#indieweb

2013-08-08

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@vpicavet
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twtr.io/bFM5oaBNTD)
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@gklyne
RT @aaronpk: Why would I have any interest in http://schema.org if all I can do is publish my data for Google? #osfw3c (http://t.co/cF… (twtr.io/bFMt9fxbH7)
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@veganstraightedge
New Post: "JSON-LD is an Unneeded Spec" #indieweb http://sbb.me/b4RR1 (twtr.io/bFQ7c3hRGp)
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neuro`
Good morning.
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shaners
which one of you is downcasing the short url from /b4RR1 to /b4rr1
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shaners
?
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neuro`
Not me, why?
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shaners
neuro` i was watching the logs for errors. and a bunch of requests came in for that short url, but all downcase.
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shaners
oh well. i'm off to bed. night, all.
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@danbri
RT @Gkellogg: IBM using pubsubhub, ActivityStreams and JSON-LD to solve real-world problems #osfw3c (twtr.io/bFR9K9KHL1)
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@AlbertoManuel
Last day of Workshop on Social Standards: The Future of Business follow #osfw3c for live streaming http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/agenda.html … #social #bpm (twtr.io/bFRnFUbgb1)
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@albertmeronyo
RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c @t: We have a lot of specs for open data. Google doesn't use an open license for http://schema.org Only google… (twtr.io/bFRzbRy25t)
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@albertmeronyo
RT @aaronpk: Why would I have any interest in http://schema.org if all I can do is publish my data for Google? #osfw3c (http://t.co/cF… (twtr.io/bFS1WmNSh9)
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@_JayGeorge
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twtr.io/bFS7UFu3sZ)
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@brennannovak
@jancborchardt awesome, totally up for both! I'm here in Berlin till #IndieWebCamp UK. Yah, lets hangout! (twtr.io/bFWLJ1ZCjo)
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mapkyca
Good morning campers :)
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tigerfinch
good morning :)
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@mqttorg
RT @jasnell: @ciberch @Gkellogg @andypiper Activity Streams + JSON-LD + MQTT is a very compelling story... #osfw3c (twtr.io/bFrCLRcDxL)
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Loqi
tantek: bret left you a message 7 hours, 18 minutes ago: doesn't use of the data html5 tag leave a lot of wiggle room for people to use invisible microformat data?
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tantek.com
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neuro`
Good morning (?) tantek §
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tantek
yes, good morning neuro` :)
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@WanjaSchaible
RT @aaronpk: Why would I have any interest in http://schema.org if all I can do is publish my data for Google? #osfw3c (http://t.co/cF… (twtr.io/bFw7hoR5qw)
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@dJdU
“@t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5)” via @JBezivin (twtr.io/bFweXGUf28)
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tantek.com
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barnabywalters
tantek: lol “syntatic vinegar” — never heard that one before
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Loqi
[@frankdiana] RT @dhinchcliffe: RT @lehawes: IMO, #socbiz has matured enough that we need to bridge Systems of Record &amp
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Loqi
Systems of Engagement. #osfw3c &lt
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Loqi
… (http://twtr.io/bG2HZdWMSR)
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@lehawes
Here for Day 2 of the #osfw3c workshop on social standards. (@ Tank 18) https://foursquare.com/lehawes/checkin/5203b66e498e21f26c814f6a?s=SK8kPh86H5dZ3waUMop1G_Izy30&ref=tw (twtr.io/bG2dtNRXJR)
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Loqi
… (http://twtr.io/bG2sQ0AFYG)
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Loqi
[@gfxman] RT @dhinchcliffe: RT @lehawes: IMO, #socbiz has matured enough that we need to bridge Systems of Record &amp
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Loqi
Systems of Engagement. #osfw3c &lt
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@gfxman
RT @lehawes: Here for Day 2 of the #osfw3c workshop on social standards. (@ Tank 18) https://foursquare.com/lehawes/checkin/5203b66e498e21f26c814f6a?s=SK8kPh86H5dZ3waUMop1G_Izy30&ref=tw (twtr.io/bG2tFsZqMs)
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@blessmurk
RT @jasnell: @ciberch @Gkellogg @andypiper Activity Streams + JSON-LD + MQTT is a very compelling story... #osfw3c (twtr.io/bG3g0qR400)
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@eschnou
Interviewed by @fastcolabs about my "PRISM Break" story. Talked about #indieweb, identity, operations, etc. https://eschnou.com/entry/prism-break-how-this-developer-created-his-own-cloud-62-25016.html (twtr.io/bG4c3DXdsp)
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Loqi
[mention] https://eschnou.com/entry/prism-break-how-this-developer-created-his-own-cloud-62-25016.html linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (pingback)
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@eschnou
Interviewed by @deciara of @FastCoLabs about my "PRISM Break" story. Talked about #indieweb, identity, etc.. https://eschnou.com/entry/prism-break-how-this-developer-created-his-own-cloud-62-25016.html (twtr.io/bG4hJdNxzU)
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@pris_biblio
RT @t: Best social web news today: @AppDotNet supports h-entry h-card rel=me #microformats2! http://blog.app.net/2013/08/07/response-to-brennan-novak-part-ii/ #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQN) (twtr.io/bG5DG7Sqaj)
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@lehawes
RT @albertomanuel: Last day of Workshop on Social Standards: The Future of Business follow #osfw3c for live streaming http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/agenda.html (twtr.io/bG5PcayXFD)
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@lehawes
Kicking off Day 2 of #osfw3c with a presentation of how mobile can disrupt social by @MonicaSLam, head of Stanford's MobiSocial Lab. (twtr.io/bG6weafp8J)
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@katmandelstein
RT @lehawes: Kicking off Day 2 of #osfw3c w/presentation of how mobile can disrupt social by @MonicaSLam, head of Stanford's MobiSocial Lab. (twtr.io/bG7A4udhuw)
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@bitcuration
RT @dhinchcliffe: Nice compliment from @malexander1219 about the "#socbiz canvas" concept I mentioned here at #osfw3c. Backstory: http://t.… (twtr.io/bG7D21pyYY)
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@vassko
How Mobile Revolutionizes Social by Monica Lam (Stanford) #osfw3c http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/agenda.html (twtr.io/bG7KPx6CG2)
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benwerd
Howdy gang, sorry I'm late
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aaronpk
morning!
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aaronpk
looks around
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barnabywalters
afternoon indiewebcamp
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benwerd
what's the wifi situation this morning? I'm not seeing the Tank18-public network
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aaronpk
my computer hopped on to it this morning but I switched to tethering
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benwerd
my phone's decided to use an edge connection today
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@socialmediaclub
Taking advantage of all your social networks via your phone gives you a broader social "ego" network via @MonicaSLam #osfw3c (twtr.io/bG7XQbcL00)
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aaronpk
if you can see my bluetooth device you are welcome to connect to it
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benwerd
it's dialuptastic
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benwerd
alas, I'm too far away
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aaronpk
wifi?
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benwerd
enough data to talk on IRC, not enough to edit my slides ;)
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@lehawes
@MonicaSLam: an identity-based (not IP address) open mobile network would free us from constraints of large public social networks. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bG7cgz45Fk)
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bret
benwerd: are you here?
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benwerd
bret: yes, right at the back
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aaronpk
benwerd: there's a spot next to bret
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bret
benwerd: I sent you a message: http://werd.io/view/5203aeafbed7dec3297fe349
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benwerd
cool - is it easy to sneak in there?
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benwerd
I saw it!
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aaronpk
yeah there's a gap to sneak in behind tantek
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benwerd
rockin
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benwerd
brb
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bret
benwerd: all we have to do is move this bag
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tantek
and we're back
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tantek
jump back on https://etherpad.mozilla.org/osfw3c folks
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tantek
benwerd, come on down!
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tantek
you know what's worse than FB? identifying yourself as a non-intl portable (not without great expense) phone number
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@lehawes
@MonicaSLam's vision is a phone-based P2P network, based on open messaging standards, in which we can share social objects. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bG7vg29nE9)
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@katmandelstein
Open mobile messaging-based network would turn social network model inside out by accessing data wherever it is stored- @MonicaSLam #osfw3c (twtr.io/bG7vi3XZu8)
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aaronpk
glad to hear she's been using it daily
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@markuslanthaler
Another interesting #indieweb project http://vole.cc/ P2P social network powered by Bittorrent, #golang and #emberjs (twtr.io/bG89dtwJGY)
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bret
How is this different than facebook?
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aaronpk
it's supposed to use your own storage backend, but I think I missed her explanation of that
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bret
oh like dropbox?
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aaronpk
yeah
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@eric_meeks
#osfw3c Mobile is a great opportunity to bring control of our social networks away from the giants and back to the consumer: see @MonicaSLam (twtr.io/bG8XPzuhZb)
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@zikolach
RT @markuslanthaler: Another interesting #indieweb project http://vole.cc/ P2P social network powered by Bittorrent, #golang and #em… (twtr.io/bG8hcBSqam)
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tantek.com
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@lehawes
"There is a war going on in open messaging and it's very important that we don't lose it." - @MonicaSLam #osfw3c (twtr.io/bG8p5c1AUG)
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bret
Are app platforms relevant to web standards?
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@lehawes
@MonicaSLam says open messaging can lead to an open app platform to an open social network. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bG8v1g6YAg)
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bret
Its like a POSSE app client
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tantek.com
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Loqi
[mention] http://werd.io/slideframe/520335d6bed7de2e1a648b51 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (pingback)
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aaronpk
am I not supposed to use the osfw3c channel as general chat?
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Loqi
[@benwerd] I don't like taking statements like "we won't monetize your data" on trust. If you mean it, make it impossible &amp
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Loqi
prove it. #osfw3c (http://twtr.io/bG9ModK8ij)
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aaronpk
benwerd_: also "B2C" and "B2C2B" for your generator
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benwerd_
A2A #requiemforadream
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benwerd_
B2C2C2B2C2C
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tantek
aaronpk what happend in the osfw3c channel?
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tantek
I just rejoined
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aaronpk
nobody is talking, just transcribing
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aaronpk
i asked a couple things but didn't get a response
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tantek
you can chat stuff there relevant to what's happening realtime
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aaronpk
yea it was relevant
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tantek
it's typical for w3c meetings to have minutes in the channel for the meeting
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aaronpk
ok, not sure if I was supposed to leave the channel clear for the minutes or if it's ok to talk
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tantek
yeah it's ok
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@katmandelstein
Having fun checking out 2plus, an #iPhone #mobile #social app that @MonicaSLam shared with us in her presentation. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bG9tCP9fuS)
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@lehawes
Officers from Open Social Foundation now talking about the group's historic efforts and future goals at #osfw3c. (twtr.io/bG9wATxS6w)
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tantek
benwerd: back in https://etherpad.mozilla.org/osfw3c
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@lehawes
Good to hear enterprise use cases for activity streams and embedded experiences being presented by OSF reps from Jive and IBM at #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGANgYPFC0)
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@gfxman
Day two off to an interesting start. Always nice to see a demo or two. Makes things a lot more real! #osfw3c #socbiz #socialbiz (twtr.io/bGAX2jq6rj)
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Loqi
[@billchristian] #osfw3c future of open social: <app&gt
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Loqi
(http://twtr.io/bGAbHDh0f_)
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@katmandelstein
Day 2 of #osfw3c talking #mobile social and historic efforts of #opensocial so far (@ Tank 18 w/ @lehawes @gfxman) https://foursquare.com/katmandelstein/checkin/5203cb2e498e7a59f487dcee?s=ZPLFiznz-ZzQ1sCdpUodJfmZDH4&ref=tw (twtr.io/bGAbWN4Y4G)
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@lehawes
OSF vision is an app environment that depends on social capabilities embedded in the web browser. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGAcCPWgZs)
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@billchristian
#osfw3c open social moves to embracing html5 technologies (twtr.io/bGAgxBjRJw)
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@katmandelstein
RT @lehawes: OSF vision is an app environment that depends on social capabilities embedded in the web browser. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGAj998CJA)
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@jasnell
RT @billchristian: #osfw3c open social moves to embracing html5 technologies (twtr.io/bGAoiRcrD5)
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benwerd_
The future of X is apps.
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@jasnell
RT @lehawes: OSF vision is an app environment that depends on social capabilities embedded in the web browser. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGAp2EU2Lo)
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@lehawes
@opensocial is hoping that HTML5 will, in the future, include standardized social functionality to be used by all apps. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGAr_XK9nm)
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barnabywalters
I need to stop reading these tweets. they’re slowly eroding any meaning I previously attached to “open”, “social” etc.
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benwerd_
Nice to see an Elgg site!
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@ciberch
@billchristian OpenSocial should start offering a client side "App" library to work out the kinks http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/papers/OSFProposal.pdf #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGAwFEsnRs)
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aaronpk
nice!
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benwerd_
PS in an hour I'm getting up and saying Elgg sucks
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bret
are you going to admit you are the creator of elg?
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benwerd_
#sorrynotsorry
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bret
XD
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mapkyca
@benwerd what's the url on that? (not in the event or looking at the minutes, but kinda curious)
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bret
benwerd_: its working great on IE! I'm so sorry
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benwerd_
mapkyca: It's the MITRE one
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@jasnell
RT @lehawes: @opensocial is hoping that HTML5 will, in the future, include standardized social functionality to be used by all apps. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGB3Mnu5Ht)
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mapkyca
Ahhh... that old chestnut...
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@billchristian
RT @lehawes: OSF vision is an app environment that depends on social capabilities embedded in the web browser. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGB5eXaEuy)
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@benwerd
Fun to see an #Elgg site. More on that in a little bit ... #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGB6DMRM8G)
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@lehawes
MITRE's @blavendar demoing their 'Handshake' social network and goals for how it will be integrated with their systems of record. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGBAfPawij)
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@katmandelstein
Beth Lavender sharing multiple social systems they use at MITRE including Handshake that use gadgets to share data across systems. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGBJ4udt9N)
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bret
sorry, won't accommodate that
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aaronpk
tantek: is inagist.com an aggregator?
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@lehawes
More enterprise use cases being discussed by @AppFusions' @ellenfeaheny at #osfw3c, highlighting packaged IBM, Jive, and Atlassian... (twtr.io/bGBuXNB8J8)
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@lehawes
@AppFusions uses OpenSocial and oAuth standards, among others, in their packaged integrations. Standards enable rapid integration. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGC2EQv46S)
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benwerd
"Tiles are embedded experiences". I'm not sure how I feel about pieces of UI being referred to as an "experience"? Is this common?
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mapkyca
I'm pretty sure that everything is an experience
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@lehawes
I love the work that @AppFusions is doing to bridge different enterprise social offerings to solve real problems for customers. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGCX5EPm3j)
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mapkyca
whether it's a good one...
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aaronpk
benwerd: yea that makes me think of overdesigned crap with no regard to the container it's in
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@veganstraightedge
Last night I wrote a new post: "JSON-LD is an Unneeded Spec" #indieweb http://sbb.me/b4RR1 (twtr.io/bGChBG8mWS)
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barnabywalters
Apparently “tile” is the new word for “rectangular piece of UI”
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@lehawes
Mozilla is working to embed common social tasks in the browser. e.g. share, notification, communication, save-for-later. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGCmWDqVYo)
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benwerd
it's got a ring to it
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benwerd
well, I mean, a rectangle
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barnabywalters
Oblong
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Loqi
[@malexander1219] cool demos from @appfusions integrating into both #IBM &amp
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Loqi
#Jive platforms to solve business problems. #osfw3c #standards matter. (http://twtr.io/bGCqbbAUuQ)
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barnabywalters
I am now officially an oblong designer. I design embedded oblong experiences
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barnabywalters
You can click them and stuff
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@socialmediaclub
Shane Carveo @mixedpuppy from Mozilla isn't a Robot (despite what his shirt says), but he is working on open services for browser #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGCtSPD7Qo)
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@katmandelstein
Shane Carveo @mixedpuppy from Mozilla isn't a Robot (despite what his shirt says), but he is working on open services for browser #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGCyrKHNqf)
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@lehawes
Mozilla's current feature also include viewing an activity stream in a sidebar, social bookmarking and chat windows. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGD1xdvM1s)
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@t
#osfw3c day 2 #OpenSocial talks - all in Powerpoint. Why no Open Social presentation gadget? Y U NO #DOGFOOD? (o.o)// (ttk.me t4RR2) (twtr.io/bGD3TKzaYG)
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Loqi
[@katmandelstein] RT @malexander1219: cool demos from @appfusions integrating into both #IBM &amp
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Loqi
#Jive platforms to solve business problems. #osfw3c (http://twtr.io/bGD4vQcL_8)
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@gabrielsaldana
RT @t: #osfw3c day 2 #OpenSocial talks - all in Powerpoint. Why no Open Social presentation gadget? Y U NO #DOGFOOD? (o.o)// (ttk.me t4RR2) (twtr.io/bGD6jkLYRb)
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@katmandelstein
RT @lehawes: Mozilla's current feature also include viewing an activity stream in a sidebar, social bookmarking and chat windows. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGD7S9EJx4)
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benwerd
I hereby announce Open Oblong
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benwerd
(Oplong?)
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barnabywalters
The open social oblong social experience network format language dot jay ess
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barnabywalters
Oops, I forgot Semantic
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benwerd
I guess I've got to add some more words to http://fatberg.org/
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tantek
benwerd - the other thing you could demo that would rock people's socks is comment CRUD
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benwerd
good call
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aaronpk
i think people like the actual demos
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tantek
I guarantee no one here has gotten even close to thinking about how federated comment CRUD would work
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@eric_meeks
#osfw3c @tantek You can find all my presentations at http://profiles.ucsf.edu/eric.meeks in our Slideshare gadget (twtr.io/bGDfRoJ6rk)
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Loqi
[@dvdsmpsn] RT @malexander1219: cool demos from @appfusions integrating into both #IBM &amp
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Loqi
#Jive platforms to solve business problems. #osfw3c (http://twtr.io/bGDfipZwG0)
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benwerd
I'm going to do half and half slides and demo, but I can definitely zip through that.
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tantek
showing that we've not only figured it out (hey architects!) but you've IMPLEMENTED IT would blow people away
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@benwerd
The Mozilla Social API is very exciting to me. Really a way for sites to add functionality to the browser (if the user wants it). #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGDkEFxMGo)
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barnabywalters
I need to check out the Mozilla social API again. Last time I looked it was uninteresting compared to cross browser extensions
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@billchristian
#osfw3c Couldn’t the Firefox Social API features planned to be offered natively be achieved via extensions today? (twtr.io/bGDptC49jY)
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tantek
OH: "I'm not here as a representative of Google"
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benwerd
barnabywalters: the thing that makes it most interesting to me is the way it installs
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@annbass
Yes @t, BUT, evidence shows, too dang hard to make decent presentations in HTML, etc. Long time prob. Why no great alternatives? #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGDtj8V4mx)
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benwerd
did we just learn that this audience enjoys mime?
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@vassko
Web Components by Dimitri Glazkov (Google) at #osfw3c http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/WD-components-intro-20130606/ (twtr.io/bGDucRzcxL)
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tommorris
One thing to bring up about the astronaut architecture stuff is that it's all very well to come up with some grand protocol, but on the web not everyone can use it
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tommorris
HTTP+HTML is inherently democratic and cross-server-platform
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barnabywalters
Hard to make decent presentations in HTML? wat?
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benwerd
barnabywalters: I'll be presenting HTML slides in a little bit
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tommorris
while something that works in Java but not in PHP (or vice versa) is doomed to failure because people who want to build tools in the other language can
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barnabywalters
benwerd: I have seen them :)
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tommorris
...can't play
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@aaronpk
@annbass @t Check out http://shwr.me - great HTML presentation framework, not too hard to use and... #osfw3c http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/08/08/1/osfw3c (twtr.io/bGE7BU9qWQ)
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benwerd
barnabywalters: I really need to implement buffered posting ;)
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barnabywalters
In fact, I replied to one
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benwerd
well, that's bad news
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benwerd
link?
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barnabywalters
benwerd: http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4RQC_P/
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benwerd
oh, I know why it didn't work
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tommorris
I saw someone earlier on the osfw3c tag talking about MQTT. MQTT is cool... but it isn't HTTP
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benwerd
what an idiot I am.
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@jasnell
RT @vassko: Web Components by Dimitri Glazkov (Google) at #osfw3c http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/WD-components-intro-20130606/ (twtr.io/bGEEJYu5Wf)
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benwerd
good note, too
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benwerd
will fix bug and text ;)
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barnabywalters
:)
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@appfusions
"RT @lehawes: More enterprise use cases being discussed by @AppFusions' @ellenfeaheny at #osfw3c, highlighting packagd IBM, Jive, Atlassian" (twtr.io/bGEG6u4Q6S)
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@lehawes
Starting a highly-anticipated presentation on Web Components from a Google employee at #osfw3c. May be key to embedding social in HTML. (twtr.io/bGEHMpfpqw)
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tommorris
IBM, Atlassian "enterprise use cases"? RUN AWAY
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@appfusions
RT @lehawes: Starting a highly-anticipated presentation on Web Components from a Google employee at #osfw3c. May be key to embedding social… (twtr.io/bGEJi3Hg2w)
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@t
And now at #osfw3c: * @mixedpuppy (Mozilla) overview of Social API. * @dglazkov (Google) overview of Web Components. (ttk.me t4RR3) (twtr.io/bGEJmH94ML)
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bret
This sounds kinda cool
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@_pius
Day 2 of W3C Social Standards Workshop #osfw3c (@ Tank 18 w/ @gkellogg) https://foursquare.com/_pius/checkin/5203d4f5498e201870f0e490?s=EvXtkQhloQavyFzWYA12XX1tEmo&ref=tw (twtr.io/bGEMYa7nQo)
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@jasnell
@billchristian Andy S. and I have been working on a model similar to the social api built around web components... #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGEQ0uRxBW)
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barnabywalters
benwerd: IRT earlier mozapi note — yes, simple installation is a huge plus and (after browser inconsistencies) the biggest thing plaguing browser extensions right now
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Loqi
[@dvdsmpsn] “@lehawes: More enterprise use cases being discussed by @AppFusions' @ellenfeaheny at #osfw3c, highlighting packaged IBM, Jive &amp
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Loqi
Atlassian” (http://twtr.io/bGESaeB0G0)
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mixedpuppy
tommorris: interestingly, facebook uses mqtt for their chat system and presence
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@appfusions
"RT @eric_meeks: #osfw3c @tantek You can find all my presentations at http://profiles.ucsf.edu/eric.meeks in our Slideshare gadget" (twtr.io/bGET9b8Nts)
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@katmandelstein
RT @vassko: Web Components by Dimitri Glazkov (Google) at #osfw3c http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/WD-components-intro-20130606/ (twtr.io/bGEU6xzc69)
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mixedpuppy
or maybe not interestingly
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mixedpuppy
either way
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@webtechman
RT @lehawes: Starting a highly-anticipated presentation on Web Components from a Google employee at #osfw3c. May be key to embedding social… (twtr.io/bGEW90YwbG)
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shaners
i'm just starting my day. did i miss anything good yet?
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Loqi
[@appfusions] !!!!!!!!!! :) &gt
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Loqi
RT @billchristian: #osfw3c future of open social: <app&gt
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Loqi
(http://twtr.io/bGEaFFsMBV)
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@billchristian
RT @lehawes: Starting a highly-anticipated presentation on Web Components from a Google employee at #osfw3c. May be key to embedding social… (twtr.io/bGEjGksEnU)
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@canuckistani
RT @t: And now at #osfw3c: * @mixedpuppy (Mozilla) overview of Social API. * @dglazkov (Google) overview of Web Components. (ttk.me t4RR3) (twtr.io/bGEmritZ9N)
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@lehawes
Google's Web Components allow declaration of custom HTML elements. Only works with Firefox, Opera and Chrome browsers now. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGExwAVaMb)
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@_robroj
@appfusions Thank you for arranging #osfw3c! (twtr.io/bGEyCDcjPY)
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@jasnell
@billchristian likewise, browser-native social apis ought to replace most of the opensocial javascript apis #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGF4X4RZ9L)
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@billchristian
#osfw3c Are OpenSocial and W3C Components intersecting, overlapping, or contradictory? (twtr.io/bGF8WyPq2f)
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aaronpk
https://twitter.com/annbass/status/365526175419871232
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@annbass
@aaronpk @t Sorry, no avg person will create presentations by writing HTML. Plus, not enuf functionality. Non-starter for enterprise. ()
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@lehawes
Google Web Components also enable creation of HTML templates that can be embedded in custom elements for more rapid element creation #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGFFfJ5Voo)
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@evanpro
#osfw3c day 2: standardize harder (@ Tank 18 w/ @aaronpk @t) https://foursquare.com/evanpro/checkin/5203d754498e356274ede036?s=auXpEa9cX-H8CeP53XPd-KYv4Uk&ref=tw (twtr.io/bGFGNVt6Zb)
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@jasnell
@billchristian Currently overlapping and intersecting... eventually hopefully converging... #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGFMEnK1pt)
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@annbass
@_robroj @appfusions +1 with special thanks to @ellenfeaheny who did heavy lifting. Great job! #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGFTLFpWoY)
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benwerd
barnabywalters: I completely changed the URL format for slides. Any chance you'd mind updating your URL and trying again?
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: Hm, looks like annbass is misunderstanding dogfooding a little
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barnabywalters
benwerd: Try sending the mention again?
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benwerd
barnabywalters: I had to change the URL completely, so the link needs to be updated at the source
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benwerd
to, uh
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benwerd
http://werd.io/slides/520335d6bed7de2e1a648b51/view?full#6
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aaronpk
barnabywalters: yea I want to reply to her but it would be very snarky
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bret
aaronpk: about the slides?
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bret
tantek what happened?
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benwerd
aaronpk: I'll make a comment about HTML slides and functionality when I show mine
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barnabywalters
benwerd: I’m getting target not found errors
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benwerd
nice
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benwerd
by which I mean @#$*&(@#$
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benwerd
ok, sorry - will figure out what happened. thanks for updating
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@SeyZ_
RT @eschnou: Interviewed by @deciara of @FastCoLabs about my "PRISM Break" story. Talked about #indieweb, identity, etc.. https://t.co/DlDy… (twtr.io/bGG6uFojij)
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barnabywalters
No problem :) I’m off now, have a good time and hope the demos all go well
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c workshop day 2 (@ Tank 18 w/ @evanpro @t) https://foursquare.com/kevinmarks/checkin/5203d9b3498e9e8e0a4357bf?s=PJvovdHCopDdspmfjtdCiEjinpM&ref=tw (twtr.io/bGGAjkMvV5)
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benwerd
have a good one. thanks for your help!
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tantek
bret - I just got next/prev working with my remote with my permalinks
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tantek
thanks to help from aaronpk
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tantek
quickly discovering how the Shower HTML5/js slide framework does it
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bret
!!!!
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tantek
yeah updating Falcon code < 1hr before preso
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tantek
and demo
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aaronpk
seems safe
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bret
Did that lady who did the iPhone app leave?
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tantek
where's that mem?
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tantek
s/mem/mem
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Loqi
tantek meant to say: where's that mem?
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tantek
LOL
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tantek
s/mem/meme
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aaronpk
don't worry, i'm only editing my nginx server config <1 hr before demo
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aaronpk
AWESOME
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aaronpk
https://twitter.com/_pius/status/365529972418412544
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@_pius
@annbass @aaronpk @t True, the functionality in these Powerpoints so far is mind-blowing ... no way you could duplicate that in HTML. ()
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aaronpk
pius++
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Loqi
pius has 1 karma
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benwerd
barnabywalters: fixed it
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benwerd
thanks again
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aaronpk
hm i am not sure what happens if someone sends a webmention to my actual slide HTML file
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aaronpk
we're up next!
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bret
tantek: http://werd.io/view/5202ee95bed7de0c75188910
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Loqi
[@t] Core IndieWeb Principles: #ownyourdata #selfdogfood #POSSE (#osfw3c #indieweb talk &amp
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Loqi
@Falcon demo) (ttk.me t4RR4) (http://twtr.io/bGJSmHprhw)
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@t
#OwnYourData * #ownyouridentity - domain * "tweeting" 100% from my site since 2010-001 * my content, my #UI #UX (nav) (ttk.me t4RR5) (twtr.io/bGJc0L29RL)
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bret
Shane (from mozilla) are you in here?
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Loqi
[@latrippi] RT @t: Core IndieWeb Principles: #ownyourdata #selfdogfood #POSSE (#osfw3c #indieweb talk &amp
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Loqi
@Falcon demo) (ttk.me t4RR4) (http://twtr.io/bGJetETxWj)
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Loqi
[@t] #POSSE * Publish Own Site Syndicate Elsewhere * Social=people over federation * #ownyourdata &amp
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Loqi
share with friends (ttk.me t4RR7) (http://twtr.io/bGJy2fZXaU)
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Loqi
[@edd] RT @t: #POSSE * Publish Own Site Syndicate Elsewhere * Social=people over federation * #ownyourdata &amp
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Loqi
share with friends (ttk.me t4RR7) (http://twtr.io/bGKM6zRgUZ)
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@ozkanaltuner
RT @t: #OwnYourData * #ownyouridentity - domain * "tweeting" 100% from my site since 2010-001 * my content, my #UI #UX (nav) (ttk.me t4RR5) (twtr.io/bGKRFEhWkN)
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tantek
leaving IRC since I don't know how to turn off Growl in Colloquy and am about to go talk/demo
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tantek
see you all in an hour or maybe less
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neuro`
Good demo
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neuro`
Have fun
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tantek
thank neuro` :) #indiewebcamp got the slides live as I was posting them :)
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@latrippi
RT @t: #OwnYourData * #ownyouridentity - domain * "tweeting" 100% from my site since 2010-001 * my content, my #UI #UX (nav) (ttk.me t4RR5) (twtr.io/bGKZShfKuf)
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Loqi
[@latrippi] RT @t: #POSSE * Publish Own Site Syndicate Elsewhere * Social=people over federation * #ownyourdata &amp
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Loqi
share with friends (ttk.me t4RR7) (http://twtr.io/bGKbvzNEg4)
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Loqi
[@YannPdeM] RT @t: Core IndieWeb Principles: #ownyourdata #selfdogfood #POSSE (#osfw3c #indieweb talk &amp
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Loqi
@Falcon demo) (ttk.me t4RR4) (http://twtr.io/bGKn2oFXGG)
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@YannPdeM
RT @t: #OwnYourData * #ownyouridentity - domain * "tweeting" 100% from my site since 2010-001 * my content, my #UI #UX (nav) (ttk.me t4RR5) (twtr.io/bGKtBMZhKj)
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Loqi
[@YannPdeM] RT @t: #POSSE * Publish Own Site Syndicate Elsewhere * Social=people over federation * #ownyourdata &amp
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Loqi
share with friends (ttk.me t4RR7) (http://twtr.io/bGKwfG_bSg)
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Loqi
[@heathr] RT @t: #POSSE * Publish Own Site Syndicate Elsewhere * Social=people over federation * #ownyourdata &amp
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Loqi
share with friends (ttk.me t4RR7) (http://twtr.io/bGLaouWc54)
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Loqi
[@Arty2] RT @t: #POSSE * Publish Own Site Syndicate Elsewhere * Social=people over federation * #ownyourdata &amp
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Loqi
share with friends (ttk.me t4RR7) (http://twtr.io/bGLdsNbyEQ)
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@benwerd
Tantek presents #indieweb to #osfw3c https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/365542818783035392/photo/1 (twtr.io/bGLrDYGGVs)
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@kevinmarks
#iosfw3c @t: all my slides are in HTML, and posted on my site http://tantek.com/2013/220/t4/indieweb-principles-ownyourdata-selfdogfood-posse (twtr.io/bGLrUEpRBV)
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Loqi
[@vassko] RT @t: Core IndieWeb Principles: #ownyourdata #selfdogfood #POSSE (#osfw3c #indieweb talk &amp
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Loqi
@Falcon demo) (ttk.me t4RR4) (http://twtr.io/bGLuL_cSy8)
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@kevinmarks
#iosfw3c @t: Sef-dogfooding is a key #indieweb principle - build on your own API, on your own domain. Use your own code on your own site (twtr.io/bGM1nsLeb_)
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@lehawes
Love that @t is walking the talk and using HTML pages instead of a proprietary presentation software for his #osfw3c session. (twtr.io/bGM1saXTMd)
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@fdevillamil
RT @kevinmarks: #iosfw3c @t: all my slides are in HTML, and posted on my site http://tantek.com/2013/220/t4/indieweb-principles-ownyourdata-selfdogfood-posse (twtr.io/bGM2i1B0gc)
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@lehawes
@t explaining #POSSE. Publish Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere. Core #indieweb concept practiced most often by bloggers. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGMK84J0bJ)
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@benwerd
Aaron explains #indieauth to #osfw3c https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/365544638892871680/photo/1 (twtr.io/bGMWECqh80)
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@aaronpk
Just logged in to my site using a Pebble! Demo for #osfw3c (http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2013/08/08/2/osfw3c) (twtr.io/bGMhwafm0Y)
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Loqi
[@rawn] #IndieAuth - identity/auth own your own site @aaronpk at #osfw3c #socbiz. #ownyourdata
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Loqi
kinda like #VRM @dsearls https://indieauth.com/ (http://twtr.io/bGMmB2hGp5)
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@rawn
RT @lehawes: Love that @t is walking the talk and using HTML pages instead of a proprietary presentation software for his #osfw3c session. (twtr.io/bGMnwQuMSS)
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@_pius
Badass @aaronpk demo of #IndieAuth using Google Authenticator through his Pebble watch. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGMs74r4bH)
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neuro`
tantek: already done? :)
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tantek
neuro` yes! how did it go?
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@Gkellogg
RT @_pius: Badass @aaronpk demo of #IndieAuth using Google Authenticator through his Pebble watch. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGNBVCEaXC)
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tantek
nicely done aaronpk!
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@billchristian
RT @aaronpk: Just logged in to my site using a Pebble! Demo for #osfw3c (http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2013/08/08/2/osfw3c) (twtr.io/bGNEF6ahrj)
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@benwerd
Bret demos his http://Bret.io #indieweb site #osfw3c https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/365546841049296896/photo/1 (twtr.io/bGNHSCKLEw)
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@lehawes
Interesting demo from @aaronpk on #IndieAuth, a distributed web ID system. More info at https://indieauth.com/ #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGNK1Wwcpt)
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@kevinmarks
#iosfw3c Bret Comnes: I built an indieweb site hosted on github - edit with prose.io which will post to github for you (twtr.io/bGNLfswMBV)
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tantek
kevinmarks, why the "i" in iosfw3c?
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neuro`
From a Twitter point of view, great. I'll probaly reuse your tweets and Kevin Marks live tweting as a support material whe we do an indie web camp Paris / when I do a talk about it
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@kategoodyear
RT @lehawes: Interesting demo from @aaronpk on #IndieAuth, a distributed web ID system. More info at https://indieauth.com/ #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGNRJytQyh)
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@Gkellogg
IndieAuth spec: http://t.co/ZdcAu78F5G. #osfw3c /via @aaronpk @t (twtr.io/bGNS3DzGcL)
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neuro`
I wish I was in SF, from a Twitter POV, the conference looks interesting
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Loqi
[@mastorna] Important thread “@t: Core IndieWeb Principles: #ownyourdata #selfdogfood #POSSE (#osfw3c #indieweb talk &amp
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Loqi
@Falcon demo) (ttk.me t4RR4)” (http://twtr.io/bGNYf9H7ug)
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@kevinmarks
#iosfw3c Bret Comnes: I'm pinging @aaronpk's post to let him know I've commented on it on my site: http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2013/08/08/2/osfw3c (twtr.io/bGNcf5xRyR)
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@webtechman
RT @lehawes: Interesting demo from @aaronpk on #IndieAuth, a distributed web ID system. More info at https://indieauth.com/ #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGNi2Vv61b)
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@webtechman
RT @appfusions: "RT @eric_meeks: #osfw3c @tantek You can find all my presentations at http://profiles.ucsf.edu/eric.meeks in our Slideshare gadget" (twtr.io/bGNt1X9Hs0)
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@benwerd
A pleasure to see Evan explain pump.io. Such a cool system. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGPGN0bJGZ)
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@lehawes
RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c Streams in pump.io are ways to group activities together -eg actviities from one person, set of people, around image (twtr.io/bGPPj8bUWw)
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Loqi
[@t] Thanks #osfw3c! Great #indieweb demos: * @aaronpk #indieauth &amp
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Loqi
#p3k post * Bret.io @Github &amp
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Loqi
Jekyll reply &amp
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Loqi
#webmention (ttk.me t4RR8) (http://twtr.io/bGP_5CCt7E)
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@wseltzer
#osfw3c Great to see "Running Code" for social applications presented live on the Web by @t @aaronpk bret.io and @evanpro (twtr.io/bGP_8DT3pM)
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@benwerd
pump.io #osfw3c https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/365551096766291968/photo/1 (twtr.io/bGPoe5YpzU)
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@jasnell
@billchristian use application/stream+json for 1.0 #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGPrLoS11s)
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shaners
aaronpk tantek bret: what was the reaction to your demos? any Q&A?
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@jasnell
@billchristian use application/activity+json for 2.0. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGPvXDoxfG)
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tantek
shaners Q&A is held til the end of our block
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shaners
tantek: is session still going?
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tantek
yes
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tantek
next up: benwerd!
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shaners
my bad. good luck, team!
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@_pius
Nice quote from @benwerd: "One size never fits all." #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGQ8_YfUaC)
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@lehawes
@benwerd demoing Idno, a social publishing platform. Ben was the co-creator of Elgg, an open source social networking engine. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGQAjuGVSQ)
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Loqi
[@veganstraightedge] RT @t: Core IndieWeb Principles: #ownyourdata #selfdogfood #POSSE (#osfw3c #indieweb talk &amp
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Loqi
@Falcon demo) (ttk.me t4RR4) (http://twtr.io/bGQFQJDMzW)
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@ciberch
Nice job with OSS contributions @evanpro Activity Streams https://github.com/e14n/pump.io/pulse #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGQGYNosks)
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@billchristian
#osfw3c Dangers of building a platform: “Putting the technology cart before the usability horse”. Been there. (twtr.io/bGQLE_c1N9)
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@kevinmarks
#iosfw3c @benwerd: #indieweb is a social network that works like the web - the only real requirement is HTML microformats (twtr.io/bGQTeoP3FD)
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@girl_onthego
The IndieWeb as a minimally viable social web ecosystem http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/papers/MVP.html (twtr.io/bGQYxNga0G)
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@kevinmarks
#iosfw3c @benwerd: #indieweb means you can test federated social workflows or contents on your own infrastructure (twtr.io/bGQZKajcps)
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@veganstraightedge
"The #IndieWeb as a minimally viable social web ecosystem" http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/papers/MVP.html /by @benwerd (twtr.io/bGQiGPy2EU)
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@billchristian
RT @ciberch: Nice job with OSS contributions @evanpro Activity Streams https://github.com/e14n/pump.io/pulse #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGQik9aDd8)
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@jasnell
RT @ciberch: Nice job with OSS contributions @evanpro Activity Streams https://github.com/e14n/pump.io/pulse #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGQmitD6h8)
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Loqi
[@t] #osfw3c @evanpro rocks it as usual with his pump.io talk &amp
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Loqi
demo with #ActivityStreams CRUD support and more. (ttk.me t4RR9) (http://twtr.io/bGQwS5Mj6Q)
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@katmandelstein
RT @_pius: Nice quote from @benwerd: "One size never fits all." #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGQyzA6j3D)
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@benwerd
The crowd at #osfw3c https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/365554467254464512/photo/1 (twtr.io/bGR0t_4jaC)
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@appfusions
RT @wseltzer: #osfw3c Great to see "Running Code" for social applications presented live on the Web by @t @aaronpk bret.io and @evanpro (twtr.io/bGREKC8Dnj)
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@kevinmarks
#iosfw3c Patrick Deegan: Open Mustard Seed is a personal data store that runs in a personal VM on the cloud so it is secure and independent (twtr.io/bGRKqZyi3V)
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@kevinmarks
#iosfw3c Patrick Deegan: users can install applications from a Trusted Application Bundle that specifies what data it wants access to (twtr.io/bGRPxXuf_8)
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@mixedpuppy
I think I have to install #idno by @benwerd, he's working on #firefox #socialapi support, cool! #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGRR4i6CQY)
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aaronpk
added kevinmarks' curious #iosfw3c hashtag to the search so we don't lose it
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@kevinmarks
#iosfw3c Patrick Deegan: users have control over their trusted compute cell, set up by zero-knowledge scripts (twtr.io/bGRTcWNaXD)
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@appfusions
"RT @benwerd: The crowd at #osfw3c http://t.co/0RZrm1guq9" (twtr.io/bGRVNpzHBV)
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@ellenfeaheny
"RT @benwerd: The crowd at #osfw3c http://t.co/nUrL6Q8HMw" (twtr.io/bGRVTrH_DL)
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@benwerd
If you're interested in Idno: http://idno.co Indieweb: http://indiewebcamp.com #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGRYushaj1)
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Loqi
[mention] http://werd.io/view/5203f223bed7dea7195778c2 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (pingback)
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@kevinmarks
#iosfw3c Patrick Deegan: each user's cell had an OPeniD connect server, a data store and lets you set up multiple personas for yourself (twtr.io/bGRZGEcdct)
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Loqi
[@Supermighty] RT @timbray: Wow, there’s a lot happening in the ID space. TIL about Persona/Gmail: http://identity.mozilla.com/post/57712756801/persona-makes-signing-in-easy-for-gmail-users &amp
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Loqi
IndieAuth: http://t.co/Qu2B1b3… (http://twtr.io/bGR_1FfuYY)
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@benwerd
RT @mixedpuppy: I think I have to install #idno by @benwerd, he's working on #firefox #socialapi support, cool! #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGRaggkStt)
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@t
#osfw3c @benwerd's talk&amp;demo uses idno slide posting support written 2 days ago in 1.5 hrs, after he had a root canal! (ttk.me t4RRA) (twtr.io/bGRbqLeDCY)
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@dowens
IndieAuth https://indieauth.com/ (twtr.io/bGRbwMWRmg)
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@kevinmarks
#iosfw3c Patrick Deegan: we have a Functional Access Control Transform model that configures policies on the data being shared (twtr.io/bGRdNd2WKj)
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@lehawes
@kevinmarks Check your event hashtag. You're including a superfluous "i" at the beginning. :&gt;) #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGRj6bruNw)
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@kevinmarks
#iosfw3c Patrick Deegan: Open Mustard Seed is described here: http://idcubed.org/open-platform/platform/ (twtr.io/bGRnrxLoMM)
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@lehawes
RT @benwerd: If you're interested in Idno: http://idno.co Indieweb: http://indiewebcamp.com #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGRoseXmR7)
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@kevinmarks
RT @benwerd: If you're interested in Idno: http://idno.co Indieweb: http://indiewebcamp.com #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGRuY2c34Y)
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@t
#osfw3c @benwerd idno.co will support @Mozilla Social API to easily post federated replies like http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2013/08/08/2/osfw3c (ttk.me t4RRB) (twtr.io/bGRufPbBXC)
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Loqi
[@IBBoard] RT @timbray: Wow, there’s a lot happening in the ID space. TIL about Persona/Gmail: http://identity.mozilla.com/post/57712756801/persona-makes-signing-in-easy-for-gmail-users &amp
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Loqi
IndieAuth: http://t.co/Qu2B1b3… (http://twtr.io/bGS3JkXvej)
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@rikkles
RT @kevinmarks: #iosfw3c @t: Owning your own data means owning your own domain. I've been 'tweeting' from my own site since Jan 2010 (twtr.io/bGSFRnughQ)
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@eric_meeks
I sense a drift between enterprise needs and consumer needs with next generation social standards that should be fun to hack out #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGSWiQwtc4)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c @aaronpl and @t are favoriting all my mis-hashtagged #iosfw3c tweets - wondering if they're using their #indieweb tools (twtr.io/bGScf6gPLY)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c Q: @evanpro: what happened to OStatus? @t: we're all standing on the shoulders of giants based for all these sites (twtr.io/bGSiiz4dpc)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c @t: rel-me Auth and #indieauth were a replacement for using OpenID, as it was too big and complex (twtr.io/bGSnVVG7bY)
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@vassko
RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c Q: @evanpro: what happened to OStatus? @t: we're all standing on the shoulders of giants based for all these sites (twtr.io/bGSpBL8C5M)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c @t: Activity Streams are great ideas, but it was too big, so we're using the minimum subset (twtr.io/bGSrFv7Nx4)
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@_pius
New standard for standards from @t: "Can we write the code for it in an hour and a half after a root canal?" #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGStormwvU)
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@nchenga
RT @kevinmarks: #iosfw3c @t: POSSE means that even if your friends are in gilded silos, you can still keep in touch. My slides: https://t.c… (twtr.io/bGSuqYD92w)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c @evanpro: OStatus is a suite of protocols for distributed social networking: Atom Activity streams, PubSubHubbub, Salmon, Webfinger (twtr.io/bGT0La5jY0)
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@lehawes
#osfw3c #indieweb panel talking about viability of oStatus to them. Sounds like to much complexity for their preference for simplicity. (twtr.io/bGT4brwcBU)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c @evanpro: the OStatus protocol was published in 2010, there's a w3c community group, implemented by several systems, No client API (twtr.io/bGT4iCrirU)
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neuro`
tantek: I was wondering: how do you manage Twitter "in reply to" within falcon?
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@vassko
#osfw3c open social #w3c at work @ Tank 18 http://instagram.com/p/cw7amUr_G5/ (twtr.io/bGT8dvg_4p)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c @evanpro: OStatus doesn't have distribution control - it is a public-only model, doesn't fit business networks etc (twtr.io/bGT8hPTx9M)
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@lehawes
Lack of client API and publisher distribution controls are specific obstacles to #indieweb adoption, per @evanpro. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGT9jnGF8p)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c @t: A lot of us have implemnted PubSubHubbub, but we're not sure who's using it. WebMention replaces Salmon PuSH much more simply (twtr.io/bGTEZeXBRs)
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Loqi
[@serialseb] RT @timbray: Wow, there’s a lot happening in the ID space. TIL about Persona/Gmail: http://identity.mozilla.com/post/57712756801/persona-makes-signing-in-easy-for-gmail-users &amp
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Loqi
IndieAuth: http://t.co/Qu2B1b3… (http://twtr.io/bGTKZSoJcs)
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aaronpk
for thoroughness i'm going to hopefully pull all of kevinmarks' previous #iosfw3c tweets into here
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@kevinmarks
@lehawes @evanpro that wasn't abut #indieweb, but about OStatus, which is the previous protocol stack #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGTMtfKyw0)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c The webmention protocol used to cross federate comments by @t @aaronpk @benwerd et al is documented at http://webmention.org/ (twtr.io/bGThDswkN8)
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Loqi
[@PhilippeAntoine] RT @t: #POSSE * Publish Own Site Syndicate Elsewhere * Social=people over federation * #ownyourdata &amp
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Loqi
share with friends (ttk.me t4RR7) (http://twtr.io/bGTiW2zNoY)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c Q: can we make #indieweb work in a big company? - lunch discussion (twtr.io/bGTo4SGpd9)
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@benwerd
RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c The webmention protocol used to cross federate comments by @t @aaronpk @benwerd et al is documented at http://t.co/… (twtr.io/bGTtNtzLKD)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c @evanpro: Why can't we federate social across enterprises? must we fall back to email? (twtr.io/bGU15SHyBC)
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@benwerd
RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c @evanpro: Why can't we federate social across enterprises? must we fall back to email? (twtr.io/bGU6vUEWQ2)
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@lehawes
@kevinmarks @evanpro Thanks, Kevin. That's what I meant, but didn't word my tweet correctly. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGU9p9vJYY)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c @t: getting on the #indieweb how to- lunch session (twtr.io/bGUG3dtv7j)
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@lehawes
RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c webmention protocol used to cross federate comments by @t @aaronpk @benwerd is documented at http://webmention.org/ (twtr.io/bGUGYK105L)
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@vassko
Open discussions at Open Social later today #osfw3c #w3c https://twitter.com/vassko/status/365564099448430592/photo/1 (twtr.io/bGUTLdvKbY)
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Loqi
[@nyrosmith] RT @timbray: Wow, there’s a lot happening in the ID space. TIL about Persona/Gmail: http://identity.mozilla.com/post/57712756801/persona-makes-signing-in-easy-for-gmail-users &amp
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Loqi
IndieAuth: http://t.co/Qu2B1b3… (http://twtr.io/bGUV1fGNkL)
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@_pius
Put #indieweb into MBA terms and call it a low-end disruption of current standards. Enterprise IT will race to adopt it. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGUVWEtMGp)
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aaronpk
pius++
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Loqi
pius has 2 karma
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barnabywalters
lol
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barnabywalters
does anyone here use cucumber/similar for testing?
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pius
barnabywalters: used to
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Loqi
[@fohlin] RT @t: Core IndieWeb Principles: #ownyourdata #selfdogfood #POSSE (#osfw3c #indieweb talk &amp
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Loqi
@Falcon demo) (ttk.me t4RR4) (http://twtr.io/bGUdErudHb)
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@fohlin
RT @t: #OwnYourData * #ownyouridentity - domain * "tweeting" 100% from my site since 2010-001 * my content, my #UI #UX (nav) (ttk.me t4RR5) (twtr.io/bGUdN9Tp2w)
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@lehawes
Getting down to business now at #osfw3c. Working lunch group discussions of specific areas to consider for possible standardization. (twtr.io/bGUdYX9wG0)
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Loqi
[@fohlin] RT @t: #POSSE * Publish Own Site Syndicate Elsewhere * Social=people over federation * #ownyourdata &amp
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Loqi
share with friends (ttk.me t4RR7) (http://twtr.io/bGUdkHCX8p)
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neuro`
barnabywalters: using rspec
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barnabywalters
I’m interested in why we only use natural language + solvers for testing as opposed to writing applications too
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barnabywalters
e.g. something like this https://gist.github.com/barnabywalters/6188240
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neuro`
It looks like what we're doing with Publify.
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barnabywalters
neuro`: really? cool — do you have a link to some example code?
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barnabywalters
where should I look in the GH repo
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neuro`
barnabywalters: if I understood what you were looking for, probably something like this https://github.com/fdv/publify/blob/master/spec/controllers/accounts_controller_spec.rb
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neuro`
If I didn't, I'm sorry, my English is not 100% perfect
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neuro`
And some other controller specs that also test the views
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@webtechman
RT @_pius: Put #indieweb into MBA terms and call it a low-end disruption of current standards. Enterprise IT will race to adopt it. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGWdniCdy8)
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shaners
barnabywalters: I've thought about this idea of writing apps in "natural language" before. But never really went anywhere with it.
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shaners
barnabywalters: https://gist.github.com/veganstraightedge/6188411
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barnabywalters
neuro`: so that’s a test file, right? I’m talking about defining the actual business logic with that sort of format
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barnabywalters
shaners: reading
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shaners
barnabywalters: not exactly the same as your example. but similar in spirit.
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neuro`
barnabywalters: oh, that. Sorry.
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barnabywalters
shaners: interesting!
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barnabywalters
neuro`: no problem :)
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shaners
but like it says, just an idea sketch.
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shaners
it came to me on a plane ride home from a work trip where i had read this oral history of Xerox PARC
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barnabywalters
shaners: recently I’m becoming more and more disenchanted with programming == dumping tens of thousands of lines of weirdly formatted text in files
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shaners
http://www.amazon.com/Dealers-Lightning-Xerox-PARC-Computer/dp/0887309895
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barnabywalters
I have tonnes of ideas for visual programming environments, and how they can make debugging, testing, exploring real world applications so much better
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barnabywalters
but I don’t have any idea how to make anything like that :)
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aaronpk
barnabywalters: you should check out Max/MSP
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barnabywalters
so I’m trying to come up with temporary alternatives
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aaronpk
it's basically a visual programming environment, but is designed for music
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: I’ve played around with puredata a little bit, it’s something I need to check out some more
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aaronpk
yea PD is basically the same
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barnabywalters
but open source :)
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shaners
barnabywalters: i'm sorry to hear that. bc for the foreseeable future, that's the reality.
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aaronpk
made by the same dude IIRC
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barnabywalters
huh I didn’t know it was the same author!
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shaners
barnabywalters: do you use ruby?
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barnabywalters
shaners: no, mainly python at the moment
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barnabywalters
at work at least, and a lot of PHP for personal stuff
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aaronpk
barnabywalters: yep! Miller Puckette
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shaners
ok. maybe python has something like this, but Tree Top is basically a DSL for writing DSLs
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shaners
http://treetop.rubyforge.org
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shaners
there's also kpeg for writing a grammar. https://github.com/evanphx/kpeg
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shaners
me and @evanphx used it to implement my templating language: Dang
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shaners
https://github.com/veganstraightedge/dang/
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barnabywalters
woah, this is interesting: http://www.chmod777self.com/2013/08/now-that-you-mention-it.html
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barnabywalters
HTTP LINK method for webmentions
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barnabywalters
shaners: just checking out treetop
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shaners
barnabywalters. so. python prolly has similar tools. but maybe you could write a thin dsl on top of whatever web framework you use to do that more Sinatra-like natural language programming
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barnabywalters
shaners: yeah initially I’m thinking of basically copying cucumber’s way of doing things
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shaners
you know about Sinatra, right?
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barnabywalters
shaners: yep
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shaners
good
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barnabywalters
we use flask a bit a work, which is a python equivalent
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shaners
your example is really two different changes: 1. natural language-y programming (like cucumber) and 2. mixing routes and code in the same place (like Sinatra)
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Loqi
[@tabatkins] RT @t: #POSSE * Publish Own Site Syndicate Elsewhere * Social=people over federation * #ownyourdata &amp
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Loqi
share with friends (ttk.me t4RR7) (http://twtr.io/bGY0Ph65N8)
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shaners
still. i think it's a clever idea.
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barnabywalters
shaners: I’ll try putting together a minimal implementation of it this weekend
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shaners
boom!
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barnabywalters
I also need to write up a load of the visual programming/debugging/abstration/visualisation ideas in case someone else can actually make them
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@kevinmarks
RT @_pius: Put #indieweb into MBA terms and call it a low-end disruption of current standards. Enterprise IT will race to adopt it. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGZCx1jA5s)
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Loqi
[@ckeithray] RT @timbray: Wow, there’s a lot happening in the ID space. TIL about Persona/Gmail: http://identity.mozilla.com/post/57712756801/persona-makes-signing-in-easy-for-gmail-users &amp
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Loqi
IndieAuth: http://t.co/Qu2B1b3… (http://twtr.io/bGZJnN7T_R)
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donpdonp
whats a good persona-enabled site to try this with?
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barnabywalters
donpdonp: any openphoto site allows login via persona, e.g. http://photos.waterpigs.co.uk/
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donpdonp
barnabywalters: thx
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donpdonp
barnabywalters: speaking of self-hosted photos have you tried mediagoblin?
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barnabywalters
donpdonp: nope, I haven’t. I don’t use openphoto much any more, it’s only really still there to keep a few hundred links alive
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donpdonp
okay
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barnabywalters
it’s pretty cool that mediagoblin supports video though
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: did you PESOS some videos from vine at some point?
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barnabywalters
as in, the files are actually stored on your server?
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tantek.com
created /User:WaterPigs.co.uk (+79) "stub with an h-card" (view diff)
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barnabywalters
tantek: huh? that didn’t exist already?
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@JohnFontana
IndieAuth: Log-in using your domain name. Implementation of RelMeAuth, which links to #OAuth profiles https://indieauth.com/ (twtr.io/bG_Nu5MCEw)
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tantek
!tell barnabywalters we need a page on your "Own Your Comments" extension on the indiewebcamp wiki that explains how it works with the <action> tag
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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barnabywalters
okay now I’m confused
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Loqi
barnabywalters: tantek left you a message 16 seconds ago: we need a page on your "Own Your Comments" extension on the indiewebcamp wiki that explains how it works with the <action> tag
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barnabywalters
I wrote a load of stuff on that page. where’d it go?
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tantek
sorry - case-sensitive thing
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tantek.com
edited /User:WaterPigs.co.uk (-45) "r" (view diff)
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tantek
ok, fixed :)
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barnabywalters
tantek: the own your comments extension is a bit dead — webactions (esp. inline webactions) has pretty muche replaced it
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barnabywalters
tantek: phew!
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barnabywalters
thanks :)
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tantek
but what browser extension supports webactions?
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tantek
I can't find it anywhere on the webactions page or your page http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Waterpigs.co.uk
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barnabywalters
https://github.com/barnabywalters/web-action-hero-toolbelt
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@scaganoff
RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c @t: A lot of us have implemnted PubSubHubbub, but we're not sure who's using it. WebMention replaces Salmon PuSH m… (twtr.io/bG_ZxeXXuf)
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barnabywalters
huh, I should probably have mentioned it on the webactions page
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waterpigs.co.uk
edited /webactions (+217) "/* web actions */ added stub implementations section" (view diff)
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@dvdsmpsn
@ellenfeaheny No problem. Hope all is well. Looks like a great venue. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGa53qHKWB)
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pius.me
edited /IRC_People (+55) (view diff)
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pius.me
edited /IRC_People (-6) (view diff)
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tantek.com
edited /webactions (+308) "add Web Action Browser Support section, Web Action Hero Toolbelt example, move implementations section here" (view diff)
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tantek
drat
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tantek
wanted to ask him where the endpoints are defined and how
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tantek
!tell barnabywalters how does an indiewebsite define its own web action end points for the Web Action Hero Toolbelt extension to call through to?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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@webtechman
Great Social Enterprise software is components that can be arranged like musical notes to the melody of current work flows #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGbezttd82)
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@gfxman
RT @vassko: Open discussions at Open Social later today #osfw3c #w3c https://twitter.com/vassko/status/365564099448430592/photo/1 (twtr.io/bGbimmbgAQ)
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Loqi
barnabywalters: tantek left you a message 9 minutes ago: how does an indiewebsite define its own web action end points for the Web Action Hero Toolbelt extension to call through to?
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tantek
hey barnabywalters
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barnabywalters
Greetings
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tantek
is web-action-hero-toolbelt using an extension framework?
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barnabywalters
Yep, the kango framework
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tantek
trying to figure out how to connect it to existing Mozilla Social API support
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barnabywalters
Which allows it to work in several browsers
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tantek
rather than having to configure the endpoint URLs in web-action-hero-toolbelt manually
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tantek
right
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barnabywalters
How does the moz social API do discovery?
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tantek
Firefox 23 (shipped this week) supports Social API
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barnabywalters
It might be fairly simple to hook it up
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barnabywalters
oh great — last time I had to do loads of weird FF config stuff to get it working
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tantek
that would be great
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barnabywalters
Another project would be to use kango to shim the entire social API so any browser can support it
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tantek
barnabywalters - mixedpuppy (Shane Caraveo) is your man
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tantek
sure!
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barnabywalters
waves to mixedpuppy
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tantek
:)
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mixedpuppy
hi!
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mixedpuppy
:)
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barnabywalters
hi! Currently reading through the social api docs
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mixedpuppy
barnabywalters: this is what the action tag could call (fx23+)
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mixedpuppy
https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/components/social/MozSocialAPI.jsm#167
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bret
barnabywalters: you are going to get a present from mozilla :)
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mixedpuppy
barnabywalters: you wont see the internal apis documented on mdn
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barnabywalters
bret: ??
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bret
action tag support!
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bret
(for your reply buttons)
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barnabywalters
Woah cool!
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mixedpuppy
well, actually, the data for mozSocial.share is good, but from an addon, you'd call SocialShare.sharePage
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pius
I also think a good approach to take with the shim would be to just use Javascript (no browser extension). Paul Irish did that to great success with http://code.google.com/p/html5shim/
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barnabywalters
mixedpuppy: So what is the best place to learn about the APIs?
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mixedpuppy
barnabywalters: me
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mixedpuppy
barnabywalters: or the firefox repository
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pius
(et al)
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mixedpuppy
barnabywalters: https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/base/content/browser-social.js
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mixedpuppy
that would be the apis that an extension could call
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barnabywalters_
mixedpuppy: reading
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mixedpuppy
though I warn you, we're refactoring for fx26
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barnabywalters_
this looks somewhat complex
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mixedpuppy
barnabywatlers_: all you need to actually do is what I pointed you to earlier….call SocialShare.sharePage(undefined, dataObj) and firefox will provide the share ui
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mixedpuppy
dataObj is the same as documented on MDN for mozSocial.share
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mixedpuppy
so all the addon needs to do is handle the action tag itself, and call SocialShare.sharePage when the user clicks on the action tag
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tantek
so it sounds like the social api has a notion of a "post" verb
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tantek
called "share"
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barnabywalters_
okay, and FF handles registration of services? I have FF 26, what do I need to do to turn the social API on?
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barnabywalters_
social.enabled in about:config?
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mixedpuppy
no, dont do prefs
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mixedpuppy
hold on
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mixedpuppy
barnabywalters_: there is a short list of providers on https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Social_API
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tantek
barnabywalters - this is what I was looking for: http://indiewebcamp.com/Web_Action_URL_APIs
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barnabywalters
tantek: ah, yep — that’s where I’ve been documenting services which can be used with webactions
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mixedpuppy
barnabywalters: basically, go to one of those sites, and activate from there
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@louleporace
Thanks to @ellenfeaheny and @appfsions for hosting the W3C open social forum in San Francisco. The groups are off to a great start. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGdgeExiFC)
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barnabywalters
okay, working with fb, I think…
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barnabywalters
I had to turn it off and on again for it to log me in, but it’s working now
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mixedpuppy
barnabywalters: is there an installable version of your addon somewhere?
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barnabywalters
mixedpuppy: at the moment they’re just in the git repo here: https://github.com/barnabywalters/web-action-hero-toolbelt/tree/master/output
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mixedpuppy
barnabywalters: fb introduced a bug into their sidebar the other day, so some things might not work entirely (but share should)
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Loqi
[@_nat] RT @timbray: Wow, there’s a lot happening in the ID space. TIL about Persona/Gmail: http://identity.mozilla.com/post/57712756801/persona-makes-signing-in-easy-for-gmail-users &amp
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Loqi
IndieAuth: http://t.co/Qu2B1b3… (http://twtr.io/bGe6UN39_x)
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barnabywalters
I haven’t set up a proper deployment and auto-update workflow for them yet
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barnabywalters
oh yep, I’ve got the share dialog opening correctly
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barnabywalters
so fb are detecting that they’re in a socialapi popover and displaying different content?
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@eric_meeks
let's not let cool be the enemy of practical now that it's time to do some real work 'at'Voltaire #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGeHKVGWw1)
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mixedpuppy
barnabywalters: no, it's basicaly a url template that we load
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tantek.com
edited /Web_Action_URL_APIs (+101) "headings for silos, open source" (view diff)
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barnabywalters
I did make a big iframe+postMessage way of doing this with inline webactions and responsive UIs
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tantek.com
edited /webactions (+384) "add Website Action URL Support section with link to main Web Action URL APIs page and IndieWeb Support" (view diff)
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barnabywalters
it’s a little too complex for my liking but it works
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barnabywalters
(my implementation, that is)
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barnabywalters
the part of web action toolbelt I use more than any other is the select-to-quote UI
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tantek.com
edited /webactions (+27) "/* Action tag examples in the wild */ make the URLs that have action markup more clear" (view diff)
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tantek.com
edited /Web_Action_URL_APIs (+14) "/* IndieWeb Support */ aaron" (view diff)
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mixedpuppy
barnabywalters: the addon preferences are not working in firefox
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mixedpuppy
hmm, it works from the toolbarbutton, but not from about:addons
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barnabywalters
this is how far I got with inline webaction dialog boxes, on indienews: http://waterpigs.co.uk/img/inline-webaction-demo.gif
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barnabywalters
just adding that example to /webactions
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barnabywalters
(side note: imageoptim is *amazing* with gifs. That was 1.4MB, cut down by > 90% with minimal loss of quality)
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mixedpuppy
listening to some of the summaries of the various groups
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@BarnabyWalters
Taking distributed #indieweb actions on your own site, in context? Yes, webaction toolbelt does that: (http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4RRNLz/) (twtr.io/bGfk_ehkkc)
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aaronpk
barnabywalters: that's awesome
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: thanks :) just doing another of the select-to-quote bit
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barnabywalters
fortunately there’s plenty of excellent material from the past two days to quote!
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aaronpk
whoa awesome
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@Gkellogg
ActivityStreams 2.0 could use JSON-LD with own mime type having default @context specified in spec #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGg9yTLKV4)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c @t: the next hard UX problem #indieweb has is that we have to copy and pasting of URLs instead of having a reply button. (twtr.io/bGgNXta5PD)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c @t: there is a browser extension that could be a web-wide #indieweb reply button: https://github.com/barnabywalters/web-action-hero-toolbelt (twtr.io/bGgPV0Z6qf)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c @ciberch: common use cases we're struggling with are states of activities - eg have they been read (twtr.io/bGgQ9Hmjq9)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c @ciberch: Activity Streams have a syntax for people that liked and event, but not 'have I liked it?' and actions for this. (twtr.io/bGgQrzz_y8)
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aaronpk
tantek: oh this is what jasnell was talking about with the LINK action http://www.chmod777self.com/2013/08/now-that-you-mention-it.html
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c @ciberch: why do we need JSON-LD for Activity Streams? Helps consumers who like JSON-LD, doesn't make it more complex (twtr.io/bGgRozqNHc)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c "there are many existing ontologies for structuring profiles, we need to be able to sync and connect them across systems" (twtr.io/bGgTHvv_bo)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c "Look at existing standards, core sets of profile attributes, see if there are enough" (twtr.io/bGgUGPo7Aw)
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tantek
aaronpk - does it make sense to you? as someone who's implemented webmention
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@ciberch
RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c @ciberch: why do we need JSON-LD for Activity Streams? Helps consumers who like JSON-LD, doesn't make it more compl… (twtr.io/bGgZdbkZDc)
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aaronpk
it's true that it's simpler because it doesn't require discovery. that part I like. you just send the "mention" (or LINK) directly to the URL
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tantek
so that is fewer steps?
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tantek
one less step?
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barnabywalters
would that make it harder to implement for people running static sites?
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aaronpk
one less step, you don't need to find the webmention endpoint
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aaronpk
yes, so the problem is it's way less likely to actually get adoption
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tantek
but what about folks that might use a webmention proxy?
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tantek
like for sending pingbacks?
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barnabywalters
removing discovery would be great, it’d be a pity to lose support for static content though
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tantek
er, receiving webmentions and passing the through as pingbacks
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aaronpk
right, the discovery adds a layer of indirection which is nice because it lets us separate out the server that handles the webmention
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aaronpk
so yes, discovery is an extra step, but at the same time it provides a lot of benefits
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tantek
is it possible to capture this on the indiewebcamp.com/webmention wiki page as an alternative with contrasts? just copy/pasting from what you just said?
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@jasnell
RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c @ciberch: why do we need JSON-LD for Activity Streams? Helps consumers who like JSON-LD, doesn't make it more compl… (twtr.io/bGginVb2qf)
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aaronpk
yep
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aaronpk
under issues or faq?
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tantek
maybe a new section? == Alternatives ==
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@lehawes
RT @kevinmarks #osfw3c "there are many existing ontologies for structuring profiles, we need to be able to sync/connect them across systems" (twtr.io/bGgtHF7EzC)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c @harryhalpin: we have 4 things to consider: Activity Streams 2.0, Profile Interop, Opensocial.next() and [er, I forgot what he said] (twtr.io/bGgtx59hUG)
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@lehawes
RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c "Look at existing standards, core sets of profile attributes, see if there are enough" (twtr.io/bGguFBb7YH)
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tantek
is done
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c @harryhalpin: there were concerns raised yesterday about http://schema.org licensing - guha is here. (twtr.io/bGgyuMJcWf)
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@lehawes
@kevinmarks 4). Property Graphs #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGh0z1U_GZ)
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@eric_meeks
@kevinmarks I believe/hope that JSON-LD would allow activity streams content to be more flexible, as the data is self described #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGh1pqkcd8)
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@BarnabyWalters
The webaction toolbelt can also do select-to-quote: Previously: Quoting UI #indieweb #webactions (http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4RRNfk/) (twtr.io/bGhYC7TmLo)
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@vassko
ibm, @jivesoftware, tibco oh my working together #osfw3c #w3c http://instagram.com/p/cxOzASr_HN/ (twtr.io/bGh_bjk8Bj)
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@vassko
@ibm, @jivesoftware, @tibco oh my working together #osfw3c #w3c http://instagram.com/p/cxOzASr_HN/ (twtr.io/bGhoNbkthR)
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@Sociability
★ There is a browser extension that could be a web-wide #indieweb reply button: https://github.com/barnabywalters/web-action-hero-toolbelt (via @kevinmarks) (twtr.io/bGhw8xEMnk)
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waterpigs.co.uk
edited /webactions (+293) "/* Action tag examples in the wild */ added indienews w/ inline action + demo link" (view diff)
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barnabywalters
goodnight all
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Loqi
don't let the bed bugs bite
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tantek
indieweb folks - I have to leave by 16:15
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benwerd
Odds of me leaving a Ben-sized hole in the wall and going to go see Pacific Rim or something: increasing as the hour goes on
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tantek
not Elysium?
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benwerd
oh, is that out?
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tantek
soon?
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tantek
maybe tomorrow?
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benwerd
I think maybe tomorrow
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benwerd
I definitely want to see it.
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benwerd
(Going to see Godzilla at the Paramount in Oakland tomorrow though.)
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bret
I saw pac rim already, but I might be down to see a movie
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@gfxman
RT @vassko: @ibm, @jivesoftware, @tibco oh my working together #osfw3c #w3c http://instagram.com/p/cxOzASr_HN/ (twtr.io/bGk13d58ks)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c @harryhalpin: Activity Streams are in the IETF @ciberch: no, it's in OWF 2.0 may go to IETF (twtr.io/bGk2Cvp7V4)
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bret
tantek: you in on any of these groups? Will IW is an already existing group. can the w3c endorse that
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bret
?
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@socialmediaclub
Like...alot! RT @vassko: @IBM, @JiveSoftware, @TIBCO oh my working together #osfw3c #w3c http://instagram.com/p/cxOzASr_HN/ #socialbiz (twtr.io/bGk4iMepps)
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tantek
bret it seem like a lot of the groups being proposed are enterprise specific
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tantek
I think the best we can do is help make indieweb as awesome an re-usable as possible
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@katmandelstein
Like...alot! RT @vassko: @IBM, @JiveSoftware, @TIBCO oh my working together #osfw3c #w3c http://instagram.com/p/cxOzASr_HN/ #socialbiz (twtr.io/bGkA_7HhkM)
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benwerd
^ this
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benwerd
er, not Jive and IBM working together.
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benwerd
but making excellent things.
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benwerd
Documentation, multiple off-the-shelf-ish projects, libraries.
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bret
I'm still baffled how IBM got wrapped up with second life
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bret
I wonder if they still do that
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bret
(second life meetings0
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bret
)
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benwerd
Oh god I did that when I worked in education
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bret
XD
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benwerd
awful
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benwerd
on the other hand, literally the only corporate meeting type likely to be interrupted by projectile phalluses
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aaronpk
i like how everybody assums they will talk loudly enough and that they are somehow special and don't need a mic
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benwerd
I'm zoned out enough that there is no mic loud enough right now. Pretty wiped.
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shaners
wycats_: I'm always seeing you in the room, but never be talking. you too, @brixen.
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bret
im spechow
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bret
:p
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bret
tantek: you here?
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tantek
yeah - in the back, fading :/
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bret
wake up!
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tantek
hoping that KevinMarks can help it
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bret
Someone tweet that guy make sure he's awake
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aaronpk
for the record, google would like as many people as possible to both produce and consume the data
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aaronpk
schema.org data*
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c Guha: I heard there is a problem with licensing http://schema.org - we want people to consume as well as produce it (twtr.io/bGkoYcL3Qo)
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aaronpk
whether you are able to consume the data is between you and that site
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aaronpk
for example, you are some site and you want to consume yelp.com's schema.org data
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aaronpk
that is between you and yelp
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bret
(aaronpk is summarizing what is being said)
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tantek
huh - none of that has anything to do with the patent licensing problem on schema-org's TOS
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tantek
this is completely missing the point and I lack the energy to argue that
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bret
Should we read it to him?
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tantek
I'm hoping KevinMarks will
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@benwerd
"The licensing terms of http://schema.org encourages everyone to produce and consume data." Wording doesn't suggest that? #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGkvE9z7XC)
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tantek
benwerd - exactly
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aaronpk
benwerd: you're closest to the extra mic
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tantek
the words on the TOS don't agree with what he's saying
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bret
here we go
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aaronpk
kevinmarks is on it
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tantek
so they need to update it - we can't just take Guha's word for it
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aaronpk
"i'm sorry, that license was written by lawyers to allow this to happen"
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tantek
then use a standard license
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aaronpk
so the resolution is he will go add info to the FAQ to explicitly describe what he is talking about here
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@billchristian
RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c Guha: I heard there is a problem with licensing http://schema.org - we want people to consume as well as produ… (twtr.io/bGmFRJ_3aU)
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aaronpk
and will bring it up with the google lawyers that people are confused
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c Guha: google will defend you from patent trolls who threaten you for publishing http://schema.org markup (twtr.io/bGmGRBE60Y)
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@benwerd
"Sorry, that license was written by lawyers." http://Schema.org seems to be directing us to disregard the license terms. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGmH1yRP3V)
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aaronpk
huh, http://www.guha.com/
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aaronpk
http://www.guha.com/cv.html instead
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aaronpk
over 4,000,000 sites publish schema.org
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c Guha: there are over 4 million sites using http://schema.org it's in our interest - the major search vendors - to let this grow (twtr.io/bGmVpYa_kM)
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tantek
bret - they use cc-by-* something I think
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tantek
they need to use a liberal patent license like OWFa
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c Q: why not use CC0? Guha: it's more liberal than CC0 [it says Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License (version 3.0). ] (twtr.io/bGmbA9rv9t)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c Guha: http://schema.org is not just 4 companies coming up with things in smoky rooms - we have other companies involved too (twtr.io/bGmfyZJgCZ)
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brixen
shaners: what's up, buddy?
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brixen
shaners: not talking cus I'm busy building shit :)
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shaners
just a voyeur, huh? brixen
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shaners
;)
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@billchristian
#osfw3c does Activity Streams need an api to help define a model for performing subscriptions, retrieving a social graph, etc. (twtr.io/bGmqA4wmnU)
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brixen
lol sure I love watching
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@appfusions
RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c Guha: there are over 4 million sites using http://schema.org it's in our interest - the major search vendors -… (twtr.io/bGmrp98Ymw)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c Guha: Activity Streams doesn't have traction on the web [Is he saying G doesn't have traction?] (twtr.io/bGmsBZBpc4)
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shaners
IRC: A Spectator Sportâ„¢
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benwerd
"In addition, if the Sponsors have patent claims that are necessarily infringed by including markup of structured data in a webpage, where the markup is based on and strictly complies with the Schema, they grant an option to receive a license under reasonable and non-discriminatory terms without royalty, solely for the purpose of including markup of structured data in a webpage, where the markup is based on and strictly complies w
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benwerd
ith the Schema."
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aaronpk
"this thing is working on 300,000 android phones today, we aren't going to break that just to conform to activity streams"
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benwerd
just for reference.
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@ellenfeaheny
RT @katmandelstein: Like...alot! RT @vassko: @IBM, @JiveSoftware, @TIBCO oh my working together #osfw3c #w3c http://instagram.com/p/cxOzASr_HN/ #social… (twtr.io/bGmzo6aoq8)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c Guha: you have no idea how many of our choices have been based on the vocabularies mailing list [because you don't document them] (twtr.io/bGn7SbWMs0)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c Guha: we need a strong driving application to get people to publish markup - there is a value proposition there (twtr.io/bGnCrXvoG2)
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@aaronpk
The last day of #osfw3c is wrapping up with the creator of http://schema.org to address the patent concerns... http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2013/08/08/3/osfw3c (twtr.io/bGnDszjiE8)
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@ellenfeaheny
Awesome discussion/debate/discussion/debate around legals etc. wrt Google's http://schema.org (with Google's Guha) #osfw3c #goodVetting (twtr.io/bGnLEavEh8)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c Guha: it has to be usable by webmasters - it will be on the http://schema.org website, not many namespace declarations (twtr.io/bGnNXFXWmQ)
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brixen
shaners: please to help convince terence of my :engine_version proposal
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c Guha: we're not a standards body, we're not even a legal entity (twtr.io/bGnQd7j4G0)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c q: it sounds like there is a bit of an impasse - what is the governance process? Guha: made by 4 member companies. It's not open. (twtr.io/bGnYecHsH4)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c q: http://schema.org is not a legal entity, there's 4 companies and no-one else gets a say? Guha: Yes, thats how it works. (twtr.io/bGndxSbDs2)
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aaronpk
that sounded personal
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c @t: I'll believe the updated ToS when I see it. (twtr.io/bGnth9W7rU)
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shaners
aaronpk: is he speaking to the license issue at all?
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aaronpk
shaners: yea that was at teh very beginning
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@benwerd
Watching tech democracy at work. It's amazing to see different interests (heatedly) debate with each other in a room. #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGnwyveYLK)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c Guha: We need for every activity type to be a class. We have a model which will not change. (twtr.io/bGnxs9vy4o)
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bret
tantek: this guy is unbelievably arrogant about these valid points of criticism….
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c @wendyg as a lawyer, I will see if can clarify what the questions are on http://schema.org licence and get this sorted out (twtr.io/bGoAZ5P1BU)
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@gfxman
Lively and at times a little testy conversation going on about http://t.co/mObXVX64VY. * grabs popcorn * #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGoCdR1zPj)
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bret
i know its tough to be under scrutiny, but if you are alienating all these different groups so that you can have a "strong" vocabulary, you are doing something wrong
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bret
pop he needs the last word
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c @wseltzer: as a lawyer, I will see if can clarify what the questions are on http://schema.org licence and get this sorted out (twtr.io/bGoK6o0zj0)
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@lehawes
RT @gfxman: Lively and at times a little testy conversation going on about http://t.co/h1GbOXyEgs. * grabs popcorn * #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGoK9vQ2VM)
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bret
yes Mein Führer
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bret
well that was better
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@eric_meeks
When standards get in my way, truly get in my way, I drop them as well. That's how and why standards evolve #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGoMPS0HC_)
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bret
at least we got that, that was the right thing to close with
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@ciberch
@google sent a rep to #osfw3c to say we can use http://schema.org regardless of its TOS and sorry ASMS has no adoption so they ignored (twtr.io/bGoV2z1H9L)
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@lehawes
RT @eric_meeks: When standards get in my way, truly get in my way, I drop them as well. That's how and why standards evolve #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGoiq7qoAf)
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@webtechman
RT @billchristian: #osfw3c does Activity Streams need an api to help define a model for performing subscriptions, retrieving a social graph… (twtr.io/bGomZEZQ3E)
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@jasnell
Very happy to see solid support for Activity Streams at #osfw3c. Anyone can help move it forward @ http://activitystrea.ms (twtr.io/bGonP5FjrE)
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@kevinmarks
#osfw3c @harryhalpin: sign up for the http://www.w3.org/community/socbizcg/ mailing list to continue discussions (twtr.io/bGovSVPbAf)
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@lehawes
RT @jasnell: Very happy to see solid support for Activity Streams at #osfw3c. Anyone can help move it forward @ http://activitystrea.ms (twtr.io/bGox3L_YTk)
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@jasnell
Specs like Activity Streams ought to be viewed simply as ideas written down, tools anyone can use. #osfw3c @lehawes @eric_meeks (twtr.io/bGp2HMH9c4)
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@lehawes
@jasnell @eric_meeks So we need to standardize the definition of 'standard'? ;&gt;) #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGp6Dehu_h)
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Loqi
[@webtechman] @J_R_T @billchristian Thanks for the RT &amp
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Loqi
sharing thoughts about #osfw3c #socbiz ;) (http://twtr.io/bGp6Hg8s7V)
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@jasnell
A spec doesn't become a standard until it's adopted at scale. One person publishing a spec doesn't count #osfw3c @lehawes @eric_meeks (twtr.io/bGp76ZvR54)
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caseorganic.com
edited /site-deaths (+387) "/* 2013 */ Added Lavabit shutdown details" (view diff)
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@kevinmarks
RT @jasnell: Very happy to see solid support for Activity Streams at #osfw3c. Anyone can help move it forward @ http://activitystrea.ms (twtr.io/bGpXHKdrNf)
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tantek
OH: "You know you're doing something right if Google calls you annoying."
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bret
XD
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bret
I'm sure it feels good to work at google, but damn
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caseorganic
tantek++
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Loqi
tantek has 13 karma
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tantek
it was the guy in the "BAD RELIGION" t-shirt
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@ade_oshineye
RT @jasnell: A spec doesn't become a standard until it's adopted at scale. One person publishing a spec doesn't count #osfw3c @lehawes @eri… (twtr.io/bGq4ZqPbfY)
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aaronpk
tantek: that's awesome
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@t
#osfw3c great #indieweb after-demo discussions. Agreed to improve reply UI/UX with #webactions + @Mozilla Social API. (ttk.me t4RRC) (twtr.io/bGqbMCRx2y)
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@ciberch
#osfw3c Workshop wrapped up with a very positive outcome- happy to have met so many great people and get so many good questions, answers (twtr.io/bGqffChxM4)
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@t
Thanks @aaronpk @benwerd @ciberch @ellenfeaheny @eric_meeks @gfxman @kevinmarks @lehawes et al for #osfw3c coverage! (ttk.me t4RRD) (twtr.io/bGrB87HcdA)
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tantek
ok I think I'm out. brain full. may I be excused.
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@steveblackmon
Post #osfw3c drinks (@ Tank 18) https://foursquare.com/steveblackmon/checkin/520437de498e7c88e85f3e3e?s=W2c-JWOCRJhJzhDXRPdcvW52AuE&ref=tw (twtr.io/bGsHnGSAzC)
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@tkudos
RT @kevinmarks: #iosfw3c Patrick Deegan: each user's cell had an OPeniD connect server, a data store and lets you set up multiple personas … (twtr.io/bGt1TG62f0)
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@tkudos
RT @kevinmarks: #iosfw3c Patrick Deegan: Open Mustard Seed is described here: http://idcubed.org/open-platform/platform/ (twtr.io/bGt24iR92y)
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@ade_oshineye
RT @t: really wondering, who at #osfw3c actually ships code/products that create permalinks on the web vs. behind a firewall? (ttk.me t4RQ9) (twtr.io/bGtiq01VJy)
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Loqi
[@loicknuchel] RT @t: #POSSE * Publish Own Site Syndicate Elsewhere * Social=people over federation * #ownyourdata &amp
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Loqi
share with friends (ttk.me t4RR7) (http://twtr.io/bGu8DKp4dQ)
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aaronparecki.com
edited /webmention (+1171) (view diff)
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@webtechman
RT @t: Thanks @aaronpk @benwerd @ciberch @ellenfeaheny @eric_meeks @gfxman @kevinmarks @lehawes et al for #osfw3c coverage! (ttk.me t4RRD) (twtr.io/bGuooBgs_8)
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@ade_oshineye
RT @t: day 1 of @W3C Social Standards Workshop. Disappointed that http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/ mentions mostly dead specs. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ2) (twtr.io/bGuzKoeWqf)
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@jmertic
@kevinmarks Would love to participate in the effort to standardize vocabulary. Sign me up! #osfw3c (twtr.io/bGv1VAhb9c)
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Loqi
[@bfrohs] RT @t: #POSSE * Publish Own Site Syndicate Elsewhere * Social=people over federation * #ownyourdata &amp
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Loqi
share with friends (ttk.me t4RR7) (http://twtr.io/bGx7K_h6_g)
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@gguuss
RT @t: day 1 of @W3C Social Standards Workshop. Disappointed that http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/ mentions mostly dead specs. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ2) (twtr.io/bGxN3r1kJw)
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@aaronpk
Monoculture doesn't work on the public web, why should it work in the enterprise? Just because we /can/... #osfw3c http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2013/08/08/4/osfw3c (twtr.io/bGzEX94F4Y)
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Loqi
[mention] http://www.sandeep.io/123 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/silo (webmention)
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Loqi
[mention] http://www.sandeep.io/123 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/comment (webmention)
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Loqi
[mention] http://www.sandeep.io/123 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/commons (webmention)
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@sandeepshetty
The Identity and Content Locality Matrix http://www.sandeep.io/123 #indieweb (twtr.io/bGzgBj49AQ)
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@snarfed_org
@haxor @evanpro @aaronpk @kevinmarks seconded! I'd love a better way to follow #indieweb events. site rss is too noisy, @indieweb too quiet. (twtr.io/bGzq4pBmVL)
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@benwerd
RT @aaronpk: Monoculture doesn't work on the public web, why should it work in the enterprise? Just because we /can/... #osfw3c http://t.co… (twtr.io/bGzzrgbWS8)
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aaronpk
sandeep is back!
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@Tica2
RT @ciberch: @google sent a rep to #osfw3c to say we can use http://schema.org regardless of its TOS and sorry ASMS has no adoption so… (twtr.io/bH6ZhtTCvV)
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@rektide
RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c q: http://schema.org is not a legal entity, there's 4 companies and no-one else gets a say? Guha: Yes, thats … (twtr.io/bH7LME5nSw)
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@CjopCjop
Own your data! Run your own server! Here’s a great detailed guide by @ubuntu perfect for first-timers: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/index.html #OwnYourData (twtr.io/bHA9LQsrZM)
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@onehundredowls
Own your data! Run your own server! Here’s a great detailed guide by @ubuntu perfect for first-timers: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/index.html #OwnYourData (twtr.io/bHA9rM_N95)
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@billchristian
RT @jasnell: Very happy to see solid support for Activity Streams at #osfw3c. Anyone can help move it forward @ http://activitystrea.ms (twtr.io/bHB2nj8dpg)
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@ellenfeaheny
RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c @harryhalpin: sign up for the http://www.w3.org/community/socbizcg/ mailing list to continue discussions (twtr.io/bHBfVuCzE9)
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@appfusions
RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c @harryhalpin: sign up for the http://www.w3.org/community/socbizcg/ mailing list to continue discussions (twtr.io/bHBfW8mo2A)
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@billchristian
@ade_oshineye #indieweb makes a good case for a federated self host environment. But, I do believe in supporting friendly platforms. (twtr.io/bHCLL4TcTW)
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@kevinmarks
@snarfed_org @haxor @evanpro @aaronpk @indieweb trying to map my live tweeting model to indieweb patterns (twtr.io/bHFJxVqWQ2)
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neuro`
Hello
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benwerd
aaronpk - sorry to hear about your flight!
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@aaronpk
@snarfed_org Yeah, we do keep http://indiewebcamp.com/events up to date very well, but the page could use a bit of cleanup... http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/08/08/5/indieweb (twtr.io/bHKm0e0m95)
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Loqi
[mention] http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/08/08/5/indieweb linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events (webmention)
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aaronpk
oh man
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aaronpk
never flying to SFO again
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aaronpk
unfortunately I parked at PDX cause it was cheaper than taking a cab, but now that means I have to drive home at 1:30am :(
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caseorganic.com
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@LeptienM
RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twtr.io/bHMKG10VWg)
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@jmertic
Thanks to the #osfw3c and #distill13 for the great events this week. Excited to have been a part of them! (twtr.io/bHMo6oYiE8)
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bret
aaronpk: I know you are prob fried from today, but the IRC logs are adding an extra ) to the twtr.io urls
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bret
good luck with the flight
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aaronpk
oh yea I saw
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bret
Want an issue?
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aaronpk
nah I almost got it
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bret
ah cool
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bret
aaronpk never runs out of juice
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aaronpk
bret: there we go, al bette
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aaronpk
oh there goes my juice
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bret
5% juice remaining
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bret
wow, huge logs for the last two days
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bret
I like the real time feedback of twitter conversations, but I think its also a huge distraction when people are talking
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bret
personally
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aaronpk
i like it because sometimes people catch things I missed and then I still get to read them
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bret
i feel far more exhausted after two days of this than IWC
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aaronpk
heh
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aaronpk
talking does that
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bret
I kind of wish we did some brainstorming together before the talk on the hack day
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bret
more*
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bret
Maybe some trail runs
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bret
run*
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aaronpk
i think it went well regardless
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bret
no doubt
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aaronpk
the live demos worked which is kind of amazing by itself
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aaronpk
three different implementations talking to each other, lots could have gone wrong!
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bret
I REALLY want to get across the minimum viability of these ideas. Its like the tardigrade of social web standards
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bret
it just exists in the cryostats that is html, and comes alive in the right environment
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aaronpk
yeah!
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bret
cryostasis*
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aaronpk
boarding! woo! i get to go home!
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bret
w00t
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bret
no love Loqi? Shees your so moody sometimes
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bret
sheesh*
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christopheducamp.com
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@vassko
Who was the tall girl who came to the w3c event and left right a way today? #osfw3c (twtr.io/bHQouTS7dg)
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christopheducamp.com
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christopheducamp.com
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christopheducamp.com
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christopheducamp.com
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