#indiewebcamp 2013-06-25

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@ggatin RT @kevinmarks: “Find something in your life that is broken and write software to fix it.” http://blog.hoctor.com/all-the-apps-have-been-written/ great #indieweb advice t…
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@scrottie RT @pjf: OH: "The documentation for pokémon on Yahoo! Answers is better than any documentation from Oracle." — @caseorganic #indiewebcamp
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@MarshaCollier RT @kevinmarks: “Find something in your life that is broken and write software to fix it.” http://blog.hoctor.com/all-the-apps-have-been-written/ great #indieweb advice t…
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@BlondienFL RT @kevinmarks: “Find something in your life that is broken and write software to fix it.” http://blog.hoctor.com/all-the-apps-have-been-written/ great #indieweb advice t…
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@chris_j_powell RT @kevinmarks: “Find something in your life that is broken and write software to fix it.” http://blog.hoctor.com/all-the-apps-have-been-written/ great #indieweb advice t…
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@chris_j_powell RT @kevinmarks: “Find something in your life that is broken and write software to fix it.” http://blog.hoctor.com/all-the-apps-have-been-written/ great #indieweb advice t…
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@t #indiewebcamp 2013 hacks:
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@kevinmarks RT @t: #indiewebcamp 2013 hacks:
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@ayirpelle "@t: #indiewebcamp 2013 hacks:
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bret did any of the indiweb stuffs make it on hackernews or other news outlets/
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bret ?
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aaronpk I haven't seen anything yet. waiting for someone to write up a blog post about it I think
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bret I started writing about the things that cought my attention, but I keep getting distracted by just working on my site
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bret there is a bunch of jekyll fixes that I am trying to catch up on. So many old hacks to remove!
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aaronpk nice
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bret aaronpk, what is used to power the SMS authentication in indiauth?
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bret also, is there a todo list for the wiki?
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aaronpk twilio, and http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/
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bret that page seems more like just for the wiki itself, I mean pages that need cleaning up/creation/consolodation
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aaronpk oh
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aaronpk well there's the list of articles that have the "stub" marker http://indiewebcamp.com/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:stub
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bret yikes
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aaronpk that would probably be a good place to start
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bret ill check it out
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aaronpk also a lot of them may not be stubs anymore, sometimes peopel add stuff to the page and it gets pretty thorough and they don't take off the stub marker
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aaronpk this one is definitely a stub :) http://indiewebcamp.com/Persona
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aaronpk this one is less of a stub http://indiewebcamp.com/PubSubHubbub
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bret im getting the impression there are a ton of informational gems that I come across, then lose track of consistently
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bret ahh so much stuff to work on
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aaronpk haha
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bret I have done replies to barnaby, aaronpk, eschnou, and benwerd and it all works flawlessly. I can't get over that
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aaronpk wooo!
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bret is it possible to bounce indieweb comments to irc somehow?
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bret like send a webmention or something
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bret to a different endpoint
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aaronpk if you link to indiewebcamp.com and send a webmention they will show up
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aaronpk i should do the same for indienews, then you could just post stuff there
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aaronpk see: http://news.indiewebcamp.com/how-to-submit-a-post
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Loqi fo sho
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bret Can you submit a link to indieweb? or do you have to link to your site
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aaronpk it has to have the syndication link to indienews
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aaronpk so you can't submit someone else's links
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aaronpk brb
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bret ok
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bret bye
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@DrummerDaveF An #enterprisemoility or #BYOD solution that utilises hosted cloud storage is not providing #mobilesecurity and #datasecurity. #ownyourdata
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@McCannDmccann01 RT @kevinmarks: “Find something in your life that is broken and write software to fix it.” http://blog.hoctor.com/all-the-apps-have-been-written/ great #indieweb advice t…
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@Editor_Page RT @t: #indiewebcamp 2013 hacks:
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bret do I reply to http://werd.io/view/51c921fcbed7de745b274ae6 or http://werd.io/view/51c8fc19bed7de5e23600fb1#comments ?
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aaronpk i think http://werd.io/view/51c921fcbed7de745b274ae6
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bret doing a curl -i -s http://indiewebcamp.com/2013 | grep 'rel="http://webmention.org/"' does not return anything. how do I send a webmention without knowing the endpoint?
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aaronpk oh it might only support pingbacks...
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aaronpk let me check, hold on
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aaronpk bret: ok now it should support webmention
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@clochix Amis du Web décentralisé, le site de l’IndieWebCamp offre quelques démos et compte rendus http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/demos
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@benwerd Added some simple reply context
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Loqi vastly improved Microformats 2 parsing. #indieweb #idno
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bret sweet aaronpk, ill try now
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bret i sent a webmention "curl -i -d "source=http://bret.io/2013/06/24/t5/&target=https://willnorris.com/2013/06/testing-indieweb-comments" http://pingback.me/indiewebcamp/webmention" but nothing seemed to happen, it was accepted. I thought it goes to irc?
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bret it had a link to the IWC wiki
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benwerd in Portland for an extra day #itsahardlife
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benwerd bret: I'm sorry I saw your reply so late
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bret oh np!
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bret im writing a response right now actually
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bret XD
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benwerd :)
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benwerd I've just completely refreshed my webmention parsing code so I hope it works ;)
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bret ill give it a shot
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bret should I add any more MF to my posts?
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bret I only implemented indieweb relplies
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bret not notes
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bret it throws an error if its not in reply to something XD
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bret need to fix taht
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benwerd I mean, I think the answer is "yes"
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benwerd for one thing, we're going to have indieweb events before too long, and you'll need to be able to rsvp ..!
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bret oops screwed up the webmention
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benwerd how so?
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bret hrrm doesnt seem to work
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bret curl -i -d "source=http://bret.io/2013/06/24/t6/&target=http://werd.io/view/51c921fcbed7de745b274ae6" http://werd.io/webmention/
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bret do you see a problem?
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bret I relplied to http://werd.io/view/51c921fcbed7de745b274ae6
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bret should I reply to http://werd.io/view/51c8fc19bed7de5e23600fb1 instead?
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benwerd "No link from http://bret.io/2013/06/24/t6/ to http://werd.io/view/51c8fc19bed7de5e23600fb1" is what my error log says
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benwerd let me take a look at your source
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benwerd you can totally reply to http://werd.io/view/51c921fcbed7de745b274ae6, but it looks like you set the target to be http://werd.io/view/51c8fc19bed7de5e23600fb1
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bret oops
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bret lemmi fix that
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bret or, what would you think the better target would be
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benwerd if you're in-reply-ing to http://werd.io/view/51c921fcbed7de745b274ae6, you should set that to be the target - because you've set the other page to be, it's expecting a link to it somewhere in the page
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benwerd It *should* have returned an error to you, but I'd better check that that's outputting properly
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benwerd the error case is: no_link_found: The source URI does not contain a link to the target URI.
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bret hrrm tried it again, not working :(
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bret with the curl -i -d "source=http://bret.io/2013/06/24/t6/&target=http://werd.io/view/51c921fcbed7de745b274ae6" http://werd.io/webmention/ command
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bret ill try it to the original post
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benwerd ok, I see it
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benwerd this may be my new code now
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benwerd it's not finding any content for the post
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bret :(
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benwerd (and therefore refusing to add the mention)
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benwerd un moment
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bret oh now its now showing anything for the http://bret.io/2013/06/24/t6/&target=http://werd.io/view/51c8fc19bed7de5e23600fb1 repl
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bret reply*
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bret is there something wrong with my microformats?
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benwerd no, it's my #(@*)ing parser
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benwerd hold on ;)
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bret http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbret.io%2F2013%2F06%2F24%2Ft6%2F
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bret ok
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bret sorry
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benwerd no, no, *I'm* sorry!
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bret Im so used to it being my fault :x
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benwerd I've apparently written very brittle code
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benwerd I thought I'd made it less brittle
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benwerd but what's happening is that the mf2 parser isn't finding a content field (for some reason it's not grabbing e-content)
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benwerd but you do have a summary, so I'm going to fall back to that
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bret i had a "spend hours on a single dumb mistake" day on sunday
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bret benwerd: my microformats is totally hacky.... people kept saying to add stuff in irc
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bret but for some reason I removed summary
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bret err hang on nm
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@arthurlutz RT @clochix: Amis du Web décentralisé, le site de l’IndieWebCamp offre quelques démos et compte rendus http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/demos
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benwerd may I ask you to try again?
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benwerd (just reping)
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bret yeah, but is it okay that I went back to replying to http://werd.io/view/51c921fcbed7de745b274ae6 ?
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benwerd yeah, of course!
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benwerd no worries
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benwerd that looks like it worked?
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bret yeah!
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benwerd cooool.
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bret but it looks like replying to the original thread would display better
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bret or a good time to do threads XD
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@fdevillamil BLOG: #POSSE : Syndique partout, publie chez toi ! (et réapproprie toi le Web intelligemment). #indieweb. http://t37.net/posse-syndique-partout-publie-chez-toi-et-reapproprie-toi-le-web-intelligemment.html?utm_source=buffer&utm_campaign=Buffer&utm_content=buffer8ba93&utm_medium=twitter
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benwerd Genius idea about an event announcement
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bret hey portland, who is still around?
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benwerd Going to try that right now
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bret h-event
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bret :)
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bret I need to fix my paginator
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bret benwerd: you implement these things at a furious pace! awsome
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benwerd ha! thanks ;) I actually spent the day swearing at HTML5 media tags, so this kind of coding feels very recreational in contrast
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bret i spend 3 hours putting p-author in the wrong place
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bret spent*
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benwerd I'm not going to tell you how long I've spent on this mf2 parsing stuff so far ...
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bret has it been hard?
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benwerd unreasonably so. I haven't coded it slowly and deliberately enough to catch all the detail the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 57th times
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benwerd but with each iteration it gets a little better.
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benwerd this isn't because it's necessarily a hard coding job - it's more my own failure to go slow and take care over it
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bret well, it really seems like you are building something that could be the wordpress of indiweb
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bret im finding the whole MF1/2 thing confusing
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bret there isnt a whole lot of live examples that A) take the context of indiweb commenting into account and B) dont mix up MF1/2 and random structure/style classes
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benwerd I'm ignoring mf1 outright
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benwerd I'm treating it as a benefit of coming late to the party
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bret thats good to know
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bret i kind of just ran at the challenge with my eyes closed and copied all of the tags people had already implemented :?
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bret it kind of says how resilient this shit is that even my asinine strategy worked for the most part
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benwerd your asinine strategy was exactly my asinine strategy
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benwerd and I totally agree :)
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bret running across https://unhosted.org/ really gives me hope that this whole no server side code thigh might actually work
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bret still, I :( every time the jekyll developers tell me they wont take pull requests for really awesome features
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bret benwerd: you still ace hotelin it up?
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benwerd Oh yeah
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benwerd Surrounded by rustic wood and bird decals
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bret what is that weird door thing in your room?
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benwerd My window shade
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bret oh cool
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bret did you get your complimentary record player?
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benwerd No, but I had to upgrade my room for tomorrow in order to stay an extra day
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benwerd So maybe then
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bret XD
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@SuperKnockedUp RT @taraplatt: @SuperKnockedUp is up for indie soaps award this week - best couple/best show/etc http://www.welovesoaps.net/2013/06/indie-june-16-22.html #indieweb #superher…
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benwerd ... I don't think #indieweb means what they think it means
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bret I voted for AS THE CORN GROWS
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@NerdLushDiva RT @taraplatt: @SuperKnockedUp is up for indie soaps award this week - best couple/best show/etc http://www.welovesoaps.net/2013/06/indie-june-16-22.html #indieweb #superher…
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bret fuck
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Loqi lolz
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bret anyway benwerd, heading off to bed. If you need coffee in the morning, maybe we can run into each other at courier coffee a block away from ace :)
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bret ill probrably be by there in the morning
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benwerd yeah, gimme a shout if you're nearby
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benwerd I've got to stop working on this late at night
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benwerd at some point it'll catch up with me. But determined to make this post ...
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bret whats the best shout method?
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bret IRC or SMS works for me
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bret or email
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bret anyway, even if we don't convene on the place together, it would be a good addendum to the ace hotel to visit that place. they take tour groups through there, its great!
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benwerd email's probably best, though cell is 312 488 9373
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Loqi 312-488-9373: Chicago, IL.
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benwerd good to know!
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benwerd thanks loqi. google voice, actually.
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Loqi you're welcome
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benwerd bret: Bailey's seem reasonable to propose for a meet again? Everyone definitely knows it by now
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@benwerd I'm proposing an unofficial Portland post #indiewebcamp get-together tomorrow evening: http://werd.io/event/51c94deebed7de5c2386a1b4/unofficial-portland-post-indiewebcamp-meetup
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@benwerd @benwerd I'm not sure why the IndieWeb News post title got truncated. Looks like it was looking for a date?
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@domenicoperri RT @benwerd: I'm proposing an unofficial Portland post #indiewebcamp get-together tomorrow evening: http://werd.io/event/51c94deebed7de5c2386a1b4/unofficial-portland-post-indiewebcamp-meetup
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neuro` Good morning.
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pfefferle good morning
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: hacking my live tweeting tool
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: shame my html layout is so ugly though
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: now its almost working I should update the website
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@kevinmarks #indiewebcamp @kevinmarks: scratching my own itch a bit
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@kevinmarks #indiewebcamp @kevinmarks: actually tweeting from http://www.noterlive.com/ now
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@kevinmarks #indiewebcamp @kevinmarks: Wonder if this works on my phone
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@mediajunkie RT @t: #indiewebcamp 2013 hacks:
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acegiak pfefferle: I was able to send a pingback by curl so it's obviously wordpress not triggering the sends. I'll have to have a further look later into how that all happens
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pfefferle acegiak: ok, nice that you make some progress!
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acegiak pfefferle: my hosting needs to be renewed sometime soon so I'm focusing on that first though because I want to set up my own DNS hosting rather than paying for it, seeing as I have quite a powerful server at home
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pfefferle ok, let me know if i can help you with anything!
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pfefferle btw: error_log(print_r($data, true)."\n", 3, dirname(__FILE__) . "/log.txt")
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pfefferle is a nice way to debug ;)
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acegiak I just don't have any experience with bind9 and am generally pretty poor at configuring server stuff, but once I get that worked out I'll be able to use subdomains per account and actually log in with indieauth
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acegiak pfefferle: oh yeah, that would work well
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@fdevillamil #POSSE : Syndique partout, publie chez toi ! (et réapproprie toi le Web intelligemment). #indieweb. http://t37.net/posse-syndique-partout-publie-chez-toi-et-reapproprie-toi-le-web-intelligemment.html?utm_source=buffer&utm_campaign=Buffer&utm_content=buffer506ea&utm_medium=twitter
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@mereteresa RT @fdevillamil: #POSSE : Syndique partout, publie chez toi ! (et réapproprie toi le Web intelligemment). #indieweb. http://t37.net/posse-syndique-partout-publie-chez-toi-et-reapproprie-toi-le-web-intelligemment.html?utm_source=buffer&utm_campaign=Buffer&utm_content=buffer506ea&utm_medium=twitter
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JonathanNeal I was looking at the different automated image compressors, Adept, toy / image_optim, imageoptim-cli. Do you use any of these? Would you recommend any?
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@BarnabyWalters #indiewebcamp 2013 in numbers: http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4QgE6_/
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@Keltounet RT @fdevillamil: BLOG: #POSSE : Syndique partout, publie chez toi ! (et réapproprie toi le Web intelligemment). #indieweb. http://t.co/yuMW…
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Loqi tantek: sandeepshetty left you a message on 6/24 at 1:59pm: take a look at http://indiewebcamp.com/responses#Brainstorming when you have some time. I'm liking the object-for-verb template and it solves the problem of naming all types of responses.
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Loqi tantek: sandeepshetty left you a message on 6/24 at 2:02pm: I meant object-of-verb
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@vadorounet RT @fdevillamil: BLOG: #POSSE : Syndique partout, publie chez toi ! (et réapproprie toi le Web intelligemment). #indieweb. http://t.co/yuMW…
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@edsu saw your msg re: h-cite in @hypothes_is &amp
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Loqi #indiewebcamp would like to chat about that sometime, maybe on Thursday?
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@edsu @tilgovi saw your msg re: h-cite in @hypothes_is &amp
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Loqi #indiewebcamp would like to chat about that sometime, maybe on Thursday?
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sandeepshetty how do ppl enter the timestamp when they sign wiki edits? manually or is there a macro for it?
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tantek sandeepshetty - ~~~ = User: link, ~~~~ = User: link with timestamp
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bret how do I reply to this? http://werd.io/event/51c94deebed7de5c2386a1b4/unofficial-portland-post-indiewebcamp-meetup
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bret it seems like I would post an rsvp on my site and send a web mention?
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bret but I don't see any examples of that anywhere
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@benwerd @stef @paulsq But also, you should check out #IndieWebCamp UK: http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/UK Totally what this is about.
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Loqi [mention] http://werd.io/view/51c9c8e9bed7de5b23bad3a1 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/UK (pingback)
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@benwerd UK geek friends! If you run your own code on your own site and/or care about the web, this is a must: http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/UK #indiewebcamp
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Loqi [mention] http://werd.io/view/51c9c920bed7de59233e3962 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/UK (pingback)
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@kevinmarks RT @benwerd: UK geek friends! If you run your own code on your own site and/or care about the web, this is a must: http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/UK #…
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@ozten RT @benwerd: UK geek friends! If you run your own code on your own site and/or care about the web, this is a must: http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/UK #…
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@rapella RT @benwerd: UK geek friends! If you run your own code on your own site and/or care about the web, this is a must: http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/UK #…
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@fdevillamil #indiewebcamp @kevinmarks: Wonder if this works on my phone
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@fdevillamil #indiewebcamp : Playing with http://t.co/kSVUAHIMbG, a cool app to make live tweeting easier by @kevinmarks. Like it so far.
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@fdevillamil #indiewebcamp @kevinmarks: Je suis dans le coin
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@kevinmarks #indiewebcamp @fdevillamil : Now I need to add easier multi - speaker support. And blog posting
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@vihaire RT @fdevillamil: #POSSE : Syndique partout, publie chez toi ! (et réapproprie toi le Web intelligemment). #indieweb. http://t37.net/posse-syndique-partout-publie-chez-toi-et-reapproprie-toi-le-web-intelligemment.html?utm_source=buffer&utm_campaign=Buffer&utm_content=buffer506ea&utm_medium=twitter
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@haxor Bootstrapping decentralized discovery with WebFist – Details here: http://www.onebigfluke.com/2013/06/bootstrapping-webfinger-with-webfist.html #indieweb weekend hack with @bradfitz
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@kevinmarks #indiewebcamp @fdevillamil : Publiez chez vous, syndicie partout.http://t37.net/posse-syndique-partout-publie-chez-toi-et-reapproprie-toi-le-web-intelligemment.html
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@kevinmarks @fdevillamil @benwerd @t common posting api powered by indieauth? #indiewebcamp
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@fdevillamil @kevinmarks @benwerd @t sounds good, but wouldn’t it be as hard to maintain as jabber bridges are? #indiewebcamp
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@benwerd @fdevillamil @benwerd @t Have you seen the stuff about web actions? http://indiewebcamp.com/webactions #indiewebcamp
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@benwerd @kevinmarks @fdevillamil Have you seen the stuff about webactions? http://indiewebcamp.com/webactions #indiewebcamp @t
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Loqi [mention] http://werd.io/view/51c9d5ffbed7de5923814a67 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webactions (pingback)
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@phredmoyer RT @haxor: Bootstrapping decentralized discovery with WebFist – Details here: http://www.onebigfluke.com/2013/06/bootstrapping-webfinger-with-webfist.html #indieweb weekend hack with @bradfitz
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@bradfitz RT @haxor: Bootstrapping decentralized discovery with WebFist – Details here: http://www.onebigfluke.com/2013/06/bootstrapping-webfinger-with-webfist.html #indieweb weekend hack with @bradfitz
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@cstanhope RT @haxor: Bootstrapping decentralized discovery with WebFist – Details here: http://www.onebigfluke.com/2013/06/bootstrapping-webfinger-with-webfist.html #indieweb weekend hack with @bradfitz
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@paulsmith RT @haxor: Bootstrapping decentralized discovery with WebFist – Details here: http://www.onebigfluke.com/2013/06/bootstrapping-webfinger-with-webfist.html #indieweb weekend hack with @bradfitz
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@kevinmarks http://webfist.org - the new distributed email identity protocol explained by @haxor: http://www.onebigfluke.com/2013/06/bootstrapping-webfinger-with-webfist.html #indiewebcamp
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@firasd a description by @haxor of WebFist, a way to attach identify information to an email address: http://www.onebigfluke.com/2013/06/bootstrapping-webfinger-with-webfist.html #indiewebcamp
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bret someone can do a gist or something and we can post the link she loqi returns
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tantek bret could you add more about your gh-pages experience? http://indiewebcamp.com/GitHub#No_HTTP_Return_Code_Control
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bret yeah
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bret it hasn't been to great
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bret but lots of folks use it so I find it interesting to work in that space artificially
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bret err i guess deliberately would be a better word
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@DrummerDaveF An #enterprisemoility or #BYOD solution that utilises hosted cloud storage is not providing #mobilesecurity and #datasecurity. #ownyourdata
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tantek grawity - added your reasoning: http://indiewebcamp.com/deleted#DO_NOT
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tantek (please feel free to edit/update accordingly)
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bret could there be a http code redirect micro format?
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bret as an alternative ?
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bret maybe thats a terrible idea, i have no idea
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bret I'm still trying to wrap my head around the rational for all these different things
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tantek bret - there's meta http-equiv
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bret oh really?
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tantek https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/meta#attr-http-equiv
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bret maybe that could be used
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tantek looking into it right now
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bret IE, I want to delete a post. Remove it from my main post stream, delete the content, and replace with some "this content has been deleted text" and the appropriate http code equiv header, and then handle any kind of webmentions?
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bret ?
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tantek so the return code itself is not in a header field
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bret i'll probably save it for later, i have a bunch of process and UX stuff I need to work on
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@mcepl @kevinmarks @haxor what's the relationship between WebFist and Mozilla Persona? #indiewebcamp
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tantek otherwise this could work: <meta http-equiv="Status" content="HTTP/1.1 410 GONE">
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fdevillamil No, http return code is in the status line, response-header is "a place where what didn't fit into the status line goes"
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tantek but perhaps this might work as the first meta http-equiv: <meta http-equiv="HTTP/1.1 410 GONE"/>
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tantek I don't know of any server that supports it but there's no reason they couldn't.
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tantek (simple programming and all that ;) )
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bret tantek: ill take note of that and check it out
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fdevillamil bret: since you want to work on gh-pages, why don't you just send the 410 using Javascript in an (almost) empty page?
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grawity servers aren't going to support it at all, I think
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bret i didn't know that was possible fdevillamil
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grawity the meta tags are only interpreted by clients, afaik
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fdevillamil +1 grawity
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fdevillamil bret: gh-pages are html pages, so I don't think anything prevents you from adding javascript there
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@mattmjq RT @haxor: Bootstrapping decentralized discovery with WebFist – Details here: http://www.onebigfluke.com/2013/06/bootstrapping-webfinger-with-webfist.html #indieweb weekend hack with @bradfitz
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bret fdevillamil: i know i can add JS, i wasn't aware that I could use JS to send the code.
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bret cause I'm a noob
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bret :p
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bret googling how to do that now
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fdevillamil bret: you actually can't
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bret i wish I knew about that
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bret oh
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grawity and using JavaScript to send HTTP response codes, no, that's not going to work at all :(
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Loqi it'll be ok
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grawity pats Loqi
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grawity ever the optimist
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fdevillamil Didn't think about something: it must be server side since response code is sent before the page.
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bret It seems like adding support for user control over a subset of http codes would be reasonable
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fdevillamil But sending 410 on the server side + dedicated gone page is IMHO the good way to go.
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bret considering a huge amount of open source projects host on github now
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tantek grawity - I'm pretty sure some servers can be configured to sniff the meta http-equiv inside HTML files and use those for headers
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grawity sure, they already sniff things like <?php ?> after all
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grawity but if the server is configurable, then I wonder what's the point of such <meta> tags anyway
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grawity a standard method for configuring the server, I guess?
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tantek the point is it's easier to keep the configuration with the content than in a separate file
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tantek metadata / distance / accuracy and all that
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grawity hmm
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tantek Ruby's postulate: The accuracy of metadata is inversely proportional to the square of the distance between the data and the metadata.
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grawity and yet, putting a HTML parser in the server...
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fdevillamil grawity: I've nver heard of a server parsing HTML to send information...
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tantek plus we can always handle it at the webmention delete protocol level too
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fdevillamil But updating content publishing tools to send 410 on deleted content should not be an important effort
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tantek you can send a webmention for a resource, and even if it responds 200, if it has a meta http-equiv of a 410, then treat it as if the response status was a 410
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tantek fdevillamil why not? Twitter depends on sending such "delete" messages in its proprietary streaming API
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tantek so clearly it's necessary / pragmatic
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tantek for real time publishing especially
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tantek and we have a use-case on the indieweb
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tantek how to delete content that's been syndicated into other sites
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fdevillamil tantek: did I say the contrary? I'm currently updating my blogware to behave so.
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tantek webmention + 410
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fdevillamil s/so/this way/
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Loqi fdevillamil meant to say: tantek: did I say the contrary? I'm currently updating my blogware to behave this way.
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fdevillamil Loqi: so nice from you.
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Loqi dude
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tantek fdevillamil - perhaps I misinterpreted "should not be an important effort"
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tantek ;)
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fdevillamil should not be too difficult
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tantek ah ok
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fdevillamil is what I meant
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tantek :)
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grawity then maybe the webmention receiver should parse the page for <meta> tags, instead of the webserver doing so
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fdevillamil I'm sorry, my English is not 100% perfect.
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grawity that way the parsing would be done only when necessary
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tantek no problem at all - it's too easy for us native english speaking technical types to presume precisions in the use of english terms :)
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grawity (also, <meta http-equiv="Status" content="410 Gone">, without the HTTP version
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grawity just like CGI/FastCGI scripts do it)
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tantek I'm thinking we could name this indieweb deletion protocol after Mark Pilgrim
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fdevillamil Because the content is gone for a pilgrimage and never came back?
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tantek the Pilgrim Protocol: when you delete a post on your site, send a webmention to all the links that were in the post, and be sure your post permalink returns a 410. if you receive a webmention for a URL which itself is 410 GONE when you attempt to retrieve it, then remove/tombstone any existing copies of it on your site.
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tantek fdevillamil LOL
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tantek grawity - "just like CGI/FastCGI scripts do it" citation? I searched and didn't find any prior art.
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tantek (I do like explicitly indicating "Status", and dropping the HTTP version)
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grawity tantek: trying to find a link... when writing a CGI script (i.e. not mod_php but out-of-process), the status code is indicated by outputting a "Status" header, and the webserver converts it as necessary
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grawity Found it http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3875#section-6.3.3
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grawity so this way would be already familiar to some webdevs
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fdevillamil Time to go back home, it was a pleasure to talk to you tonight.
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grawity and there's no need to put the HTTP version in there, when you don't even know if it's going to be HTTP/1.1 or 1.0 or SPDY/x.y
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tantek grawity - awesome thanks for the ref. updating now.
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tantek appreciate the suggested improvements.
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bret tantek: do you know of any examples of microformat markup that I could use to reply to benwerd's event?
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bret or anyone relaly
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bret really*
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tantek bret - see above rsvp-brainstorming URL
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bret ok
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tantek grawity: http://indiewebcamp.com/deleted#Brainstorming
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@ozten New Post: Persona Incentives for Adoption http://ozten.com/psto/2013/06/25/persona-incentives-for-adoption/ in reply to @Johannes_Ernst #mozilla #persona #IndieWebCamp
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grawity hmm, reading the recently-posted WebFist link
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grawity it says Gmail doesn't implement Webfinger...but I thought Gmail was one of the first providers to implement it?
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tantek ok IndieWeb commenters, here's details on how to handle deleting your comments, and how to enable others to delete the copies of their comments on your site. Please review and see if you can implement (both the deleting your own comments piece, and the receiving "delete" requests piece) http://indiewebcamp.com/deleted
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bret grawity: brad and brett said it was, but was darklaunched
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tantek cc: aaronpk benwerd bret fdevillamil tommorris
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tantek !tell barnabywalters what do you think of this proposed way to handle deleting (and deleted) comments? http://indiewebcamp.com/deleted
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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tantek realizes he should document the update too
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bret lol Pilgrim
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bret Protocol*
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fdevillamil Damn, the indieauth can't find rel="me" links on my site
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bret :[
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fdevillamil So: in the don't, publishers should not return and display a 404 page as "The 410 (Gone) status code SHOULD be used if the server knows, through some internally configurable mechanism, that an old resource is permanently unavailable and has no forwarding address" (http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec10.html)
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tantek and with that, I do believe we've now documented a Federated CRUD protocol for IndieWeb Comments :)
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bret :]
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tantek yes bret, the D(elete) part of the CRUD for federated comments we can informally refer to as the "Pilgrim Protocol"
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benwerd OK, seeing as there was an entire bold wiki section about not doing exactly what I did, I've been shamed into implementing 410
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tantek :D
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benwerd That now exists
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benwerd adding webmention deleted comment support now
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benwerd (I have the world's most exciting lunchbreaks)
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benwerd Oh, except it's not actually returning a 410 response code. So, er, hold that.
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benwerd (I wonder why not.)
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benwerd That's better.
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tantek fdevillamil - added http://indiewebcamp.com/deleted#404_Not_Found
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tantek benwerd - care to update this with details? http://indiewebcamp.com/deleted#IndieWeb_Implementations
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benwerd tantek - Wait, what? No I haven't! I'm implement*ing* it
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benwerd :)
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benwerd oh wait
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tantek I interpreted "That's better." as you having tested it in production :)
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benwerd yes I have
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benwerd sorry, read "deleted comments"
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benwerd "deleted *posts*" is indeed there
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benwerd adding details
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tantek http://indiewebcamp.com/selfdogfood#testing_your_code_in_production
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tantek benwerd, more prodding, I maded you your own wiki project page: http://indiewebcamp.com/idno ;)
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benwerd tantek: No worries, I just uploaded my delete comment / like / share/ rsvp code
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benwerd will move onto adding a little info there
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benwerd tantek: oops, sorry for not doing that
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tantek np - it's not always obvious. so many of those page names are cached in my head that linky linky is almost a reflex
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benwerd :D
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benwerd OK, Portland is raining and I need food. Anyone got a quick recommendation for the Pearl? I'm at Public Domain Coffee right now.
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tantek Public Domain is not near the Pearl though
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tantek benwerd - try Foursquare Explore, and retarget it to The Pearl
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tantek I've checked in a bunch in that area at places and it should show you preferentially the places that you're friends have been to,.
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benwerd yeah, I'll do that (it's near-ish - kind of where I want to end up)
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benwerd ok
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benwerd cool
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benwerd thanks
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benwerd catch you all later.
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bret benwerd: can you post an example note that has RSVP information?
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benwerd bret: Sure, but in a call
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benwerd may be a little while
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bret ok no problem take your time
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aaronpk whoa! forgot I was looking for h-events on indienews
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aaronpk must be looking for the name of the location some other way
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bret cool!
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tantek aaronpk - you may be interested in updating your IndieWeb comments implementation to support update and delete, the remaining bits of the freshly draft Federated IndieWeb Comments CRUD protocol :) http://indiewebcamp.com/comments#Update_a_comment
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tantek s/draft/drafted
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Loqi tantek meant to say: aaronpk - you may be interested in updating your IndieWeb comments implementation to support update and delete, the remaining bits of the freshly drafted Federated IndieWeb Comments CRUD protocol :) http://indiewebcamp.com/comments#Update_a_comment
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aaronpk nice!
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aaronpk yes I will take a look at that!
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tantek and in particular details about deleted posts: http://indiewebcamp.com/deleted
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tantek the delete portion of this CRUD protocol I'm calling the "Pilgrim Protocol": http://indiewebcamp.com/deleted#Handling
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aaronpk am currently busy with real-world tasks ATM. tearing out the floor of my bathroom :)
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tantek whoa - a different kind of delete/update ;)
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aaronpk haha
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benwerd CRUD operations undesirable in this context
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tantek http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Create,_read,_update_and_delete
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bret the bathroom context I take it?
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benwerd yes
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benwerd I was making a terrible joke
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bret XD
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bret i definitely just read that part the wrong way at first
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bret ok ill stop now
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@shane_tomlinson RT @ozten: New Post: Persona Incentives for Adoption http://ozten.com/psto/2013/06/25/persona-incentives-for-adoption/ in reply to @Johannes_Ernst #mozilla #persona #IndieWebCamp
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@fdevillamil Interesting talks tonight about deleted contents on the Web. As often, no need to reinvent the wheel, there’s RFC for that #indiewebcamp.
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@fdevillamil In the mood for organizing an #indiewebcamp in Paris with a #barcamp format. Maybe in September / October.
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bret fdevillamil: that would be awsome
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fdevillamil bret: it's been itching me since last night.
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fdevillamil tantek: thank you (for the 404 add)
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tantek fdevillamil - is IndieWebCampUK too far? http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/UK
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tommorris fdevillamil: I'd certainly like to go to a Paris one. the UK one is closer to me, but I won't be in the UK at the time. :(
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fdevillamil tantek: not really, and I'll be on the move from one job to another, will just need to negociate this with my wife.
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fdevillamil This will be the hardest part.
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tommorris will be officiating a wedding in upstate New York while IndieWebCampUK is on.
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tantek well either we should have them the same weekend and open a big G+ hangout between them (and use this same IRC channel) OR we should try to make them at least a few weeks apart to so people may be interested in going to both!
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@Hack_in_a_Box RT @fdevillamil: In the mood for organizing an #indiewebcamp in Paris with a #barcamp format. Maybe in September / October.
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tantek fdevillamil - I'm sure xtof would be interested in helping co-organize an IndieWebCampParis
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Loqi [mention] https://github.com/aaronpk/mention-client linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (pingback)
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aaronpk lol, i think someone ran the test script
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tantek funny. though that's a good way to test a commenting webmention system
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fdevillamil tantek: I'm sure tool
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fdevillamil too
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fdevillamil Yes, they should not be too close from each other. Well, we'll see how it turns.
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tantek fdevillamil - if you like, create the page http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/Paris just to start brainstorming possible dates, locations, etc., invite others to help volunteer and co-organize: http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/Paris
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benwerd bret: hopefully better late than never, an RSVP response: http://werd.io/view/51ca1213bed7de1e7763d71f
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benwerd (I removed the old one by successfully testing 410 webmention delete, hooray)
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tantek woot!
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Loqi does a happy dance!
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fdevillamil grawity: are you https://twitter.com/grawity?
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fdevillamil tantek: will do. Need to catch up with xtof too, I haven't seen him since that sushi we did in Paris.
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tantek fdevillamil wow! that was a while ago - and that was a great time.
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fdevillamil tantek: sure it was. I've been so busy with work that I've left all side projects aside since then. Time to catch up. Hopefully your tweets allowed me to follow up on indieweb and things alike.
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tantek :)
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@benwerd @npdoty RSVPs use the value of the p-rsvp property as brainstormed here: http://microformats.org/wiki/rsvp-brainstorming #indieweb
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aaronpk man this stuff is getting pretty slick now
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fdevillamil aaronpk: which one?
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@t At close of #indiewebcamp, I proposed using an event post + federated RSVPs for 2014. @benwerd implemented both today. (ttk.me t4Qg1)
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tantek aaronpk - you read up on update & delete?
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aaronpk skimmed
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aaronpk will need to re-read later
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@vrypan RT @t: At close of #indiewebcamp, I proposed using an event post + federated RSVPs for 2014. @benwerd implemented both today. (ttk.me t4Qg1)
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aaronpk oops! somehow this got confused: http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/06/25/1/indiewebcamp
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aaronpk pulled in my comment on benwerd's site as a post from benwerd
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aaronpk oh... he re-posted my comment?
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benwerd yeah, I think that's probably a failure in my markup - it was meant to be a like
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aaronpk ah
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@temporaryhuman RT @t: At close of #indiewebcamp, I proposed using an event post + federated RSVPs for 2014. @benwerd implemented both today. (ttk.me t4Qg1)
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aaronpk a like with some additional text?
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aaronpk http://werd.io/view/51ca1637bed7defc250de1cf
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benwerd a like with context
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tantek shouldn't the lack of a rel=in-reply-to prevent that from happening
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aaronpk "Hacking IRC bots sounds like fun."
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aaronpk ah yes, that's on my side then
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aaronpk looks like I wasn't checking for the in-reply-to, just checking for a link to my post
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benwerd Mm, I add optional descriptions to my likes (going with more of a bookmarking metaphor)
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benwerd yeah, I'm going backwards and forwards about that
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aaronpk benwerd: in that case I would have expected your comment to appear as the h-entry content then
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benwerd aaronpk: indeed - as I say, a failure in my markup ;)
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aaronpk I think I originally implemented my comment thing to not require in-reply-to because nobody was publishing that yet :)
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aaronpk I think now I can require it
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benwerd I took it out recently because I was getting webmentions from barnaby where the parser wasn't finding any in-reply-to
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benwerd but having accidentally commented on a post today, I think I'll also put it back in
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tantek aaronpk - you were displaying all mentions as comments?
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aaronpk well, I was displaying all mentions :)
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tantek heh
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aaronpk I wouldn't say "as comments" because that implies there is a distinction between mentions and comments, which my site doesn't have
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tantek they *looked* like comments :P
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aaronpk so really that means I need to make a new UI for mentions
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tantek or comments
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aaronpk ah yea, in my storage I have them marked separately, one is a "reply" and one is a "reference"
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tantek sandeep distinguishes them
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aaronpk I have an idea for how I want to display references/mentions
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aaronpk haven't gotten around to implmeneting yet
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tantek aaronpk - see here for other such "footer section" ideas: http://indiewebcamp.com/posts#Footer_sections
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tantek in other markup news I made sure I was publishing both the u- and rel= in-reply-to and syndication markup on my posts
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@pphaneuf RT @haxor: Bootstrapping decentralized discovery with WebFist – Details here: http://www.onebigfluke.com/2013/06/bootstrapping-webfinger-with-webfist.html #indieweb weekend hack with @bradfitz
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aaronpk heh, I had a crazy thought about SMS indieauth
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aaronpk oh, no that's a terrible idea
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@kevinmarks #indiewebcamp @fdevillamil : Now I need to add easier multi - speaker support. And blog posting
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tantek the speed at which so many people are implementing all these indieweb features is blowing my mind.
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bret yeah this is nuts. I bet I can get RSVP working before this evening
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bret at least sending
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@ozten RT @t: At close of #indiewebcamp, I proposed using an event post + federated RSVPs for 2014. @benwerd implemented both today. (ttk.me t4Qg1)
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benwerd can someone webmention me a coffee?
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benwerd I think the weekend and all this late night hacking is beginning to take its toll
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tantek benwerd - happy to buy you a coffee back here in SF
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bret benwerd, thanks for the coffee btw
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benwerd tantek: Always up for it - would be good to meetup again soon and compare notes
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benwerd bret: no worries! Sorry it was so whistlestop
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bret its okay!
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bret i understand if you cant hang out with portlands retired youth population
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bret benwerd, should we move the event from baily's to backspace?
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benwerd That seems like a decent plan
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tantek oh there's a question.
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bret updating events
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tantek how does an event propagate updates to RSVPs?
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bret :D
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benwerd I'll go edit my event
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bret webmentions
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benwerd Uh
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tantek so even if you just post an RSVP, you have to listen for webmentions from the event
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benwerd Hm
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tantek does the event have its own activity stream of such edits?
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benwerd Interesting - so far webmentions have been from an annotation to a parent, basically
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benwerd but this would be a parent talking back to its annotations
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bret benwerd, dont blow a fuse before tonight
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tantek "benwerd changed the location of the event from x to y"
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tantek LOL bret
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bret get your coffee
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benwerd I would be sorely tempted if I didn't have the day job ;)
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aaronpk you know... if we solve sending updates about events from the parent to its annotations, that actually would be useful for way more than just changing event info
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aaronpk we could have used that a lot for this indiewebcamp weekend already
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tantek bret did your RSVP work?
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aaronpk things like "Hey there is also this pre-party you may be interested in!" or "dinner at X" etc
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tantek like having comments go out to all the RSVP?
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aaronpk yea, pretty much
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tantek interesting
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bret tantek, not yet. I was waiting for an example rsvp before I tried. Now there is one, and I shall go off and make it work
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tantek if we somehow got all the follow-up changes/notifications working as well as what people expect from silo events, this might serve as quite the awesome replacement
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aaronpk that sounds like a good goal
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tantek so, this is why "events" are different than just a post with comments
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tantek there is a very different expectation
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tantek I don't really expect / want notifications of all the follow-up comments on every comment I make.
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bret its like all of these little gems of technology and standards are coming together into something really fantastic
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tantek direct replies to my comments sure, but not everything
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tantek however, on an event, that you're RSVP'd to, you kinda want all the updates
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tantek bret - the key: *little* gems
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aaronpk re: follow-up comments, I would want to be able to selectively get notifies of all comments though. sometimes I do want to follow a thread that closely
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tantek we had to learn the hard way to stop trying to shove big boulders together to make things work
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tantek aaronpk - presumably you could opt-in by subscribing to PuSH notifications of the feed on the post that you want to follow
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aaronpk json-push? :D
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benwerd tantek: totally in agreement - one of the joys has been that really, each little bit can be done in a single session, so you always see progress
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bret someone tweet that
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tantek bret which?
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bret stop trying to shove big boulders
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bret you always see progress
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tantek if people are talking about "heavy lifting" as a good thing and they're not talking about actual weightlifting, back away slowly.
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bret is there going to be a tech crunch article on this past weekend?
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@egrigg9000 Eyes glued to the #indiewebcamp hashtag stream.
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tantek bret - we had a reporter from Wired there - so hopefully we'll see that
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bret oh, i thoght he was from tech crunch. Thats nice ot hear its from wired
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aaronpk i think he will be covering more than just the weekend, more about the whole indieweb idea in general
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bret hopefully he catches on to whats happened today
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tantek bret - he has a monthly column for TechCrunch also as well: http://about.me/klintron
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aaronpk wait what happened today?
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aaronpk we need a "this week in the indieweb" column
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aaronpk stuff's happening so fast!
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bret aaronpk, all of the CRUD ideas, and events
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bret err i guess benwerd has some of the crud working
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tantek aaronpk: look at http://indiewebcamp.com/Special:RecentChanges just for today
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aaronpk hah good point
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aaronpk would be more fun to read in prose tho :)
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tantek but yes, in summary, I figured out CRUD for responses via webmention, and benwerd implemented it already. In addition to implementing event and RSVP posts. NBD.
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acegiak aaronpk: wouldn't that violate DRY though? :P
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tantek !!!
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aaronpk :(
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tantek why :( ?
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aaronpk DRYUN - don't repeat yourself unless necessary
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tantek so yeah this: http://indiewebcamp.com/comments#Update_a_comment
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tantek and
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aaronpk nice
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aaronpk b 19
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bret the federated wiki looks really cool but I seriously don't understand how it works or what exactly it does
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tantek bret - well, we haven't really explored non-time-centric content as much on indieweb
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tantek federated wiki is one such exploration
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bret is the idea that everyone runs their own wiki, and can basicly fork and share edits with the other wikis easily?
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bret like the git of wikis?
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tantek bret - exactly. I asked for it at OSBridge 2011 lunch with Ward: http://tantek.com/2011/174/t1/read-fork-write-merge-web-osb11 - he came to IndieWebCamp that weekend and built it
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tantek like git except no cryptic commandline claptrap
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tantek (aside: ironically really enjoying my shiny new "View on Twitter" links where I can see if there was any POSSE downstream activity)
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@benwerd I have this irrational desire for JSON PuSH to be renamed JubJubHubbub. #indieweb #anewhope
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tantek I didn't think the links would be that useful, but I'm using them a lot when I look at old posts.
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tantek benwerd_ what about HTML PuSH? Do we need yet another duplicate data format/protocol?
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aaronpk html push!
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aaronpk hubhubhubhub
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aaronpk hubhubhubbub
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benwerd_ Or HuSH ..?
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aaronpk HuSH!
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benwerd_ But yes, agree completely
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tantek Then you could call it - yeah that :)
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benwerd_ I just haven't got jubjubhubbub out of my head since JSON push was mentioned earlier
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tantek HyperHubbub :P
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aaronpk HyperPush
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benwerd_ hush would be way more practical - and would allow for a lot of reuse of our webmention / mf2 parsers
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aaronpk yep!
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benwerd_ hyperpush / hyperhubbub do sound way more active
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benwerd_ as opposed to hush which is a little bit goodnight moon.
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Loqi gute nacht!
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tantek hPuSH ;)
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tantek though I do like the sound/usage of HuSH
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@kevinmarks RT @benwerd: I have this irrational desire for JSON PuSH to be renamed JubJubHubbub. #indieweb #anewhope
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tantek HuSH - the P is silent
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benwerd_ :D
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aaronpk or just "psh"
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aaronpk can you find an "i" word to add? then we can call it "PHiSH"
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aaronpk seems safe :D
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benwerd_ bret: Just wanted to reconfirm that I changed the location on the event
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aaronpk benwerd_: are you not free until 7:30?
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tantek wonders about downstream reply updates in general.
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benwerd_ aaronpk: I wanted to give myself space to finish up work, although tbh things are winding down
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tantek would someone who commented on a post in general want to be notified if the original post was updated?
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aaronpk ah cool
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tantek (not for all follow-up comments, just if the original was altered)
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aaronpk i'm heading over in a few minutes by bike
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benwerd_ aaronpk: cool! once I know everything's clear (I'm watching a 10 GB+ video sync between servers) I'll wander over (cc bret)
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aaronpk maybe I'll go there and implement RSVPs so I can RSVP to the event
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tantek :)
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benwerd_ :D
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acegiak hey so, I can't log in to the wikie, proposal to solve the awkwardness of "object-of-like": use "liked-by" and "favourited-by" or am I looking at it wrong?
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benwerd_ those are semantically different: "liked-by" implies you're linking to the thing that's doing the liking - whereas in fact you're linking to the like target
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acegiak yeah I'm looking closer and I've got the relationship backwards
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tantek acegiak - yeah - it's a common problem with rel values - people get very confused about them quickly, hence the FAQ on microformats.org
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acegiak yeah I'm looking now
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acegiak ok so "object-of-like" in english semantics doesn't actually describe the relationship that it's trying to describe
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benwerd_ tantek: to answer your question above, yes, I'd want updates no matter what, because (when I finally have proper reply-context) I want to update my reply context
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acegiak same with "like of"
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acegiak becaues they're both actually describing the parent