#indiewebcamp 2013-08-09

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tantek OH: "You know you're doing something right if Google calls you annoying."
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bret XD
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bret I'm sure it feels good to work at google, but damn
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caseorganic tantek++
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Loqi tantek has 13 karma
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tantek it was the guy in the "BAD RELIGION" t-shirt
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@ade_oshineye RT @jasnell: A spec doesn't become a standard until it's adopted at scale. One person publishing a spec doesn't count #osfw3c @lehawes @eri… (twitter.com/_/status/365624622537900032)
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aaronpk tantek: that's awesome
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@t #osfw3c great #indieweb after-demo discussions. Agreed to improve reply UI/UX with #webactions + @Mozilla Social API. (ttk.me t4RRC) (twitter.com/_/status/365626105706725378)
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@ciberch #osfw3c Workshop wrapped up with a very positive outcome- happy to have met so many great people and get so many good questions, answers (twitter.com/_/status/365626307108798464)
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@t Thanks @aaronpk @benwerd @ciberch @ellenfeaheny @eric_meeks @gfxman @kevinmarks @lehawes et al for #osfw3c coverage! (ttk.me t4RRD) (twitter.com/_/status/365627728491327490)
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tantek ok I think I'm out. brain full. may I be excused.
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@steveblackmon Post #osfw3c drinks (@ Tank 18) https://foursquare.com/steveblackmon/checkin/520437de498e7c88e85f3e3e?s=W2c-JWOCRJhJzhDXRPdcvW52AuE&ref=tw (twitter.com/_/status/365630838232215552)
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@tkudos RT @kevinmarks: #iosfw3c Patrick Deegan: each user's cell had an OPeniD connect server, a data store and lets you set up multiple personas … (twitter.com/_/status/365632875539865600)
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@tkudos RT @kevinmarks: #iosfw3c Patrick Deegan: Open Mustard Seed is described here: http://idcubed.org/open-platform/platform/ (twitter.com/_/status/365632904665112578)
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@ade_oshineye RT @t: really wondering, who at #osfw3c actually ships code/products that create permalinks on the web vs. behind a firewall? (ttk.me t4RQ9) (twitter.com/_/status/365634852768321538)
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Loqi [@loicknuchel] RT @t: #POSSE * Publish Own Site Syndicate Elsewhere * Social=people over federation * #ownyourdata &amp
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@webtechman RT @t: Thanks @aaronpk @benwerd @ciberch @ellenfeaheny @eric_meeks @gfxman @kevinmarks @lehawes et al for #osfw3c coverage! (ttk.me t4RRD) (twitter.com/_/status/365637884004405248)
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@ade_oshineye RT @t: day 1 of @W3C Social Standards Workshop. Disappointed that http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/ mentions mostly dead specs. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ2) (twitter.com/_/status/365638375149015040)
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@jmertic @kevinmarks Would love to participate in the effort to standardize vocabulary. Sign me up! #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365638475745202177)
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Loqi [@bfrohs] RT @t: #POSSE * Publish Own Site Syndicate Elsewhere * Social=people over federation * #ownyourdata &amp
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@gguuss RT @t: day 1 of @W3C Social Standards Workshop. Disappointed that http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/ mentions mostly dead specs. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ2) (twitter.com/_/status/365645034546139136)
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@aaronpk Monoculture doesn't work on the public web, why should it work in the enterprise? Just because we /can/... #osfw3c http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2013/08/08/4/osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365650281247158272)
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Loqi [mention] http://www.sandeep.io/123 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/silo (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://www.sandeep.io/123 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/comment (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://www.sandeep.io/123 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/commons (webmention)
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@sandeepshetty The Identity and Content Locality Matrix http://www.sandeep.io/123 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/365651525860737024)
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@snarfed_org @haxor @evanpro @aaronpk @kevinmarks seconded! I'd love a better way to follow #indieweb events. site rss is too noisy, @indieweb too quiet. (twitter.com/_/status/365651940387983360)
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@benwerd RT @aaronpk: Monoculture doesn't work on the public web, why should it work in the enterprise? Just because we /can/... #osfw3c http://t.co… (twitter.com/_/status/365652396740845568)
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aaronpk sandeep is back!
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@Tica2 RT @ciberch: @google sent a rep to #osfw3c to say we can use http://schema.org regardless of its TOS and sorry ASMS has no adoption so… (twitter.com/_/status/365670772359958529)
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@rektide RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c q: http://schema.org is not a legal entity, there's 4 companies and no-one else gets a say? Guha: Yes, thats … (twitter.com/_/status/365672948352290816)
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@CjopCjop Own your data! Run your own server! Here’s a great detailed guide by @ubuntu perfect for first-timers: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/index.html #OwnYourData (twitter.com/_/status/365680832578457601)
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@onehundredowls Own your data! Run your own server! Here’s a great detailed guide by @ubuntu perfect for first-timers: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/index.html #OwnYourData (twitter.com/_/status/365680856641183745)
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@billchristian RT @jasnell: Very happy to see solid support for Activity Streams at #osfw3c. Anyone can help move it forward @ http://activitystrea.ms (twitter.com/_/status/365683326591307781)
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@ellenfeaheny RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c @harryhalpin: sign up for the http://www.w3.org/community/socbizcg/ mailing list to continue discussions (twitter.com/_/status/365685085653045249)
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@appfusions RT @kevinmarks: #osfw3c @harryhalpin: sign up for the http://www.w3.org/community/socbizcg/ mailing list to continue discussions (twitter.com/_/status/365685085841788930)
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@billchristian @ade_oshineye #indieweb makes a good case for a federated self host environment. But, I do believe in supporting friendly platforms. (twitter.com/_/status/365686944249806850)
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@kevinmarks @snarfed_org @haxor @evanpro @aaronpk @indieweb trying to map my live tweeting model to indieweb patterns (twitter.com/_/status/365695278117949442)
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neuro` Hello
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benwerd aaronpk - sorry to hear about your flight!
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@aaronpk @snarfed_org Yeah, we do keep http://indiewebcamp.com/events up to date very well, but the page could use a bit of cleanup... http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/08/08/5/indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/365707737721606145)
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Loqi [mention] http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/08/08/5/indieweb linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events (webmention)
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aaronpk oh man
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aaronpk never flying to SFO again
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aaronpk unfortunately I parked at PDX cause it was cheaper than taking a cab, but now that means I have to drive home at 1:30am :(
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caseorganic.com edited /site-deaths (+588) "/* 2013 */ Added shut down of Silent Circle encrypted email service, added better citation to Lavabit shutdown" (view diff)
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@LeptienM RT @t: if you're publishing your *web* "standard" docs/specs in PDF not HTML, you're doing it wrong. #osfw3c (ttk.me t4RQ5) (twitter.com/_/status/365712088678666241)
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@jmertic Thanks to the #osfw3c and #distill13 for the great events this week. Excited to have been a part of them! (twitter.com/_/status/365713434542747648)
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bret aaronpk: I know you are prob fried from today, but the IRC logs are adding an extra ) to the twtr.io urls
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bret good luck with the flight
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aaronpk oh yea I saw
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bret Want an issue?
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aaronpk nah I almost got it
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bret ah cool
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bret aaronpk never runs out of juice
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aaronpk bret: there we go, al bette
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aaronpk oh there goes my juice
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bret 5% juice remaining
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bret wow, huge logs for the last two days
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bret I like the real time feedback of twitter conversations, but I think its also a huge distraction when people are talking
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bret personally
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aaronpk i like it because sometimes people catch things I missed and then I still get to read them
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bret i feel far more exhausted after two days of this than IWC
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aaronpk heh
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aaronpk talking does that
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bret I kind of wish we did some brainstorming together before the talk on the hack day
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bret more*
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bret Maybe some trail runs
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bret run*
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aaronpk i think it went well regardless
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bret no doubt
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aaronpk the live demos worked which is kind of amazing by itself
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aaronpk three different implementations talking to each other, lots could have gone wrong!
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bret I REALLY want to get across the minimum viability of these ideas. Its like the tardigrade of social web standards
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bret it just exists in the cryostats that is html, and comes alive in the right environment
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aaronpk yeah!
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bret cryostasis*
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aaronpk boarding! woo! i get to go home!
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bret w00t
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bret no love Loqi? Shees your so moody sometimes
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bret sheesh*
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@vassko Who was the tall girl who came to the w3c event and left right a way today? #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365721869673963521)
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@ellenfeaheny Crasher.. that was not a girl.. #onlyInSF RT @vassko: Who was the tall girl who came to the w3c event and left right a way today? #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365729435472756736)
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@CjopCjop Found a great PHP script that will allow you to run your own URL shortener: https://github.com/YOURLS/YOURLS Thank you @yourls #OwnYourData (twitter.com/_/status/365732030908084225)
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Loqi [@gericci] RT @t: #POSSE * Publish Own Site Syndicate Elsewhere * Social=people over federation * #ownyourdata &amp
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Loqi share with friends (ttk.me t4RR7) (http://twtr.io/bHXwWX31Yo)
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Loqi [@renaudaubin] RT @timbray: Wow, there’s a lot happening in the ID space. TIL about Persona/Gmail: http://identity.mozilla.com/post/57712756801/persona-makes-signing-in-easy-for-gmail-users &amp
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Loqi IndieAuth: http://t.co/Qu2B1b3… (http://twtr.io/bHeiyTW7hw)
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Loqi [mention] https://www.marcus-povey.co.uk/2013/08/09/lavabit-and-silent-circle-shut/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/UK (pingback)
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aaronpk mapkyca: great post, I added it to the wiki!
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mapkyca Thanks! :)
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jihaisse hello
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jihaisse is someone here have an example of an indieauth domain ?
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aaronpk jihaisse: what do you mean?
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jihaisse a website with the indieauth
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neuro` jihaisse: I'm using t37.net on indieauth.com
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neuro` jihaisse: just have the rel="me" on my twitter link
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jihaisse neuro`: ok, that's just simple ?
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neuro` jihaisse: it is.
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jihaisse neuro`: you just have to have one link ?
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jihaisse what if more ?
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aaronpk you'll get an option of choosing which you want to use to log in
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neuro` jihaisse: you can login through more providers.
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neuro` #obviousstatementisobvious
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jihaisse ok
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jihaisse and one more question
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jihaisse links have to be visible ?
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jihaisse or is it just a recommendation ?
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aaronpk currently it has to be an <a> tag, but you can do <a style="display:none">
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aaronpk i'm adding support for finding <link> tags in the html header next
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jihaisse ok, great
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jihaisse aaronpk: that can be a nice feature
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jihaisse will have to find how to have theses links in my wp
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aaronpk could stick them in a sidebar widget
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jihaisse totaly
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jihaisse great, done
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jihaisse twitter/g+
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aaronpk great!
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barnabywalters aaronpk: bah-sil, cam-oh-mile, oregaaano
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barnabywalters is quite tempted to record some sound clips and post a reply note :)
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@jihaisse Je viens de mettre en place le système #indieauth pour mon nom de domaine. #indieweb https://indieauth.com http://jihais.se/2013/08/09/je-viens-de-mettre-en-place-le-systeme-indieauth-pour-mon-nom-de-domaine-indieweb-httpsindieauth-com/ (twitter.com/_/status/365778467226271746)
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jihaisse added github for the fun too
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aaronpk lol!
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aaronpk i'm also using this as an excuse to demo a new thing
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barnabywalters aaronpk: oooh what is it?
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Loqi it is I
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barnabywalters MY GOD
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barnabywalters IT’S ASTONISHING
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aaronpk hehe
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aaronpk I can reply to your note without copy+paste now!
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barnabywalters oh awesome!
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barnabywalters using the toolbelt, or something else?
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aaronpk super simple
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aaronpk you'll laugh
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barnabywalters go on…
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aaronpk possibly best described with an example!
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aaronpk http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2013/08/09/1/reply
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barnabywalters okay yeah that’s pretty awesome
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aaronpk :)
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aaronpk oh man that makes it so much easier
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aaronpk i don't even need to use a mouse!
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barnabywalters address bar == command line
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@aaronpk Hacked together a quick bookmarklet so I can get a keyboard shortcut to reply to people' #indieweb notes! Video: http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2013/08/09/1/reply (twitter.com/_/status/365782163154681856)
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aaronpk whee ok goodnight for reals
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Loqi ciao
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barnabywalters goodnight
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tommorris hey barnabywalters
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barnabywalters morning tommorris
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tommorris finally found Jsoup today, a decent Java HTML parsing library. This means microformats2 might soon be parsable in any JVM environment
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barnabywalters ooh, nice
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tommorris barnabywalters: I may be nicking bits of the PHP MF2 code for the Java port
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tommorris Java should just be PHP but with a bit more boilerplate and ceremony.
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@ade_oshineye @ciberch what was the outcome? what were the outputs? #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365789538041348097)
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barnabywalters no problem, please don’t judge me by that code ;)
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barnabywalters some of it is rather hairy
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tommorris barnabywalters: the Java I've already written stinks a bit.
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tommorris I really do hate Java as a language. thought about writing something in Scala but wanted widespread availability for the pure Java lot
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@jaukia "Build stuff which kills your own FB usage before trying to kill Facebook." http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/1480/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/365796344012619777)
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@xtof_fr Lavabit and Silent Circle shut. https://www.marcus-povey.co.uk/2013/08/09/lavabit-and-silent-circle-shut/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/365802472742207489)
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pdurbin tommorris: +1 for widespread availability. Java is popular
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@xtof_fr Ch. tjrs aide pour install #webmention w #wordpress "Easily add support for Pingback and webmentions..." http://www.marcus-povey.co.uk/2013/08/07/easily-add-support-for-pingback-and-webmentions-and-webhooks/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/365807003983020034)
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Loqi [@jcea] RT @timbray: Wow, there’s a lot happening in the ID space. TIL about Persona/Gmail: http://identity.mozilla.com/post/57712756801/persona-makes-signing-in-easy-for-gmail-users &amp
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Loqi IndieAuth: http://t.co/Qu2B1b3… (http://twtr.io/bHvbFNC0dT)
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@xtof_fr RT @aaronpk: Hacked together a quick bookmarklet so I can get a keyboard shortcut to reply to people' #indieweb notes! Video: http://t.co/P… (twitter.com/_/status/365809915790491648)
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@edsu late to the #osfw3c party? here are all the tweets on one page http://inkdroid.org/tmp/osfw3c.html (twitter.com/_/status/365817621641297921)
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@OnTheWebz RT @t: Thanks @aaronpk @benwerd @ciberch @ellenfeaheny @eric_meeks @gfxman @kevinmarks @lehawes et al for #osfw3c coverage! (ttk.me t4RRD) (twitter.com/_/status/365818663103774720)
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@domenicoperri #USERMEDIA domenicoperri starred aaronpk/IndieAuth https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter #invispide (twitter.com/_/status/365825046880595968)
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@collinsmaryh RT @OllyGuseva: RT: @MRSDBOOKSIs Seasonal Publishing Dead? http://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/industry-news/bookselling/article/58454-the-changing-seasons.html … via @publisherswkly #aga3 #MustRead #writing #Indieauth… (twitter.com/_/status/365827638633312257)
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@dzhu RT @appfusions: "RT @lehawes: More enterprise use cases being discussed by @AppFusions' @ellenfeaheny at #osfw3c, highlighting packagd IBM,… (twitter.com/_/status/365832030736490496)
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Loqi [@aral] Mark the dates: the 2nd IndieWebCampUK is taking place in Brighton on the 7th &amp
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Loqi 8th of September. http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/UK (http://twtr.io/bJ64Cjzr6h)
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Loqi [@i_am_prometheus] RT @aral: Mark the dates: the 2nd IndieWebCampUK is taking place in Brighton on the 7th &amp
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Loqi 8th of September. http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/UK (http://twtr.io/bJ65zYJvD4)
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Loqi [@gericci] RT @aral: Mark the dates: the 2nd IndieWebCampUK is taking place in Brighton on the 7th &amp
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Loqi 8th of September. http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/UK (http://twtr.io/bJ6auCyjZ4)
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Loqi [@NonStopDigital] RT @aral: Mark the dates: the 2nd IndieWebCampUK is taking place in Brighton on the 7th &amp
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Loqi 8th of September. http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/UK (http://twtr.io/bJ6sL6_wVt)
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@jaukia "There remains a need to prove the business value of decentralized web technologies" @benward #indieweb http://werd.io/entry/51dca7e2bed7de945debf707/the-indieweb-as-a-minimum-viable-social-web-ecosystem (twitter.com/_/status/365842348330061825)
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barnabywalters ben[werd <=> ward] crossmention!
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@awebbdesigner @aral Just noticed no info on your page: http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Aralbalkan.com :( (twitter.com/_/status/365842796961210368)
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neuro` This is quite interesting: http://www.inthepoche.com/?navlang=en
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@w3c W3C this week: #HTML5 Web Apps in Amazon #Appstore, kill #CAPTCHAs, #osfw3c --W3C Social Standards Workshop, etc. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-w3c-digest/2013JulSep/0005.html (twitter.com/_/status/365863175524065280)
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@thyraxx RT @w3c: W3C this week: #HTML5 Web Apps in Amazon #Appstore, kill #CAPTCHAs, #osfw3c --W3C Social Standards Workshop, etc. http://t.co/2tUC… (twitter.com/_/status/365863598381219843)
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@Raf_Lag RT @w3c: W3C this week: #HTML5 Web Apps in Amazon #Appstore, kill #CAPTCHAs, #osfw3c --W3C Social Standards Workshop, etc. http://t.co/2tUC… (twitter.com/_/status/365865474854096897)
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@markuslanthaler RT @Gkellogg: IBM using pubsubhub, ActivityStreams and JSON-LD to solve real-world problems #osfw3c (twitter.com/_/status/365869601206185985)
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@ellenfeaheny RT @w3c: W3C this week: #HTML5 Web Apps in Amazon #Appstore, kill #CAPTCHAs, #osfw3c --W3C Social Standards Workshop, etc. http://t.co/2tUC… (twitter.com/_/status/365885978327527424)
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@appfusions RT @w3c: W3C this week: #HTML5 Web Apps in Amazon #Appstore, kill #CAPTCHAs, #osfw3c --W3C Social Standards Workshop, etc. http://t.co/2tUC… (twitter.com/_/status/365885981200617473)
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@ProgrammingT RT @w3c: W3C this week: #HTML5 Web Apps in Amazon #Appstore, kill #CAPTCHAs, #osfw3c --W3C Social Standards Workshop, etc. http://t.co/2tUC… (twitter.com/_/status/365886613554860032)
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aaronpk thinking about rearranging the "Getting Started" page, moving a lot of that content over to a "Hosting" page since a lot of it compares hosting environments
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neuro` Evening
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neuro` aaronpk: I'd probably keep the Connect part, and then:
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neuro` 1- get a personal domain (move the Partial Solution elsewhere)
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neuro` 2- setup a content publishing (a list of various content publishing available within the indieweb projects)
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neuro` 3- Personal short links
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neuro` 4- Post once, syndicate everywhere
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neuro` 5- "Now you're started" => Add h-entry to your posts, Port old silo content to your site
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neuro` I'd move the shar and join us to the contact section
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neuro` aaronpk: and I'd do that with the 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 steps so it's easier for people to know where they are / go
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neuro` (a little bit like the famous 3 steps wordpress setup)
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neuro` But that's only my not humble at all opinion
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aaronpk that's mostly what I had in mind
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aaronpk I don't want to say set up a publishing platform though because I want this to not require people to install or build a framework
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aaronpk sticking with the basics, just saying "make your HTML do this: ___" and let them figure it out
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aaronpk the audience would be someone who is already familiar with HTML in this case
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neuro` I don't want either, but we have to tell people that they need a domain name and something to publish
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neuro` That's the basics, and it's also terribly complicated for "normal people"
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aaronpk also personal short links teechnically aren't required, and it's yet another thing to set up that doesn't have immediate benefit
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aaronpk so I might just leave that off, or move it off to the side or something
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aaronpk basically i'm imagining myself sitting down with someone who has a basic static HTML page on their home page and nothing else, and explaining the steps
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neuro` I'll try this with my wife. She's a technologically impaired teacher.
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aaronpk has she ever written html before?
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neuro` BTW, this is becoming very interesting https://github.com/inthepoche/poche
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aaronpk ohh here's a better idea... I'll make a new page specifically for people who already know HTML and have a domain name
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aaronpk and then a separate page that describes the basics of getting a domain and hosting
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aaronpk lets the pages be targeted better
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neuro` Great!
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neuro` Lunch time, BBL
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@Zahra_rb RT @t: Thanks @aaronpk @benwerd @ciberch @ellenfeaheny @eric_meeks @gfxman @kevinmarks @lehawes et al for #osfw3c coverage! (ttk.me t4RRD) (twitter.com/_/status/365926048778559488)
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aaronpk http://www.onebigfluke.com/2013/08/lets-remove-verbs-from-http-20.html
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@brianjesse is there a simple app that just sends #ios notification of new items in a feed? #rss #indieweb thx (twitter.com/_/status/365939368961130496)
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neuro` Good *.* tantek
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tantek neuro` Good *.* to you too! :)
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@dellasm RT @wordsprof: Backstage at the trailer shoot - 1 way authors can use #Pinterest: http://pinterest.com/stevepiacente/400-pages-in-2-minutes-the-bootlicker-trailer/ #selfpubl #booktrailers #indieauth… (twitter.com/_/status/365947565025398785)
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@CageAuthor RT @wordsprof: Backstage at the trailer shoot - 1 way authors can use #Pinterest: http://pinterest.com/stevepiacente/400-pages-in-2-minutes-the-bootlicker-trailer/ #selfpubl #booktrailers #indieauth… (twitter.com/_/status/365949690572845057)
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tantek aaronpk - any idea what those indieauth references are about?
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aaronpk indieauthor I think
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tantek ah twitter truncation
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tantek aaronpk - I like the idea of a continuously iterating/evolving Getting Started page
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tantek looking forward to seeing what you do with it
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tantek aaronpk, benwerd, so *both* of you added "slides" (or presentation?) as a post type to your indieweb software/site this week right?
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tantek benwerd - I remember the org-chart-like icon from your presentation but I forgot what you actually called it in the UI
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aaronpk tantek: I've had "presentations" for a while, just never actually linked to HTML slides before
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tantek does that mean you've had links to non-HTML slides before?
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tantek trying to understand what you mean by having had presentations for a while, just not HTML slides (presumably in p3k?)
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aaronpk this list has been around since i first made my site http://aaronparecki.com/presentations
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aaronpk most of the entries however are just an h-entry with text or a link to more info
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aaronpk I did make images of one of the presentations so it's embedded inline: http://aaronparecki.com/presentations/2012/11/19/1/geolocation-in-web-and-mobile-apps-esri-berlin
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aaronpk some of them are embedded slideshares: http://aaronparecki.com/presentations/2013/01/07/1/the-state-of-oauth-2
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tantek some of these look more like events than presentations - or are they like speaking appearances? e.g. http://aaronparecki.com/presentations/2011/05/27/1/ambient-location-and-the-future-of-the-interface
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tantek it doesn't show or link to slides - hence looks more like an event post
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aaronpk yea I haven't put the slides on all of them yet
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tantek ah ok
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aaronpk but yes they are more like an event+slides
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tantek almost like the Lanyrd session content type
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aaronpk yeah, each one of these could have a corresponding link to a lanyrd session. some of them already link to opensourcebridge.org sessions
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tantek I was thinking from the perspective that each of those that you have is like the indieweb equivalent of a lanyrd session page, e.g. http://lanyrd.com/2013/eia2013/sckykt/
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tantek Lanyrd has a notion of "sessions" inside "events"
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aaronpk yes that's equivalent
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aaronpk and sometimes I embed the slides on the session page directly (iframe, images, slideshare, etc) or link to the PDF slides, or now I can link to the HTML slides
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tantek it just seems to me that you naturally ended up creating/posting a "session" content type, even if you put in the URL /presentaitons
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tantek s/presentaitons/presentations
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Loqi tantek meant to say: it just seems to me that you naturally ended up creating/posting a "session" content type, even if you put in the URL /presentations
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aaronpk that is a reasonable assessment
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tantek whereas I think common understanding of a "presentation" is the slide deck itself
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tantek not saying what you did was wrong, just trying to better understand it
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tommorris votes session over presentation
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tantek obviously what you did makes sense
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tommorris not all sessions are presentations ;)
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aaronpk my intent is to have the slide deck on each of those pages
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tantek right, Lanyrd lets you embed/link to the slides for each session to
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tommorris birds-of-a-feather peer directed collaboration sessions aren't presentations ;)
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tantek however the slides (presentation) are still a separate URL from the session
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tommorris tantek: got a question about microformats-2 parsing - does the class name ordering matter?
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tantek class name ordering never matters per the definition of the HTML class attribute
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tantek looks up the FAQ
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tommorris so, how does one distinguish between property with nested microformat and non-nested microformat with an implicit property? ;)
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tommorris <div class="h-event"><div class="p-location h-card">...
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tommorris vs. <div class="h-event"><div class="h-card p-name">...
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tantek tommorris - the two are equivalent and parsed the same as well
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tantek you cannot put explicit property class names on the same element as the root class name for the object
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tantek and this is why
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tommorris ah okay
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tantek is trying to figure out how to write this up as an FAQ
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tommorris my brain felt like it had gone into spin cycle trying to work out how to parse that
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tantek tommorris - the algorithm is fairly clear about that :)
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tommorris yeah, I'm getting quite far implementing a Java version pretty much just from the wiki page
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aaronpk wow
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tommorris I did pop one issue on the wiki earlier
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tantek tommorris - awesome!
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tantek for comparison the phpmf2 parser gives quite good results
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tantek and the pin13.net test front-end is excellent
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tommorris although I did spend half an hour in a debugger earlier because I'd forgotten that in Java you have to use .equals to compare strings rather than ==
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tommorris yet another one of the many brainfuck decisions that makes me hate Java
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tantek no operator overloading to make == do a .equals?
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aaronpk haha oh yea java
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tommorris nope. I only remembered this as I was stepping through it in a debugger.
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aaronpk http://javarevisited.blogspot.com/2011/08/why-java-does-not-support-operator.html
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tantek suggests tommorris start a LOLjava.tumblr.com
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tommorris I'm writing a Java library solely because I use JVM based languages (Scala, JRuby)... and because lots of people like Java.
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aaronpk "wanted to have a clear, truly object oriented language
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tommorris there's a reason why I'm happy my work are moving away from Java
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shaners aaronpk: catching up on today/last night. what's the use case for <link> support in indieauth
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shaners tommorris: ping
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tantek shaners - people that don't want to alter the design of their home page to link to a silo
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tantek so far we've had two examples, cweiske here in #indiewebcamp, and one of the participants at yesterdays osfw3c workshop in person.
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shaners <link rel="me" href="http;//twitter.com/t"> like this?
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tantek shaners yeah
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tantek I can sympathize with not wanting to visibly link to a silo, not wanting to send any more traffic to a silo.
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tantek or otherwise act as an implicit advertisement or advocate for them
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tantek (since links have implied positive weighting)
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tantek is re-reading shaners's jsonld unneeded post
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tantek http://iamshane.com/articles/2013/8/8/1/json-ld-is-an-uneeded-spec
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tantek semi-related - while out running today was giving some thought to in-reply-to (and related) discussions/brainstorms with sandeepshetty on the wiki
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tantek.com moved /Standardizing_Web_Intents to /2011/Standardizing_Web_Intents "make it clearer from the URL that this is/was a dated session page from 2011 rather than any kind of current effort."
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tantek this page: http://indiewebcamp.com/responses