#indieweb

2013-06-23

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@t
Wonderful #indiewebcamp day 1. ()
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Loqi
old iterated.
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tantek.com
created /2013/Introductions (+130) "stub" (view diff)
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tantek.com
edited /2013/Schedule (+19) "/* Sunday, June 23, 2013 (Work Sessions) */ link directly to this year's introductions page" (view diff)
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@kevinmarks
RT @t: Wonderful #indiewebcamp day 1. ()
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Loqi
old iterated.
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tantek.com
edited /2013 (+10) "/* Participating */ IRC" (view diff)
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tantek.com
edited /2013 (+18) "/* Get Your Flights and Hotel */ paramount" (view diff)
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tantek.com
edited /2013 (+72) "/* sponsor */ update sponsored item info and order by time order" (view diff)
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@t
@djabatt see http://indiewebcamp.com/2013#Participating for info on remote participation via IRC, Etherpad, and Google+ Hangout. (ttk.me t4Qe2) ()
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acegiak
bret, you still around?
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bret
Yeah acegiak
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bret
just writing some emails
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bret
whats up?
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@benwerd
Announcing #POSSE sync to Flickr: http://werd.io/view/51c6a5acbed7de1b5ef7af1f http://www.flickr.com/photos/benwerd/9114923136/ #indiewebcamp ()
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bret
put a bird on it
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acegiak__
augh
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bret
wha happened?
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acegiak__
anyway, as I was saying: I'm working on updating http://wordpress.org/plugins/whisperfollow/ to read mf2
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acegiak__
it currently just aggregates rss and atom
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bret
so its an rss and feed consumer
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acegiak__
yeah
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bret
but aparently rss and atom are dead, so I learned today
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bret
is the future an hatom comsumer?
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acegiak__
and yeah, it's a wordpress plugin but by the time I'm finished adding mf2 it will probably be useful to grab code out of
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acegiak__
yeah
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bret
are people still thinking a similar format to google reader though?
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bret
it seems like there is a huge potential for post processing
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bret
but not much work has gone into things like that
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acegiak
?
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bret
sorry im not being very clear
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acegiak
clarify "post processing"?
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bret
it could mean a lot of things, basically any kind of special sorting, grouping, filtering. Anything besides just a straigt chronological list of all your subscription items
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@kevinmarks
RT @benwerd: Announcing #POSSE sync to Flickr: http://werd.io/view/51c6a5acbed7de1b5ef7af1f http://www.flickr.com/photos/benwerd/9114923136/ #indiewebcamp ()
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acegiak
ah ok
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bret
do you think any of the larger feed reader programs or providers would be interested in implementing hatom?
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acegiak
bret, I don't know. I started building my own because I didn't like the way I saw reader going with google plus
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acegiak
google plus is google realising that they can make more money if they don't share data and it shits me to tears :P
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acegiak
cause they said they'd federate
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acegiak
anyway
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bret
its great you are building that! maybe just doing things like that to build indiweb consumers is the way to go, rather than hope some other consumption model will evolve this way
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bret
I would love to see a reader type system that is flexable to handle your traditional feeds, but also some of these other styles of posts like notes, likes, checkins, whatever, in an appropriate manner
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bret
the post processing I was talking about is mainly my hope that better tools are developed to help deal with the fire hose effect of following 500+ sites
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acegiak
bret, yeah
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@kevinmarks
@tom_watson here at #indiewebcamp the encryption by default solutions are making a lot more sense ()
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tantek.com
edited /IndieMark (+335) "a few more 0.1 brainstorms" (view diff)
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tantek.com
edited /2013/Schedule (+23) "/* Sunday, June 23, 2013 (Work Sessions) */ update time slots for ~19:30 PDX flights, possible after party for those still around TBD" (view diff)
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tantek.com
edited /2013/Guest_List (+54) "moved to regrets: Jessica IM'd that she couldn't make it, Andy tweeted as such." (view diff)
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@sandeepshetty
Argh! IRC/Freenode fail whale. Having a hard time joining #indiewebcamp. Had the same issue yesterday. ()
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barnabywalters
good morning indiewebcamp
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sandeepshetty
acegiak: sent you an email.
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barnabywalters
morning sandeepshetty
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sandeepshetty
morning barnabywalters
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pfefferle
sandeepshetty barnabywalters good afternoon
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barnabywalters
oh yeah, actually it’s the afternoon here too :)
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sandeepshetty
is excited to see acegiak it's attempting a uf2 reader
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sandeepshetty
it's past 18:00 hrs here
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pfefferle
sandeepshetty: 14:44
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barnabywalters
12:44
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pfefferle
barnabywalters: that's why you were last last one yesterday ;)
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barnabywalters
pfefferle: yeah, Iceland is closest to the US, and I get to control when night is ;)
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sandeepshetty
:)
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sandeepshetty
the indiewebcamp-marketing notes look interesting
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pfefferle
link?
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barnabywalters
https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-htmldata
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barnabywalters
all the others linked from https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp
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pfefferle
thanks
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barnabywalters
I think they’re all on the wiki now too
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pfefferle
acegiak: have you found the problem with your pingbacks?
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sandeepshetty
barnabywalters: is there no hfeed equivalent in uf2?
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barnabywalters
sandeepshetty: yeah, h-feed. I use it, I think tantek does too, maybe aaronpk
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sandeepshetty
I've seen that but nothing on the uf2 page? Also people using it don't have things like channel names for providing tag specific feeds.
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barnabywalters
nope, I don’t think we added it yet. need to document use cases, why etc.
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barnabywalters
my notes h-feed has a p-name
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sandeepshetty
I want to generate rss/atom from uf2 but it's missing some fields
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barnabywalters
which used to change depending on the tag it was being filtered by but I broke it and haven’t fixed it yet
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sandeepshetty
just like I'm generating the mf2 json representation
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barnabywalters
ooh, actually just spotted a bug in php-mf2
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barnabywalters
on my notes page it’s adding each of the notes’ content property to the h-feed content property
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barnabywalters
thanks sandeepshetty — wouldn’t have caught that otherwise :)
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sandeepshetty
:)
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sandeepshetty
I also plan on looking into the <3 bug and see if it's something that can be fixed with proper encoding.
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barnabywalters
sandeepshetty: just to recap, what is the <3 bug and does it get fixed by upgrading to 0.1.15 and setting $parser->htmlSafe = true?
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pfefferle
barnabywalters sandeepshetty i also use h-feed but only on the !permalink pages
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barnabywalters
pfefferle: oh cool
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sandeepshetty
Any < or > that is not an html tag should be encoded I think
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barnabywalters
sandeepshetty: that already happens in e-* properties, and will happen in non e-* properties if htmlSafe is set
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barnabywalters
in v0.1.15
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barnabywalters
provided there are no problems it will be default behaviour in v0.2
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sandeepshetty
I think it something I need to do add well in converspace before it gets to php-mf2
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sandeepshetty
damn auto correct on my phone
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barnabywalters
yeah, any < in your source which isn’t part of a tag should certainly be &lt;
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barnabywalters
> is safer to leave, but still probably a good plan to encode
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sandeepshetty
the problem is that markdown allow for html so I can't blindly encode
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barnabywalters
I thought markdown was fairly good at handling errant < chars?
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barnabywalters
latest dev checkout of php-mf2 has e-* child relative URL resolving
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barnabywalters
just pushed
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sandeepshetty
what does this do?
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sandeepshetty
(on my phone so can't check source)
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barnabywalters
resolves any relative URLs in @src @data @href in children of an e-* parsed element
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sandeepshetty
and turns them into absolute urls?
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barnabywalters
yes
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sandeepshetty
Nice.
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barnabywalters
now working on parsing only in a given ID
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barnabywalters
$parser->parseId() okay method name?
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sandeepshetty
I should add support into my http lib to just return dom from #id if fragment is specified
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sandeepshetty
Sounds good.
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sandeepshetty
If you plan on giving xpath based support in the future you could add a "from" to the name
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barnabywalters
parseFromId — yep, that’s probably better
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sandeepshetty
(Y)
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barnabywalters
actually parseFromId is just a handy shortcut, adding context DOMElement as second param of ->parse
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sandeepshetty
(Y)
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pfefferle
barnabywalters: i tested the mf version from yesterday and it doesn't encode the < and >
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barnabywalters
pfefferle: my tests are passing, can you please a) check your version, b) check you’re setting $htmlSafe to true (e.g. $parser->parse(true) and c) if neither of those solve the problem raise an issue with code samples?
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barnabywalters
I’m just adding documentation covering htmlSafe — it’s not the default behaviour yet
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pfefferle
https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-webmention/blob/master/webmention.php#L127
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pfefferle
https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-webmention/blob/master/vendor/mf2/Parser.php
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pfefferle
but i saw that you updated a lot, 20 minutes ago… will try this version...
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barnabywalters
hm, that all looks okay
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barnabywalters
let me finish writing these docs and pushing ID parsing then I’ll have a closer look
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pfefferle
ok, i wait until the new version and will test it once again
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barnabywalters
pushed php-mf2 v0.1.16 with updated documentation
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barnabywalters
and changelog
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barnabywalters
pfefferle: looking at https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-webmention/blob/master/webmention.php#L319 — does that actually work? http://webmention.org/ is not the header name, it’s the link rel. WP docs don’t seem to mention link rel header retrieval but you’re the expert
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barnabywalters
good morning tantek
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tantek
good morning barnabywalters!
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tantek
hey - when did you get displaying others' comments on your posts working?
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barnabywalters
just been pushing lots of new stuff to php-mf2
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barnabywalters
a week or so ago now
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barnabywalters
tries to find first one
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pfefferle
barnabywalters: oh no, it can't work! it's a copy and paste error! because the pingback header works different (with X-Pingback instead of Link)…
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pfefferle
barnabywalters: thanks, will fix that!
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barnabywalters
pfefferle: np :)
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@BarnabyWalters
Checked into Vísar for the second day of #indiewebcamp Reykjavik Remote party (http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4QeEUr/) ()
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tantek
barnabywalters - thought I saw one from a few days ago but I can't find it now
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barnabywalters
tantek: earliest I can find is http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4QXLc8/
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barnabywalters
there have been a few over the past couple of days
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barnabywalters
so I’ve been working on styling and making author finding and h-entry finding more robust
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sandeepshetty
tantek: did you see sandeep.io/39 ?
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barnabywalters
afternoon gjones — I’d be interested in your thoughts on http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats-2-parsing#issues
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tantek
barnabywalters that looks like you displaying reply context - which I know you've been doing for a while
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barnabywalters
tantek: there’s a comment there too
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sandeepshetty
I got h-card working for likes, repost & mentions along with automated comments
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tantek
barnabywalters - do you know if you got that comment presentation working before/after Aaronpk?
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barnabywalters
tantek: pretty sure I was after aaronpk
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tantek
sandeepshetty - wow!
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tantek
when did YOU start displaying comments from others on your posts?!?
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tantek
(and now likes too!)
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tantek
it looks like you've supersetted tumblr at least!
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sandeepshetty
Git it working yesterday... plus I also allow remote update by resending the webmention
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tantek
updating federated comments?
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sandeepshetty
Yes
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tantek
!!!
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sandeepshetty
webmention 0.2 has some text about it now
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sandeepshetty
Still working on styling though
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tantek
sandeepshetty - looking good
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tantek
barnabywalters - looks like your CSS is changing
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tantek
I want to blog about your guys' comment-presentation implementations
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tantek
but want to wait to give you a chance to stablize your CSS since it seems in flux
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barnabywalters
tantek: yeah, I changed it a little. previous design was not optimised for comments
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tantek
ok cool
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tantek
will give you a bit of time for that
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barnabywalters
I just need to make it a big nicer on small screens, then I’m happy with it for the moment
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gjones
barnabywalters yes thats a bit of an issue we would have to consider \u char stuff as well. which also could return <tag>
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sandeepshetty
barnabywalters, pfefferle: thinking out loud about some stuff we discussed yesterday sandeep.io/79. Will add to the wiki when I get to my machine
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tantek
barnabywalters - looks odd to that the post date/tagged/also posted take up so much space between your post and the comment(s) on it
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barnabywalters
gjones: ooh, nasty, hadn’t considered that. The current version of php-mf2 escapes angle brackets on non e-* properties if you tell it to
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barnabywalters
tantek: yeah, it’s not optimal. struggling to come up with something I’m happy with which maintains the conversational flow but doesn’t overly de-emphasise the metadata
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tantek
barnabywalters - can you compress the metadata into a single line like Twitter does?
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tantek
and is the explicit "tagged with …" needed? (since the link in the post works)
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barnabywalters
tantek: I want to, probably will end up doing so. working on about 12 other things right now though ;)
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tantek
hah ok
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barnabywalters
I often have tags which are not in the post body
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tantek
also you put your avatar below your post
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barnabywalters
but could show the difference
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tantek
whereas in the reply-context you put the person next to the their post
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barnabywalters
mm, I didn’t like having my photo next to the main content as it looks silly in the stream and if there’s no reply context
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tantek
stream is different though than permalink display
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tantek
e.g. compare top of http://tantek.com/ to http://tantek.com/2013/174/t3/fitness-heartrate-faster-b2b-half-marathon-future
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tantek
alright - I'll give you guys another hour of tweaking your styling and then I'll post about two more implementations of indieweb federated comments :)
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barnabywalters
tantek: [tangent] you don’t publicly expose the URL a reply note is in-reply-to?
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tantek
barnabywalters - it's the second item here: http://indiewebcamp.com/Falcon#Working_On
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barnabywalters
ah, cool
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tantek
"in-reply-to markup (and minimal presentation) support in reply posts "
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tantek
yeah, I'm so behind :(
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barnabywalters
heh, I’m fairly behind what sandeepshetty and benwerd are doing
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barnabywalters
we must be careful not to let these disparities lead to monoculture
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tantek
sandeepshetty - my only constructive improvement feedback on http://www.sandeep.io/39 is that we should develop a rel value for it
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tantek
instead of "just" using u-like
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tantek
dude, benwerd is kicking so much butt
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tantek
it's scary
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tantek
his indieweb checkin plus POSSE to Foursquare is still blowing my mind
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tantek
neverming the hanshotfirst easter egg
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barnabywalters
he got POSSE to flickr working earlier too, right?
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tantek
yeah - last night
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barnabywalters
hm, that might actually be worth implementing now I’m posting photos more often
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tantek
I think he's now working on reply-context displaying too, and wrapping up his comments-presentation implementations
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barnabywalters
I worry a little that the progress we’re making will be intimidating to people wanting to roll their own indieweb sites
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sandeepshetty
tantek I agree but how does that work on list pages?
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barnabywalters
if we don’t continue extracting all this goodness into small reusable components and documenting the hell out of it all
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tantek
barnabywalters - re: intimidating - it had the OPPOSITE effect on benwerd - because of all our progress, our open source libraries etc., he claims it made everything *easier* for him to move so quickly
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tantek
so let's not hold back, let's keep brainstorming/developing in the open, and let's keep open sourcing our building blocks so people can re-use them without having to commit to a "solution"
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tantek
sandeepshetty - it doesn't work on list pages
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barnabywalters
tantek: sure, so we just have to make sure we keep going :)
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tantek
but that's not where it matters
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tantek
the webmention of a like always uses its permalink page
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tantek
barnabywalters - I see no sign of momentum slowing, quite the opposite
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barnabywalters
tantek: agreed, it’s great!
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tantek
sandeepshetty - just like rel=in-reply-to
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sandeepshetty
Cool... where do I start with the rel stuff?
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tantek
sandeepshetty - this is a tough one actually
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tantek
we basically have to come up with a short/simple word/phrase for
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tantek
"object of my like"
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tantek
the "like" version of "object of my affection"
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sandeepshetty
Why not just "likes"?
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tantek
in-reply-to was "easy" only because there was some prior art there we could adopt
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tantek
sandeepshetty because the SOURCE of the post is the "like", not the destination
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tantek
rel values are named in terms of the DESTINATION of the link relative to the SOURCE
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tantek
it's probably the hardest thing about creating new values - is understanding how to do that
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tantek
http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-faq#What_does_a_rel_value_really_mean.3F
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sandeepshetty
Will take a look in a bit... wrapping up some comment presentation stuff... Will come up with something tonight.
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tantek
sandeepshetty - it's ok it's challenge
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tantek
feel free to just brainstorm about it here in the channel
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tantek
here's an awkward one: rel="in-like-of"
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tantek
or rel="like-of"
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@glennjones
There are some good ideas been hack on at @indiewebcamp - new open comment/mention/like system - irc://irc.freenode.net/indiewebcamp ()
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pfefferle
barnabywalters: how much work will it be to also implement rel values into the parser? what do you think?
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barnabywalters
tantek: is there a template sentence to use for rel design checking? e.g. “destination is the x of the source”
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sandeepshetty
Maybe activity streams wording "like-object"?
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tantek
so you could use rel="like" on the links in http://www.sandeep.io/39 that link BACK to the likes, e.g. http://www.sandeep.io/39#likes
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tantek
nah - the AS wording sounds even more awkward
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barnabywalters
pfefferle: rel values? should already be in there in v0.1.16
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sandeepshetty
This phone screen is to small to keep up with the conversation :(
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barnabywalters
*conversation(s)
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tantek
barnabywalters - that FAQ I posted is the closest we have
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pfefferle
barnabywalters: you are a beast!!! :)
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barnabywalters
pfefferle: :)
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tantek
sandeep, in your links here: http://www.sandeep.io/39#likes, you could use rel="like", because those are links TO likes of your post
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tantek
so maybe rel="like" to link back to likes, and rel="like-of" to link to something that is being liked.
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sandeepshetty
More like likers?
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tantek
sandeepshetty - no because each of those is only one like
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barnabywalters
tantek: does that actually check out? “destination is a like-of the source”
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tantek
e.g. you would have on that page <a rel="like" href="http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4QTCcn/">...
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tantek
barnabywalters you forgot an "of"
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barnabywalters
like-of of the source
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tantek
right
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sandeepshetty
liked/liker?
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sandeepshetty
Like-of of sound weird
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tantek
sandeepshetty - why the past tense? and a "liker" implies an active agent
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sandeepshetty
agreed
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tantek
so the same problem exists with "u-like" btw
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tantek
so really we should solve the rel=like-of problem
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tantek
and then rename the u- accordingly
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tantek
just as we did with rel-in-reply-to
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tantek
the rel value came first, with proper semantic
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pfefferle
tommorris: can i find your header regexp (you mentioned yesterday) somewhere on github
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tantek
and then we developed u-in-reply-to as an alternative
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sandeepshetty
(Y)
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pfefferle
(Y)
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sandeepshetty
So the current candidate is like-of
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tantek
least bad of several alternatives
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sandeepshetty
Could someone add it to the wiki.. so we can brainstorm further
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pfefferle
what about the next one: "mention(ed)"
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tantek
pfefferle - same problem still exists
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tantek
re-read: http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-faq#What_does_a_rel_value_really_mean.3F
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tantek
has to pack up
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barnabywalters
has to go for some lunch
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pfefferle
has to fix some bugs
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gjones
how about i-like - as we already have terms such as friend referencing relation to author
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tantek
gjones - how do we have such with author?
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tantek
rel=author is very straightforward - the destination represents the author of the current page
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tantek
btw - for more such wording, see the existing-rel-values page
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tantek
http://microformats.org/wiki/existing-rel-values
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tommorris
pfefferle: nope. don't use header regexes. use a parser.
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pfefferle
something i could reuse in php?
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tommorris
find a PHP Link header parser - the regex will just break
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pfefferle
ok
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tantek
sandeepshetty - reconsidering AS-like wording
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tantek
and combinging
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tantek
combining
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tantek
e.g.
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tantek
rel="object-of-like"
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tantek
or rel="object-of-liking" (for the verb centric)
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tantek
of course if we followed that pattern for ActivityStreams direct objects, we may want to try to keep consistent with others e.g.
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tantek
rel="object-of-reply"
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tantek
just tossing some more ideas out there - looking for feedback & iteration
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barnabywalters
tantek: I find those easier to understand than in-reply-to and like-of
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barnabywalters
“destination is a like-of of source” vs “destination is an object-of-liking of source”
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barnabywalters
or, alternatively, “destination is source’s object-of-liking”
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barnabywalters
destination is source’s stylesheet, object-of-reply, etc
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barnabywalters
thoughts on “destination is source’s X” as a rel design template phrase?
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ozten.com
edited /2013/demos (+61) "/* Start Demos */ Linking to demo" (view diff)
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tantek
barnabywalters - sounds pretty good
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tantek
I'm thinking noun-centric though
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tantek
so object-of-like, object-of-reply, etc.
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tantek
we should test this pattern with other potential activity streams direct objects and see if it works
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Loqi
definitely
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tantek
other activities like liking (ahem) - friending
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tantek
following
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ozten.com
created /User:Ozten.com (+232) "Adding self" (view diff)
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tantek
maybe RSVPing?
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barnabywalters
“friending” — what even is that
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barnabywalters
RSVPing is a useful one
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barnabywalters
destination is source’s object-of-rsvp
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barnabywalters
destination is source’s object-of-follow (?)
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tantek
barnabywalters - added as a friend, or became friends
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tantek
activities shown on FB for examples
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pfefferle
tommorris: i tried it anyways "/<(.+)>;\s+rel\s?=\s?[\"\']?http:\/\/webmention.org\/?[\"\']?/i" ;)
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sandeepshetty
tantek: see sandeep.io/55
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tantek
sandeepshetty - great research
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tantek
can you add to indiewebcamp.com/Facebook?
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sandeepshetty
Pushed better styling... Check out sandeep.io/39
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tantek
maybe in a new section? activities examples?
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sandeepshetty
Will do.
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tantek
thanks!
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@benwerd
Hatching a plan for an obvious #indieweb evolution. Should I hack it together today? ()
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sandeepshetty
Any suggestions for representing pushes that might not have a h-card? See sandeep.io/39
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sandeepshetty
s/pushes/users
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Loqi
sandeepshetty meant to say: Any suggestions for representing users that might not have a h-card? See sandeep.io/39
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www.sandeep.io
edited /Facebook (+585) "Added activities examples from http://www.sandeep.io/55" (view diff)
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pfefferle
sandeepshetty: the question is: do you want to show them?
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www.sandeep.io
edited /RSSB (+805) "/* Really Simple Social Blogging */ Added brainstorming section for rels." (view diff)
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sandeepshetty
What do you think about representing it with "Unknown Person"?
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barnabywalters
sandeepshetty: use domain + favicon?
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pfefferle
barnabywalters: is the url pack required by the latest version of php-uf2?
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barnabywalters
pfefferle: unfortunately it is still required
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pfefferle
but there is one more isn't it?
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barnabywalters
?
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sandeepshetty
Domain is a good suggestion but misleading sometimes when it's a community site. "Facebook.com likes this" is weird no?
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barnabywalters
if you’re not using the composer autoloader you’ll have to include both webignition Url and Resolver
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barnabywalters
sandeepshetty: question is, weirder than “unknown person”
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barnabywalters
?
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pfefferle
i see ghosts… perhaps an old version...
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barnabywalters
pfefferle: what ghosts? error message?
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sandeepshetty
Yeah. It's not as misleading
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pfefferle
no, dependencies that doesn't exist
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barnabywalters
pfefferle: hm, weird
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barnabywalters
I haven’t changed the dependencies at all in the last few versions
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barnabywalters
in fact, I should probably update them
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pfefferle
ah no… the absolute url thing requires another package
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barnabywalters
yeah, I really need to get rid of that
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barnabywalters
there’s an issue for it
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pfefferle
thats what i forgot to load webignition/url
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pfefferle
and that's why the url thing doesn't work for me
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www.sandeep.io
edited /RSSB () "(-805) Moving brainstorming to /responses" (view diff)
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@benwerd
The tyranny of content types #indiewebcamp http://werd.io/entry/51c72566bed7dee673ee2052/the-tyranny-of-content-types-indiewebcamp ()
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Loqi
[mention] http://werd.io/entry/51c72566bed7dee673ee2052/the-tyranny-of-content-types-indiewebcamp linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/posts (pingback)
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www.sandeep.io
created /responses (+1232) "Created page with "{{stub}} A response is a posts that is a reaction to another URL. Some examples of response types are comment/reply, like, repost/share, mention. —[[User:Sandeep.io]] Thi..."" (view diff)
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jessykate
blargh, just missed one bus, next bus eta 9:52. guess the 4 is less frequent sunday mornings! see y'all just after 10
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barnabywalters
woah new php.new
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barnabywalters
s/.new/.net
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Loqi
barnabywalters meant to say: woah.net php.net
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barnabywalters
*sigh*
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pfefferle
whoa… a redesign since ages!
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sandeepshetty
barnabywalters: saw it yesterday. It sucks. No visual hierarchy.
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barnabywalters
sandeepshetty: haven’t looked around it enough to formulate opinions yet
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sandeepshetty
barnabywalters: what's the post type wiki page work out opinions about them?
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sandeepshetty
s/work out/about our
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Loqi
sandeepshetty meant to say: barnabywalters: what's the post type wiki page about our opinions about them?
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sandeepshetty
Can't find it. :(
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barnabywalters
what, the note vs article distinction one?
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barnabywalters
I can’t remember a page just containing opinions about content types
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sandeepshetty
Yes note vs article
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barnabywalters
http://indiewebcamp.com/Semantics_Of_Article-Note_Distinction
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sandeepshetty
Thanks
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@benwerd
How chickens work #indiewebcamp http://werd.io/entry/51c7299fbed7dee9639c9af6/how-chickens-work-indiewebcamp ()
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ozten
We're setting Google Hangouts
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barnabywalters
benwerd: you mean you have indieweb checkins *and* indieweb checkins? this is going to get confusing, fast ;)
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barnabywalters
*chickens
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aaronpk
barnabywalters: can you start the hangout again so I can join? I don't know how you set it up yesterday so we don't get spammed
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: okay, I’ll post the URL here in a sec
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aaronpk
sweet thanks
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benwerd
barnabywalters: I hope you'll agree that the h-as-chicken microformat was an important touch
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barnabywalters
benwerd: of course — that makes everything much simpler ;)
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benwerd
disproportionately proud
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barnabywalters
hah, you should be
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barnabywalters
hangout is here: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/1c001cef8a9618a9c67c37d902b9ecdc15edc8bf?authuser=0&hl=en-GB
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ozten
schrodinger's Barnabywalters
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aaronpk
can you hear better now barnabywalters ?
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: yep, audio is excellent now, thanks!
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barnabywalters
is my video feed as slow as it looks from my end?
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benwerd
yep, unfortunately
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barnabywalters
yours is fine, mine looks frozen
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barnabywalters
:(
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aaronpk
glad the sound is better though
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barnabywalters
sound is the most important thing anyway
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@wavis
#rssb #indieweb likes, comments, reposts, and mentions, minus the #facegootwi http://www.sandeep.io/39 ()
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ozten
claps
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aaronpk
sandeepshetty: we have the hangout open again, audio is much better today!
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barnabywalters
benwerd: I’ve received indiecomments from matthias here: http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4QbH5C/
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benwerd
Alright, today I'm going to fix my buggy indieweb comments / likes / shares implementation. It is decided.
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barnabywalters
and sent them here: http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4QaEgT/
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aaronpk
benwerd: while you're at it can you also add the syndication link to your twitter copy?
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ozten
sandeepshetty++
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Loqi
sandeepshetty has 2 karma
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barnabywalters
problem is they don’t have permalinks
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benwerd
aaronpk: yep. my flickr implementation has that
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benwerd
will work backwards and add to all the others.
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aaronpk
ah sweet
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sandeepshetty
aaronpk: will login in a bit
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jessykate
can someone let me in downstairs?
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aaronpk
davy is on her way!
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jessykate
w00t, thanks
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Loqi
yay!
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@pjf
Holy smokes. #indiewebcamp intros are *way* longer than 140 characters. ()
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barnabywalters
is this “indieweb anonymous” going on right now?
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aaronpk
lol barnabywalters
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sandeepshetty
benwerd: you have a new comment :)
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benwerd
Yeah!
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benwerd
Thanks!
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benwerd
(Would you mind trying to like a post?)
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@pjf
My #indiewebcamp hash-tags: #brains, #privacy, #whatevericangetawaywith ()
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barnabywalters
waves
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sandeepshetty
benwerd: oh you also allow updates. Nice!
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benwerd
yeah, the URL is the key
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benwerd
That comment also shows that I only screw up with barnabywalters's site so far - I need to take another look at the mf2 there and make my interpreter a little (a lot) smarter.
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barnabywalters
benwerd: which comment?
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benwerd
sandeepshetty commented here: http://werd.io/entry/51c72566bed7dee673ee2052/the-tyranny-of-content-types-indiewebcamp#comments whereas you commented here and have the wrong name displayed: http://werd.io/view/51c4e161bed7de073150079b#comments
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barnabywalters
benwerd: yep, for some reason your interpreter found the last h-card on my site instead of the p-author h-card of the note
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benwerd
right. I think I need to kick it a bit.
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barnabywalters
benwerd: check out https://github.com/barnabywalters/php-mf-cleaner, specifically getAuthor
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barnabywalters
I already solved a lot of these problems
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benwerd
Ooooh. Like it
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benwerd
Thank you
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barnabywalters
pass getAuthor the h-entry you want the author for, the context (output from php-mf2) and the page URL and it’ll get you the right author (hopefully)
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barnabywalters
check out test suite for what scenarios it handles
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sandeepshetty
benwerd: liked a post. How chickens work
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tantek.com
edited /2013/Schedule (+0) "/* Sunday, June 23, 2013 (Work Sessions) */ update morning hack sessions" (view diff)
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benwerd
sandeepshetty: well, my template needs work (thinking I didn't upload some of it), but it registered the like! Thanks
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ozten
Head Map manifesto
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ozten
http://technoccult.net/technoccult-library/headmap/ - ???
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barnabywalters
is switching to hangouts for iOS so I can still actually use my computer
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@benwerd
Looking forward to fixing my buggy #indieweb comments / likes / shares implementation. #indiewebcamp ()
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barnabywalters
argh — no google it is not okay that “a video error occurred”
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davystevenson.com
edited /2013/Guest_List (-424) "/* Apprentices */" (view diff)
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barnabywalters
success!
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pfenwick
I think I need a bazillion more cups of coffee before code... 1pm - 1am seems to be my peak productivity according to github.
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davystevenson.com
edited /2013/Guest_List (+666) "/* Creators */" (view diff)
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aaronpk
pfenwick++
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Loqi
pfenwick has 2 karma
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aaronpk
there are almost a bazillion cups of coffee in the ktichen!
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bnvk
About to pull the trigger on purchasing indiewebify.me
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pfenwick
bnvk: That's perfect! You can give people turn-key managed hosting so they don't have to manage their own machines. And I'm sure you could team up with content writers and SEO engineers to provide them with content synergistic with readers' core interests.
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ozten
bnvk: awesome.
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bnvk
pfenwick: interesting, I was thinking about making an uber simple to follow checklist type site that helps ppl implement the stable aspects of a indie web node with greater ease
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barnabywalters
“I’m a self-facilitating <del>media</del><ins>indieweb</ins> node”
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@dukeleto
It seems that I had an off-by-one error in my brain for when #indiewebcamp started. Still recovering from #osb13! Oy vey. ()
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Loqi
11 files modified, 4 new files in aaronpk/IndieAuth/master by aaronpk https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth/compare/a3fc5b1bee0c...1e5581b2a91b
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Loqi
aaronpk: update dev start script
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Loqi
aaronpk: Adds SMS support!
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: woah, really?
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barnabywalters
2F auth on indieauth.com?
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benwerd
That's too cool.
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aaronpk
not technically 2-factor, but it is SMS auth
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tantek
SMS auth still has a bunch of advantages
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tantek
you can walk up to any computer and sign into IndieWebCamp.com without having to sign-into any OAuth provider with your user/pass
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benwerd
Easier to use
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benwerd
more secure. Vastly prefer it to using (eg) GitHub to log in
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tantek
and then when you're done you can simply log out of indiewebcamp.com
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tantek
and there's no access nor record of it on the computer you used
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barnabywalters
yep, that’s a huge plus
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tantek
it doesn't matter if they're logging all your keystrokes
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tantek
it's kinda brilliant
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tantek
aaronpk - did you use Twilio?
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benwerd
(but I totally want an option for it to call me and read out the code in a silly voice, like my bank does)
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ozten
tantek: ya, Twilio
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sandeepshetty_
phew finally got in on my machine. might be a problem with freenode webchat
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tantek
aaronpk - could this notion of send a one-time code through another channel be expanded to: FB Messenger (not sure of URL), or skype? (e.g. callto:tantekc )
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ozten
sandeepshetty_: w00t!
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Loqi
:D
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aaronpk
tantek: totally. even IRC private message :)
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benwerd
Whoa
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@willnorris
Testing IndieWeb comments https://willnorris.com/2013/06/testing-indieweb-comments#utm_source=hum&utm_medium=b/HC&utm_campaign=hum ()
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tantek
aaronpk - except that there's no URL for IRC private messaging :(
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benwerd
aaronpk: is this live to try right now?
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aaronpk
aaaalmost
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pfefferle
ozten: what is your PHP version?
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benwerd
one more dumb question: what format are you expecting the cellphone link to be in on my homepage?
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benwerd
tel: with rel="me", or ..?
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aaronpk
href="sms:+15035551212"
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benwerd
ok, cool
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ozten
pfefferie: 5.2.17
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pfefferle
ozten: https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-webmention/issues/1#issuecomment-19878336
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aaronpk
WORKED!
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sandeepshetty
is catching up on logs
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benwerd
aaronpk: that works really deeply slickly. Nice!
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ozten
pfefferie: thanks for your help, will see about upgrading
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aaronpk
awesome!!
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tantek
aaronpk - you need to tweet this out, and cc @jf and @twilio noting that you used Twilio to implement federated identity sign-in without a password using SMS
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pfefferle
ozten: your welcome :)
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eschnou
willnorris, seems like it worked :-)
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sandeepshetty
tantek: added the rel stuff here: http://indiewebcamp.com/responses
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www.sandeep.io
edited /responses (+2) "wording" (view diff)
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eschnou
willnorris, although I don't know what I grabbed more than the content, probably due to mf markdown issues
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pfefferle
willnorris: have you Used my Plugin?
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willnorris
pfefferle: yeah, using your plugin
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willnorris
the extra data is my wordpress theme, I think
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@ozten
Cool, it worked! And I've logged in via FirefoxOS phone SMS. https://secure.flickr.com/photos/ozten/9117250313/ https://secure.flickr.com/photos/ozten/9117242319/ #IndieWebCamp #IndieAuth ()
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willnorris
eschnou, if I send a second ping for the same URL, will your site update the existing comment, or create a new one?
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sandeepshetty
is fixing datetime issues with webmention on sandeep.io/39
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pfefferle
willnorris: Nice! Would like to See you contributing ;)
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willnorris
pfefferle: count on it :)
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eschnou
willnorris, it will ignore, I need to implement updates. But I can delete this one if you want to try again.
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@borismus
So tempting to post long-form content on @medium, but many reasons not to do it. Wish #IndieWeb had solution with comparable usability. ()
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smus
^^ thoughts?
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barnabywalters
I’ve never used medium, what are the good things about it’s uability?
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eschnou
woaw.. did not realized we pass the 60 users in the channel ! awesome.
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eschnou
I wish it would stay like that all year long!
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barnabywalters
the obvious response is “build one” but would be worth analysing what medium has which other platforms lack
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willnorris
eschnou: yeah, go ahead and delete that one
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barnabywalters
eschnou: it’s growing steadily — we’ve consistently had around 40 for the last few weeks IIRC
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smus
barnabywalters: any self-hosting incurs a usability penalty
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eschnou
willnorris, done.
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smus
for one. also, medium's editor is really nice, posts have beautiful typography, etc.
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barnabywalters
smus: I’ve heard good stuff about their editor — according to tommorris the upcoming wikipedia WYSIWYG editor will solve all our editing problems ;)
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eschnou
willnorris, It seems you have only mf1 markup and not mf2, I guess this may be the cause. I use the php-mf2 lib from barnabywalters for extracting the relevant content.
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sandeepshetty
smus: the editor is very limited... (Which might be a good thing)
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barnabywalters
eschnou willnorris: php-mf2 has limited BC support, certainly a good plan to add mf2
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benwerd
sandeepshetty: fixed my "like" template, fwiw: http://werd.io/entry/51c7299fbed7dee9639c9af6/how-chickens-work-indiewebcamp
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sandeepshetty
and typography is not a feature.. just something they did right
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smus
barnabywalters: haha, we'll have to wait and see, i guess. but i'm not holding my breath for wp to solve that problem... writing wp articles is much more involved than blog posts
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Loqi
nice
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sandeepshetty
yay!
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Loqi
woot
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sandeepshetty
benwerd: how do you plan on handling situation where you don't find a h-card?
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smus
sandeepshetty: 1) yes 2) don't understand. how is it not a feature?
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sandeepshetty
benwerd: I don't have a good solution yet http://sandeep.io/39
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willnorris
eschnou: it should be an ugly mix of mf1 and mf2 (http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwillnorris.com%2F2013%2F06%2Ftesting-indieweb-comments)
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sandeepshetty
smus: It just something everyone should do, like write bug free code, etc.
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willnorris
it's pulling out the mf2, but the entry name has that extra content in it
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barnabywalters
woah, why is the author URL “Will Norris”?
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barnabywalters
looks at source
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willnorris
heh, didn't notice that :)
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benwerd
sandeepshetty: weeping, in the first iteration
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willnorris
probably my bad. I hacked in the mf2
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benwerd
(I don't have a good answer for that)
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barnabywalters
yep, p-url should be u-url :)
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smus
sandeepshetty: if all of your competitors had tons of bugs, being bug-free is definitely a feature (s/feature/selling point)
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sandeepshetty
jsut saying you don't have a feature list item that says bug-free code.. it's a given
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willnorris
ah
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willnorris
fixed
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sandeepshetty
typography is a given.. sadly these days default bootstrap is a given :D
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benwerd
Wait, we're supposed to be writing bug-free code? :(
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barnabywalters
didn’t get the memo
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smus
sandeepshetty: fair enough
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sandeepshetty
is a recovered bootstrapaholic
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erinjo
eschnou: I'm trying to install Storytlr, but getting a 500 error. It looks like it's "Invalid command 'php_flag'" and if I remove these lines from the htaccess the installer will come up. I'm on a shared host, is there something I can add to a php.ini file to get this working?
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eschnou
erinjo, hmm, I don't know where this command come from, don't have any php_flag in the default htaccess. If the installer comes up, it means it could not find the config file.
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bret.io
edited /2013/Auth_Jam_Session (+167) "/* IndieAuth + SMS */ Added example of SMS authentication" (view diff)
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eschnou
erinjo, if you are upgrading an existing setup, instead of the installer you should get an upgrade screen.
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erinjo
eschnou: I trying a fresh install right now
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barnabywalters
benwerd: “I’ve got a pretty sweet hammer and I’m looking for nails” ;)
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eschnou
erinjo, ha ok. So, if you get the installer, that's a good news no? Where does it break?
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benwerd
barnabywalters: I'm here to hit things indiscriminately with hammers and chew gum. And I'm all out of gum.
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eschnou
erinjo, my bad, there is indeed a php flag in the htaccess to force the short_open_tag which is required by storytlr.
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barnabywalters
benwerd: might I suggest an extra twitter account which gets POSSEd to instead of your main one if content is tagged with #test?
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barnabywalters
has been meaning to implement that forever
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eschnou
erinjo, you can remove it from there but then need to put it in your php.ini.
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benwerd
barnabywalters: I do actually own @benwaeiourd, which would be a good candidate. Nice idea
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erinjo
eschnou: can you point me to the right text to include in the php.ini?
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bret
Everyone should try passwordless SMS indiauth
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eschnou
erinjo, this is what I have: short_open_tag = On
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brianjesse
wondering - do any other #indieweb fans play tennis?
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erinjo
eschnou: Thanks, let me give that a try.
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pfefferle
willnorris: I hate The pingback views of many themes!!!
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willnorris
yeah :)
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pfefferle
Should i Save it as normal comment for better compatibility?
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willnorris
I was just thinking… for the longest time, pingbacks were second-class citizens in terms of blog comments. Now we're moving to a model where they're they *only* option. Our UI patterns certainly have to be updated to reflect that
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willnorris
yeah, maybe store as a standard comment, with some additional data in comment_meta tracking the original URL and such
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pfenwick
!meme ERMERGERD
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@benwerd
Really enjoying sitting in a room hacking on stuff, with other people hacking on stuff. Could get used to this. #indiewebcamp ()
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pfefferle
willnorris: yes, that would be necessary if we want to send pingbacks for comments on comments
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willnorris
pfefferle: there we go, just manually switched it to standard comment :) (https://willnorris.com/2013/06/testing-indieweb-comments#comment-65631) doesn't look like you're storing the image URL of the author, are you?
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pfefferle
willnorris: That's the next point on the list... Did something similar for the salmon plugin...
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: since you've done comments in pingback, salmon & webmention... it'll be interesting to her your perspective on pros and cons of each
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pfefferle
But my theme doesn't support images yet :)
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sandeepshetty
s/her/hear
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Loqi
sandeepshetty meant to say: pfefferle: since you've done comments in pingback, salmon & webmention... it'll be interesting to hear your perspective on pros and cons of each
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pfefferle
sandeepshetty: You can have my comment on salmon right now: way too complicated!
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: but it does do sending comments upstream... something we don't have yet
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@benwerd
Surprising number of Raspberry Pis in the room, too. The Indieweb of Things? #indiewebcamp ()
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pfefferle
Why not using web mention on both directions?
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sandeepshetty
could you elaborate?
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@pjf
#indiewebcamp #meme: http://pauls-friends-as-memes.tumblr.com/post/53693044704 ( @caseorganic ) ()
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willnorris
we were actually just discussing this [very briefly] this morning… how do you do replies to replies. Should the new comment follow the chain up and send webmentions to each, or should it just call it's "parent", and the parent then passes along the webmention, or something else?
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benwerd
You know that bit in Shawn of the Dead where they briefly encounter their friends who are in a much bigger movie?
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benwerd
That's what being around the Camlistore hackers feels like
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pfefferle
willnorris: Is there anything in the wiki now? Before I start implementing it...
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ozten
aaronpk: https://github.com/mozilla/browserid-cookbook/blob/master/ruby/sinatra/app.rb
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willnorris
pfefferle: I don't think so
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pfefferle
Ok... Then I start with refactoring and photo support...
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sandeepshetty
willnorris: I prefer the latter... and each parent pick up the comment post along with it's p-comments...
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sandeepshetty
willnorris: so only the root as all the comments.
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sandeepshetty
*has
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willnorris
you don't think a non-root node should still display it's child comments?
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pfefferle
i would prefer the other variant, because it is easier to implement
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sandeepshetty
willnorris: it will... but it will have only its children... only the root has it all (threads)
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pfefferle
Sending it to all other comments on the same hirarchie level including the root
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eschnou
pfefferle, willnorris would be great to have a distributed comment graph and then do crazy things like this: http://shkspr.mobi/hyper/?thread=802136
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willnorris
sandeepshetty: agreed
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: the latter distributes the load... so each instance has to a make only one wenmention
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barnabywalters
eschnou: yeah, but maybe more useful than that one ;) one actually focused around *reading*
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eschnou
barnabywalters, well, it is quite similar to the google plus ripples, I don't think the primary focus here is reading, more like grasping the spread of a conversation accross nodes.
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willnorris
or a ripples style UI would be great as well: (e.g. https://plus.google.com/ripples/details?activityid=z125dt4qywbjzxct322hcvzimtebslkul&context=z125dt4qywbjzxct322hcvzimtebslkul)
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pfefferle
sandeepshetty: But a comment is not an answer to only one comment per se
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: I meant one webmention per thread
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bret
how are the remote folks doing?
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sandeepshetty
if it's replying to mutiple posts then there will be multiple posts
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pfefferle
But that means only you as blog owner should be able to comment comments
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pfefferle
But that's not how blogs will work
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barnabywalters
bret: pretty good thanks :) just working on some mundane stuff — editing UIs, comment deletion UIs
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sandeepshetty
this remote dude is at 12:49 AM and having a tandoori chicken :)
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barnabywalters
sandeepshetty: nice :)
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bret
i want some dandoori chicken
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bret
tandoori*
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Loqi
gives bret some dandoori chicken
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bret
XD
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: sorry did not understand
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@ozten
@bradfitz @haxor The replication protocol has to be called WebFistBump #IndieWebCamp ()
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pfefferle
sandeepshetty: It's difficult to explain without a pencil and a paper :)
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sandeepshetty
lists work well for me
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pfefferle
sandeepshetty: Should others be able to participate on the discussion through your post... Like a comment form?
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sandeepshetty
haven't thought about it but for now Im thinking yes
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sandeepshetty
is typing with one hand with the chicken in the other... so excuse the delays and typos
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pfefferle
But in your case the comment only pings his root, right?
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sandeepshetty
which in turn will ping it's parent and so on...
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pfefferle
A but then the source and target will not match any more, or?
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willnorris
pfefferle: right, I think you need a third identifier now, in addition to target and source
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pfefferle
But that will make it more complicated
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willnorris
yeah, i know :(
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sandeepshetty
each parent uses itself as source...
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sandeepshetty
as the target pick up the source and all p-comments
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pfefferle
But that means that you parse the whole stack
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sandeepshetty
below you yes.
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bret
do you guys use p-summary on the content of your notes?
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pfefferle
And that makes it more complicated too
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willnorris
sandeepshetty: ah, right. so this is no different than sending a follow-up ping if I've updated my entry. I'm just requesting that my page be re-processed, including all child comments on the page
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sandeepshetty
willnorris: exactly'
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: you will be parsing the whole page in any case... it just that you pick up more info
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pfefferle
But that is the point that I mentioned yesterday
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bnvk
tantek: lo there sir, I'm tinkering with better defining / explaining what having an IndieWeb site means and what one needs to do to get there. I love the IndieMarks stuff so far
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sandeepshetty
my current thinking is based on our discussion from yesterday and the new knowledge of p-comments
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pfefferle
So we don't need perms links for every comment
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bnvk
tantek: what do you think about making Level 2 be the aspect whereby one makes their site archive & display Reply contexts and Mentions?
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sandeepshetty
if you want to reply to a comment you do... but you also render comments with the parent post
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pfefferle
You parse all h-entries and take every node that refers to you including the tree
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pfefferle
Ah ok, that's true
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pfefferle
Hmmm
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sandeepshetty
will document this in the wiki
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sandeepshetty
in a bit
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pfefferle
But that makes the parser even more complicated
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sandeepshetty
php-mf2 you mean?
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pfefferle
No, interpreting the results
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sandeepshetty
?
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pfefferle
And transfer them to comments
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pfefferle
Which comments are already saved, which one do I have to update... And so on
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pfefferle
You have to check the whole stack, even if only one is new
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sandeepshetty
yeah I need to figure that out as well... right now comments in converspace are only in thwe webmentions table... so my assumption that comment = webmention will break
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sandeepshetty
though I can just get away with storing the comment along with children as a blob
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: how does wordpress do threaded comments?
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pfefferle
But that doesn't work, because others can reply too
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sandeepshetty
others?
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pfefferle
Everyone should be able to reply to any node of the stack nor?
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sandeepshetty
yes and they can't because?
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pfefferle
If it is a blob, you can only save stack from one source
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pfefferle
What if a comment comes from another source
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sandeepshetty
for that comments and it's children... not for the other comments..
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sandeepshetty
(blog)
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sandeepshetty
*blob
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pfefferle
If you save the stack as a blob, how will you be able to update single trees?
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sandeepshetty
I'm sure I'm missing something obvious... could you give me scenario
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sandeepshetty
you don't... from your child comments you get the entire tree
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sandeepshetty
below it
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pfefferle
No, because I can send a web mention to any comment in the tree
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pfefferle
That means a new tree starts
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pfefferle
That means you have to be able to add single nodes
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sandeepshetty
hold that thought... bbiab
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pfefferle
the next problem… if you have a lot of comments in one stack, you get a lot of webmentions and your site will include the stack several times
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: back.. now that I have both my hands I'll create a wiki page.. I think I sorta understand what you are talking about.. (comments of comments)... you can add your scenarios to that page
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bret
what is the status of hgroup?
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sandeepshetty
aaronpk, tantek: is there a page that lists what eveyone is hacking on?
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barnabywalters
thinks he just got repeat-mention-updates-comment working.
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Loqi
[mention] http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2013/06/23/1/indiewebcamp linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/Schedule (pingback)
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pfefferle
are there any preferred avatar sizes?
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pfefferle
what are you using?
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www.sandeep.io
created /comment-propagation (+790) "Created page with "{{stub}} How we send comments to posts that are themselves comments upstream to the root post? == Brainstorming == * Alice publishes a post. * Bob comments on Alice's post an..."" (view diff)
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: I've added the scenario. You can add your scenario as well that doesn't work using this model...
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: re avatar size: I just use what looks good :)
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pfefferle
it does work but i think it is a bit complicated
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pfefferle
ok, than i will handle it the same way ;)
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www.sandeep.io
edited /comment-propagation (+152) "/* Brainstorming */ making it clear who doesn't get updates." (view diff)
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www.sandeep.io
edited /comment-propagation (+1) "/* Brainstorming */ typo." (view diff)
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pfefferle
sandeepshetty: this is a good example and the case why you can't save it as blob
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sandeepshetty
?
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pfefferle
because you have a tree from bob and from charly
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pfefferle
that means you have to save more
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pfefferle
blobs
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pfefferle
and what if someone answers daves comment, but on alices site over a comment form...
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sandeepshetty
that last one a good point... could you add it to the page...
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pfefferle
how should we call the topic?
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pfefferle
questions? problems?
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sandeepshetty
Issues
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pfefferle
ok
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sandeepshetty
since Alice's site is the only one that is supposed to have the entire thread.. that last case might not be a problem.
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sandeepshetty
and it still works if that happened somewhere downstream.
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pfefferle
yes, but it makes it difficult to save the complete conversation
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barnabywalters
food time here too — mmmm rice crackers
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pfefferle
and another problem… if two persons have a long discussion
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pfefferle
then the system will send the whole stack several times and you have to parse it several times
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pfefferle
no advantage of sending a web mention to every note on the same stack up to the top root
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: it shouldn't be difficult to "save the complete conversation" Since your saving allthe children with the comment that is sending the webmention..
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: sorry don't understand "sending the whole stack several times"
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barnabywalters
pfefferle sandeepshetty: I would almost be tempted to say don’t bother to do nested/threaded comments and leave it up to a comment crawling client
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pfefferle
if alice is answering bob and bob is once again answering alice and so on
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barnabywalters
does storing a copy of potentially vast amounts of comments branching off from your content actually enrich your content?
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sandeepshetty
barnabywalters: that's where I was till yesterday.. like on twitter.. you can always have a client that follows the in-reply-to's and lets you read).. but based on new info yesterday I think it might be doable.. (but maybe not easy)
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barnabywalters
Branch has done a very good job of handling this, IMO
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pfefferle
then alice get's the updates several times because she is in the list more than once
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barnabywalters
because it mimics the structure of the web
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barnabywalters
we don’t need to mimic the structure of the web because we *are* the web
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notizblog.org
edited /comment-propagation (+100) "/* Brainstorming */" (view diff)
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barnabywalters
consider also the fact that we’re not only threading in one direction, we’re also POSSEing and having threaded conversations off those as well
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sandeepshetty
barnabywalters: +! to "because it mimics the structure of the web - we don’t need to mimic the structure of the web"
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notizblog.org
edited /comment-propagation (-3) "/* Issues */" (view diff)
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barnabywalters
it would be crazy to try to make every implementation aggregate all of that
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barnabywalters
as opposed to aggregating the content *directly related* to it, which *enriches* it and provides context
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Loqi
9 files modified, 2 new files in aaronpk/IndieAuth/master by aaronpk https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth/compare/1e5581b2a91b...2dd7d58e26b6
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Loqi
aaronpk: Adds Persona logins!
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sandeepshetty
barnabywalters: the hope is only the root aggregates but I agree with what your saying to some extent
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pfefferle
yes, because not every site has the whole stack, so it is possible that you get only parts
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sandeepshetty
aaronpk++
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Loqi
aaronpk has 165 karma
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pfefferle
so its not that easy to take the latest web mention and save it like it is
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sandeepshetty
aaronpk: though I'm having trouble loging in from persona on mobile chrome
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@ozten
RT @benwerd: Surprising number of Raspberry Pis in the room, too. The Indieweb of Things? #indiewebcamp ()
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barnabywalters
how about this: each reply collects a reply context, and any comments in-reply-to it. then, we have a browser extension or some other service which crawls all of the in-reply-to, comment and syndication links and builds up a huge graph of each conversation, it’s branches, including POSSEd branches
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ozten
aaronpk just got rel=mailto working for IndieAuth in dev. Persona is used for verifying the email
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sandeepshetty
I had a thread reader in mind.. like a service..
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barnabywalters
sandeepshetty: absolutely
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sandeepshetty
you give it a post and it shows you the thread
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barnabywalters
sandeepshetty: yep, and that could be put in a browser extension.
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barnabywalters
1) user is on a reply post page
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barnabywalters
2) user clicks “see whole conversation”
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barnabywalters
3) service crawls in-reply-to, comments, syndication, mentions etc and displays whole conversation
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Loqi
1 files modified in aaronpk/IndieAuth/master by aaronpk https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth/compare/2dd7d58e26b6...ac3536369331
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Loqi
aaronpk: fix config name
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pfefferle
but that doesn't fix the problem we have right now
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: it does if we don't send webmentions to comments we receive
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sandeepshetty
s/to/for
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Loqi
sandeepshetty meant to say: pfefferle: it does if we don't send webmentions for comments we receive
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pfefferle
but that would break the discussion
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aaronpk
it wooooorks!
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pfefferle
and would make it really one dimensional
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sandeepshetty
it doesn't break it.. the links are there to follow..
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sandeepshetty
just not in any one place
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pfefferle
but thats not really usable
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pfefferle
and way too geeky
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barnabywalters
pfefferle: you think? I’d say trying to come up with complex ways of aggregating comments and sending mentions upstream is fairly geeky ;)
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pfefferle
that was sandeepshettys idea
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pfefferle
:)
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@ozten
Yo #IndieWebCamp Add rel="me" href="mailto:you@site.me" to log into to http://indiewebcamp.com/Main_Page with your email address http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10060532/Screenshots/ZrWx.png ()
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pfefferle
that's why i would prefer sending a web mention to every node in the same tree
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sandeepshetty
sending to each node doesn't work cause when the target tries to verify the children don't point to all parent node till root!
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pfefferle
that depends on your implementation ;)
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pfefferle
but you are right, that causes some other problems
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sandeepshetty
I think we've made some good progress if we want to go in that direction... lets park it for now...
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barnabywalters
yeah, best sleep on it. I’ll document my ideas on the wiki page
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pfefferle
yep, thats a good idea
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Loqi
2 files modified in aaronpk/IndieAuth/master by aaronpk https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth/compare/ac3536369331...df7b79e935c4
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Loqi
aaronpk: fix handling errors on mismatched email
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@ozten
OH at #IndieWebCamp "Did you just rickroll me in Elvish" /cc @pjf ()
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sandeepshetty
barnabywalters: So I went with 'Someone" http://www.sandeep.io/39#likes
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barnabywalters
sandeepshetty: that doesn’t actually look anywhere near as bad as it sounds
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barnabywalters
because “here” is a hyperlink
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barnabywalters
might be worth checking for a favicon and using that as the photo?
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sandeepshetty
yeah... open to any other suggestions...
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sandeepshetty
found this "Gallery of default anonymity" http://www.murketing.com/journal/?p=3098
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barnabywalters
37signals have a blog post about how they designed their default profile photo
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sandeepshetty
barnabywalters: avoiding the extra call for favicon at the moment
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barnabywalters
http://37signals.com/svn/posts/3104-behind-the-scenes-reinventing-our-default-profile-pictures
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Loqi
1 files modified in aaronpk/IndieAuth/master by aaronpk https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth/compare/df7b79e935c4...829297bf2b44
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Loqi
aaronpk: add site name to login screen
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sandeepshetty
barnabywalters: that feels sexist
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barnabywalters
sandeepshetty: how so? glancing over I’m not seeing it, but it’s a while since I read that post
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sandeepshetty
it's a he
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barnabywalters
they do refer to “he” a lot in the first few paragraphs
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ozten
fixes his DNS for my self-hosted instance of Smallest Federated Social Wiki http://wiki.aok.io/view/welcome-visitors
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sandeepshetty
he by default and the only option
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barnabywalters
sandeepshetty: the old one is/was, yes. They probably should have noted that the improved ones are better as they’re without gender
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KevinMarks
though they all seem to have spectacles on
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sandeepshetty
oh I though the first one was the one..
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barnabywalters
sandeepshetty: might be an idea to read a little further in ;)
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sandeepshetty
yeah :)
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sandeepshetty
I was just alt-tabbing :)
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barnabywalters
is wrapping up the day by starting implementing auto-adding of contacts when I mention all you good people, so I can spam filter later on
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@benwerd
Improved post display in idno, and added p-author microformats to each entry in the process. Also, syndication links. #indiewebcamp ()
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KevinMarks
so what's indieweb speak for "tweet"
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KevinMarks
as a noun or verb?
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hadleybeeman
I'm just catching up on IRC and posts here... but it looks like you all have had a busy time over there!
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barnabywalters
KevinMarks: noun = note, post = verb
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@nchenga
"POSSE is an acronym/abbreviation for Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere." http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE?utm_source=buffer&utm_campaign=Buffer&utm_content=buffer7d38d&utm_medium=twitter ()
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caseorganic
OH: So, do you feel like you're wearing a Segway on your face?
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hadleybeeman
s/posts/notes
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Loqi
hadleybeeman meant to say: I'm just catching up on IRC and notes here... but it looks like you all have had a busy time over there!
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hadleybeeman
:)
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hadleybeeman
Wow. How thorough of you, Loqi!
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barnabywalters
feels like a stalker looking over benwerd’s shoulder at his browser
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@BarnabyWalters
@benwerd I can *seeee yooooo*(r browser) ;) #indiewebcamp (http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4QeMJ3/) ()
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@benwerd
Remote participants at #indiewebcamp. Just ignore the guy in the bottom left ... http://werd.io/view/51c766acbed7decc2f27a221 ()
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KevinMarks
hi Hadley
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mathpunk
current IWC project is setting up a vps for the first time. Would anyone like to evangelize/anti-evangelize a service?
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KevinMarks
so, anyone in the room can add things to my camlistore. Neat.
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barnabywalters
is signing off for the day
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barnabywalters
thanks for a great event everyone!
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barnabywalters
remote participation just keeps getting better :)
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sandeepshetty
melvster_: you here?
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barnabywalters
goodnight all
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Loqi
gute nacht!
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tilgovi
#indiewebtrain
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tilgovi
waves
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sandeepshetty
benwerd: your css is broken on chrome (ubuntu)
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benwerd
can you try a hard refresh? I use chrome too
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benwerd
but also, how is it broken?
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sandeepshetty
benwerd: think it's a problem with line-height.. sentences are overlapping... trying a hard refresh
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notizblog.org
edited /comment-propagation (+49) "/* Issues */" (view diff)
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sandeepshetty
benwerd: hard refresh fixed it
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benwerd
coolcool
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benwerd
thanks, that's a good reminder to mess with my cache
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@nchenga
"POSSE to Twitter" http://indiewebcamp.com/Twitter?utm_source=buffer&utm_campaign=Buffer&utm_content=buffera1ce2&utm_medium=twitter#POSSE_to_Twitter ()
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sandeepshetty
benwerd: BTW, it's looking good
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benwerd
Rockin'
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benwerd
I've just worked out what's wrong with my webmention mf2 handling
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benwerd
so fixing that now
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KevinMarks
got noterlive.com
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KevinMarks
:D
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brianjesse
kevinmarks: nice!
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pfefferle
time to sleep a bit. thanks for the nice event and bye!
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sandeepshetty
!tell pfefferle: you don't have a dt-published for the h-entry http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http://notizblog.org/2013/06/22/like/
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek
sandeepshetty - how did you find #indiewebcamp? and when did you find us?
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sandeepshetty
think it was when barnaby got in touch with me when I published all the activity* stuff I was doing.. including activitydialog which was a similar to webactions
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aaronpk
huh... just set up webfinger for my email address. http://webfingerclient-dclinton.appspot.com/lookup?identifier=aaron%40parecki.com&format=web
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sandeepshetty
why do you ask?
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aaronpk
was surprisingly easy, and also is done with only static files, no server-side code
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tantek
we're trying to figure out when everyone got involved
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tantek
and how they disocvered us
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sandeepshetty
tantek: do you need the date as well?
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@tilgovi
All aboard the Indie Web Train (PDX -&gt ()
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Loqi
EMY)!! #amtrak #indiewebcamp
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tantek
sandeepshetty - would be fun to know!
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@t
just got "View (Conversation) on Twitter" rel=syndication links working from my notes to #POSSE'd tweets #indiewebcamp (ttk.me t4Qe4) ()
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willnorris
aaronpk: you can also just go to client.webfinger.net… same code, but much easier to remember
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willnorris
err, http://client.webfinger.net/
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@benwerd
Microformats parsing in #idno should be fixed (along with outgoing markup). Feedback sought. #indiewebcamp ()
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aaronpk
oh good
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aaronpk
http://webfingerclient-dclinton.appspot.com was the first result in google
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tantek.com
created /Reply (+19) "r" (view diff)
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KevinMarks
willnorris: http://web.archive.org/web/20110806094617/http://diveintomark.org/archives/2003/11/25/http-error-447
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sandeepshetty
tantek: barnaby's tweet: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2012-10-04#t1349385508, you welcoming me http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2012-10-04#t1349396847, and you telling me that I'm all talk and no code http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2012-10-05#t1349474707
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@benwerd
Oh, also, #idno plugins can add arbitrary content to any user's #webfinger profile. eg: http://werd.io/.well-known/webfinger?resource=acct:benwerd@werd.io #indiewebcamp ()
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aaronpk
benwerd: wait webfinger can be json too?
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benwerd
I hope so ;) I built this from a spec for webfinger json
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sandeepshetty
aaronpk: it's the preferred thing now...
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aaronpk
oh, good
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aaronpk
i must have been reading old docs
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aaronpk
is the XRD doc in JSON now too?
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sandeepshetty
IIRC they simplifies it and jsut went with the JRD
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sandeepshetty
JRD = json version of XRD
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benwerd
I wouldn't make the assumption that I used the latest spec or anything ...
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sandeepshetty
I can't get myself to use after seeing the activity on the list..
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aaronpk
can the host-meta file be JSON?
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sandeepshetty
sorry don't know enuf.. I just skip read the list
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Loqi
pfefferle: sandeepshetty left you a message 22 minutes ago: you don't have a dt-published for the h-entry http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http://notizblog.org/2013/06/22/like/
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benwerd
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hammer-hostmeta-17#page-12
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pfefferle
can't sleep :)
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pfefferle
you don't need a host meta any more
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pfefferle
sandeepshetty: i think et-published is optional
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sandeepshetty
I'm using it to show the date you published your comment on...
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pfefferle
use updated
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sandeepshetty
aaronpk: For a good summary of the state of webfinger see http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/webfinger/current/msg00694.html and especially this http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/webfinger/current/msg00696.html
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: does the wiki say it's optional?
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pfefferle
aaronpk: the latest spec uses .well-known/webfinger
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pfefferle
http://microformats.org/wiki/hentry
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KevinMarks
I do like tantek's phrase Kanye-UI
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pfefferle
aaronpk: but yes, host-meta does support jrd
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: I'm using uf2: http://www.microformats.org/wiki/microformats-2#h-entry
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sandeepshetty
" Properties are all optional" !
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pfefferle
yes, but does it change or is it missing?
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aaronpk
where on earth is this stuff actually documented?
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pfefferle
what? host meta?
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sandeepshetty
aaronpk: you'll find links to the latest version on the list for sure..
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aaronpk
"the latest spec uses .well-known/webfinger"
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pfefferle
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-appsawg-webfinger-14
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aaronpk
i don't want to read mailing list archives to find the spec...
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aaronpk
:(
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: how do you figure out if it's the latest version? (other than being on the list?)
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pfefferle
aaronpk if it helps: https://github.com/pfefferle/webfinger
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pfefferle
sandeepshetty: i am on the list and the old spec was deprecated
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: http://indiewebcamp.com/comments-presentation#How_to_display that algo talks about displaying dt-published.. which is what I'm doing
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aaronpk
that sucks
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aaronpk
the new spec requires query string parameters
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aaronpk
meaning I can't do it with static files anymore
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Loqi
hehe
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aaronpk
or I can, but I need a rewrite rule to change the query string back into a path on disk
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aaronpk
boo, I want microfinger, webfinger using microformats
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pfefferle
:)
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sandeepshetty
aaronpk: IIRC, Blain was the only guy fighting for the small guys and allowing for static files
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pfefferle
aaronpk: no please… it was hard work to recode the plugin for the latest spec!!!
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: haha
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aaronpk
haha sorry
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tantek.com
edited /posts-elsewhere (+603) "/* Automatic */ add tantek.com, werd.io" (view diff)
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pfefferle
sandeepshetty: i think the easiest way is if i add dt-published :)
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle: yeah I'm following that algo :)
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sandeepshetty
as much as possible..
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@fdevillamil
Starting to rethink my online presence in terms of #POSSE (http://tantek.com/2012/173/t1/posse-core-indieweb-approach). Will need some code (Twitter and Flickr will come first) ()
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pfefferle
aaronpk: but if you want to stay with the host-meta version, xrd is the default and jrd is triggered by host-meta.json
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aaronpk
orly? benwerd why don't you have a host-meta.json or host-meta file?
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benwerd
because <whistles nonchalantly, jumps out of window>
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benwerd
(not for what I would call deliberate reasons)
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aaronpk
oh, it's not required for webfinger now?
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pfefferle
if you need a demo http://notizblog.org/.well-known/host-meta or http://notizblog.org/.well-known/host-meta.json
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aaronpk
ah sweet thanks
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pfefferle
or http://notizblog.org/.well-known/webfinger?resource=pfefferle@notizblog.org
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KevinMarks
http://thisismyj.am/
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brianjesse
damn I've got web mentions between instances of my own app, but now I see eschnou's post doesn't support it yet!
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brianjesse
kevinmarks: tried to sign up and got "The Twitter REST API v1 is no longer active. Please migrate to API v1.1"
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sandeepshetty
brianjesse: you could try commenting here: http://www.sandeep.io/39
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brianjesse
sandeepshetty: will do!
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sandeepshetty
I think eschnou only does pingback
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sandeepshetty
and I only do webmention :)
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aaronpk
sandeepshetty: you should use the pingback.me bridge to also support pingback!
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brianjesse
sandeepshetty: i'm going to try to add ping back before 4pm deadline in 34 minutes
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sandeepshetty
aaronpk: I should :)
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sandeepshetty
brianjesse: (Y)
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aaronpk
sandeepshetty: <link rel="pingback" href="http://pingback.me/webmention?forward=http://www.sandeep.io/webmention" />
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sandeepshetty
adding it on my next push! (Y)
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aaronpk
woo!
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brianjesse
aaronpk: cool stuff
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@_le_fil_
Tantek: just got "View (Conversation) on Twitter" rel=syndication links working from my notes to #POSSE'd twee... http://tantek.com/2013/174/t4/view-conversation-rel-syndication-posse-indiewebcamp?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter ()
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tantek.com
edited /syndication-link-use-cases (+1990) "incorporate use case description from Falcon working on to this page to keep the reasoning" (view diff)
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tantek.com
edited /posts-elsewhere (+86) "link to syndication link use cases to make it more discoverable" (view diff)
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sandeepshetty
aaronpk: just realized as i was adding the link that it wouldn't have worked for benwerd if he had done per post webmention endpoint :)
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aaronpk
sure it can, you can swap out the forward param dynamically too
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sandeepshetty
ah yes..
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sandeepshetty
I should just go to bed.. my brain isn't working at 4AM :)
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waterpigs.co.uk
edited /syndication-link-use-cases (+186) "/* Shortcut for web actions */ added note about syndication links being fallback for webactions as well as intermediary stage" (view diff)
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aaronpk
but the demos are starting in 30 minutes!
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Loqi
yea
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sandeepshetty
ok I'll hang around :D
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pfefferle
are you still streaming?
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tantek.com
edited /Falcon () "(-1720) got rel syndication links working! moved reasoning/use cases to other generic pages" (view diff)
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aaronpk
if we are not right now, I will start it back up!
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pfefferle
then i try to stay awake too
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brianjesse
there is a pingback module for node!
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@momoika_z
Wonderful #indiewebcamp day 1. ()
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Loqi
old iterated.
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sandeepshetty
aaronpk: hangout url?
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aaronpk
did we lose barnaby?
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waterpigs.co.uk
edited /comment-propagation (+1185) "/* Issues */ added complicatedness issue, brain dumped ideas for über conversation graph viewer" (view diff)
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pfefferle
aaronpk: jo
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pfefferle
aaronpk: hours ago
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aaronpk
aw
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tilgovi
can anyone point me to any doc on the mentions/replies ?
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@benwerd
http://www.sandeep.io/76 Sandeep's doing awesome #indieweb work. ()
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donpdonp
tilgovi: i think you are looking for this http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention
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tilgovi
that'd be it!
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tilgovi
thx
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benwerd
sandeepshetty: any thoughts on why http://werd.io/view/51c77b6bbed7de3e74ca6bd7 isn't triggering a like for you?
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sandeepshetty
what was the response?
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sandeepshetty
(to the webmention)
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sandeepshetty
pfefferle, aaronpk: let me know when the demos start.. and I'll going the hangout
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pfefferle
seems to start in the next few minutes
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pfefferle
we are sitting in the first row <3
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benwerd
I'm trying to get it back - not actually logging the responses
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brianhendrickson.com
edited /2013/demos (+42) "/* Hack Day Demos */" (view diff)
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pfefferle
benwerd: try using the console
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pfefferle
it's perfect for debugging
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aaronpk
barnabywalters: do you know if this bug is fixed in your latest changes to php-mf2? http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftantek.com%2F2013%2F174%2Ft4%2Fview-conversation-rel-syndication-posse-indiewebcamp
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barnabywalters
hears talk of mentions. Can someone reinvite me to the hangout please?
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pfefferle
benwerd: curl -i -d "source=http://notizblog.org/2013/06/20/5231/&target=http://www.sandeep.io/73" http://www.sandeep.io/webmention
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: Looking
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benwerd
well, I get a 200 ..
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: you did install that package right?
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aaronpk
i can't remember haha
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barnabywalters
S/mention
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aaronpk
ok demo time, will check that later
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barnabywalters
Crap
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pfefferle
https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/NZmZRsAtCHGtnLgottJh_w?hl=en
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barnabywalters
Cheers
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pfefferle
:)
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aaronpk
barnabywalters: did you get the hangout invite?
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pfefferle
yes, he joined
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aaronpk
sweet
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tantek.com
edited /2013/demos (+138) "/* Hack Day Demos */ more demos" (view diff)
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bret.io
edited /2013/demos (+49) "/* Hack Day Demos */ added myself to the demo list" (view diff)
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seanbmcgregor.com
edited /2013/demos (+41) "/* Hack Day Demos */" (view diff)
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jacksenechal.com
edited /2013/demos (+80) "/* Hack Day Demos */" (view diff)
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tantek.com
edited /2013/demos (+482) "notes for Brian's session" (view diff)
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tantek.com
edited /2013/demos (+23) "/* Hack Day Demos */ 3 minute demos" (view diff)
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp @bradfitz: we built http://websfist.org today to do a webfinger like thing without having to change sites ()
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tantek.com
edited /2013/demos (+419) "/* Hack Day Demos */ Brad & Brett WebFist demos" (view diff)
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sandeepshetty
benwerd: I can't seem to get to my appfog logs to figure out what happened.
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benwerd
sandeepshetty: the mf2 looks right, right?
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benwerd
I'll try a different page
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sandeepshetty
try 39
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benwerd
still failed
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benwerd
hrrrm
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sandeepshetty
waht was the response body?
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sandeepshetty
was it empty?
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benwerd
it was
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benwerd
200 OK, but empty
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benwerd
just tried it again
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aaronparecki.com
edited /2013/demos (+153) "/* Hack Day Demos */" (view diff)
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sandeepshetty
benwerd: ok nothing in the logs.. let me add some debug...
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tantek.com
edited /2013/demos (+535) "/* Hack Day Demos */ partial notes" (view diff)
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sandeepshetty
benwerd: I'm pushing some code.. I'll test by sending the webmention myself.. what was the other post?
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benwerd
http://werd.io/view/51c78109bed7de224be54b28
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benwerd
thanks sandeep!
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp @bradfitz: send an email to http://webfist.org to set a key, read back as a webfinger query http://webfist.org/.well-known/webfinger?resource=acct:kevinmarks@gmail.com ()
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sandeepshetty
benwerd: I see the like on /39
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sandeepshetty
http://www.sandeep.io/39
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benwerd
oh!
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benwerd
it wasn't coming up for me
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benwerd
maybe a hard refresh thing?
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sandeepshetty
could you send the other one as well..
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sandeepshetty
nope.. did nothing..
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bret
can anyone tell why my micro formats are not getting parsed when posting replies? http://bret.io/2013/06/23/t2/ http://eschnou.com/entry/testing-indieweb-federation-with-waterpigscouk-aaronpareckicom-and--62-24908.html
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benwerd
http://werd.io/view/51c77caebed7de221693a29c
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benwerd
er
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benwerd
http://werd.io/view/51c77b6bbed7de3e74ca6bd7
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tantek.com
edited /2013/demos (+550) "more notes" (view diff)
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barnabywalters
bret: Add p-author to that h-card to declare authorship
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barnabywalters
Not all implementations search any further than the author property for h-cards
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bret
crap
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bret
live demo, ruined :p
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bret
XD
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aaronpk
was still pretty good
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barnabywalters
bret: looked pretty good to me :)
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sandeepshetty
benwerd: I sent a manual webmention for the other one and it showed up: http://www.sandeep.io/76
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benwerd
ok, nifty
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benwerd
will send one more
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benwerd.com
edited /2013/demos (+62) "/* Hack Day Demos */" (view diff)
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barnabywalters
benwerd: I replied to your request for a reply but nothing showing up — any idea what the problem is?
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benwerd
when did you send it?
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benwerd
(I broke something but it should be fixed)
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barnabywalters
benwerd: http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4QeMyu/
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barnabywalters
Earlier, then manually about 10 mins ago
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sandeepshetty
benwerd: like 2 min ago... I meant I send the webmention for the like on your behalf
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benwerd
ok, my likes to sandeep work
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benwerd
now to figure out the issue with incoming mentions
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benwerd
code code code
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barnabywalters
Did you add checking for u-in-reply-to on the URL? Because my reply contexts are a bit weird about that
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barnabywalters
The entire h-card is the in-reply-to value
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp : now seeing camlistore running on a raspberry pi ()
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sandeepshetty
benwerd: so sandeep.io seems to be working fine.. not sure why your webmentions didn't go through...
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barnabywalters
I need to document it
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benwerd
sandeepshetty: something changed - I just sent a like fine!
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sandeepshetty
I just added some error_log statements (that's all) :)
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benwerd
probably I fixed something then
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@ozten
RT @kevinmarks: #indiewebcamp @bradfitz: send an email to http://webfist.org to set a key, read back as a webfinger query http://t.co/… ()
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sandeepshetty
benwerd: where did you send the new one?
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benwerd
http://www.sandeep.io/73
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bret
barnabywalters: no go :(
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sandeepshetty
has to go back and resend all webmentions to fix date issues he had earlier
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benwerd
can someone please try sending another one?
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barnabywalters
bret: Looking at source again — where are you mentioning?
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benwerd
eg to http://werd.io/view/51c78416bed7de4910bacab6
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sandeepshetty
benwerd: what do you need.. comment or like?
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benwerd
either
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pfefferle
done
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bret
RE: eschnou.com
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pfefferle
used http://werd.io/view/51c525d1bed7de22492c1804
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pfefferle
worked like a charm :)
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benwerd
beeeeautiful
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bret
barnabywalters: its tagged with class="u-in-reply-to"
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barnabywalters
Bret: still not quite in the right place — p-author h-card on the same element
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benwerd
thanks
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bret
ohh
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bret
hrrm
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bret
crap ok
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benwerd
ok, I get why sandeep's likes etc won't come through
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benwerd
fixing
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barnabywalters
bret: use pin13.net or http://WaterPigs.co.uk/php-mf2 to verify stuff is working properly
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bret
what about the image?
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tantek.com
edited /2013/demos (+704) "more notes for Aaron etc." (view diff)
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barnabywalters
Bret: check out markup of any note on http://WaterPigs.co.uk/notes, and how it parses
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sandeepshetty
benwerd: sent but nothing happened
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barnabywalters
Image is a property of the h-card which is a property of the h-entry
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benwerd
sandeepshetty: can I trouble you for one more try?
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sandeepshetty
sure...
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benwerd
(thanks so much for your patience)
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sandeepshetty
as many as you need :)
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sandeepshetty
sent but nothing still.. are you receiving the mentions?
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benwerd
Oh no
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benwerd
ONE more
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benwerd
I made a stupid mistake
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benwerd
promise this is the last one
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benwerd
(it's the author details that are causing isssues)
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benwerd
(I blanked the microformat)
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barnabywalters
benwerd: should I try resending mine from earlier?
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tantek.com
edited /2013/demos (+537) "more aaron notes" (view diff)
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benwerd
sure
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ozten
webfist WFM http://webfist.org/.well-known/webfinger?resource=acct:shout@ozten.com well played, sirs
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sandeepshetty
benwerd: tried again but nothing..
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sandeepshetty
you can also use curl to replay my mention:
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sandeepshetty
curl -i -d "source=http://werdhttp://www.sandeep.io/83&target=http://werd.io/view/51c78416bed7de4910bacab6" http://werd.io/webmention/
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barnabywalters
benwerd: Me too, no response :( although actually I’m getting 200 responses
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barnabywalters
Which seems a bit weird ;)
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@bradfitz
RT @kevinmarks: #indiewebcamp @bradfitz: send an email to http://webfist.org to set a key, read back as a webfinger query http://t.co/… ()
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brianjesse
nice like!
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aaronpk
3 minutes seems to be the right length!
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barnabywalters
claps
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barnabywalters
I’m receiving likes as normal comments
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tantek.com
edited /2013/demos (+368) "/* Ben Werdmuller */ demo notes" (view diff)
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barnabywalters
They should always fall back to sensible content if shown as a comment
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sandeepshetty
has a stupid connection that keeps kicking him out of the hangout
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benwerd
boooo, was hoping to demo that working
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benwerd
thank you all so much though
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benwerd
apologies for my failure to make it work!
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sandeepshetty
benwerd: how about just rolling back to when it was working :)
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benwerd
;)
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benwerd
It will be very shortly ;)
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp @benwerd demos federated likes: http://werd.io/view/51c7870abed7de3205566039 liked http://www.sandeep.io/83 and it noted that ()
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barnabywalters
How long until webmention becomes the Internet?
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sandeepshetty
oops I have duplicate posts from pressing ctrl+R :(
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pfefferle
now finally time to go to bed… bye bye
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barnabywalters
Actually goodnight this time :)
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Loqi
ciao
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sandeepshetty
GN all and thanks. This was fun :)
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@ozten
A valuable contribution, from a designer, to the #IndieWebCamp movement would be a "One Click App Install" flow to my [un]host(ed|ing) stack ()
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@erik_paulson
It looks like there were some really awesome projects at #indiewebcamp that might/hopefully someday will be part of the net infrastructure ()
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@anildash
@kevinmarks can you tell everybody at #indiewebcamp hi? Wish I coulda a been there to talk @thinkup with everybody, but sounds like fun! ()
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melvster_
evening all ... i got a message ... but the text has scrolled off my buffer ... if you have a question ill be happy to try and answer!
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@enneff
RT @bradfitz: Camlistore 0.2 is now out: https://camlistore.org/docs/release/0.2 ... #golang #indiewebcamp ()
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sandeepshetty
!tell barnabywalters: was re-sending webmention I had received to fix date issues and it looks like somethings not right with your mf2 (or the parser): http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4QdGxv/ (webmention to: http://www.sandeep.io/64)
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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sandeepshetty
melvster_: hey
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melvster_
hi! :)
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sandeepshetty
we were thinking of a good rel name for the object being liked: http://indiewebcamp.com/responses
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sandeepshetty
I was wondering if you've done something like this with rdf and had a suggestion
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sandeepshetty
object-of-like seems to be the best one so far
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melvster_
sandeepshetty: yes this has been discussed without conclusion ... the two best candidates we had were "like" (singular) and "likes" (plural) ... to go into FOAF ... one precedent that is commonly used (more than 100 million examples) is "knows"
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melvster_
at first glance "like-of" and "object-like-of" seem slightly unwieldy and and unintuitive ... but that's a subjective view, I could be totally off center
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sandeepshetty
from the perspective of rel names being the object, the object-of-verb seems like the best option to me so far
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!tell barnabywalters: it seems to work fine when I resent the webmention for http://www.sandeep.io/39 so there is something about that http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4QdGxv/ that messes with php-mf2 maybe?
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Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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melvster_: I gotta really get some sleep now (it's 6 AM).. but if you have links to conversation about this could you just leave them here... thanks
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sure ... let's chat tomorrow! :)
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*whew*
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I was unfortunately not able to follow along with IRC today! looks liek a bunch of cool stuff happened though!
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@anildash @thinkup I think @ginatrapani would have loved #indiewebcamp we need better stats on our stuff ()
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Dealing with "liking" mutable things on the #indieweb as opposed to immutable things on silos... http://www.sandeep.io/84 ()
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[[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Aaronparecki.com * uploaded "[[File:indie-web-camp-2013.jpg]]"
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So #indiewebcamp attendees, I want to hang out more often. Not (just) because of the IndieWeb, but because it would be fun to hang out. ()
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@benwerd
I've had more fun at #indiewebcamp than I have with computers in a very long time. You should get involved: http://indiewebcamp.com/Main_Page ()
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[mention] http://werd.io/view/51c7ba02bed7deb9163567f6 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Main_Page (pingback)
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@SuperKnockedUp is up for indie soaps award this week - best couple/best show/etc http://www.welovesoaps.net/2013/06/indie-june-16-22.html #indieweb #superherosupervillian ()
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what a fun weekend :)
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tantek
bret - great to meet you!
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bret
nice to meet you!
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dreeves
indiewebbers are super dreamy. sorry we had to leave a bit early!
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bret
dreeves, remind me who you are again>?
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danny reeves of beeminder
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(with the children and the google glass)
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bret
hi! There wasnt enough time to meet everyone for as much time as I would like
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RT @datacosmos: #dataecosystems #indiewebcamp Mycelial networks of autonomous nodes will replace the skyscraper models of today. ()
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tantek
all of you were all dreamy and it was wonderful spending a weekend together
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dreeves
indeed! i think we chatted more last year than this year. fewer distractions that time i guess
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I though of an idea for my idea session. IRC STUFFS!
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(speaking to brett in particular there)
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of wait to late
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oh*
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im bret, one t
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oh, wait, sorry, not brett slatkin then. ok, i also need a reminder then!
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bret
the one without the 'go fu' or ability to hack together solutions to the internets problems in one day brett
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bret
im the really tall one who needs a haircut
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dreeves
gets his bret(t)s straight
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bret
anyone still at baily's?
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bret
i forgot to close my tab
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and the bar tender isnt picking up the phone
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:x
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wikiiiiii
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RT @bradfitz: Camlistore 0.2 is now out: https://camlistore.org/docs/release/0.2 ... #golang #indiewebcamp ()
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aaronpk how was your nap
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aaronpk
was good to recharge
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aaronpk
now furiously editing the wiki preparing for next year :)
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bret
what a whirlwind of ideas
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aaronpk
indeed!
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bret
thanks for all your hard work
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#blocage #banque : vends domaine #lybien : tabar.ly - jamais servi. prêt à aider pour mise à l'eau #indieweb #fr ()
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bret
is anyone able to tell why why why this MF isnt parsing correctly? http://bret.io/2013/06/23/t3/
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bret
the h-card isnt associating with the h-entry
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bret
http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbret.io%2F2013%2F06%2F23%2Ft3%2F
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pfefferle
Use "p-author h-card"
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bret
funny i figured that out right before you said that
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bret
thats been screwing me up all day :(
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:)
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