#indiewebcamp 2013-08-06

2013-08-06 UTC
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f-a are you looking for the AS spec, voidfiles ?
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tantek that is a good resource voidfiles
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tantek of course, one might ask to what purpose you'
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tantek … re producing a feed
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tantek *for what
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tantek AS or otherwise
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voidfiles Well, we have an API already, that not really based on any standard.
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voidfiles I have been looking into what it would take to support AS as well as our main API
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voidfiles things like stars/follow/post/repost mostly
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tantek who is "we" ?
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voidfiles App.net
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f-a cool
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tantek voidfiles - cool
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voidfiles Anyway, I just want to make sure I am reading the most up to date information I can find.
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tantek aaronpk and I started a document on what makes sense to support for hosts like app.net
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voidfiles Is that something I could read?
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tantek http://indiewebcamp.com/friendly
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tantek and welcome!
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tantek feel free to add yourself to: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people
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voidfiles Cool, we just complete PuSH support last week inbound and outbound.
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tantek that is great to hear
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aaronpk ah yeah! that's great, dalton told me about that!
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tantek aaronpk - would be great to get app.net setup as a first-class supporter of indieweb comments
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aaronpk totally!
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tantek do we know what else they need to support besides h-entry + h-card + in-reply-to and sending of webmentions?
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aaronpk shouldn't take much to add the h-entry markup
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voidfiles The application that we wrote to handle inbound syndication is actually open source, all be it very raw/new, https://github.com/appdotnet/pourover.
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voidfiles I would be happy to accept patches for handling things like h-card, and h-entry.
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aaronpk voidfiles: that would need to go on the alpha.app.net site, is that also open source?
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voidfiles so, we have kind of a home-brew micro data format right now, i'd have to look at h-entry.
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aaronpk well there are plenty of examples!
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voidfiles I am looking at this http://microformats.org/wiki/hentry
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aaronpk http://microformats.org/wiki/h-entry is the microformats-2 version
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tantek voidfiles - yup - you want the latest version: http://microformats.org/wiki/h-entry
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voidfiles ah, cool
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Loqi [mention] http://shawfactor.com/2013/08/06/thoughts-on-extending-webmentions/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://shawfactor.com/2013/08/06/thoughts-on-extending-webmentions/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/PESOS (pingback)
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aaronpk guys! make more posts about the event tomorrow! 3 of the top 4 search results for osfw3c are mine! http://www.flickr.com/photos/aaronpk/9447319291/
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Jihaisse hello
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neuro` Hi
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bret Any tips on breakfast near Mozilla sf?
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tantek good morning bret
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tantek there's the Ferry building
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tantek some more info here: https://wiki.mozilla.org/SF
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tantek are you @MozSF already?
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barnabywalters there’s a Mozilla guy coming to Reykjavik on the 15th to talk about stuff. I’ll be there advocating indieweb and microformats as usual
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neuro` Good morning #indiewebcamp
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barnabywalters morning neuro`
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aaronpk good morning!
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aaronpk crap, SFO is holding back flights so i'm going to get in late
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bret tantek: No I was on Bart
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bret Almost at mozsf though
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aaronpk bret: how'd you get down to sf so fast?
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bret Cheap flights leave early :p
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aaronpk nice
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aaronpk wish I had been on that flight
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aaronpk mine isn't leaving until like 11 now
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aaronpk my flight was only $5 tho ;)
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barnabywalters aaronpk: wat
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barnabywalters is this a flight on a paper aeroplane?
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aaronpk lol
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aaronpk frequent flyer miles :)
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barnabywalters ah, nice
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barnabywalters would happily pay $5 to have a go on a paper aeroplane large enough to seat a human
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donpdonp aaronpk: a $5 flight, and SABRE had some downtime yesterday. coincidence??
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aaronpk oh i also learned you can book a flight and get a confirmation number and not have a ticket
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aaronpk and booking a horizon flight through delta makes the process extra complicated because horizon doesn't have the billing info and delta can't print a boarding pass
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bret damn, mine was 190
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aaronpk i fly a lot
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bret mozilla guest blocking ports? I cant get onto irc locally
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donpdonp bret: when i was there, ping was blocked, so it wouldnt surprise me
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donpdonp there=mozPDX
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bret weak
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bret well ill just use safari the whole time im here then hrmph
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bret aaronpk: whats going on with the delays?
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aaronpk air traffic controller delays
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aaronpk theyre stopping flights from going in to sfo
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donpdonp aaronpk: are you in the air now??
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aaronpk looks like i wont get in until like 2
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aaronpk donpdonp: no, at pdx
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aaronpk and the oakland flight was full so i couldnt get on that one
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aaronpk on the plus side i got to eat breakfast
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bret aaronpk: i was on the 6:27 united flight. Almost missed it too!
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aaronpk tantek: are you planning on making slides for thursday?
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barnabywalters anyone else see Peter Shaw got webmention working and blogged some ideas about it? http://shawfactor.com/2013/08/06/thoughts-on-extending-webmentions/
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aaronpk yeah!
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aaronpk also he used my sketch of the indieweb map in the header image :)
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barnabywalters his mf came out really weird on my site because I’m still parsing classic microformats
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aaronpk heh
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barnabywalters I’m debating just turning it off
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bret aaronpk: not sure where tantek is. IM in the mozilla lobby hanging out waiting to get into the main space
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aaronpk haha ok
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Loqi ahaha
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bret building gcc from source sucks
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aaronpk lol
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bret you would think there was some kind of rbenv, or virtualenv that let you build isolated gcc tool chains easily. nope! nothing even comes close to that
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bret ok endrant
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tantek bret - if you entered from Embarcadero into the 1st floor space, you should see seating and such
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tantek you're not still stuck in the building lobby are you?
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bret tantek: ya im chilling in front of these big TVs
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aaronpk ooh do they have the giant 80" tvs there too?
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bret looks to be about 80 yeah
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aaronpk so huge
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bret http://www.flickr.com/photos/bretc/9450869375/
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bret and kids in mozilla costumes
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bret :)
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tantek Bret that's the space we'll be hacking in so you're in the right place.
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tantek has to drop off a vehicle for maintenance and then will be MUNIng right over.
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bret ok right on :)
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bret There is like some crazy huge video conference about to happen :)
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aaronpk|m ugh I'm taking early flights from now on
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aaronpk|m I'd rather wake up at 4:30 than wait in the airport for 2 hours
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bret :(
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aaronpk|m Finally on the plane good lord
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aaronpk|m I think I may actually end up in SF today
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bret yaaaayyy
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aaronpk|m At this rate I could have just driven down in the same amount of time
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bret How do people recomend marking up a blog, if you were trying to be a completist about it. MF1+MF2?
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bret all uf2?
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bret h-atom + mf2?
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donpdonp aaronpk|m: just remember the old way of going to SF http://www.archives.gov/research/american-west/images/026.jpg
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aaronpk|m I only add mf1 if its going to make something happen in google search results
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aaronpk|m donpdonp++
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Loqi donpdonp has 105 karma
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bret I want to suppport h-atom, so but beyond that I wasnt sure
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bret am not sure
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aaronpk|m Taking off now bye!
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barnabywalters bret: my advice would be to look at which classic mfs and properties are actually consumed
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barnabywalters but yes, h-entry h-card and other mf2 to as much detail as you can, and enough hAtom and hCard to satisfy tools which use them
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bret barnabywalters: what do you use?
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barnabywalters on my main h-card I mirror all the properties I can, on all other h-cards I use only mf2
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Loqi MIRROR ALL THE PROPERTIES http://loqi.me/7jK
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barnabywalters on h-entries, I mirror the root classname, published, entry-title, entry-summary, entry-content and author OTTOMH
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barnabywalters and obviously wherever you’re using implied properties there’s no point adding BC classnames
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bret Is anyone parsing linked h-cards?
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barnabywalters bret: in what context?
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barnabywalters I think sandeepshetty is implementing /authorship
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bret Instead of having an h-card on the page, you could link to another page with the h-card on it
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bret reply contexts
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barnabywalters typically the only properties you actually need for a reply context author are name, url, photo, all of which can be inferred from a root classname
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barnabywalters and if you wanted to get more info you’d follow the url and see what was there
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bret i see
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bret woop tantek is back
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bret or here
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neuro` Shrödinger's Tantek: here and not here at the same time.
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Loqi [mention] http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4RPKPs/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/reply (pingback)
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tantek indiewebcampers - Bret and I are going to the Ferry building to grab a quick lunch bite from the farmers market there before coming back and settling in for hacking
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tantek cc: aaronpk benwerd
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tantek !tell benwerd in case you get to Moz before we get back, bret and I are going to the Ferry building to grab a bite from the Farmers market before settling in for hacking at 13:00
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek ish
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voidfiles I have a question about h-card, and I guess about microformats2 in general. I am trying to figure out how to markup a photo that isn't in the markup as img tag.
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voidfiles Its a background-image
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voidfiles Is there something like schema.orgs meta to point at non-displayed information?
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voidfiles Like this http://schema.org/docs/gs.html#advanced_missing
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Loqi [mention] http://jihais.se/2013/08/06/mise-a-jour-du-blog-indieweb-posse/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE-fr (pingback)
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tantek hey voidfiles - just got on after lunch
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tantek you can markup any URL as a photo
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tantek the <data> element is useful for this
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tantek I'd avoid meta in general as invisible data is a bad pattern and should be avoided
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@jihaisse Mise á jour du blog #indieweb #posse http://jihais.se/2013/08/06/mise-a-jour-du-blog-indieweb-posse/
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voidfiles okay cool, I will look into the data element.
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tantek like <data class="u-photo" value="http://example.com/foo.jpg"></data>
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voidfiles Perfect.
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jihaisse hello
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tantek greetings jihaisse
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jihaisse my new blog who support posse and back feed :
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aaronpk landed
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jihaisse http://jihais.se
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jihaisse under wordpress
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jihaisse with some hacked plugins
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aaronpk finally
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tantek aaronpk lol
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bret w00t
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jihaisse support fb/twitter for now
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jihaisse I will try to make g+ working later
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bret everyone who hasn't yet add yourself to http://indiewebcamp.com/IRC#People_on_IRC
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aaronpk now waiting for bart to transport me to downtown
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bret another 45 mins +
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bret :[
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aaronpk more like 1 hr
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aaronpk we'll see
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tantek no way
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bret pfffff
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tantek once you depart SFO-BART station, it should be ~30min to Embarcadero station
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tantek then a 7-10 minute walk to MozSF
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aaronpk oh cool
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aaronpk should be departing in 1min. been sitting here for 9 already
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tantek are you in the BART train itself?
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jihaisse bret: I don't have indieAuth yet, will add it later
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aaronpk tantek: yea, BART from SFO
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tantek ok cool. have the doors closed yet?
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aaronpk just departed!
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tantek woot!
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Loqi woot
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jihaisse party in LA ?
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aaronpk bret: tantek: I made you a thing: https://geoloqi.com/trips/9mwk_rx
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aaronpk i think that still works
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tantek aaronpk - tiles not loading
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tantek or rather, only one tile (top left) loading, all the rest are blank
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aaronpk doesn't work so well when i'm in a tunnel, heh. there we go
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aaronpk uh that's odd, the tiles should not have trouble loading
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aaronpk could be network glitches. loads fine for me even on a cell network
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bret aaronpk: what train are you on?
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aaronpk the yellow one
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aaronpk well now I want to send an indieweb message to bret and tantek that embeds a real-time map!
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bret aaronpk: we need a direction vector, you had us worried
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aaronpk haha
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bret aaronpk: that would be hella cool
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aaronpk i saw some gps glitches too
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aaronpk not sure what that's about
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aaronpk probably all the tunnels i'm going through
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Loqi PROBABLY ALL THE TUNNELS http://loqi.me/7jN
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aaronpk yeah loqi!
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Loqi grins profusely
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aaronpk oh hey
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bret are there like tunnel propes that could spoof gps coords to compesate for the lack of signal? they need that
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aaronpk bret: tantek: http://aaronparecki.com/messages/2013/08/06/1/live-map-heading-to-mozilla-sf
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aaronpk magix!
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bret showoff :p
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tantek btw added directions from BART/MUNI/SFO to MozSF wiki: https://wiki.mozilla.org/SF#from_BART
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bret thats way cool aaronpk
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bret aaronpk: we just got tantek set up with the iOS irc shortcut button
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tantek on my homepage
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tantek er, homescreen
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@MozSF #indiewebcamp SF hack day in full swing! Join @t Bret.io @brianloveswords in the 1st floor commons http://indiewebcamp.com/2013sfhd
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@indiewebcamp RT @MozSF: #indiewebcamp SF hack day in full swing! Join @t Bret.io @brianloveswords in the 1st floor commons http://indiewebcamp.com/2013sfhd
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bret http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2013-08-06-hack-day
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bret ozten: are you in SF?
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ozten bret: sadly, no
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ozten Seattle
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bret :[
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bret I finally got your mention! http://bret.io/2013/07/02/t1/
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ozten bret: oh cool
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bret brianloveswords: http://indiewebcamp.com/IRC-people
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@veganstraightedge @t @brianloveswords @indiewebcamp What's everyone hacking on today?
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bret shaners: aaronpk is going to get rid of the irc spam in #microformats
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bret tantek is deleting hella stuff and its not spamming
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voidfiles When dealing with urls in h-card, and h-entry, is it okay if they are relative, or should they always be absolute?
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tantek voidfiles - they can be relative
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tantek per HTML rules
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voidfiles cool
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tantek parsers are required to resolve them to absolute URLs per HTML rules
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tantek <base> etc.
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voidfiles So, I just rolled about a first attempt at henry and hcard.
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voidfiles You can see an example here https://alpha.app.net/voidfiles
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voidfiles Feedback is welcome.
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bret voidfiles: w00t
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Loqi :D
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aaronpk voidfiles: whoa awesome!
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aaronpk voidfiles: here is your page run through the PHP parser! http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Falpha.app.net%2Fvoidfiles
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voidfiles yea, I saw that actually, which is why I was wondering about relative vs absolute.
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voidfiles Also, I guess I didn't do date time correctly
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aaronpk i think the version of the parser isn't resolving relative URLs yet, but that's my fault
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voidfiles That element has a datetime attribute, not sure why its reading the text from inside the tag.
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aaronpk and partly barnabywalters'
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gjones voidfiles and through the node parser http://microformat2-node.jit.su/?url=https%3A%2F%2Falpha.app.net%2Fvoidfiles
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tantek voidfiles - because the "datetime" attribute is only valid on the <time> element
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voidfiles ah, okay.
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tantek so for example: <time datetime="2013-07-31 13:37:37">7d</time>
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tantek with microformats property
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tantek <time class="dt-published" datetime="2013-07-31 13:37:37">7d</time>
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voidfiles cool, I think we can just change to a time tag.
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tantek or put <time> inside the <i>
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aaronpk next to the <i>*
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tantek so you don't have to touch your CSS etc.
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voidfiles yea, cool.
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voidfiles We should have that rolled out today.
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voidfiles brb
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Loqi I agree
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bret Loqi sees all
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Loqi benwerd: tantek left you a message 3 hours, 3 minutes ago: in case you get to Moz before we get back, bret and I are going to the Ferry building to grab a bite from the Farmers market before settling in for hacking at 13:00
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tantek benwerd: http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2013-08-06-hack-day#Participants
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@glennjones Spend the day building an reverse proxy-API around Google Drive as one of the switchable data sources for my new indieweb site @indiewebcamp
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donpdonp switchable data sources ++
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voidfiles I just rolled out the fix to my hentry implementation. Fixes the published issue.
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aaronpk voidfiles: awesome!
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aaronpk benwerd: https://github.com/indieweb/indieauth-spec
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aaronpk it's a start
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benwerd Rockin'
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