#indiewebcamp 2013-09-11

2013-09-11 UTC
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sparveri1s
im working on a simple cms for personal use based off of django and it's going swimmingly
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sparveri1s
maybe roll your own?
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Garbee
Setup as in just their post management configuration.
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Garbee
And their UI as a whole honestly.
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Garbee
Wardrobe is so simple and I love it for that, but it doesn't work on my shared host (laravel thing probably.)
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Garbee
I may just build my own little system.
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Garbee
It isn't that hard to build a blog.
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tantek
Garbee - that's the spirit!
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tantek
most of us came to the same conclusion
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rknLA
Garbee: what's your motivation of staying on a shared host?
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josephg
shrugs
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josephg
you're welcome to clone
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josephg
ofc :)
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josephg
I got it from nornagon/words, and I think we've diverged a bit
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josephg
( Garbee: ^ )
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tantek
josephg - selfdogfood. I like :)
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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caseorganic.com
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caseorganic.com
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@eschnou
I'm sick of companies abusing the terms 'open' and 'free' to market their closed silos apps. #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/377695069664731136)
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@adambrault
RT @eschnou: I'm sick of companies abusing the terms 'open' and 'free' to market their closed silos apps. #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/377695992298344448)
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@julien51
RT @eschnou: I'm sick of companies abusing the terms 'open' and 'free' to market their closed silos apps. #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/377696909567479808)
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@angelasr23
RT @eschnou: I'm sick of companies abusing the terms 'open' and 'free' to market their closed silos apps. #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/377696962252132352)
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donpdonp
drinks 8oz of camilstore koolaid
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@ralphm
RT @eschnou: I'm sick of companies abusing the terms 'open' and 'free' to market their closed silos apps. #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/377698349539164160)
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tantek.com
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tantek
donpdonp - where is camlistore relative to your other itch(es) http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Donpark.org?
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@saghul
RT @eschnou: I'm sick of companies abusing the terms 'open' and 'free' to market their closed silos apps. #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/377702234710351872)
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@hirojin
RT @eschnou: I'm sick of companies abusing the terms 'open' and 'free' to market their closed silos apps. #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/377705691647315968)
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Loqi
barnabywalters: tantek left you a message on 9/10 at 6:56am: I was able to reproduce the Twitter threading problem that we saw with a couple more tweets: https://twitter.com/t/status/377428740974080000 and https://twitter.com/t/status/377429934463266817 which points it out to BenWard (hoping he'll file a bug)
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barnabywalters
morning #indiewebcamp
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tantek
morning barnabywalters
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tantek
let me know when you've had a chance to take a look at those tweets and let me know what you think
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barnabywalters
tantek: good (bad?) to see that bug wasn’t a one off — thanks for reporting it
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barnabywalters
I’ve got a basic version of Weave (the extension Aral and I were working on) expanding aaronpk’s tweets on twitter.com
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barnabywalters
it also works with my tweets, but crashes safari ;) not sure why yet
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barnabywalters
seems to send twitter.com into an infinite redirect loop
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tantek
odd. I wonder if it's a JS interaction thing
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tantek
how about my tweets?
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barnabywalters
tantek: hmm, doesn’t seem to be working for your tweets
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barnabywalters
probably the https:// thing again
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barnabywalters
I need to implement redirect handling in all my original post discovery code
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barnabywalters
which is now mainly written in both JS and PHP, making it potential #cassis material, right?
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@pedromelo
RT @eschnou: I'm sick of companies abusing the terms 'open' and 'free' to market their closed silos apps. #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/377718176186114049)
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@aifesteves
RT @eschnou: I'm sick of companies abusing the terms 'open' and 'free' to market their closed silos apps. #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/377718623369842688)
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tantek
barnabywalters yes! if you can converge the JS and PHP versions, we can add it to #cassis.js
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tantek
(just Loqi and me in there currently ;) )
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Loqi
dude
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barnabywalters
tantek: I’m super busy this week (I’m on “holiday”) but when I’m back in iceland I’ll have a closer look at cassis and get my head round some of the syntax
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neuro`
Good morning.
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barnabywalters
morning neuro`
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barnabywalters
bnvk: just sent you an email RE indiewebify.me
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cweiske
who made indiewebify.me?
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barnabywalters
cweiske: bnvk
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cweiske
I get JS errors, and can't press return in the form fields
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barnabywalters
it’s a work in progress :)
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barnabywalters
only a few days old
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barnabywalters
cweiske: which JS errors, in what browser?
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cweiske
in opera, directly on loading: Uncaught exception: TypeError: Cannot convert 'result' to object Event thread: readystatechange indiewebify.me/:284
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cweiske
Uncaught exception: TypeError: Cannot convert 'result' to object Event thread: readystatechange indiewebify.me/:287
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cweiske
in chrome: Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'items' of null :284
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cweiske
s/chrome/chromium/
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Loqi
cweiske meant to say: in chromium: Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'items' of null :284
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barnabywalters
thanks, creating issues
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cweiske
would be nice if the source code was linked
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barnabywalters
cweiske: good call
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bnvk
cweiske: which form fields?
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cweiske
or marked up with a rel=vcs-git link
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cweiske
bnvk, all
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cweiske
I manually have to click the buttons with the mouse
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barnabywalters
cweiske: ooh, nice, hadn’t come across that one before
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cweiske
gitorious.org uses it
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cweiske
and my git-based pastebin also
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bnvk
mmm... the first three work if you have valid markup on your site- I haven't implement else feedback for if the results are empty
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cweiske
this way you can fork remote repositories by simply pasting their website url
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barnabywalters
cweiske: cool, reminds me a little of the meta values built into Go
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bnvk
cweiske: and yes, they're not actually <form> at the moment- just input + submit, like barnabywalters said, it's a work in progress
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Garbee
rknLA, Well, it really isn't 'motivation' as much as it is not wanting to put it on the VPS with my dads ecommerce site. Just in case I screw up security.
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Garbee
If I had a VPS for myself, it wouldn't be on a shared host.
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Garbee
Oh wait, I can do what I wanted originally.
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Garbee
*facepalm*
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Garbee
I'm going to use github and Jekyll.
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Garbee
I thought removing the MX record for the jonathan subdomain would remove my email for the primary domain. ofc it won't.
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barnabywalters
cweiske: RE phorkie: woah that is cool. there’s potential for a new web action there too — sites with <action do="fork">
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barnabywalters
which then redirects to your vcs interface of choice and forks the code
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tommorris
how was indiewebcamp UK, IRC denizens? :)
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barnabywalters
tommorris: BEST WEEKEND EVER
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waterpigs.co.uk
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tommorris
barnabywalters: glad to hear it.
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cweiske
barnabywalters, I already thought about that
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cweiske
it's the same as the generic reply button
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cweiske
my idea was to use a custom protocol
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cweiske
web+fork://url/of/this/page
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barnabywalters
cweiske: web actions allows you to handle actions using whatever URLs you want, so custom protocols would totally work
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barnabywalters
is the phorkie forking UI pre-fillable using URL parameters?
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cweiske
but that's an idea
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barnabywalters
i.e. phorkie.example.com/fork?url=whatever
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barnabywalters
that’s all that would be required for a fork web action to start working
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barnabywalters
I’ll try to set up a phorkie instance later on this week, maybe send you a pull request
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cweiske
sounds fun
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@aral
‘We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us.’—Marshall McLuhan #indiedata #xo
(twitter.com/_/status/377746983504846849)
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@sqlovesround
RT @aral: ‘We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us.’—Marshall McLuhan #indiedata #xo
(twitter.com/_/status/377747128262488064)
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@Freerange_Inc
RT @aral: ‘We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us.’—Marshall McLuhan #indiedata #xo
(twitter.com/_/status/377747466088890368)
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cweiske
bnvk, I thought that my blog has proper hEntries, but the hentry validation on indiewebify.me fails
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bnvk
cweiske: hmm, your blog very well might- I've haven't implemented nearly enough error / difference handling on indiewebify.me yet
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bnvk
tantek: hey, sorry we missed each other on monday- when / how long you back in Brighton this weekend for?
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@IQAndreas
RT @aral: ‘We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us.’—Marshall McLuhan #indiedata #xo
(twitter.com/_/status/377749232385400832)
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cweiske
barnabywalters et al - last sentence before examples in http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/webhook-payload-formats.htm#form - do you see that as a problem for webmention?
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cweiske
that I can't re-use one script to handle both normal form posts and webmentions, because I'd have to look at the data to decide which data I received?
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cweiske
using a custom content-type header makes that easy
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barnabywalters
cweiske: what’s your use case for using the same endpoint for both?
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cweiske
having to implement a callback endpoint for several APIs, one of them being webmention
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barnabywalters
I don’t see that as a problem personally
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barnabywalters
in fact, it makes it really easy for people to add forms to their websites so people can submit webmentions manually
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barnabywalters
I think adactio did that
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@BarnabyWalters
Really liking the way @adactio adds a webmention sending form to his journal entries — makes it super easy for p… http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4RzBAg/
(twitter.com/_/status/377751047668006912)
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@xtof_fr
#mood:94 (Étude usages #webactions en #quantifiedself : Pas, humeur, poids ...) #ownyourdata #thyself #UX #UI http://christopheducamp.com/w/2013-254
(twitter.com/_/status/377751107771981824)
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@_Ereputation
RT @xtof_fr: #mood:94 (Étude usages #webactions en #quantifiedself : Pas, humeur, poids ...) #ownyourdata #thyself #UX #UI http://t.co/PRN…
(twitter.com/_/status/377751810406383617)
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@FarshadNayeri
RT @aral: ‘We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us.’—Marshall McLuhan #indiedata #xo
(twitter.com/_/status/377752512067289088)
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tantek
bnvk - I'll be back in Brighton sat sun
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bnvk
Ok, cool!
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neuro`
tantek: how's your French trip going?
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tantek
it's good. I haven't been sleeping much so tired.
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neuro`
I hope French taxi drivers are not too assholes
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tommorris
is doing exciting development for a certain blue silo at work.
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@alecperkins
RT @aral: ‘We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us.’—Marshall McLuhan #indiedata #xo
(twitter.com/_/status/377764689486544897)
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tantek
neuro` - so far no taxi. just walking and metro.
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@roundtrip
RT @aral: ‘We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us.’—Marshall McLuhan #indiedata #xo
(twitter.com/_/status/377774340705882112)
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pfefferle
I released a first indieauth plugin for wordpress if someone is interested https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-indieauth
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pfefferle
this version supports only logins… no registration yet
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cweiske
pfefferle, you should urlencode the POST identifier
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cweiske
dito with $token
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pfefferle
oh yes, thanks
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cweiske
also, array_key_exists will throw a warning when the json response is no json
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cweiske
pfefferle, do you have it in use somewhere?
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pfefferle
not yet
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pfefferle
will install it on notizblog.org later
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cweiske
pfefferle, not urldecode
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cweiske
encode
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pfefferle
yes is already updated
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cweiske
s/hickup/hiccup/
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cweiske
you need to encode all url parameters
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cweiske
the redirect url and the token parameter, too
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aaronpk
pfefferle: that's awesome!
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pfefferle
thanks :)
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@jameschurchman
RT @eschnou: I'm sick of companies abusing the terms 'open' and 'free' to market their closed silos apps. #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/377809264863346689)
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@sodrupal
@hedley_smith @aral @drupal #indiedata websites would be an Archipelago / user accounts linkable across sites,distr soc nwk take on facebook
(twitter.com/_/status/377830898160250880)
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@aral
@sodrupal @hedley_smith @drupal Check out what the @indiewebcamp folks are doing — they’ve already got a lot of it working :) #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/377832125565009920)
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@hedley_smith
@aral @sodrupal @drupal @indiewebcamp looks great, an indie social network to compete with FB is needed
(twitter.com/_/status/377834737651712000)
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barnabywalters
!tell tantek original post discovery endpoint now supports redirect resolution of both POSSE links and syndication links, e.g: http://waterpigs.co.uk/services/original-post?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Ft%2Fstatus%2F377834886692098048
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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aaronpk
barnabywalters: hello!
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barnabywalters
good evening aaronpk, are you back in portland now?
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aaronpk
and no jetlag!
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barnabywalters
brilliant to finally meet you+caseorganic over the weekend :)
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aaronpk
agreed!
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barnabywalters
I had some more thoughts about the graph trust cash thing
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aaronpk
oh cool
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barnabywalters
so, the way trust is built between people who don’t know each other is when the graph is cleared and actual money changes hands
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barnabywalters
as in your original experiments
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barnabywalters
I’m still not sure how to handle people who don’t pay up though
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aaronpk
ah, interesting idea
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barnabywalters
so, sticking with our original example
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barnabywalters
you owe me and I owe amber
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barnabywalters
when we get to graph clearing time and money changes hands, I tell you to pay amber and amber that you’ll pay her
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barnabywalters
then the transaction hopefully happens and we all communicate that to each other
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barnabywalters
and now we all trust each other to make transactions more
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barnabywalters
whereas if the transaction didn’t happen
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barnabywalters
then we just carry out the less simplified version of the transaction
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barnabywalters
would that resolve the problem?
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aaronpk
i'll have to think about that. I hadn't considered *actually* making money change hands as part of this system yet!
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: it seems like the fact that money actually changed hands in your original experiments was a key point
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barnabywalters
although it would be great to come up with a system which removes the need althogther
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barnabywalters
s/althogther/altogether
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Loqi
barnabywalters meant to say: although it would be great to come up with a system which removes the need altogether
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aaronpk
yes now that you mention it I think that was the thing that reinforced the trust within the group
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aaronpk
because it forced everyone to cough up cash and show that their debt is actually backed by something
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aaronpk
at our office we're using a cash-less system that doesn't rely on exchanging money
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aaronpk
it's been working pretty well so far
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: documented anywhere?
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aaronpk
only in screenshots
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barnabywalters
heh — if our memories are our identities, when we share our memories do our identities become eroded?
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barnabywalters
oh wow that looks cool
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barnabywalters
so it’s all based around coffee? or is coffee just a unit of currency?
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aaronpk
it started as coffee, but now coffee has turned into currency
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aaronpk
one coffee ~= $3
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aaronpk
so lunch is 2-3 coffees
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barnabywalters
fascinating — does it fluctuate much?
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aaronpk
well, += $0.50 I suppose, but only because of rounding and ease of documentation
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barnabywalters
so this works well because there’s an inherent trust between all the people involved
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aaronpk
like, a $5 lunch will be 2 coffees because there's no way to document a partial coffee and it's close enough
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barnabywalters
and because there’s a central tool and authority presiding over it
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aaronpk
yea, this works because there is a closed group of people using it
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barnabywalters
is the code open source?
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aaronpk
not yet. we need to add a login mechanism first and then we're going to
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aaronpk
but yea, this is not really decentralized at all
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barnabywalters
still pretty cool
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barnabywalters
and lovely UI work
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aaronpk
they did a great job!
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barnabywalters
goodnight all
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Loqi
sleep tight!
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stefek99
just very briefly --> I want to thank you all for a blissful weekend in Brighton - #IndiewebcampUK --> still cannot believe how lucky I am to be here... (thanks)
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Loqi
tantek: barnabywalters left you a message 58 minutes ago: original post discovery endpoint now supports redirect resolution of both POSSE links and syndication links, e.g: http://waterpigs.co.uk/services/original-post?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Ft%2Fstatus%2F377834886692098048
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tantek
!tell barnabywalters excellent! nicely done with the improved original-post-discovery code and service!
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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stefek99
quickly looked at IRC history from yesterday and I was wondering if I can reiterate my question --> browser plugin that will encrypt (clientside) my GoogleDocs and other notes created in any 3rd party app --> nothing groundbreaking in terms of cryptography, just a simple deterrent for opportunistic cases, or a prevention if a service is compromised --> is there anything like this at the moment, any ideas
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@sandeepshetty
Friending as a simple solution for spam? ... http://www.sandeep.io/135 #indieweb #webmention
(twitter.com/_/status/377919004460847104)
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tantek
good to see Sandeep is following along with IRC/discussions and thinking on these issues
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@sandeepshetty
"accepting #webmention on my domain ... sorta maps directly with #pumpio's outbox and inbox" http://www.sandeep.io/136 #indieweb /cc @evanpro
(twitter.com/_/status/377928274535411713)
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@jalbertbowdenii
@tbranyen @facebook zuckerberg and facebook are the unremarkable antichrists of the open web. more opportunities for indieweb missionaries
(twitter.com/_/status/377935840301023232)
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www.sandeep.io
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caseorganic.com
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