
tantek: I'm going to try and finish implementing indieweb-comments shortly
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tantek
oh not quite finished yet? it looked like it was working with that comment from Barnaby
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tommorris
that's just faking it ;)
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tommorris
that's designed to look like a completed comment - but it's manually entered
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tantek.com
edited /2013/Guest_List (-1) "sort Solomon, fix Twitter, update counts" (view diff)
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@termie
... 7am flights weren't meant to be taken anyway (sorry @t, won't make it to indiewebcamp) ()
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@bradfitz
Camlistore 0.2 is now out: https://camlistore.org/docs/release/0.2 ... #golang #indiewebcamp ()
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barnabywalters
tantek: I commented on one of benwerd’s posts — it worked but picked up the wrong h-card!
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tantek
fascinating - which post?
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barnabywalters
tantek: http://werd.io/view/51c4e161bed7de073150079b
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barnabywalters
it picked up my photographer friend’s h-card instead of mine, but my photo?!
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tantek
very strange ok - looks like he's got some work to do :)
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barnabywalters
mf-cleaner getAuthor should remove the need for anyone using PHP to manually figure out what the author of a post is
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barnabywalters
now the parser does rels I can add in rel-author parsing too
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tantek
!tell benwerd looks like your indieweb comments code needs some tweaks: http://werd.io/view/51c4e161bed7de073150079b picked up Barnaby's photo but his friend's name!
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek
barnabywalters - you've implemented /authorship?
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barnabywalters
tantek: not exactly that algorithm
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barnabywalters
working on it
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barnabywalters
https://github.com/barnabywalters/php-mf-cleaner/blob/master/src/BarnabyWalters/Mf2/Functions.php#L117
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@jedisct1
RT @bradfitz: Camlistore 0.2 is now out: https://camlistore.org/docs/release/0.2 ... #golang #indiewebcamp ()
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tommorris
is cheating at implementing indieweb-cmoments
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tommorris
comments rather
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tommorris
rather than using the uf2 parser in Ruby, I'm just running a local instance of Glenn's parser and calling that. ;)
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@ggregl
RT @bradfitz: Camlistore 0.2 is now out: https://camlistore.org/docs/release/0.2 ... #golang #indiewebcamp ()
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tommorris
barnabywalters: [{"type"=>["h-entry"], "properties"=>{"in-reply-to"=>[{"value"=>"11 days ago Tom Morris There’s a talk about “geeks and professionalism” at a conference called ‘Devs Love Bacon’. (Except us vegetarians, obvs.) 09:53 on 2013-04-13" ...
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bret
Grabbing breakfast at lovejoy bakery
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bret
Anyone close by?
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@TeaWithCarl
RT @bradfitz: Camlistore 0.2 is now out: https://camlistore.org/docs/release/0.2 ... #golang #indiewebcamp ()
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bret
Almost 9:30
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tommorris
yeah, where are y'all? ;)
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bret
I'm getting coffe are the doors open?
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@temporaryhuman
I'm going to make a freegan papercraft robot. What will you hack? http://www.whatshallihack.com/?utm_source=buffer&utm_campaign=Buffer&utm_content=bufferdddd5&utm_medium=twitter #hacker #indieweb #gf2045 ()
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@pjf
Today I'm celebrating a successful week at #osb13 by going to IndieWebCamp. ()
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@BronzeProfile
RT @temporaryhuman: I'm going to make a freegan papercraft robot. What will you hack? http://www.whatshallihack.com/?utm_source=buffer&utm_campaign=Buffer&utm_content=bufferdddd5&utm_medium=twitter #hacker #indieweb #gf2045 ()
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@uziika
RT @temporaryhuman: I'm going to make a freegan papercraft robot. What will you hack? http://www.whatshallihack.com/?utm_source=buffer&utm_campaign=Buffer&utm_content=bufferdddd5&utm_medium=twitter #hacker #indieweb #gf2045 ()
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Loqi
gjones: barnabywalters left you a message on 3/3 at 10:39am: as someone who's done web action UI brainstorming, I'd be really grateful for feedback for this: https://github.com/barnabywalters/web-action-hero-toolbelt — the actual button UI is fairly awful but the structure is in place
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tommorris
hey gjones
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gjones
Hi tom
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tommorris
is using microformats2-node in ferocity
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tommorris
just running a local copy and using HTTP to talk to it
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tommorris
am planning to try and fix up a Ruby native parser, but until then I'll use the Node parser. works grea
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tommorris
great
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gjones
that good to hear I have not had much feedback from other devs
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gjones
just about to start using it on large scale for a commercial project myself
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bret
Is there a number to call aaronpk ?
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@adrahon
RT @bradfitz: Camlistore 0.2 is now out: https://camlistore.org/docs/release/0.2 ... #golang #indiewebcamp ()
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tommorris
http://tommorris.org/posts/8204 - now parsed from h-entry with gjones' parser
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tommorris
spies veganstraightedge/Shane Becker coming in and out of the IWC Google Hangout
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bret
where are the hangouts?
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barnabywalters
bret: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/f5e421087e0e8078b2b8a6deac6c2f77c259b940?authuser=0&hl=en-GB
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bret
bah, it requires a G+ account
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bret
:[
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barnabywalters
bret: yeah :(
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barnabywalters
we might be able to stream it publicly, nothing much is happening now though
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tommorris
alas, it does. but g+ hangout is the only way yet found to do reasonably large scale video conferencing
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bret
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bretc/9109842488/
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barnabywalters
was just about to ask when IWC was starting — already, by the looks of it
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bret
not quite
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bret
)
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bret
:)
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bret
just setting up the projector
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tantek.com
created /demos (+18) "r" (view diff)
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tommorris
can always dance on Hangout. ;)
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tommorris
that'll get *someone* in Portland to get on Hangout, right, barnabywalters?
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sandeepshetty
Now showing h-card for likes, reposts and mentions: http://www.sandeep.io/39
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sandeepshetty
Can someone help me test?
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barnabywalters
sandeepshetty: lookin’ good. what do you need?
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tommorris
wonders whether vote-links might be appropriate here.
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tantek.com
edited /demos (+6) "r" (view diff)
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tommorris
even though they use the now spurned @rev attribute
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@pjf
Many thanks to the #indiewebcamp sponsors for coffee and bagels. &lt;3 ()
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sandeepshetty
barnabywalters: Likes, repsots and a mention (no u-like or u-repost)
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sandeepshetty
you already have a like there so one of the others
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bret
you guys are going up on a huge tv
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bret
the eye of tommorris
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tommorris
I'll dance to make sure it works
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tommorris
can someone tell tantek his site has been quite unresponsive this afternoon? ;)
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tantek.com
edited /2013/demos (+163) "/* Start Demos */ Will will demo manual G+ POSSE" (view diff)
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bret
is there a page that coveres how to send a iw comment?
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tommorris
there's a few. I've been discussing with barnabywalters how to do it.
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tantek.com
edited /2013/demos (+22) "3 minute demos" (view diff)
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@benwerd
Getting started at #indiewebcamp. Really looking forward to seeing the user side of everybody's #indieweb projects. ()
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tantek.com
created /2013/schedule (+27) "r" (view diff)
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sandeepshetty
barnabywalters: A comment would be nice.. just pushing some code to display comments
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sandeepshetty
I have comments working: http://www.sandeep.io/44 (Still have to work on styling)
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barnabywalters
sandeepshetty: okay, commenting
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sandeepshetty
on the other one.... /39
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tommorris
is just in the flow of trying to get commenting working
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barnabywalters
sandeepshetty: it worked!
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@npdoty
@indiewebcamp Mistimed the buses so I'm arriving late, but on my way to #indiewebcamp ()
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barnabywalters
no name — is that supposed to happen?
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sandeepshetty
which post?
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barnabywalters
http://www.sandeep.io/64
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barnabywalters
also — “1 comments” ;)
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sandeepshetty
yeah :)
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sandeepshetty
the name is in the img title for now
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sandeepshetty
on hover
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barnabywalters
“I hovered my finger over it but nothing happened” ;)
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barnabywalters
nice work!
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tantek.com
edited /2013/demos (+4) "Will's demoing some automatic POSSE, some manual" (view diff)
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barnabywalters
just working on styling my comments and post metadata a little better
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sandeepshetty
yeah I think I haven't pushed the title code
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barnabywalters
er, any chance of some video from IWC?
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Loqi
benwerd: tantek left you a message 1 hour, 53 minutes ago: looks like your indieweb comments code needs some tweaks: http://werd.io/view/51c4e161bed7de073150079b picked up Barnaby's photo but his friend's name!
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sandeepshetty
barnabywalters: any chance you could comment on http://www.sandeep.io/39 it's a good place to demo all it
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pfefferle
I sent you a like
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benwerd
ha, everyone's picking up on my not-ready-for-primetime comments implementation. Hoping I'll get time to fix it this weekend ...
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benwerd
(I believe video is being worked on)
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: to me? which post?
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barnabywalters
oh great
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pfefferle
39
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tantek.com
edited /comments-presentation (+113) "/* Current Indiewebcamp Practices */ Aaron Parecki's blog automatically displays indieweb comments" (view diff)
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sandeepshetty
is tunneling into his db
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pfefferle
but wordpress won't send any pings to benwerd… strange
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benwerd
prrrrrrobably my fault. is it just refusing to find the endpoint?
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: you got a success response?
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benwerd
or is it pinging and nothing's turning up?
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tommorris
realises his job queue hasn't been running for weeks. fail.
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tommorris
I am to job queues as tantek is to databases.
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pfefferle
don't know… thats not implemented yet :D
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sandeepshetty
lol
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caseorganic
greetings
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sandeepshetty
(to tantek and db)
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tommorris
I can see!
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pfefferle
but at least the ping back should have worked
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@benwerd
RT @bradfitz: Camlistore 0.2 is now out: https://camlistore.org/docs/release/0.2 ... #golang #indiewebcamp ()
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tantek.com
edited /2013/demos (+145) "more demos" (view diff)
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bret
how do I send a webmention or pingback from the command line?
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@glennjones
RT @bradfitz: Camlistore 0.2 is now out: https://camlistore.org/docs/release/0.2 ... #golang #indiewebcamp ()
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sandeepshetty
bret i'ts on the /webmention page
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perltraining.com.au
edited /2013/demos (+100) "/* Start Demos */ Living on the command-line: @pjf" (view diff)
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bret
ok ill look
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@kevinmarks
I can see @tommorris on the hangout cam at #indiewebcamp ()
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pfefferle
i got a bad request 400
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tommorris
heh. I'll dance if you like. ;)
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sandeepshetty
bret http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention#Manually_sending_webmentions
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@TomTowny
RT @bradfitz: Camlistore 0.2 is now out: https://camlistore.org/docs/release/0.2 ... #golang #indiewebcamp ()
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@tommorris
@kevinmarks I’ll dance if need be. #indiewebcamp http://tommorris.org/posts/8384 ()
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pfefferle
sandeepshetty: bad request 400
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sandeepshetty
ok for the like? checking...
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bret
you guys are live
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bret
ill send you a picture of how large you are
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pfefferle
sandeepshetty: should I also add a reply?
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sandeepshetty
sure.. to /39
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tantek.com
edited /2013/demos (+75) "/* Start Demos */ Harlan" (view diff)
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pfefferle
curl -i -d "source=http://notizblog.org/2013/06/20/5231/&target=http://www.sandeep.io/39" http://www.sandeep.io/webmention
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tantek.com
edited /2013/Schedule (+1) "bump schedule" (view diff)
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bret
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bretc/9107838523/
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erinjo
barnabywalters: Can you post the link to the hangout here in case anyone else wants to join remotely?
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fmarier.org
edited /2013/demos (+104) "/* Start Demos */ add my demo" (view diff)
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www.sandeep.io
edited /indieweb-implementations (+23) "converspace now shows comments automatically." (view diff)
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www.sandeep.io
edited /comments-presentation (+120) "/* Current Indiewebcamp Practices */ sandeep.io (converspace) shows comments automatically" (view diff)
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fmarier.org
edited /2013/demos (+1) "/* Start Demos */ fix typo in my name" (view diff)
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KevinMarks
ouch, my irc client said I was banned form the room until I identified to nickserv
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tommorris
hey KevinMarks, tantek
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www.sandeep.io
edited /comments-presentation (+0) "/* Current Indiewebcamp Practices */ fixed typo" (view diff)
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barnabywalters
erinjo: sure!
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barnabywalters
anyone who wants to join remotely: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/f5e421087e0e8078b2b8a6deac6c2f77c259b940?authuser=0&hl=en-GB
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barnabywalters
the link is also on /2013, under “Participate”
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barnabywalters
what’s happening at the moment?
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c2.com
edited /2013/demos (+43) "/* Start Demos */" (view diff)
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tommorris
barnabywalters: are you accepting webmentions/pingbacks? because I can't find your webmention/pingback URL
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benwerd
Is that a Hangout on Air, or will it have the user limit?
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barnabywalters
tommorris: they’re in my headers
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barnabywalters
benwerd: on air
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benwerd
coolcool
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c2.com
edited /2013/demos (+25) "/* Start Demos */" (view diff)
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barnabywalters
we could broadcast/record it, if people are up for that?
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tommorris
barnabywalters: ah okay
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erinjo
barnabywalters: thanks!
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@benwerd
If you're interested in #indiewebcamp and want to follow at home, you can join this Google+ Hangout: https://accounts.google.com/ServiceLogin ()
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: did you have www in the target url?
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tommorris
barnabywalters: ah, this means my webmention/pingback sending is broken in some way.
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pfefferle
sandeepshetty: yes
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benwerd
hey, thanks twitter
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sandeepshetty
ah could you try it without the www... in the meantime I'll fix that..
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barnabywalters
tommorris: I’ll have a look in my logs, see if I can see anything
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perltraining.com.au
edited /2013/demos (-100) "/* Start Demos */ rm @pjf cmdline" (view diff)
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Loqi
we'll do this as a session
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pfefferle
sandeepshetty: same problem
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barnabywalters
question to IRL participants: how large is the hangout display/how loud are we?
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barnabywalters
I
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barnabywalters
I remember inadvertently shouting at everyone last year and want to avoid that this year ;)
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pfenwick
barnabywalters: I can't hear you at all. Could you try singing?
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tommorris
barnabywalters: I just sent you a webmention - http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/1480
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benwerd
It's huge, but not very loud
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KevinMarks
hangout display is a 70" TV on the side
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caseorganic.com
edited /2013/Sessions (+1067) "/* Want */ Added session on personal data store." (view diff)
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@joejohnston
Good writeup of Open Mustard Seed #pcloud #indieweb platform http://bollier.org/blog/next-great-internet-disruption-authority-and-governance @MeganMurray @datacosmos @harlantwood ()
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barnabywalters
pfenwick: my mic is muted — I’m not much of a singer but I could go and get the hurdy gurdy ;)
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pfenwick
barnabywalters: I'm pretty sure that would be perfect!
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barnabywalters
tommorris: and it worked! WOO HOO
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benwerd
You all look like this: http://werd.io/view/51c5dd3abed7de9c2d83972d
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caseorganic.com
edited /2013/demos (+79) "/* Start Demos */" (view diff)
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tommorris
barnabywalters: I'm just implementing webmention header parsing. strange. I'm pretty sure that should have sent a pingback
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barnabywalters
pfenwick: it’s back at the apartment but I could get it when you’re on lunch break :D
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barnabywalters
is that a close up of aaron’s jumper?
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@pjf
OH: "The documentation for pokémon on Yahoo! Answers is better than any documentation from Oracle." — @caseorganic #indiewebcamp ()
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caseorganic
pfenwick++
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Loqi
pfenwick has 1 karma
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pfenwick
!help
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tommorris
half way through the video, it transitions to Rage Against The Machine
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bret
can you remote people hear?
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tommorris
yep, works great bret
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barnabywalters
yep, I can hear fine
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bret
cool :)
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tommorris
just worked out why my pingback wasn't working
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bret
will eschnou's comment thread blow up if I dont have an h-author image?
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bret
i am about to send a pingback from my comment http://bret.io/2013/06/22/indieweb-comment/
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pfefferle
nope, mine worked fine
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caseorganic
barnabywalters: tommorris: awesome to see you on the livestream!
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@brianjesse
working on web mentions for openmicroblogger 2 at #indiewebcamp #indieweb (at @ElementalTech w/ @t) [pic]: https://foursquare.com/brianjesse/checkin/51c5df03498e967b07d22c26?s=P_HEK0NkctPntlwRa7Eu6N0QWYM&ref=tw ()
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barnabywalters
waves to caseorganic
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tommorris
caseorganic: thanks.
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barnabywalters
bret: looking good! RE microformats, probably a good idea to add p-summary and make the name the content too
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b0bg0d
bam
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@donpdonp
#indiewebcamp demos are starting http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/demos also irc freenode #indiewebcam. ()
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bret
barnabywalters: what would be in the p-summary?
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bret
and expand the content to a larger scope?
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barnabywalters
bret: for notes, p-summary is just a plaintext version of the content
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: could you please send the like one more time (this time with the www) - I'm logging some stuff now to figure out what happened
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barnabywalters
keep content where it is and add p-summary to the same element
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barnabywalters
I add p-name to the same element too
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bret
what is p-name for?
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Loqi
p is property
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pfefferle
sandeepshetty: still 400
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pfefferle
p-name = title
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barnabywalters
woah, nice one Loqi :)
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp @haxor: Camlistore is your home directory for the web @bradfitz: I got sick of building CMSs, I wanted a data dumping ground ()
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bret
oh i see
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@preaction
RT @pjf: OH: "The documentation for pokémon on Yahoo! Answers is better than any documentation from Oracle." — @caseorganic #indiewebcamp ()
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bret
the post format was originally a linklog
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bret
ill probrably do a note style soon
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@donpdonp
brad fitz (of livejournal, memcached, openid) is demoing http://camlistore.org/ the 'personal storage system for life'. #indiewebcamp ()
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bret
is just a plaintext version of the content
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp @bradfitz: Camlistore is content-addressable storage you throw all your crap in and it indexes it every which way ()
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp irony - twitter website stopping me posting from here https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/348494573636554752/photo/1 ()
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: for some reason it didn't find the target url on your page... looking into to.. thanks
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pfefferle
only for my site?
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jessykate.com
edited /2013 (+0) "/* Participating */" (view diff)
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sandeepshetty
comments when through for barnabywalters
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pfefferle
should i also add a "u-in-reply-to" ???
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@benwerd
Wow. @bradfitz and @haxor are demoing Camlistore, and it looks amazingly powerful. #indiewebcamp ()
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tommorris
"everybody loves MySQL, right?" - no, tantek, love me some postgresql.
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pfefferle
du i have to url encode them for the console
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tommorris
tantek: if it's their first indiewebcamp, they HAVE to present. ;)
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@znmeb
At #indiewebcamp watching Harlan fork ()
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp @bradfitz: Camlistore can look like a filesystem or a webserver depending on what you want http://camlistore.org/ ()
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tantek.com
edited /2013/demos (+47) "/* Start Demos */ more details for Harlan's demo" (view diff)
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: nope
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donpdonp
forkthis.net
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tantek.com
edited /2013/demos (-129) "collapse categories" (view diff)
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bret
barnabywalters: can you peek the MF again? http://bret.io/2013/06/22/indieweb-comment/
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@pac_man
RT @pjf: OH: "The documentation for pokémon on Yahoo! Answers is better than any documentation from Oracle." — @caseorganic #indiewebcamp ()
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: do don't have a h-entry?
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pfefferle
yes
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tommorris
wait, wikipedia -> markdown - oh my. I'd like to see how that works
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WardCunningham
what resolution works for the elemental projector?
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sandeepshetty
ah.. it looks for u-like and the rest only inside an h-entry
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pfefferle
yes
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pfefferle
thats the case
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp forkthis lets you fork cc content into github It converts HTML into markdown so you can do fork/diff merging more easily ()
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sandeepshetty
possible to try it with a h-entry?
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pfefferle
i use h-entry
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pfefferle
oh, didn't read the "don't"
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pfefferle
sorry
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pfefferle
I use h-entry
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donpdonp
aaronpk: is there a wiki page describing the comment-collection-system on your site?
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pfefferle
does it have to be directly inside the h-entry?
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: Ah I look for a top-level h-entry.. you have it inside a h-feed http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http://notizblog.org/2013/06/20/5231/
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pfefferle
no not any more
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brianjesse
*amazing* hack from willnorris - cool stuff!
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aaronpk
donpdonp: sorta, everything would be here http://indiewebcamp.com/p3k
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pfefferle
but the u-like is inside a e-content
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pfefferle
oh
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pfefferle
wait
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pfefferle
that is a bug
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pfefferle
one moment
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp @willnorris: I use wordpress, which POSSEs to FB+Twitter I made a syndicate plugin to G+ despite it not having a write API ()
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@dleony
RT @bradfitz Camlistore 0.2 is now out: http://camlistore.org/docs/release/0.2 ... #golang #indiewebcamp ()
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donpdonp
aaronpk: cool thx
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donpdonp
http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention
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barnabywalters
powercut
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npdoty
when syndicating to Google+, there's no way to get back the URL of the post without searching for the string?
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tommorris
I have Chinese food. ;)
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: I meant I look for an h-entry directly under items, but you have it as a child of h-feed and I don't see a u-like: http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http://notizblog.org/2013/06/20/5231/
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barnabywalters
tommorris: nice :) going to make some feta stuffed onions later
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pfefferle
now its fixed but still the 400
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp @t: I have not posted native cntent to twitter since 2009. I post on my own site and POSSE to twitter ()
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: check http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http://notizblog.org/2013/06/20/5231/ nothing pointing to sandeep.io there
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp @t: I don't have a front end to write posts, I write HTML in a text editor. This is the database. ()
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pfefferle
yes, but look a the sourcecode
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pfefferle
does the parser ignore u-like?
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sandeepshetty
I'm using mf2 which is what pin13.net is using so will have the same problem... barnabywalters any idea what's happening?
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tommorris
tantek's posting UI is the fixie of the indieweb world ;)
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp @t: I use ordinal ISO dates (day number fo the year) as it is one less character to type ()
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bret
this is awsome
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caseorganic
tommorris++
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Loqi
tommorris has 7 karma
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aaronpk
tommorris++
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Loqi
tommorris has 8 karma
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@t
@kevinmarks I've got #POSSE working to Twitter, and even replies too. ()
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barnabywalters
sandeepshetty: what’s the problem?
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bret
XD
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pfefferle
barnabywalters: is the mf2 parser ignoring u-like classes?
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@ozten
RT @t: @kevinmarks I've got #POSSE working to Twitter, and even replies too. ()
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caseorganic
tommorris: it's the pettyfarthing (via bethany) http://media-1.web.britannica.com/eb-media/88/6488-004-96D89FFF.jpg
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@pjf
At #indiewebcamp. @t has the most straightforward and intuitive way of responding to tweets that I've ever seen! ()
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pfefferle
oh, i know
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pfefferle
wait a minute
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npdoty
not quite a URL, actually :)
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pfefferle
oh man
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp @t: after I edit the text file I scp that to my site and it shows up, and pings twitter, PubSubHubbub etc ()
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pfefferle
the <3 killed the markup
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pfefferle
:(
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pfefferle
sorry for that
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pfefferle
worked! nice!
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barnabywalters
if < chars are giving you problems, upgrade to the latest version of php-mf2 and use htmlSafe
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barnabywalters
either set $parser->htmlSafe = true
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barnabywalters
or $parser->parse(true)
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp @t: google used to index my pubsubhubbub-posted posts instantly, now it takes a while ()
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pfefferle
ok, thanks
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barnabywalters
and non e-* properties will be html-encoded
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: awesome! how about a comment to the same post?
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@antisol
RT @kevinmarks: #indiewebcamp @bradfitz: Camlistore can look like a filesystem or a webserver depending on what you want http://t.co/bwzRh… ()
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@krynsky
@kevinmarks @t there's a hangout cam for #indiewebcamp? Is there a live stream? Wish I was there. ()
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aaronpk
barnabywalters: who's got the g+ URL? I don't know how to find it
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pfefferle
sandeepshetty: done
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dreeves
@pfenwick: the callback url for the demo is yootles.com/slurp.php
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npdoty
http://donpark.org/badge/
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/f5e421087e0e8078b2b8a6deac6c2f77c259b940?authuser=0&hl=en-GB
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aaronpk
thanks
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barnabywalters
the G+ URL is linked on /2013
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@ozten
Watching @donpdonp demo badges he issues through the OpenBadges standard #indiewebcamp #iwantabadgedonp ()
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barnabywalters
for future reference :)
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aaronpk
oh great!
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@krynsky
Camlistore's personal storage system for life looks great for #digitalpreservation http://camlistore.org/?utm_source=buffer&utm_campaign=Buffer&utm_content=buffer72536&utm_medium=twitter h/t @kevinmarks at #indiewebcamp ()
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barnabywalters
under Participation
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@kevinmarks
@krynsky yes there is a hangout on air for #indiewebcamp: https://accounts.google.com/ServiceLogin ()
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@krynsky
RT @kevinmarks: @krynsky yes there is a hangout on air for #indiewebcamp: https://accounts.google.com/ServiceLogin ()
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tantek.com
edited /2013/demos (+12) "resort a bit" (view diff)
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pfefferle
sandeepshetty: done
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pfenwick
dreeves: Done. And my inbox updated.
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: you mean you sent a comment?
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pfefferle
yep
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pfefferle
is it a problem that it's the same url?
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sandeepshetty
yeah :)
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pfefferle
:)
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pfefferle
ok
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sandeepshetty
I only have one field for mention type in the db
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp http://t.co/QFHBT7mazQ: Everyone has a Mozilla Persona account, if you have email - look under your chair ()
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@pjf
RT @kevinmarks: @krynsky yes there is a hangout on air for #indiewebcamp: https://accounts.google.com/ServiceLogin ()
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dreeves
pfenwick: can you try another update?
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smcgregor
tantek: Can I hop on the Dogfood demo list?
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@bmndr
Beeminder founders @dreev and @thatgirl at #indiewebcamp today, about to show off our realtime PESOS with assistance from @pjf ()
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Loqi
[mention] http://ozten.com/psto/2013/06/22/posted-from-indiewebcamp/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/ (pingback)
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sandeepshetty
barnabywalters: can you see/hear the conf on hangout?
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@pjf
RT @bmndr: Beeminder founders @dreev and @thatgirl at #indiewebcamp today, about to show off our realtime PESOS with assistance from @pjf ()
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caseorganic.com
edited /2013/demos (+141) "/* Start Demos */" (view diff)
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@benwerd
I'm live-posting photos from my mobile web interface over at http://werd.io/search/?q=%23indiewebcamp #indiewebcamp (finding Chrome bugs in the process) ()
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www.harlantwood.net
edited /2013/demos (+30) "/* Start Demos */" (view diff)
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barnabywalters
sandeepshetty: yep, pretty well
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ozten
willnoris: https://ozten.com/.well-known/browserid
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pfefferle
sandeepshetty: ok done
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aaronparecki.com
edited /2013/demos (+0) "moved caseorganic's demo after ward's wiki demo" (view diff)
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aaronpk
barnabywalters: if I reply to a post on your site will it automatically show up on your site?
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aaronpk
or is there a manual step?
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp @dreev @thatgirl make Beeminder, a quantified self tool @bmndr - It does PESOS using a callback URL ()
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brianjesse
tantek: i'd like to demo, just got my web mention code working at brianhendrickson.com
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: should automatically show up, go for it :)
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tantek
brianjesse - like for leaving a comment on someone else's post?
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aaronpk
sweet
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pfefferle
sandeepshetty: do you use the p-name?
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barnabywalters
just tweaking the styling now
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aaronpk
wonderful. don't break anything :)
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brianjesse
tantek: yeah it's not done yet but I plan to comment on Eschnou's post today
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caseorganic
OH: "but anyway, it works for me" -danielreeves
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tantek
brianjesse - demo tomorrow then?
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@ozten
RT @kevinmarks: #indiewebcamp http://t.co/QFHBT7mazQ: Everyone has a Mozilla Persona account, if you have email - look under your chair ()
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donpdonp
aaronpk: where is webmention support on your blog? im looking at http://aaronparecki.com/articles but its not obvious if support is there or not
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aaronpk
it's not supported on articles yet, heh
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aaronpk
only notes and replies
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pfenwick
dreeves: Submitted via the website, but I don't think we had any joy there, either.
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donpdonp
k thx
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@ozten
New Post - Posted from IndieWebCamp http://ozten.com/psto/2013/06/22/posted-from-indiewebcamp/ #indiewebcamp ()
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aaronpk
donpdonp: example http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2013/05/21/1/xkcd
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pfenwick
dreeves: I have been meaning to use callbacks to send data back to me, so this will be a good weekend to test them. :)
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brianjesse
tantek: sure
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tantek
"what I want to show you is where I write every day - ward.fed.wiki.org"
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tantek
great start to any demo
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tantek
any selfdogfood demo
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smus
is there a hangout?
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brianjesse
isn't dogfooding itself already selfdogfooding?
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@krynsky
Just saw a quick demo from #indiewebcamp of the Beeminder #quantifiedself tool https://www.beeminder.com/?utm_source=buffer&utm_campaign=Buffer&utm_content=bufferb97e4&utm_medium=twitter another service to try :) ()
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tommorris
smus: yes. I'll dig the url out
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: yes
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tantek
brianjesse - no, see http://indiewebcamp.com/selfdogfood
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: https://github.com/converspace/converspace/blob/master/webmention.php#L51
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aaronpk
smus: yes, http://indiewebcamp.com/2013#Participating
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smus
tommorris: thx
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tommorris
https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/f5e421087e0e8078b2b8a6deac6c2f77c259b940
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tantek
dogfood is typically only companies working on their own APIs
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tantek
self is indie
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brianjesse
tantek: thanks
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pfefferle
why not e-content or p-summary?
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tantek
indepedent
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp @WardCunningham: I write everyday at http://ward.fed.wiki.org/welcome-visitors.html Instead of sharing a disk through a web interface, you have yours ()
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: first p-summay and fallback to p-name.. don't have handling html in e-content
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donpdonp
aaronpk: if i wanted to add a comment to the note, using my own site, and willing to write code, id start with reading about webmention?
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aaronpk
yes, and also /comment has some info i think
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: correcet link https://github.com/converspace/converspace/blob/master/webmention.php#L48
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@pjf
"Imma happy for you, and I let you finish, but @WardCunningham has the best looking timestamps of all time." #indiewebcamp ()
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@krynsky
Info on Mozilla Persona Identity system RT @ozten: New Post - Posted from IndieWebCamp http://ozten.com/psto/2013/06/22/posted-from-indiewebcamp/ #indiewebcamp ()
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sandeepshetty
is having a hard time making hangout work on ubnutu
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@ozten
@WardCunningham "old model is webpages on a sharing disk. Federated wiki inverts the model to many disks shared via a client" #indiewebcamp ()
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pfefferle
aaronpk: loops, just broke your site :(
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp @caseorganic: I have a wordpress install on http://caseorganic.com called Brain, that I email things I want to remember to ()
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aaronpk
how broke?
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pfefferle
aaronpk: http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/06/20/1/webmention-indieweb
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aaronpk
oops!
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pfefferle
aaronpk: do you also use p-name?
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aaronpk
yes i think so
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smus
trying to configure indieauth on my site (https://indieauth.com/setup) but it's failing to find rel=me links. they are on smus.com but are display=none. they need to be visible?
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aaronpk
i think iit falls back to content maybe
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp @caseorganic: I share family-only on flickr with 25000 screenshots from the web - they end up outranking originals on google ()
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pfefferle
aaronpk: what about the other way? because that would make a lot easier for classic blogs.
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aaronpk
i will consider it
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tantek.com
edited /2013/Schedule (-18) "remove one intro session" (view diff)
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: what was response for the comment webmention on /39?
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp @caseorganic: eventually flickr will say "fuck you" to me, so I have a flickr archive on my own site ()
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp @caseorganic: only people with authorization can send to my brain, or look into it ()
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pfefferle
sandeepshetty: resend the webmention and now it looks way nicer
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@krynsky
Did I just hear @caseorganic discuss logging into brains at #indiewebcamp? Awesome. ()
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npdoty
aaronpk, caseorganic have you looked at http://straup.github.io/parallel-flickr/ for backing up / maintaining a local copy of your Flickr account?
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: nice! thanks.. I couldn't see it before.. what were you seeing?
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pfefferle
the title of the post...
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@ozten
I want @caseorganic Wordpress TheBrain plugin, so awesome! #IndieWebCamp Immune to service providers going away, searchable, sharable! ()
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@veganstraightedge
@t Will you get everyone at @indiewebcamp fired up about using the etherpad so we can follow along remotely, please? Video is too bandwithy. ()
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pfefferle
sandeepshetty: is it a bug that it doesn't show my full name?
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp @t: what @caseorganic's demo shows is how indieweb is separate from social, as it is about your own stuff first ()
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caseorganic.com
edited /2013/demos (+25) "/* Start Demos */ Added userpage" (view diff)
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smus
yeah, seems to be only parsing the RSS <link> in my head, not any of the social things (which are display: none) cc: aaronpk
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aaronpk
smus: what is your url?
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sandeepshetty
tantek: +1 to etherpad.. having a hard time with hangout
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aaronpk
oh got it
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caseorganic
sandeepshetty: ok
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aaronpk
smus: change your twitter and github links to https
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: I only have the name in the img title and alt right now...
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aaronpk
and google
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp gravatar gives you a photo from an md5 hash of your email, but it is centralised. I federated it ()
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donpdonp
'how do i implemnet pingbacks?' '2. implement webmention instead' lolz
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aaronpk
:D
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@ozten
Watching @fmarier show how he hosts his own profile photos and the https://www.libravatar.org protocol #indiewebcamp ()
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@pjf
#indiewebcamp: @fmarier: Did I see that you generate 1x1 px thumbnails? Because I *so* want those from gravatar. ;) ()
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@scottclasen
RT @kevinmarks: #indiewebcamp gravatar gives you a photo from an md5 hash of your email, but it is centralised. I federated it ()
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ozten
Go to bed know phone
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smus
aaronpk: thanks. that worked!
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ozten
s/known/now/
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aaronpk
great! still need to find a better way to surface that error
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp @benwerd: I just found out that Chrome on android runs out of memory and dies if you keep posting photos from it ()
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tommorris
chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp @benwerd: I am demoing chickens - a POSSE of chickens that syndicates out ()
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caseorganic
benwerd: this service is beautiful
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caseorganic
chicken, chicken, chicken
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caseorganic
http://isotropic.org/papers/chicken.pdf
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caseorganic
^^ important reading
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tommorris
would love to see the UI in detail of how this guy's doing OSM checkin. or chickin
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@ozten
Ben Werdmuller brought a posse of chickens #indiewebcamp ()
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp @benwerd: now I am using my checkin plugin it uses js geolocation + openstreetmap but no-one has a good POI db except 4square ()
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smus.com
edited /2013/Guest_List (+313) "/* Remote Participants */" (view diff)
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@WardCunningham
I was speaking at #IndieWebCamp moments ago. Photo posted here: http://werd.io/view/51c5e81cbed7de5555ca19dc ()
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tommorris
KevinMarks: depends on where. OSM POI database is pretty good. US is a bit rubbish in comparison.
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tommorris
rather it's good in the UK
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tommorris
not so good in the US
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smus
aaronpk: seems pretty straight forward to fix
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tommorris
may have helped make it quite good in the UK thanks to being such a bar-hopping mapslut. :)
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bret
chicken
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp @benwerd: by putting in a place name and a geolocation I POSSE to foursquare to get a better geopoint, and keep both ()
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bret
where are you?
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tommorris
Suburbia!
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ozten
https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp
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caseorganic
etherpad.mozillar.org/indiewebcamp
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sandeepshetty
thank you..
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smus
possible to share screen? slides not readable from hangout.
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@npdoty
@benwerd Chickens demo almost as good as checkins demo. Have you looked at privatesquare? http://straup.github.io/privatesquare/ #indiewebcamp ()
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sandeepshetty
the clapping is the clearest thing I've heard so far
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bret
:(
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp @t: so @tommorris and @benwerd are racing to be the 4th to implement indieweb comments ()
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@benwerd
RT @kevinmarks: #indiewebcamp @t: so @tommorris and @benwerd are racing to be the 4th to implement indieweb comments ()
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@julien51
The only reason why I keep a little faith in Google is the fact that several of its amazing engineers are at #indiewebcamp. ()
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tommorris
barnabywalters: does PHP-uf2 parse <object> ?
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tommorris
barnabywalters: trying to do <object class="p-author" data="#me"></object>
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barnabywalters
tommorris: no, include pattern not happening yet
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barnabywalters
haven’t sorted out how to deal with recursiveness
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tommorris
yeah, gjones' parser isn't liking it either
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tommorris
because I've sent you a webmention but your parser isn't liking my authorship ;)
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@ozten
RT @pjf: #indiewebcamp: @fmarier: Did I see that you generate 1x1 px thumbnails? Because I *so* want those from gravatar. ;) ()
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@ak2webd3
RT @kevinmarks: #indiewebcamp @WardCunningham: I write everyday at http://ward.fed.wiki.org/welcome-visitors.html Instead of sharing a disk through a web interface… ()
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tommorris
barnabywalters: I linked to http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4QdC0_/ but the link back isn't going to my site.
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tommorris
which means that the author property isn't set properly. ;)
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@TryEventifier
Tweets, pics, videos of #IndieWebCamp | Relive at http://eventifier.co/event/iwcp13/ @t @kevinmarks @bradfitz Thank you!  ()
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donpdonp
how do people with shorturls like http://aaron.pk/r4Qd2 avoid hitting an existing url like http://aaron.pk/about
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donpdonp
(assuming /about existed :)
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tommorris
goes afk for a moment
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jacksenechal
Huginn https://github.com/cantino/huginn
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp in response to call for an indie ITTT, @clint suggests: huginn https://github.com/cantino/huginn ()
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sandeepshetty
help! can't see the speakers... ppl standing in front of the cam
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donpdonp
pfenwick: https://github.com/cantino/huginn#huginn--your-agents-are-standing-by
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sandeepshetty
ok I'm giving up on the hangout... can't hear a thing....
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@kevinmarks
@kitt POSSE is Publish Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE ()
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indiewebcamp
sorry about the hangouts guys
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tommorris
it's good. ;)
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tommorris
the audio is a bit shaky
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indiewebcamp
i'll move this computer into other rooms when we get going
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indiewebcamp
should work better in a smaller room
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@pjf
I'm going to talk at #indiewebcamp about Indie IFTTT. (aka: "API all the things!") ()
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tommorris
I'm not sure what a content addressable semantic graph is though. ;)
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sandeepshetty
t's mostly my connection
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp @t: you have to have an HTML version, so why not make that your data master too. ()
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@benwerd
I forgot to demo my alternate template! http://werd.io/?_t=hanshotfirst #indiewebcamp ()
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sandeepshetty
backcamp
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pfefferle
sandeepshetty: can you also try to send me comment?
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barnabywalters
who’s stylish shirt is that we can see?
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sandeepshetty
sure..
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aaronparecki.com
edited /2013/Schedule (+686) "update schedule from the whiteboard" (view diff)
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aaronpk
oops haha I was talking through the indiewebcamp account
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barnabywalters
mildly redesigned notes: http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4QdC0_/
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barnabywalters
not sure about the right-aligned metadata yet
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@skry
RT @donpdonp: #indiewebcamp demos are starting http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/demos also irc freenode #indiewebcam. ()
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@JBezivin
RT @WardCunningham: I was speaking at #IndieWebCamp moments ago. Photo posted here: http://werd.io/view/51c5e81cbed7de5555ca19dc ()
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tommorris
barnabywalters: my links are still broken. trying to work out how to nudge your parser into accepting that my site is tommorris.org rather than waterpigs.co.uk ;)
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@kitt
Following @kevinmarks and #indiewebcamp today, as I sprint to finish writing my first book. #exciting! ()
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: do you have an h-card on notizblog?
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@_le_fil_
Tantek: @kevinmarks I've got #POSSE working to Twitter, and even replies too. #indiewebcamp demo.: http://tantek.com/2013/173/t1/posse-twitter-replies-indiewebcamp?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter ()
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pfefferle
yes, but no image
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pfefferle
not yet
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp #webfinger @bradfitz: email is a write-only identifier, webfinger is supposed to make it readable ()
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barnabywalters
tommorris: it’s not, the hrefs are empty
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barnabywalters
so I’m not finding your author URL for some reason
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp #webfinger @bradfitz: webfinger mailing list has now become the ultimate bikeshedding, and I'm sick of all of it ()
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@tommorris
Participating in #indiewebcamp remotely. Photo with Ward Cunningham in the front and me on the Google Hangout on ... http://tommorris.org/posts/8387 ()
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barnabywalters
I’ll have a look in the raw file
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tommorris
barnabywalters: I haven't got a u-url in my h-card.
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp #webfinger @bradfitz: most people don't own their own domain name, emails are dying because people are on other walled gardens ()
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barnabywalters
tommorris: that would explain it
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tommorris
adding one
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pdurbin
jancborchardt: you use Huginn?
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pdurbin
whoops
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp #webfinger @bradfitz: all your emails are now signed with DKIM. We've come up with WebFist - email us and we scrypt it ()
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pdurbin
wrong j. sorry
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tommorris
aaronpk: no sound on the Hangout stream
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp #webfinger @haxor: all email form twitter, facebook or google is already DKIM signed so you can update using any of them ()
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tommorris
that's how you get someone's attention ;)
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pdurbin
hangout going on?
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tommorris
works now
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tommorris
pdurbin: yep
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aaronpk
un-muted
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tommorris
https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/f5e421087e0e8078b2b8a6deac6c2f77c259b940
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barnabywalters
tommorris: getting lots of weirdness on your site in safari
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tommorris
layout stuff? yeah, need to sort that out
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pfefferle
some frames...
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barnabywalters
FRAMES
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barnabywalters
also, fixed links on that comment you left
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tommorris
oh, that'd be the objects. I should get rid of them
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tommorris
barnabywalters: I'll send you another one for testing in a sec.
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WardCunningham
we;re video chatting about federated wiki at http://bit.ly/SFWhangout
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@zarhooie
RT @pjf: OH: "The documentation for pokémon on Yahoo! Answers is better than any documentation from Oracle." — @caseorganic #indiewebcamp ()
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pdurbin
who's giving the talk?
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barnabywalters
tommorris: lack of u-url on the h-entry shouldn’t matter any more, I fall back to mention.from now
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pdurbin
aaronpk: ah. looks like you're the one standing up and talking
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pdurbin
(not that I can make out the words, unfortunately) :(
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aaronpk
nope not me
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@BarnabyWalters
Talking about peer-to-peer federated files haring at #indiewebcamp Reykjavik remote party: ()
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pdurbin
aaronpk: huh. your camera, I suppose
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aaronpk
yea i couldn't remember the login for my indiewebcamp gmail account
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tommorris
barnabywalters: just sent you another ping. it works!
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pfefferle
tommorris: you can also try pinging notizblog.org ;)
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pdurbin
aaronpk: so whom are you filming?
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: getting an error.. looking into it.. did you get a request from me?
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aaronpk
the hangout computer is in the main room
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pfefferle
sandeepshetty: no
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tommorris
barnabywalters, pfefferle: fixed the objects thing.
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp facebook's rel=me link is now behind a captcha, commented out in a hidden element (with a sign saying beware of the leopard) ()
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@reidab
I’d really hoped to get to #indiewebcamp this morning, but the post-@osbridge sleeps got me. ()
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@toddbarnard
Goal: Merge @xoxo, @yxyy and @indiewebcamp into a single event by 2015 as to not spend $10,000+ in airfare and hotel to attend separately. ()
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: problem with my e-content
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sandeepshetty
fixing
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barnabywalters
tommorris: wonderful! the magic is beginning to wear off already ;)
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tommorris
hey tantek
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tantek
hey
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aaronpk
barnabywalters: tommorris: and other remote people, just let me know which room you want me to move the hangout machine into! http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/Schedule
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pdurbin
aaronpk: maybe I'm reading http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/Schedule wrong. it seems like the main room should be empty right now
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tantek.com
created /2013/WebFinger_Past_Present_Future (+80) "stub" (view diff)
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aaronpk
ah that was switched at the last minute...one sec
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tommorris
thanks aaronpk
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aaronparecki.com
edited /2013/Schedule (+0) "/* Saturday, June 22, 2013 (Idea Sessions) */" (view diff)
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pdurbin
aaronpk: much better. thanks
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: source not found: http://www.sandeep.io/73
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@kevinmarks
@shanley @kitt it's about people building their own web sites and connecting them: http://indiewebcamp.com/Main_Page (yes @heroku could help) ()
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tantek
hey everyone - please create etherpads for your sessions and add them to the main etherpad. See the top of this for details: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp
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pfefferle
sandeepshetty: ok, will have a look
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@benwerd
Webfiiinger / The well-known URL with identity discovery data / To save for later #indiewebcamp ()
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eschnou
hi all, how are things doing in Portland ?
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tommorris
barnabywalters: your new comment view is lovely
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barnabywalters
tommorris: oh thanks
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pfefferle
sandeepshetty: my http-client can't access your web page...
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@SergioLuque
Join Flight Crew #INDIEWEB and help us compete globally in Pocket Planes! ()
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@benwerd
RT @WardCunningham: I was speaking at #IndieWebCamp moments ago. Photo posted here: http://werd.io/view/51c5e81cbed7de5555ca19dc ()
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp @bradfitz: if they are talking about public/private keys and keysigning parties with other people with beards, it's doomed ()
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@julien51
Reconfigured my http://ouvre-boite.com with my own XMPP server, since Google Chat is closing. julien@ouvre-boite.com #indiewebcamp #prosody ()
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aaronparecki.com
edited /2013/Schedule (+26) "/* IndieWebCamp Group Dinner */" (view diff)
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edited /2013/Schedule (+0) "/* Saturday, June 22, 2013 (Idea Sessions) */" (view diff)
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tommorris
aaronpk: feed is dead
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barnabywalters
the session grid is looking fascinating — really regretting not being a) in portland and b) able to be in 12 places at once
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp so WebFist is giving WebFinger the finger? ()
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indiewebcamp
chrome quit
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pdurbin
ah... plugged in some external speakers and I can actually hear now
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pfefferle
sandeepshetty: ok, had to set up the timeout… works now :)
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pfefferle
still something wrong with my chard parser
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: warning on line 154 of webmention.php
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aaronparecki.com
edited /2013/Schedule (+66) "/* Saturday, June 22, 2013 (Idea Sessions) */" (view diff)
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tommorris
barnabywalters: worked out why my webmention wasn't posting. my HTTP library was trying to GET rather than POST
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pfefferle
sandeepshetty: fixed. can you send it once again?
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tommorris
barnabywalters: you have a new comment on http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4QbH5C/ ;)
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aaronpk
barnabywalters: your css looks odd to me on that page now :(
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aaronpk
oh there it goes... had to *really* hard refresh
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aaronpk
now it looks quite nice!
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: sent.
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pfefferle
sandeepshetty: yiha! worked
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pfefferle
http://notizblog.org/2013/06/20/5231/#comments
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@obra
RT @kevinmarks: #indiewebcamp @bradfitz: if they are talking about public/private keys and keysigning parties with other people with beards… ()
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barnabywalters
tommorris: RE get vs post, that would explain it ;)
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: if you pick up the p-summary instead.. you will get just the comment'
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: see http://indiewebcamp.com/comments-presentation
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tommorris
barnabywalters: this is what I get for trying to use a "modern" and "up-to-date" HTTP library. should have stuck with the crappy old Ruby HTTP library from yesteryear
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pfefferle
sandeepshetty: ok will change that
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eschnou
barnabywalters, css is great on chrome, broken on my firefox. It would be nice if you could also style your webactions, because right now they break everything :-(
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tommorris
barnabywalters: what eschnou said. looks fine on chrome but not on FF
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barnabywalters
eschnou: ah, okay. I’ll have a look and fix it on FF
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barnabywalters
eschnou: “break everything” — oh dear! how so?
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@timClicks
RT @pjf: #indiewebcamp: @fmarier: Did I see that you generate 1x1 px thumbnails? Because I *so* want those from gravatar. ;) ()
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sandeepshetty
barnabywalters: oh i see it now.... looking good
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@joshuajuran
Crashing #indiewebcamp today :-) ()
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@eschnou
@BarnabyWalters Here is how your webactions look in my browser. #indieweb https://twitter.com/eschnou/status/348529977379147778/photo/1 ()
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pfefferle
sandeepshetty: you made the same error… you have to encode the < to &lt;
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eschnou
barnabywalters, Just tweeted a screenshot, and yes, I'm ashamed, but right now storytlr can't mix pictures and indiereplies..
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barnabywalters
eschnou: okay, so it’s a bit ugly but hardly “breaks everything” ;)
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barnabywalters
but is ugly, so will fix
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pfefferle
tommorris: päääm http://notizblog.org/2013/06/20/5231/#comments
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eschnou
barnabywalters, ha, well, yeah, it breaks the whole symmetry/balance/esthetic .. everything :-)
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tommorris
pfefferle: your Link header broke my link header parser. having to switch it out for a non-broken one.
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pfefferle
tommorris: oh, what was the fault? I thought it was like the spec said...
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: how are you checking for target link? in the h-entry or the whole page/dom?
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tommorris
pfefferle: well, I wrote a regex to parse the Link header based on barnaby's example. yours is ever so slightly different
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pfefferle
sandeepshetty: no, everything works fine, but it parses you summary like: "Excited to see wordpress support for webmention and some 22 Jun 2013 0 Comments 0 Likes 0 Reposts 0 Mentions" because of the <3
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pfefferle
tommorris: that means "nothing wrong, only different"??
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sandeepshetty
yeahs thats php-mf2
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pfefferle
sandeepshetty: yes, and if you encode it like &lt;3 it will work...
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tantek.com
edited /2013/Schedule (+17) "food carts at 5th & Oak!" (view diff)
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barnabywalters
just to reiterate: UPGRADE TO PHP-MF2 0.1.15 and set $parser->htmlSafe = true and these problems will go away
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barnabywalters
will add instructions to the readme after dinner
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tommorris
pfefferle: yours doesn't quote properly.
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tommorris
pfefferle: Link: <http://notizblog.org/?webmention=endpoint>
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tommorris
rel=http://webmention.org/, <http://notizblog.org/t/1TB>
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tommorris
rel=shortlink
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tommorris
should be Link: <http://notizblog.org/?webmention=endpoint>
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tommorris
rel="http://webmention.org/", <http://notizblog.org/t/1TB>
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tommorris
rel="shortlink"
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tommorris
note the quotes
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barnabywalters
tommorris: you’re writing a regex to parse link headers? does your client not do that for you?
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tantek.com
edited /2013/Schedule (+182) "make that 10th & Washington - with map link" (view diff)
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pfefferle
tommorris: oh ok, will change that, thanks
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tommorris
barnabywalters: no, I'm switching to a library to do it
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tommorris
barnabywalters: https://github.com/asplake/link_header/
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barnabywalters
nice
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pdurbin
jeez, you'd think the people in the hangout would want some lunch. guess they're hungry for indieweb!
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tommorris
pdurbin: I had my dinner earlier. ;)
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tommorris
although I may go for a quick break
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@TryEventifier
Tweets, pics, videos of #IndieWebCamp | Relive at http://eventifier.co/event/iwcp13/ @benwerd @xtof_fr @julien51 Thank you! ()
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tantek.com
edited /2013/Schedule (+3) "/* Saturday, June 22, 2013 (Idea Sessions) */ fix URL for lunch" (view diff)
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pdurbin
tommorris: you're from the future
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tommorris
BST is the future.
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tommorris
I wonder whether it'd be naughty if I changed the map link to openstreetmap ;)
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pdurbin
be bold
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pdurbin
huh. http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/Scholarly_Markdown ... i thought that's what latex was for :)
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tommorris
50 Shades of Markup
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tommorris
dude on screen seems excited. that's how I felt after coming back from IWCUK2012
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pdurbin
dude with the hat?
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tommorris
yeah
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pdurbin
can barely hear them
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tommorris.org
edited /2013/Schedule (+110) "/* Saturday, June 22, 2013 (Idea Sessions) */ adding OSM link for lunch" (view diff)
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pdurbin
rabbitmq or something. c layer
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pfefferle
sandeepshetty: you should document the p-summary part in the wiki! it is a nice way to separate the "real" comment form the context you have to provide for your own readers!
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pfefferle
sandeepshetty: really nice idea!
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pfenwick
I keep forgetting the spycams are in here. :)
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tommorris
hey ;)
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pdurbin
pfenwick: move closer to the mic :)
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pfenwick
I'm the guy in the tophat. I just got a message-bus working for Indie-IFTTT that I was working on.
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tommorris
pfefferle: I was just saying you sounded excited. that's a good thing. ;)
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pfenwick
pdurbin: I was actually about to grab lunch. Otherwise I'll be in a raging fit of hunger when I run my session.
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tommorris
rapidly approaching 9:30 London time
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pdurbin
pfenwick: eat eat you're getting thin
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pfefferle
tommorris: i am, i am :)
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: It's on the wiki link I gave you earlier... see the section: "get the text of the comment to display"
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: also I normally have the same plain text version in e-content (http://www.sandeep.io/44) just changed it for the comment I sent you thinking that was the problem.. going back to plaintext in e-content again now..
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: wiki link: http://indiewebcamp.com/comments-presentation
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pfefferle
sandeepshetty: yea! thanks! that helps a lot!
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tommorris
just been having an interesting conversation about webmention - https://twitter.com/ELLIOTTCABLE/status/348537348151193600
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@ELLIOTTCABLE
@tommorris what about, you know, apps *not* stuck in the noughties? WebSocket, or at the very least “AJAX” content? ()
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sandeepshetty
:)
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barnabywalters
ha ha ha — wow
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pfefferle
time to implement web mention support for wordpress comments
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barnabywalters
“I don’t write a blog” — then your opinions are not really relevant to this technology, which is a progression of blogging
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barnabywalters
arrogance notwithstanding, more realtime-ey comments would be great
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barnabywalters
but not a priority
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barnabywalters
getting widespread indiecomment support is a priority
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barnabywalters
realtimeyness can be added by implementors if they care about it
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tommorris
barnabywalters: to be fair, Elliott is a well-meaning semi-troll I've known for some years. ;)
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pfefferle
what i meant was more like a way to answer a webmention comment and that is also a comment in wordpress
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tommorris
I do think that any approach to web development where you don't actually get back the primary content of the page in the damn browser when you have JS turned off is fundamentally broken and represents a complete wrong path in contemporary web developmen
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tommorris
s/$/t/
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Loqi
tommorris meant to say: I do think that any approach to web development where you don't actually get back the primary content of the page in the damn browser when you have JS turned off is fundamentally broken and represents a complete wrong path in contemporary web development
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tommorris
and any technology that guides people away from that is a good thing
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http://www.sandeep.io/73
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pfefferle
<3 ;)
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pfefferle
is someone of you supporting url fragments to point to a specific id which should be parsed??
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sandeepshetty
barnabywalters: http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4QdGxv/
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pfefferle
for example http://notizblog.org/2013/06/20/5231/#comment-213610 points to tommorris comment and only that should be parsed
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sandeepshetty
parsed for what?
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pfefferle
webmention
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pfefferle
if i use this as source http://notizblog.org/2013/06/20/5231/#comment-213610
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sandeepshetty
you mean as a source?
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pfefferle
that means that not the article should be parsed but the comment instead
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sandeepshetty
shouldn't matter to webmention..
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sandeepshetty
it just wants a link to target
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pfefferle
you, but to your implementations
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pfefferle
;)
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sandeepshetty
it's indieweb comments that cares about h-entry
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pfefferle
yea, but that sites has more than one… then
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sandeepshetty
you want the target (receiver) to come back to source and only parse that comment for picking up the in-reply-to right?
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pfefferle
yes
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sandeepshetty
s/right/content, right/
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Loqi
sandeepshetty meant to say: you want the target (receiver) to come back to source and only parse that comment for picking up the in-reply-to content, right?
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sandeepshetty
the thing is that #fragments are something clients should understand...
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sandeepshetty
the way to do it is to tell php-mf2 to parse only from that id
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sandeepshetty
I jsut did a comment to a comment just now btw.. but in a twitter kinda way.. each is it's own post.. and you could theoretically follow the in-reply-to to get the thread
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pfefferle
do you parse every hcard on the site or only the first one?
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sandeepshetty
I parse them all but pick up only the first one if there isn't an author in the h-entry
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barnabywalters
see /authorship for author h-card determining algorithm
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sandeepshetty
http://www.sandeep.io/74 is in-reply-to http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4QdGxv/ which is in-reply-to http://www.sandeep.io/64
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barnabywalters
see also https://github.com/barnabywalters/php-mf-cleaner/blob/master/src/BarnabyWalters/Mf2/Functions.php#L117
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pfefferle
but shouldn't you look at all h-entries for the u-in-reply-to
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pfefferle
???
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sandeepshetty
barnabywalters: I asked the other day about some confusion I had about that on IRC.. but nobody answered.. I couldn't figure out the rel-author stuff
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barnabywalters
getAuthor($hEntry, $mfContext)
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: I'm assuming you are sending the post details page.. with only 1 h-entry
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pfefferle
the comments are entries too
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barnabywalters
comments on a h-entry shouldn’t be h-entries at the same level
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barnabywalters
they should be h-entry p-comment to the parent entry
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barnabywalters
http://microformats.org/wiki/comment-brainstorming#Use_case_for_same_page_u-in-reply-to
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sandeepshetty
hree's my version : https://github.com/converspace/converspace/blob/master/webmention.php#L31
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sandeepshetty
s/hree's/barnabywalters, pfefferle here's
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Loqi
sandeepshetty meant to say: barnabywalters, pfefferle here's my version : https://github.com/converspace/converspace/blob/master/webmention.php#L31
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@smllmp
RT @dleony: RT @bradfitz Camlistore 0.2 is now out: http://camlistore.org/docs/release/0.2 ... #golang #indiewebcamp ()
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@smllmp
RT @bradfitz: Camlistore 0.2 is now out: https://camlistore.org/docs/release/0.2 ... #golang #indiewebcamp ()
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sandeepshetty
barnabywalters: I'll look at your to make sense of what I didn't understand... btw I've also extracted my stuff in a separate file and will be making it a package soon https://github.com/converspace/converspace/blob/master/webmention.php
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barnabywalters
woot multiple implementations!
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barnabywalters
bear in mind getAuthor is not an absolute implementation of /authorship — based more on what I’ve seen in the wild
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sandeepshetty
this is more like aaronpk's mention-client + (i'm guessing) your cleaner
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pfefferle
sandeepshetty: are you only checking the u-like but not the url? that is definitively wrong http://www.sandeep.io/73
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: yeah I just quicky hacked it up in the morning today...
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sandeepshetty
I should defn check that it's the same as target
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Loqi
it is probable
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sandeepshetty
what did you send in that webmention?
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tommorris
right, I need to disconnect from the stream
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tommorris
it's after 10pm and I've reached saturation point. ;)
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sandeepshetty
GN
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tommorris
yep, thanks sandeepshetty
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barnabywalters
goodnight tommorris
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Loqi
night
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tommorris
and thanks barnabywalters for helping earlier with webmention testing
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pfefferle
sandeepshetty: no, only if it is inside the h-entry
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pfefferle
sandeepshetty: if you would cycle through all entries, than my comment would show up: http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http://notizblog.org/2013/06/20/5231/
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: sorry didn't understand..
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: right.. I stop at the first h-entry
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sandeepshetty
the assumption is that there is only one h-entry per page..
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pfefferle
if you check every h-entry on a page to find the one that points to the target, than it would be possible to have comments and the post on one page and it would work nevertheless
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sandeepshetty
barnabywalters: is there no h-feed in uf2? is it now recommended that you have multiple h-entry per page instead?
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barnabywalters
pfefferle: that *is* possible if you mark the comments up correctly
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pfefferle
i did
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pfefferle
http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http://notizblog.org/2013/06/20/5231/
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barnabywalters
so, there are not multiple h-cards at the root level
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barnabywalters
no, not h-comment
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barnabywalters
p-comment as a property of the h-entry it’s in reply to
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barnabywalters
there is no h-comment
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barnabywalters
see http://microformats.org/wiki/comment-brainstorming#Use_case_for_same_page_u-in-reply-to
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barnabywalters
and, live implementations: http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4QdC0_/
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npdoty
https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-citation
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@datacosmos
#dataecosystems #indiewebcamp Mycelial networks of autonomous nodes will replace the skyscraper models of today. ()
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aaronpk
https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-indiebox
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barnabywalters
I take that back — advantage of remote participating is that I *can* be in multiple sessions at once ;)
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npdoty
https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-citation
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: even I did go over the comments properly I still have the problem of my db structure at the moment that assumes only one "Type" of mention from a url
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pfefferle
barnabywalters: but you had the same problem on your site: http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4QaEgT/
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: so it allows for only one triple per (source, target, type)
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npdoty
https://github.com/karthikram/markdown_science
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pfefferle
barnabywalters: you also take the first h-entry, if it links to your site or not…
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barnabywalters
pfefferle: I need to fix that, you need to mark up comments properly ;)
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pfefferle
they are… aren't they?
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barnabywalters
no, I pointed out why several times. They are marked up as h-entries on the same level as the h-entry they are in reply to
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barnabywalters
they should be p-comments *of the h-entry they are in reply to*
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barnabywalters
or are we talking about completely different things?
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: this is good stuff.. I still need to think about allowing more than one mention from a given source...
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barnabywalters
agreed, great testing material!
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pfefferle
barnabywalters: i understand that they might not be marked up like the wiki said, but per definition it should work without any changes
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barnabywalters
pfefferle: yes, and I need to fix that
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pfefferle
no problem, only wanted to know if my idea was wrong or not ;)
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pfefferle
nevertheless i think i should provide permalinks for my comments, that is way easier to handle!
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sandeepshetty
barnabywalters: didn't tantek ask about support for id in php-mf2? i.e., to start parsing only from id
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pfefferle
yes…
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barnabywalters
yep, going to add it this evening/tomorrow
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: you mean one post per comment right? like the one I sent earlier?
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pfefferle
yes, that a comment has it's own url (with only one h-entry)
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sandeepshetty
I was just adding checks to see that the like==target, repost==target but realized that they are all arrays :(
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aaronpk
erinjo: caseorganic: can you guys take notes on your session on the etherpad? https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp make a new doc with the session hashtag like the ones on that page
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sandeepshetty
mf2 is toooo flexible :p
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barnabywalters
sandeepshetty: I’m guessing you’ve never used RDF… ;)
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pfefferle
:D
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barnabywalters
who was it who wasn’t publishing u-url on their h-entries?
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pfefferle
i was it, but i added it yesterday
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pfefferle
ah and tommorris?
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sandeepshetty
barnabywalters: nope.. and I'm guessing that's a good thing :)
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tommorris
pfefferle: I wasn't publishing u-url on my h-card not on my h-entry
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sandeepshetty
still here :)
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aaronpk
tantek: care to chime in on this thread? https://github.com/converspace/webmention/issues/13
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pfefferle
barnabywalters: i changed my script to search for like, mention, in-reply-to (must add url) and fall back to search if the content has a matching url
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@drnormal
RT @pjf: Today I'm celebrating a successful week at #osb13 by going to IndieWebCamp. ()
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pfefferle
barnabywalters: if it doesn't find one it tries the next h-entry
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pfefferle
but i have to add summary and name
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barnabywalters
pfefferle: that sounds more robust
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: https://github.com/converspace/converspace/commit/268d3e3b3ce5a8622a9955d0b5090b9eb2ce6683
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aaronpk
barnabywalters: were you trying to say something?
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: nope, there are a load of others here so I muted
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aaronpk
ah ok
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aaronpk
I only see you on the hangout now
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: yeah, it terminated but I refreshed
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pfefferle
sandeepshetty: looks good, but do you still parse only the first one?
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aaronpk
everybody else left?
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: yeah need to think about that a bit
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sandeepshetty
aaronpk: I have a bad connect so it's sorta pointless..
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sandeepshetty
I'm just hanging around on IRC
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aaronpk
heh ok
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barnabywalters
I’m *really* really tempted to weigh in on that webmention issue but don’t trust myself not to say something stupid
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bnvk
barnabywalters: DO IT :D
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aaronpk
yea... i'm trying to write something not too snarky
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sandeepshetty
is reading #13
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aaronpk
trying to find a citation for the duplicate content problem that microformats addresses
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tantek
aaronpk - DRY principle?
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aaronpk
tantek: yea, I thought there was a page on microformats.org
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sandeepshetty
his point about dynamic content is very valid though
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KevinMarks
http://microformats.org/wiki/dry
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barnabywalters
thanks KevinMarks
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tantek
that works
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tantek
:)
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tommorris
my view is very simple: dynamic content isn't on the web. it's on some layer of crap on top of the web
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aaronpk
thanks
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tommorris
all the backbone.js front-end abusers aren't building the web anymore. they are building web.js
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aaronpk
web.js lol
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barnabywalters
“if I can’t get it with a GET request, it’s not on the web”
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tommorris
if I can't open up Lynx, type in the URL and see the content, it's not on the web, it's on web.js
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tommorris
and call me an old-fashioned fundamentalist, but I prefer the web to web.js
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barnabywalters
discovered lynx last year and loves it
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tantek.com
created /2013/Reducing_the_Size_of_the_Stack (+69) "stub" (view diff)
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znmeb
My web site used to be listed in the "Lynx Hall of Fame" ;-)
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aaronpk
barnabywalters: can I put that quote in my reply to this?
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: please do, also note I stole it from Jeremy Keith and can provide citations if required
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aaronpk
[citation needed]
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aaronpk
the more I can reference with URLs the better
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barnabywalters
okay, will find link
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barnabywalters
actually you could probably use any random blog post on adactio.com and it would convey the same message ;0
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barnabywalters
;)
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aaronpk
hahahaha
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Loqi
hehe
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: okay, it’s in here somewhere: http://vimeo.com/42225804
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sandeepshetty
"The last time, the simple tools we all built exceeded our most outlandish predictions of their social impact in every regard." - https://medium.com/i-m-h-o/65fb61abc815
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aaronpk
hah ok i'll just link to the video
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aaronpk
ok https://github.com/converspace/webmention/issues/13#issuecomment-19865368
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: based on http://microformats.org/wiki/comment-brainstorming I will still be parsing just the first one.. but might have to follow p-comments... but it's still uncertain which one applies no?
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sandeepshetty
aaronpk: based on the tone of his comment I doubt he will buy anything we have to say :) plus from his own admission ("I don’t write a blog" - https://twitter.com/ELLIOTTCABLE/status/348537348151193600) he is looking more at "apps" than content
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@ELLIOTTCABLE
@tommorris what about, you know, apps *not* stuck in the noughties? WebSocket, or at the very least “AJAX” content? ()
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aaronpk
hahaha
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tommorris
play the ball, ladies and gents, not the man.
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aaronpk
wow
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aaronpk
that's quite the thread
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tantek
what thread?
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tommorris
Elliott means well. I disagree with him profoundly, and he may seem like he's trolling slightly, but he is genuine and means well.
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aaronpk
on twitter
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aaronpk
tommorris++ for linking to http://tommorris.org/posts/2547 in that thread!
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Loqi
tommorris has 9 karma
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tantek
wow
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tantek
Elliot's flaw: "I don’t write a blog" - yeah, but he tweets. So he sharecrop blogs.
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tommorris
from my perspective, the amount of times I've been screwed over by bad JavaScript doing unpredictable things when, say, disconnected from the Internet
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tantek
so meh
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pfefferle
sandeepshetty: Sounds Good! Will rethink my markup!
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tommorris
like, Wikipedia and Quora. I use both. Quora is absolutely ridiculously over-engineer front-end wise. And it's failed on me hundreds of times while using it. wikipedia has only a very minimal layer of javascript that's tacked on for admin/maintenance work etc.
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tommorris
and I happily deal with that all day long
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: if there are multiple links (from different comments) to target, there is no way for me to determine which one applies... unless I look at the source url you sent and parse out the #fragment from it
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tommorris
I'm unrepresentative, I'm sure, but the non-JS heavy stuff actually is more usable
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@pjf
Neat. My exobrain publisher is now watching 4SQ check-ins, and my subscriber is sending them to my phone via XMPP. #indiewebcamp #indieifttt ()
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aaronpk
heading to the auth jam session
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sandeepshetty
BTW, did I mention comments on my site are UPDATEABLE?
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tommorris
because I've been using the web for over 15 years, I have hard-wired into my brain how the web works. go around and fuck with that to build sexy web.js apps and my brain breaks
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aaronpk
barnabywalters: do you want to come to the auth jam session?
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sandeepshetty
tommorris: I agree but even with web.js there is the underying static json services..
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sandeepshetty
my first attempt at webmention was actually activitypingback (json activitystreams based) but then I realized its better to be dry
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sandeepshetty
it's just that for the web.js guys the json is the dry representation
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sandeepshetty
tommorris: also I think the biggest flaw in his comment is "Abandon spam-checking altogether" -https://github.com/converspace/webmention/issues/13
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tommorris
the problem is that there's no semantics in JSON
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tommorris
like, the semantics of a JSON document are "whatever some programmer dreamt up"
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sandeepshetty
tommorris: they are working on that.. json-ld
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sandeepshetty
(for e.g.)
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tommorris
oh, no, I love me some JSON-LD
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tommorris
but that's not what I mean either
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sandeepshetty
you mean like a schema?
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tommorris
like, there's not even a base level of semantics beyond "herp derp this is a string"
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tommorris
at least with HTML, there are links. in JSON, there are just strings that look vaguely URL-like
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tommorris
if it doesn't have links, it's not part of the damn web
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sandeepshetty
I see what you mean...
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tommorris
like, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/">Wikipedia</a> is a link
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tommorris
a div that at some point might have some javascript that makes it so that when you click on it, it'll make your browser change its location to http://en.wikipedia.org/ - well, okay, that's *sort of* a link
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@benwerd
Ha! No-one came to my session on #following, which means I get to see an extended demo of Camlistore. Awesome. #indiewebcamp ()
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@beemuvi
Fixes and improvements to our webhook feature for mirroring your data. Real-time PESOS! http://indiewebcamp.com/PESOS #indiewebcamp HT @pjf ()
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@benwerd
@tryeventifier I also have event photos up on http://t.co/Wak7BLmaOJ, which has feeds tagged #indiewebcamp. Feel free to syndicate. ()
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sandeepshetty
tommorris: that doesn't feel like a link at all.
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tantek.com
created /2013/Auth_Jam_Session (+71) "stub" (view diff)
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ozten
https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-indieauth
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sandeepshetty
barnabywalters: did you want me to join a hangout?
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bret
is there smoeone from superfeeder at IWC today?
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aaronpk
barnabywalters: sorry I can't figure out the audio with this thing
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npdoty.name
edited /2013/Schedule (+14) "/* Saturday, June 22, 2013 (Idea Sessions) */ changing title of the citations session" (view diff)
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: no problem, I can hear you okay
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barnabywalters
brennan and I are busy with webmention stuff anyway :)
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aaronpk
cool
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aaronpk
https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-indieauth
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barnabywalters
thanks, I’m following along
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npdoty.name
created /2013/Citations_and_Scholarly_Markdown (+1347) "notes (mostly links) from Etherpad for the citation/scholarship session" (view diff)
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npdoty.name
edited /2013/Citations_and_Scholarly_Markdown (+20) "/* Session on Scholarly Markdown / Web Citations */" (view diff)
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npdoty
wonders if Loqi could ignore wiki edits that are marked as minor
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barnabywalters
npdoty: yeah, or not shout quite so loudly about them
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npdoty.name
edited /2013/Citations_and_Scholarly_Markdown (+111) "/* Session on Scholarly Markdown / Web Citations */ etherpad link, just in case" (view diff)
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@TryEventifier
RT @benwerd: @tryeventifier I also have event photos up on http://t.co/Wak7BLmaOJ, which has feeds tagged #indiewebcamp. Feel free to syndi… ()
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp @bradfitz's Camlistore is looking like an implementation of The Mine Project http://themineproject.org/about/ ()
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pfefferle
I am off to bed... See you tomorrow... Bye Bye!
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donpdonp
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5087005/google-authenticator-available-as-a-public-service
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp @haxor @bradfitz http://themineproject.org/ is @adriana872 and @alecmuffet's project that Camlistore would fit nicely ()
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aaronpk
yea... I don't think mediawiki has that option
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aaronpk
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:MediaWiki-Recent_Changes-IRCBot
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donpdonp
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5087005/google-authenticator-available-as-a-public-service`
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aaronpk
crap, I forgot to take a picture of the whiteboardj
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aaronpk
oh good, most of it got captured in the wiki
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sandeepshetty
aaronpk, barnabywalters: https://github.com/converspace/webmention/issues/13#issuecomment-19866344
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aaronpk
nice
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aaronpk
just got the email notification from github :)
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aaronparecki.com
edited /2013/Auth_Jam_Session (+2195) "copied notes from etherpad" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com
edited /2013/Auth_Jam_Session (+19) (view diff)
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barnabywalters
sandeepshetty: “is your username an acronym” — BOOM! :D
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sandeepshetty
:)
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aaronpk
sorry for the wiki spam guys
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: no, I’m looking forward to reading all the notes!
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bret
:p it's for a good cause
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aaronpk
some of them are just stubs :)
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Loqi
READ ALL THE NOTES http://loqi.me/7Wg
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aaronpk
thanks loqi!
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Loqi
you're welcome
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barnabywalters
what’s the status of IWC at the mo? we’re wrapping up here
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barnabywalters
actually had a really great turnout! lots of good discussion
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aaronpk
barnabywalters: cool! we're in the second to last session, one more then we'll be heading to dinner
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barnabywalters
nice — okay, heading off now. Thanks for all the great discussions and see you tomorrow :)
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aaronpk
dreeves: are you taking notes in an etherpad?
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ozten
bret: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-marketing
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bret
hrrm?
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ozten
sorry
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@ozten
RT @bradfitz: Camlistore 0.2 is now out: https://camlistore.org/docs/release/0.2 ... #golang #indiewebcamp ()
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@haxor
#indiewebcamp Marketing jam – Talking about Cohort Analysis http://bslatkin.github.io/cohorts/ /cc @ozten ()
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dreeves
just started https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-exobrain
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donpdonp
pfenwick: https://ifttt.com/recipes?sort=popular
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@sandeepshetty
Some interesting criticism of #webmention "Your design seems stuck in the noughties" http://www.sandeep.io/75 #indieweb ()
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sandeepshetty
calling it a day (it's 5 AM here) looking forward to reading all the notes.
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Loqi
READ ALL THE NOTES http://loqi.me/7Wg
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donpdonp
http://ankisrs.net/
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bret
what is the etherpad for the ifft talk?
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bret
sorry
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aaronpk
https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-exobrain
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bret
ty
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@snas_dk
@choochoobear well this clears it up. I will be borderline obsessive until NO US company controls my thoughts. #ownyourdata ()
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aaronpk
"Most of what I do on the web is creepy" -pjf
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bret
o.0
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dreeves
tantek: what etherpad are you adding to? something other than https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-exobrain ?
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aaronpk
oh there he goes
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donpdonp
last year's IWC identity discover api: http://openfollow.net/
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tantek.com
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tantek
greetings - HTML is your data session starting in main room (Earth) now
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tantek
https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-htmldata
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aaronpk
digital preservation in the Wind room (in the front with the long table)
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acegiak
morning, all
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RT @bradfitz: Camlistore 0.2 is now out: https://camlistore.org/docs/release/0.2 ... #golang #indiewebcamp ()
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#converspace now fully implements #rssb: automatically shows remote comments, likes, reposts and mentions http://www.sandeep.io/76 #indieweb ()
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caseorganic
Gmail backup: http://gmvault.org/download.html
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@ozten
Talking about IUSEA http://ozten.com/psto/2012/03/29/iusea-and-u-should-tooa/ with the unhosted group at #IndieWebCamp ()
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bret
Any plans this evening in pdx?
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bret
tantek: Any plans tonight?
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donpdonp
bret: they were headed to Amnesia Brewing an hour ago
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bret
Ahh. I'm deep in the se right now
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bret
Maybe I'll swing by, see if anyone is still there on the way home
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@michaeldexter
Missing the #IndieWebCamp :( ()
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@ozten
RT @haxor: #indiewebcamp Marketing jam – Talking about Cohort Analysis http://bslatkin.github.io/cohorts/ /cc @ozten ()
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RT @t: What is the #indieweb and @indiewebcamp? ()
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RT @krynsky: Info on Mozilla Persona Identity system RT @ozten: New Post - Posted from IndieWebCamp http://ozten.com/psto/2013/06/22/posted-from-indiewebcamp/ #indiewebcamp ()
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RT @krynsky: Did I just hear @caseorganic discuss logging into brains at #indiewebcamp? Awesome. ()
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@ozten
If you attended sessions and took private notes, please update shared notes http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/Schedule #IndieWebCamp ()
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bret
anyone around?
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@ozten
@toolness Missing you this weekend! #IndieWebCamp ()
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bret
How do I "follow" someone on the indiweb today?
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RT @kevinmarks: #indiewebcamp @caseorganic: I have a wordpress install on http://caseorganic.com called Brain, that I email things I want t… ()
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