#indiewebcamp 2013-10-22

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tantek caseorganic, re: 2008 Twitter Jaiku Federation - that happened at Social Graph FooCamp. Social Web FooCamp was the one in 2009. I did some research and documented some citations: http://indiewebcamp.com/timeline#2008
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tantek and http://indiewebcamp.com/history#2008
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tantek oops she's not here.
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tantek !tell caseorganic re: 2008 Twitter Jaiku Federation - that happened at Social Graph FooCamp. Social Web FooCamp was the one in 2009. I did some research and documented some citations: http://indiewebcamp.com/timeline#2008 and http://indiewebcamp.com/history#2008
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek goodness, I'm only halfway through Amber's video
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@termie @sparkycollier @openfly @t ah, it got more or less put up here: http://indiewebcamp.com/code-of-conduct (twitter.com/_/status/392462397295710208)
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@WaldemirCoelho RT @t: @jeena I favorite by hand. The Loqi bot brings indieweb tweets into our Freenode IRC: http://indiewebcamp.com/IRC Join us! (ttk.me t4Sd2) (twitter.com/_/status/392464362608553984)
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@WaldemirCoelho RT @t: I'm going to IndieWebCamp Hollywood 2013-11-03. http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/Hollywood Want to #ownyourdata? Join us. cc #realtimeconf (ttk.me t4Sd1) (twitter.com/_/status/392464366043664384)
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@WaldemirCoelho RT @t: Sad: @Dopplr ends 2013-11-01 (via @tomcoates). Treat all silos as caches, nothing more. #ownyourdata & POSSE to silos. (ttk.me t4Sb1) (twitter.com/_/status/392464372142178304)
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@WaldemirCoelho RT @t: #pcloud #indieweb talk videos posted by @josephboyle! @benwerd 8m http://www.youtube.com/ @t 5m http://www.youtube.com/ (ttk.me t4SX4) (twitter.com/_/status/392464389678583808)
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@WaldemirCoelho RT @t: Brace yourselves, the spam calendar invitations are coming: https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/389116829920026624 #efail #indieweb original: http://tantek.com/2013/286/t3/brace-yourselves-spam-calendar-invitations-efail (twitter.com/_/status/392464393449275392)
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@WaldemirCoelho RT @t: Well done @aaronpk! Real-time #indieweb comments: http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2013/10/13/1/realtime-indieweb-comments I only mentioned the idea at the ... http://tantek.com/2013/286/t1/real-time-indieweb-comments (twitter.com/_/status/392464398864101376)
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@WaldemirCoelho RT @t: #mozsummit #santaclara #IndieWeb hacking session: * 20:30 *tonight* * Lounge Space (Sedona) bring your laptop & domain (ttk.me t4SP4) (twitter.com/_/status/392464423971205121)
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@WaldemirCoelho RT @t: going to tonight's #IndieWeb Dinner @21stAmendment, 18:00. Hope to see you there! RSVP: http://aaronparecki.com/events/2013/09/30/1/indieweb-dinner-at-21st-amendment (ttk.me t4SJ1) (twitter.com/_/status/392464461283725312)
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@WaldemirCoelho RT @t: Challenge to #pcloud meetup: Write your personal domain on your nametag/badge. At *every* conference. #indieweb (ttk.me t4SD5) (twitter.com/_/status/392464474806181888)
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@WaldemirCoelho RT @t: my talk at tonight's #pcloud on: * #indieweb: http://tantek.com/2013/220/t4/indieweb-principles-ownyourdata-selfdogfood-posse * #indieRSVP: http://tantek.com/2013/268/t2/personal-clouds-gathering-speaking-indieweb (ttk.me t4SD3) (twitter.com/_/status/392464481898741760)
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tantek uh
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@WaldemirCoelho RT @t: going to tonight's Personal Clouds Community Gathering and speaking on #indieweb. http://werd.io/event/52437f31bed7de860cb7d768/personal-clouds-community-gathering-5 #pcloud (ttk.me t4SD2) (twitter.com/_/status/392464484952203264)
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@WaldemirCoelho RT @t: #xoxofest great @jackconte talk & @patreon intro. Any #indieweb bloggers with patrons? E.g. $1 patronage per article? (ttk.me t4SA2) (twitter.com/_/status/392464503704920065)
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@WaldemirCoelho RT @t: going to IndieWebCamp Breakfast 9am Zells near #xoxofest! cc: @skinny @reidab @matthewlevine @kevinmarks RSVP: http://tantek.com/2013/265/t1/indiewebcamp-breakfast-zells-xoxofest-rsvp (twitter.com/_/status/392464506401853440)
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@WaldemirCoelho RT @t: #xoxofest "had written a script for my website so I could type in a little box & have something show up" @ev #indieweb (ttk.me t4S95) (twitter.com/_/status/392464510042521600)
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@WaldemirCoelho RT @t: @ev your talk would be great sans Keynote Why not edit as a @medium draft or on evhead instead? #selfdogfood #indieweb (ttk.me t4S93) (twitter.com/_/status/392464515914534912)
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tantek WTF?
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@WaldemirCoelho RT @t: going to #IndieWebCamp breakfast 9am @theoriginalpdx cc: @benwerd @blaine @daltonc @evanpro @kevinmarks RSVP: http://tantek.com/2013/264/t1/indiewebcamp-breakfast-rsvp (twitter.com/_/status/392464522646401024)
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@WaldemirCoelho RT @t: switched my #OpenID from #myOpenID to #IndieAuth. You should too: http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieAuth#Use_IndieAuth_for_your_OpenID Nice job @aaronpk: http://tantek.com/2013/258/t3/switch-openid-delegate-myopenid-indieauth (twitter.com/_/status/392464557790461952)
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@WaldemirCoelho RT @t: Why web protocols should just use HTTP+params and no XML-RPC: Use a <form> to test: http://gist.github.com/adactio/6575229 #webmention (ttk.me t4S32) (twitter.com/_/status/392464561548177408)
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@WaldemirCoelho RT @t: Great people ideas hacks @IndieWebCampUK. Lots of indie-indie connections #ctrlcmd #menubarapp #webactions #webmention (ttk.me t4Rw2) (twitter.com/_/status/392464606217924608)
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@WaldemirCoelho RT @t: #indieweb @zeldman you can now Reply (and Favorite and Retweet) on notes on my site. No backbutton needed. ... http://tantek.com/2013/251/t1/indieweb-reply-favorite-retweet-notes (twitter.com/_/status/392464609753722880)
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@WaldemirCoelho RT @t: Demonstrating @Falcon @IndieWebCampUK by editing in a text editor. (ttk.me t4Rv1) (twitter.com/_/status/392464612597465088)
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@WaldemirCoelho RT @t: gr8 @k3r3n3 #dConstruct #Hackers talk! called to #HackThePlanet then @adactio noted @IndieWebCampUK Prev * ... http://tantek.com/2013/249/t3/k3r3n3-dconstruct-hackers-hacktheplanet-indiewebcampuk (twitter.com/_/status/392464622890266624)
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@WaldemirCoelho RT @t: Hello Brighton, I am in you. Here for @dConstruct and @IndieWebCampUK! (ttk.me t4Rt1) (twitter.com/_/status/392464634571399168)
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@WaldemirCoelho RT @t: @aral glad you're #ownyourdata blogging :) Counter-examples for you: Consumer OSS: #Firefox #Chrome ... http://tantek.com/2013/243/t2/ownyourdata-examples-oss-firefox-chrome (twitter.com/_/status/392464638405001216)
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@WaldemirCoelho RT @t: @aral @braempje #indieweb #UX-focussed since start. "mainstream" before #selfdogfood is a known anti-pattern: http://tantek.com/2013/243/t1/indieweb-ux-focussed-start (twitter.com/_/status/392464641731088384)
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@WaldemirCoelho RT @t: @braempje the (existing, well-used) hashtag you were looking for is: #ownyourdata @aral, you yourself used it: http://tantek.com/2013/242/t1/existing-well-used-hashtag-ownyourdata (twitter.com/_/status/392464645203955712)
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@WaldemirCoelho RT @t: @jddunn, http://jareddunn.org looks nice. What software / plugins / templates are you using? #indieweb #ux (ttk.me t4Rc2) (twitter.com/_/status/392464648521674752)
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@WaldemirCoelho RT @t: nice @klintron article http://t.co/pDWUEVmuQH! more #indieweb heroes: * co-founders @aaronpk @caseorganic ... http://tantek.com/2013/226/t1/nice-article-more-indieweb-heroes-co-founders (twitter.com/_/status/392464670051016704)
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tantek !spammer WaldemirCoelho
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Loqi Got it! There are now 5 spammers blacklisted
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tantek sorry WaldemirCoelho - you look like a spammer :/
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tantek er, *act* like
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tantek.com edited /timeline (+381) "POSSE concept, term introduction" (view diff)
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Loqi PESOS, more events given dates and moved into place
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tantek !tell caseorganic finally finished watching your talk. WELL DONE. Totally feeling even more inspired by the end. :)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@t Wonderful & inspiring: @caseorganic's #realtimeconf talk: http://vimeo.com/77352414 29:24s video. #indieweb #ownyourdata (ttk.me t4Se1) (twitter.com/_/status/392472245685456896)
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@Kennymorfe RT @t: Wonderful & inspiring: @caseorganic's #realtimeconf talk: http://vimeo.com/77352414 29:24s video. #indieweb #ownyourdata (ttk.me t4Se1) (twitter.com/_/status/392476735314616320)
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@gRegorLove I really enjoyed this talk by @caseorganic about owning our content online. http://vimeo.com/77352414 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/392486728964927488)
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JonathanNeal hello
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acegiak morning!
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JonathanNeal morning!
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JonathanNeal I was having a conversation with a group that doesn't want to post anything on social networks (Facebook, Twitter, etc) because they fear the consequences of losing any rights over their data. I explained that putting anything on the internet lent itself to distribution freedom/chaos, but I wasn't sure how to address the issue. Is anyone here familiar with
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JonathanNeal controlling your data on your site versus a popular social network?
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acegiak JonathanNeal: this is probably the best place to ask, but I'm probably the least qualified person in the channel
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acegiak but the POSSE principle is a cornerstone of the indieweb for that reason
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acegiak because you own the data by posting it to your selfhosted site first, and then it's syndicated to your various social networks
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aaronpk JonathanNeal: is the concern about actual unauthorized copying/distribution of their content? or more about the copyright?
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acegiak the concern here is more about the copyright
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aaronpk in that case, most social networks (including even Medium) don't claim any copyright over data you post there
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aaronpk however, they usually reserve various rights for doing things like re-publishing the ata
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aaronpk medium, for example, is particularly bad, because they reserve the right to use your name and your content for any purpose forever. they could publish a book and use your name and content without ever telling you or giving you anything. however they do not actually claim copyright over your writing.
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JonathanNeal This was the actual concern (just in my own words): "We have an archive. We are careful not to post any text or images or our own logo that is owned by the archive to Facebook. If we do, we lose control. Someone could take an archive photo, add a Nazi symbol, create controversy, and we would have no rights over that content." I thought the whole thing seemed
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JonathanNeal like a fear of the internet.
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acegiak that's pretty much fear of the internet, yeah
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aaronpk ok then they're pretty much SOL about publishing anything ever, even offline
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acegiak or speaking in public
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aaronpk or writing anything down
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JonathanNeal Okay, what I took away from it was 1. We don't understand how copyright works but we have things we own, and 2. We don't know what happens to content on our website versus a social network in real life, the TOS says we lose all rights.
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JonathanNeal aaronpk: i know, right?
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aaronpk the TOS rarely ever says you lose all rights
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JonathanNeal This is a historical society for Orange County, CA.
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JonathanNeal The median age is probably 60/70+
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aaronpk well i'm done with this conversation
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JonathanNeal Well, if they post to their site, then to Facebook, is that any different than posting to Facebook first?
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aaronpk sort of
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aaronpk it's more of a difference on twitter
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aaronpk someone posts a tweet, the author retains copyright ownership, but twitter has a license to display it on their site. twitter also has a license to let other people display/embed that tweet in other sites as long as they follow twitter's "display guidelines"
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aaronpk so if I want to re-publish a tweet on my site, I have to follow twitter's rules since I don't have my own relationship with the tweet author
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JonathanNeal I see.
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aaronpk now, if they had posted that content on their own site, they can choose whatever license they want tfor that content, allowing anyone to re-publish it without regards to the twitter displya guidelines
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@vcastera RT @t: Wonderful & inspiring: @caseorganic's #realtimeconf talk: http://vimeo.com/77352414 29:24s video. #indieweb #ownyourdata (ttk.me t4Se1) (twitter.com/_/status/392495420787941376)
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aaronpk would a concrete example help?
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JonathanNeal aaronpk: I hope to make a flow chart.
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aaronpk this is one of the reasons barnaby made the php-mf2-shim which can "screen-scrape" tweets
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aaronpk because we technically can't re-publish content from twitter if it's accessed via their API, since as a developer you agree to the twitter TOS when you get an API key
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JonathanNeal Whoa.
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JonathanNeal I've always wondered what rules I'm breaking with viewsource.in
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aaronpk can't re-publish without following the display guidelines*
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JonathanNeal Is there an easy-to-absorb pamphlet/chart/blog explaining the differences in rights between the indieweb => social versus the social => indieweb?
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aaronpk hopefully what I said made sense, if not an example might help.
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aaronpk not sure how i'd condense that into a chart form though
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JonathanNeal I hope that I can take what you've said, pose it back to that org as a question, and get back a more concrete concern to address.
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JonathanNeal So, you've been very helpful. You've taken a long meta conversation I had and helped chip it down to the essentials. Plus, you've more-or-less said that if someone posts a picture on Facebook, the rights of that photo aren't terribly worse than the photo ending up online in the first place.
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@joshwnj I hope my daughter can grow up in a world where personal info belongs to the person not to a corporation http://www.youtube.com/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/392499046201311232)
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JonathanNeal Humorous slicing of the url there.
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Loqi caseorganic: tantek left you a message 2 hours, 49 minutes ago: re: 2008 Twitter Jaiku Federation - that happened at Social Graph FooCamp. Social Web FooCamp was the one in 2009. I did some research and documented some citations: http://indiewebcamp.com/timeline#2008 and http://indiewebcamp.com/history#2008
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Loqi caseorganic: tantek left you a message 2 hours, 1 minute ago: finally finished watching your talk. WELL DONE. Totally feeling even more inspired by the end. :)
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@xtof_fr RT @t: Wonderful & inspiring: @caseorganic's #realtimeconf talk: http://vimeo.com/77352414 29:24s video. #indieweb #ownyourdata (ttk.me t4Se1) (twitter.com/_/status/392501103344222208)
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JonathanNeal aaronpk: thank you again
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aaronpk JonathanNeal: you're welcome :)
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aaronpk really needing dopplr right now
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aaronpk the next 2 months of amber and my travels are absolutely insane, and reallly need a way to share plans with people to help schedule stuff
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tantek aaronpk - yeah
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tantek I realized one of the things I miss from Dopplr already - asymmetric private sharing
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aaronpk interesting
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aaronpk that seems to be already replicated with the way barnaby and I have implemented private posts, right?
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aaronpk I think I might actually go write up my travel plans as a private post on my site so I can share it with individual people
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tantek not quite - with Dopplr you received an automatic aggregation of those private posts, and your private posts would be auto-sent to those you said it was ok to share with
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aaronpk will be unstructured data, just human readable for now
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aaronpk "auto-sent" as in emailed? or visible in the web interface?
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tantek visible in the web interface, though the emails were incredibly clever too
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tantek so much good design went into it
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acegiak what was the name of the google service that let you quickly create web applications? it's on the tip of my tongue
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acegiak appengine!
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tantek is this the first indieweb event post? http://werd.io/event/51c94deebed7de5c2386a1b4/unofficial-portland-post-indiewebcamp-meetup
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caseorganic !tell tantek: thanks! it's really great that you enjoyed it!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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tantek :)
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Loqi tantek: caseorganic left you a message 11 seconds ago: thanks! it's really great that you enjoyed it!
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caseorganic tantek: an, you are here!
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tantek :D
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caseorganic tantek: aaron told me you spent a bunch of time adding pieces from the talk to the wiki
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tantek yes - as well as doing more background research on them and adding even more specific citations, dates etc.
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caseorganic tantek: great - i've been reading some of the changes. this is fantastic
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tantek so hopefully you're able to take those and incorporate into the next iterations
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caseorganic tantek: first i am going to consolidate the talk and fix bits
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tantek fascinating - was Bret's RSVP the first cross-site indieweb RSVP? http://bret.io/2013/06/25/t2/
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caseorganic tantek: then i am going to review feedback and integrate for the next talk
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tantek (on that same event)
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tantek caseorganic - great!
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caseorganic tantek: then i will practice on the customary 20 people from different demographics to ensure people from different backgrounds will understand
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aaronpk tantek: yes I believe bret was the first to RSVP. mine came later cause I had more CMS infrastructure to add before I could add the rsvp markup :/
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tantek aaronpk - it's cool, it's nice to spread around the firsts ;)
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aaronpk also speaks well to having as light a CMS as possible :)
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tantek yes it does
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tantek.com edited /timeline (+423) "more things to look up, indieweb posts for receiving webmention/favorites/reposts, and same for sending." (view diff)
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cweiske seems Loqi sends out linkbacks from the irc logs
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cweiske I received it. no idea if it was a webmention or a pingback, though
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Loqi dude
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Jihaisse Hello
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acegiak dobby: wow or minecraft?
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acegiak wrong channel, sorry
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Loqi pfefferle: barnabywalters left you a message 4 days, 10 hours ago: looks like there might be a bug with sempress/wordpress mf2 plugin causing mf2 classnames and classic mf fallback classnames to be on different elements, documented here: http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing-issues#mixture_of_microformats2_and_classic_microformats_classnames_on_different_elements — any ideas?
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acegiak pfefferle: yeah sorry for bugging you about that on pretty much every channel of communication
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pfefferle no problem :)
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acegiak I've been ekeing through the sourcecode and can't figure it
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pfefferle tell barnabywalters yes, acegiak already send me an email… it's because the microformats support is part of the WordPress core and the classes are not that well placed to support comments or reply-contexts… I will try to move the core classes to the same tag as the mf2 classes...
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acegiak pfefferle: I did not know about the wordpress core bit
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pfefferle yes, post_class() and body_class() sets things like hfeed and hentry automattically
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pfefferle but not in a very comfortable way
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pfefferle hfeed is for example always used… if it is a archive page or a single...
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pfefferle but there are some filters to change the output… will try to move the mf classes to the same level as the mf2 classes
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pfefferle acegiak can you please create an issue on github? that I don't forget to fix it!
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acegiak pfefferle: sure thing
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pfefferle thanks
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Jihaisse pfefferle: Have you made some "reply-context" with wordpress ?
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pfefferle not yet… not that easy if it should work with all themes...
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Jihaisse I don't even kown how to make this
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Jihaisse pfefferle: maybe starting with sempress
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pfefferle maybe ;)
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Jihaisse does it will require a new content type ?
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pfefferle no, i think it would be enough to add some actions to the right places
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Jihaisse with fields like url, quote, etc...
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Jihaisse ok
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pfefferle ah ok, I know what you are thinking
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pfefferle that would also be possible without custom post types
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Loqi [@mcepl] Yay! #Indieauth supports Mozilla #Persona ! Thanks! (just put your email as mailto: URL
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Loqi yes, you will have your plaintext email on web). (http://twtr.io/dxKhX8t63j)
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pfefferle but i don't think the reply-context should be core part of the theme, but the theme should provide all possibilities to add the functionality with a plugin
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acegiak Jihaisse: I've hacked reply-context into my version of sempress
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acegiak I'm using custom fields for that though and I'm not 100% on the implementation
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pfefferle acegiak ah there i have seen it! I will have a look at your fork and will add some actions to the places you hacked in the reply context so we could merge your code into a seperate plugin
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acegiak pfefferle: oh! so creating custom actions is a thing we can do? rad. I wasn't sure how to do it
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pfefferle so other theme authors can also use it by adding the right actions
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pfefferle yes
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acegiak yeah
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pfefferle do_action("before_content");
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pfefferle that's all :)
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pfefferle http://codex.wordpress.org/Function_Reference/do_action
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acegiak ah, cool
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pfefferle can you also add an issue to the theme with a link to your fork, that I won't forget it?
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pfefferle on github
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acegiak pfefferle: sure, just gimme a minute
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pfefferle no problem
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Jihaisse pfefferle: yes, creating a plugin is a good way I think
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Jihaisse what is an "action" ?
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pfefferle WordPress has filters and actions
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pfefferle filters allowing you to modify the output
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Jihaisse yes
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pfefferle and actions are fired at a specific moment so you can echo something for example
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pfefferle you are using an action to echo the rel-me links in the indieauth-links plugin
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Jihaisse hum. ok
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Jihaisse :D
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pfefferle add_actions let's you hook into an action
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Jihaisse copy paste is my friend
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Jihaisse ;)
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pfefferle and do_action fires the action
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Jihaisse ok
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Jihaisse I have proposed indieauth-links to wordpress.org
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Jihaisse I'm waiting
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pfefferle nice!
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acegiak pfefferle: I'm just having a go at fixing the hentry thing myself now i know the issue
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acegiak is there are major reason we're leaving all the default classes in_single() == true?
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pfefferle no
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pfefferle i am using two filters sempress_get_post_classes for the post_classes and sempress_body_classes for the body classes
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pfefferle i think these two are the best points to remove or add the h-entry
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pfefferle i mean the hentry
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acegiak pfefferle: fixed it
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acegiak at least, removed hentry
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acegiak pfefferle: should I just create a pull request on github?
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pfefferle can you give me the link first?
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acegiak sure
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pfefferle I am curious
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pfefferle ;)
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acegiak https://github.com/acegiak/SemPress
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acegiak oh I'lfind the change
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acegiak https://github.com/acegiak/SemPress/commit/fae2282e1ca17df4a1c72efc79deb5b31009f490
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acegiak there
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acegiak pfefferle: I should look up to see if there's a defacto standard custom action that is appropriate to use for the reply_context stuff
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pfefferle but that will also remove all other classes
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acegiak what, the change i posted? no it wont
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pfefferle the post_class is returning a lot more than only hentry
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acegiak in lets through all classes != 'hentry'
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acegiak it's running on acegiak.machinespirit.net now
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pfefferle classes is an array of classes
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pfefferle i tied it like that https://github.com/pfefferle/SemPress/blob/master/sempress/functions.php#L503
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pfefferle and moved it to https://github.com/pfefferle/SemPress/blob/master/sempress/functions.php#L536
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pfefferle so it will be added to the same level as h-entry
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pfefferle hmmm perhaps it's the anonymous function that won't work on my dev system
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acegiak possible
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pfefferle but I think we should avoid them because WordPress is still requiring php 4.3 !!!
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pfefferle I am not sure if they are checking wordpress themes on 4.3 compatibility
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acegiak kk, shall I change it to a named function?
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pfefferle have you seen the changes i made?
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pfefferle is that ok for you?
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pfefferle just commited them
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acegiak oh ill look
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pfefferle the links to the line numbers are above
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pfefferle bbiab
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acegiak pfefferle: looks like you're still passing back all the default classes when is_single()
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pfefferle yes
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pfefferle but removing the hentry
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acegiak oh
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acegiak line 504 not 503
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acegiak I see
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acegiak cool cool
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Jihaisse pfefferle: I would like to modify the css of sempress, but just for me
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Jihaisse I have to create a child theme ?
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pfefferle that's one option or have you tried the custom css feature of jetpack?
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pfefferle http://jetpack.me
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Jihaisse pfefferle: is jetpack not too much ?
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Jihaisse seems overkill
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pfefferle if you only want to use the custom css, yes!
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pfefferle http://wordpress.org/plugins/search.php?q=custom+css
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pfefferle but there are some other
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Jihaisse pfefferle: I saw a indieweb version of jetpack, no ?
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Jihaisse don't remember where
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pfefferle I am working on something like that
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pfefferle it should list all indieweb plugins and how to install them
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pfefferle https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-indieweb
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Jihaisse pfefferle: ok, just the begining :)
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pfefferle yes
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pfefferle :)
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Jihaisse and a one click button to install them ?
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pfefferle if they are on the wordpress directory yes!
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Jihaisse cool
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acegiak pfefferle: it annoys me how out of synch our timezoes are
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pfefferle indeed
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acegiak makes it hard to collaborate on wordpress stuff.
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acegiak anyway i must hit the sack. night
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pfefferle good night acegiak
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Loqi night night
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pfefferle barnabywalters it's because the microformats support is part of the WordPress core and the classes are not that well placed to support comments or reply-contexts… should be fixed now!
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barnabywalters morning pfefferle — good to know, thanks!
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barnabywalters so wordpress injects classic mf classnames in via PHP instead of having them in themes?
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barnabywalters I suppose that makes them more likely to stick around, or more portable between themes
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pfefferle there are two functions to profide semantic class names… one for the body and one for every post… and the one for the posts always adds hentry...
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barnabywalters ah, so when you’re adding h-entry to the body it gets duplicated
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pfefferle yes
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pfefferle but I changed the core functions to use hentry on the same level as h-entry
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barnabywalters pfefferle: is that change deployed?
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pfefferle on single pages it is the body and on archive pages the article-tag
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pfefferle only on github
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barnabywalters if it is I’ll mark that issue as resolved and document it
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pfefferle not on the wordpress directory
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barnabywalters how about on your site?
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pfefferle wait a minute
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pfefferle now it is
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barnabywalters pfefferle: great, documented and resolved :) http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing-issues#mixture_of_microformats2_and_classic_microformats_classnames_on_different_elements — feel free to add any extra info if you think it’d be useful
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pfefferle ok, will have a look at it
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Jihaisse barnabywalters: Have you seen that facebook change the way they create links ?
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barnabywalters Jihaisse: nope, I haven’t — they’ve stopped using onclick javascript?
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Jihaisse barnabywalters: exactly
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Jihaisse barnabywalters: regex ;)
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barnabywalters wait, what?
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barnabywalters weird
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Jihaisse barnabywalters: no, they don't use regex
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Jihaisse the plugin should
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Jihaisse to get rid of the facebook.com/l.php
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Jihaisse if I don't know what to do, I will have a look
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cweiske does someone of you run their own search tool specifically for your own website (instead of relying on google)?
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barnabywalters hi cweiske — did you get my webmention?
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cweiske from indiewebcamp.com irc logs? yes, I did
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barnabywalters oh right, I sent one from waterpigs.co.uk too
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cweiske oh.
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cweiske I didn't get that one
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barnabywalters I’ll dig through my logs and see if I can figure out why
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cweiske 94.76.254.5 - - [21/Oct/2013:22:19:28 +0200] "POST /stapibas/xmlrpc.php HTTP/1.1" 400 458 "-" "Guzzle/3.7.4 curl/7.21.0 PHP/5.4.20-1~dotdeb.0"
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cweiske 7
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cweiske that's you
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cweiske at least your website is running on that IP
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cweiske so my tool sent a 400, bad request
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barnabywalters oh yep, that’s from me
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barnabywalters interesting — is xmlrpc.php your webmention endpoint or did taproot find the pingback one?
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cweiske both
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pdurbin cweiske: http://www.elasticsearch.org
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cweiske I receive both pingback and webmention on the same script
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barnabywalters okay, so discovery probably worked. I’ll try sending manually
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cweiske my lib handles that
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barnabywalters cool
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cweiske pdurbin, that's usable as backend, but I miss the whole frontend and crawling
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pdurbin cweiske: http://nutch.apache.org
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barnabywalters cweiske: I’m getting a no link found error
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barnabywalters when sending that webmention
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cweiske yes, I check if you link to me
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cweiske and only then accept the webmention
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barnabywalters does http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4SeLKU/ not link to you?
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cweiske err, it does
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cweiske so my link checking code might be broken
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cweiske can you give me the curl command you used?
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barnabywalters curl http://cweiske.de/stapibas/xmlrpc.php -id "source=http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4SeLKU/&target=http://cweiske.de/"
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cweiske you link to http://cweiske.de but say the target is http://cweiske.de/
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cweiske with a slash
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cweiske hm
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cweiske I should automatically add a slash to domain names internally
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Loqi agreed.
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barnabywalters oh, oops
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cweiske pdurbin, but you don't use it yourself?
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barnabywalters my bad
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pdurbin cweiske: I use Lucene, which underlies both of those
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barnabywalters cweiske: so I tried sending the webmention without the slash, and I get “The specified target URI is not allowed as target.”
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cweiske yes
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cweiske because I only allow webmentions to my domains http://cweiske.de/% and http://%.cweiske.de/%
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cweiske so the slash has to be in there :)
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pdurbin cweiske: an guy I know online uses a port of Lucene in C: http://lucy.apache.org
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cweiske which is a config issue I think
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cweiske barnabywalters, try again
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barnabywalters yay! sent correctly
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Loqi giggles
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cweiske mail came in
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cweiske http://p.cweiske.de/60
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cweiske so it seems I have to normalize incoming URLs
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cweiske pdurbin, we use regain @work as intranet search engine
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cweiske but it's a pain to manage and it needs quite some RAM
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barnabywalters cweiske: why? pretty sure the first webmention I sent (automated) would have succeeded if cweiske.de without the trailing slash was an accepted URL
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cweiske and you have to restart it every night
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pdurbin looks at http://regain.sourceforge.net
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cweiske barnabywalters, yes
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pdurbin based on lucene
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cweiske but it's hard to tell users that they have to add two allowed URLs, one with and one without slash
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barnabywalters cweiske: I just parse the URL and make sure the domain matches *.?waterpigs.co.uk
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cweiske I have a database table with a list of allowed URLs
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barnabywalters if you normalise the incoming URL then you also have to apply the same normalisation to all the URLs in the document you check it against
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cweiske yep
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barnabywalters actually I just realised the behaviour when the source URL redirects somewhere is not defined
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barnabywalters or the target for that matter
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barnabywalters anyway, congratulations cweiske for getting webmention accepting working!
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cweiske :)
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barnabywalters you should add yourself to http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention#Implementations
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Loqi I agree
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barnabywalters or update your “in progress” paragraph
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barnabywalters oh, looks like http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention#checking_target_validity covers redirect behaviour
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barnabywalters so the official spec doesn’t cover it but the wiki does
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cweiske.de edited /webmention (+112) "/* IndieWeb implementations */" (view diff)
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Jihaisse just installed shaarli : http://sebsauvage.net/wiki/doku.php?id=php:shaarli
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cweiske the cool thing was that I could enable webmention+pingback headers on half a dozen domains by just adding a apache include to each vhost
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tantek that is pretty cool
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cweiske Include /etc/apache2/sites-available/cweiske/includes/linkback.conf
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cweiske Header set X-Pingback "http://cweiske.de/stapibas/xmlrpc.php"
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cweiske Header set Link '<http://cweiske.de/stapibas/xmlrpc.php>
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cweiske rel="webmention"'
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barnabywalters cweiske: nice! that’d be a useful code snippet to document
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cweiske rel="webmention http://webmention.org/"
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cweiske is that valid?
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cweiske two values?
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barnabywalters cweiske: yep, rel is defined as a set of space-separated tokens
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cweiske oh
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cweiske http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/document-metadata.html#attr-link-rel
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tantek cweiske indeed that is valid, and benwerd started doing that recently in his link tag
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cweiske http://werd.io/entry/52661a29bed7de97432379ef/why-i-support-unions-and-the-bartstrike
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cweiske still has two of them
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cweiske but I'll have to support it in my lib
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tantek oh odd - maybe he changed it
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tantek tentatively thinking of doing an indieweb meetup tonight in SF
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cweiske barnabywalters, does your webmention client send out an accept: header?
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barnabywalters cweiske: mmm, I don’t think so
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cweiske then your webmention to me wouldn't have worked, as currently it doesn't know if it should send a html or json response
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cweiske it would have accepted it internally, but your client would have gotten a 406
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cweiske maybe I should send out a 204 no content in this case
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barnabywalters cweiske: why not default to something?
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barnabywalters e.g. HTML
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cweiske why? if your client doesn't understand it, I shouldn't send it
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barnabywalters do any clients do anything other than logging error messages?
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cweiske probably not
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barnabywalters so more information is probably better then less
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barnabywalters you could always default to plain text, which in unlikely to cause any problems wherever it shows up
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barnabywalters cweiske: from the webmention spec: If the WebMention request was successful, the server MUST reply with an HTTP 202 Accepted response code.
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cweiske this is wrong. 202 means "accepted and not processed yet"
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cweiske my server processes it directly
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barnabywalters I think v0.2 specifies that 202 is for async, 200 for sync
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barnabywalters but regardless, it must be a 2XX code if the webmention was successful
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cweiske so I'll default to text
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JonathanNeal 'morning / 'noon / 'vening / 'ght
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barnabywalters mafternoon JonathanNeal
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tantek barnabywalters - could you add that clarification about "202 is for async, 200 for sync" to the webmention wiki page?
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tantek let's keep the wikipage up to date, regardless of the state of webmention.org
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barnabywalters tantek: working on /webmention in a min
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JonathanNeal hi barnabywalters
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /webmention (+337) "/* Issues */ added remarks about plaintext, HTML for in-browser sending" (view diff)
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JonathanNeal Are there any stats for how many indie web campers are running x, y, and/or z? like apache, nginx, ruby, node, php, cake, wordpress, drupal, etc?
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tantek JonathanNeal - none that I know of
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tantek you could check folks' user pages to see what they say
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tantek my web hosting provider switched me over from Apache to Lightspeed recently.
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tantek JonathanNeal - the closest is the projects page: http://indiewebcamp.com/projects
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tantek which lists who is running which project
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waterpigs.co.uk edited /webmention (+308) "/* Implementation Notes */ noted 2XX success status codes, sync/async differences" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /projects (-42) "/* WordPress */ aaronpk "blog" link goes to his main p3k articles page, no more wordpress there." (view diff)
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JonathanNeal thanks tantek
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aaronpk cweiske: actually I sent that one manually, was a webmention
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cweiske ok
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tantek.com created /User:Jere.my (+70) "stub with an h-card" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /projects (+1161) "grammar fixes, tag instances of selfdogfooding to make it more obvious just how many projects here are being selfdogfooded, Falcon description, lists" (view diff)
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bjb.io created /2014/Brooklyn (+1160) "Created page with "This is a placeholder page for the 2014 Brooklyn IndieWebCamp. '''When''': TBD, I'm thinking early Spring? NYC can be miserable in the winter. '''Where''': Brooklyn! Some optio..."" (view diff)
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tantek awesome!
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tantek brianloveswords - awesome!
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tantek we should sync-up - some folks at NYT want to help too - likely with hosting
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brianloveswords tantek: oh awesome!
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Loqi I agree
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tantek so if you don't mind it being 2014/NYC :)
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tantek (around same timeframe spring/April)
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tantek let's join forces!
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brianloveswords haha, yeah, I think I can make that my bi-yearly pilgrimage across the river.
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tantek :D
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tantek.com edited /timeline (+59) "/* 2004 */ edit for single-line list items, specific dates, citations" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /timeline (+55) "/* See Also */ microformats history - can get indieweb building blocks from there" (view diff)
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cweiske sending webmentions+pingback to live http hosts brings up all sorts of funny errors
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cweiske status code 411
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cweiske 302 xmlrpc.php moved
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cweiske the old known ""[x-hacker] => If you're reading this, you should visit automattic.com/jobs and apply to join the fun, mention this header.
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tantek cute
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cweiske Status code 401, web password required
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cweiske Exception: Malformed response:
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cweiske Status code 503,
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cweiske [via] => 1.0 banana.canonical.com:3128
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cweiske consider me in the sending-webmentions club :)
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@Ashley_Says Photo: Val is a G. #docket32357 #indie #indiefilm #indiewebseries #indieweb #newyork #nyc #nycactor #actor... http://ashleyally.tumblr.com/post/64800008846/val-is-a-g-docket32357-indie-indiefilm#_=_ (twitter.com/_/status/392751218847940609)
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tantek so we've got indieweb events and RSVPs pretty well figured out, per /event and /rsvp
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tantek so here's a proposal for indieweb event invitations/invites:
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tantek in your event post, list who you have invited by h-card (e.g. name, URL, logo) - as many other event systems do
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tantek and then have your event permalink send webmentions to people's personal sites as listed
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tantek so now the only remaining question is, does the h-card reference (and link to a person being invited) need a special rel value or not?
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tantek like rel="invitee" could work
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tantek or as an h-event extension: u-invitee
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tantek (for just URLs)
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tantek or a p-invitee h-card for full embedded person structure
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Loqi [mention] http://lifestreamblog.com/my-experience-and-highlights-from-the-2013-quantified-self-global-conference/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (pingback)
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aaronpk if no invitee property, would have to assume that all h-cards on the page are invites, which seems not quite right to me
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bret !tell caseorganic Fantastic talk at Realtime conf! Just finished watching it.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek aaronpk - indeed - hence the need for explicit markup
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bret tantek: RE ages ago. I wrote to harry halpin about those errors, but never sent the email XD It was sitting in my drafts box the whole time. I just sent it as of right now
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tantek bret - hah!
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tantek hope it gets fixed :)
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bret I'm posting my email on my site in case it never does :/
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tantek I've written up a brainstorm on event invitations here, including markup and protocol for sending invitation webmentions and the full flow to writing RSVPs return webmentions etc. http://microformats.org/wiki/h-event-brainstorming#Invitations
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tantek thoughts?
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bret I'll check it out
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Loqi caseorganic: bret left you a message 48 minutes ago: Fantastic talk at Realtime conf! Just finished watching it.
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bret !tell tantek Here are the corrections I made, hopfully not too full of spelling errors. http://bret.io/2013/10/22/osfw3c-report-errata/
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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bret wants indieauth on microformats.org. Looks up password again
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_6a68 i'm having a hard time undrestanding which indieweb tools are actively developed
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_6a68 for instance, there are a bunch of projects under the indieweb github repo, but many seem dormant
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bret _6a68: all of the iwc github repos are made up of small tools or building blocks
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_6a68 nods
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bret basically, at this point, you need to have your own project you use to publish on the web with
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bret it could be wordpress, it could be completely custom
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aaronpk but yea a lot of those aren't active anymore. the indieweb repo started with sandeep forking a bunch of other ppls repos
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bret oh hrm
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bret i assumed it came out of 2012 IWC
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_6a68 well, my situation is, i have a couple personal blogs and twitter
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_6a68 i'd like to POSSE all that stuff, but it's kinda slow going understanding what tools are available
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bret so its not going to be a single plugin at this point, especially with something like POSSE
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_6a68 i mean, i write code, that's no problem
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bret what do you use to blog with, right now
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_6a68 it's just hard to see what pieces are really usable, and which are somebody's one-off
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_6a68 for my geek blog, i pre-render html with docco. for my photo blog, tumblr.
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bret _6a68: a good way to judge that is commit activity, so you are right many of those are stale, the other way is to see who is using what
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_6a68 nods
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bret _6a68: do you want to stick with docco?
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_6a68 yeah, i use nodejs a lot, so i've learned the art of divining whether something on github is bitrotty
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peat hah
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bret :D
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bret haha
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_6a68 bret: not necessarily, but static files are fine for me
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bret i do static, but I dont do any POSSE
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_6a68 i've got a long-standing todo to put the generated files on a CDN
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bret _6a68: static is great, many folks here are working against the database antipattern
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bret not all though, thats up to you
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_6a68 bret: yeah, after years of worrying about php/mysql causing my box to get pwned, it's such a relief using flat files :-)
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peat ... I'm up on S3 with peat.org. Love it.
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@brianpagan The indie web and quantified self: @aaronpk shows what the future could be http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2013/10/11/1/the-future-of-quantified-self-devices #QS #POSSE #OwnYourData (twitter.com/_/status/392789417552662528)
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bret _6a68: start with what you want to do most
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_6a68 bret: :-) you've been more patient than I can rightly expect on IRC
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bret if thats helping with pure indiweb federated comments on your own site, then I would start there (probrably the easiest right now)
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_6a68 I stumbled in here feeling a bit frustrated that there's no clear way to go, I appreciate the encouragement
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bret fo sho!
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bret best irc channel evar
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bret :p
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_6a68 :-)
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_6a68 i guess the answer is, "build the thing you want and share it", so i'd better plan that out
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bret POSSE is something I would talk to tantek, aaronpk, and barnabywalters about
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bret the thing is that the only code they will share with you are simple atomic peices for a larger project
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_6a68 lol, perhaps that explains why i didn't find a pretty monolithic project in the wiki
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bret you could try story tellr or idno, but those are probrably going to be harder to twist to your own needs
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_6a68 thanks for the suggestions, it's much appreciated
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bret _6a68: projects like diaspora are great, but they fall prey to http://indiewebcamp.com/monoculture
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bret people are very unlikely to just jump ship to a new platform
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benwerd wakes up
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benwerd idno is designed to build on top of, if you don't mind building in PHP
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_6a68 bret: thanks for the link, that's one wiki page i hadn't read yet
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acegiak php these days has all these things that I find very intimidating
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poppy yeah, this sounds like a case for idno, was just reading backscroll
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bret dont get me wrong benwerd, its built to be extensible, but jumping into a large codebase you are unfamiliar with is never quite as empowering as doing everything yourself
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benwerd bret: totally agree
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bret thats the point i was trying to make
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_6a68 benwerd: cool, i'll have a look. havent touched php in a while.
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_6a68 acegiak: i agree, php exceeded its complexity budget long ago. but so does every language that doesn't die off
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bret however, what you are building is tremendosly important!
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benwerd btw, if anyone's in the SF Bay Area and at a loose end tonight: http://werd.io/event/526705b4bed7dedc23022c02/an-indieweb-catchup-over-food-and-drink
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bret ps i opened a twitter account finally
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aaronpk whaaa
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bret hah
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pdurbin acegiak: intimidating?
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bret i feel super guilty, but i justified it that I will manually posse to it for a while
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bret with that*
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acegiak pdurbin: I'm used to editing my php live and using includes if I want to bring in an extra script
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_6a68 bret: dude, enjoy it while it lasts, post-IPO twitter is not gonna look pretty
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acegiak all this stuff with libraries and composer and stuff is currently beyond me
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pdurbin acegiak: well, your includes will still work :)
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bret _6a68: ha! I dont rely upon it in anyway, but it has a serious developer network on it, and i should really practice what I preach.
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_6a68 bret: yeah, i actually quit twitter last month because of brain overflow
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bret _6a68: for your existing website, this should help get you started.
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bret http://indiewebify.me/
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poppy aaronpk: re: your QS article, Singly was originally built do what you speak of
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benwerd bret: username?
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bret not sure if its totally working yet
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acegiak oh yeah, my stuff still works, I just feel like I have a huge amount of learning to do before I can make use of other people's stuff
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bret https://twitter.com/bretolius
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poppy * to do
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aaronpk poppy: yeah, Jeremie wanted to talk with me about it
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_6a68 poppy | aaronpk: it's funny, i was just going to ask about singly/lockerproject
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poppy apparently singly was bought, good for them
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bret _6a68: do you have a better idea now?
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_6a68 bret: yeah, thanks! i already added myself to the iwc wiki, so my homepage is marked up. i need to read the microformats2 stuff next, i think.
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bret Pick a goal, break it out into acheivable milestones (even if its just adding a link to a page). Try to work on things that help create imediate value for yourself
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_6a68 :-)
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bret and then tell us about it!
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bret <3
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aaronpk bret++
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Loqi bret has 4 karma
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bret :D
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_6a68 Loqi cracks me up
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Loqi who, me?
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bret yeah dorkus
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_6a68 lol
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@benwerd An #Indieweb catchup over food and drink: http://werd.io/event/526705b4bed7dedc23022c02/an-indieweb-catchup-over-food-and-drink (twitter.com/_/status/392793301595615232)
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bret maaaan have fun guys
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aaronpk is too far away to make it
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bret aaronpk: you and amber out of town?
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aaronpk at esri hq
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bret the mothership
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aaronpk oh man twitter is getting aggressive.
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barnabywalters Aggressive?
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aaronpk just got a push notification that a friend followed someone else
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bret aww man, can you not change the background on your twitter profile anymore?
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aaronpk why is that a push notification
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aaronpk WHY
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barnabywalters Oh wow
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bret you must know
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barnabywalters I got an email a while ago saying that someone favourites a tweet I was mentioned in
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aaronpk yeah i've been getting those too
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_6a68 the notificaiton settings page is inscrutable these days
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barnabywalters Then I finally managed to persuade twitter to stop emailing me
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_6a68 there are like 20 checkboxes now
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aaronpk i have too many twitter accounts, I can't log in to all of them to change all the settings
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Loqi CHANGE ALL THE SETTINGS http://loqi.me/87g
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Loqi tantek: bret left you a message 51 minutes ago: Here are the corrections I made, hopfully not too full of spelling errors. http://bret.io/2013/10/22/osfw3c-report-errata/
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_6a68 aaronpk: time to write some selenium automation
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aaronpk hah
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icco benwerd, I feel like I need to implement RSVPing in my server before I can attend this event.
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acegiak yo, what is the opinion on h-entry with div for in-reply-to h-cite but no e-content div?
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bret lol, just do uf2 markup and manual webmention curl
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bret for today
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barnabywalters tantek: I asked brian about tweet cc — he stopped working on it because of twitters API changes making things awkward, he didn’t know Andy had completely turned it off though
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acegiak I'm trying to work out how to format u-like posts
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benwerd icco: ha! You could do what bret says, or just reply, or just come anyway ;)
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bret then you will have a better ide to get your server doing it automatically
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bret idea*
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_6a68 barnabywalters: heh, that is slightly awkward
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icco bret, that sounds like far too smart of a way to do things
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aaronpk bret++
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aaronpk that's how you got to be the first indieweb rsvp :)
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bret heheh
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bret ben and i worked on that! it was such a natural progression from the cross site commenting
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bret heeyyoo twitter crashed my browser already
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barnabywalters bret: You should install http://WaterPigs.co.uk/extension/weave
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bret i have a reason to now!
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_6a68 what's that? I get "No route found for "GET /extension/weave""
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bret i will barnabywalters, that thing is such an awsome polyfill
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@t going to #Indieweb meetup tonight 19:30, Papalote on 24th http://werd.io/event/526705b4bed7dedc23022c02/an-indieweb-catchup-over-food-and-drink #html5devconf #realtimeconf, join us! (ttk.me t4Sf1) (twitter.com/_/status/392796238896451584)
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barnabywalters Oops, try http://waterpigs.co.uk/extensions/weave
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_6a68 ooh nice!
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_6a68 dang, nice choice of font
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barnabywalters Goodnight all
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Loqi goodnight!
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bret bye barnabywalters!
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bret woot, manual posse https://twitter.com/bretolius/status/392797460382248960
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@bretolius @HenrikJoreteg Thanks for making awesome tools that enable this kind of thing! (bret.io 2013/10/21/t1)
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icco Whelp, I think I just did the most ghetto rsvp possible… curl -i -d "source=http://natwelch.com/tmp/rsvp-2013-10-22.html&target=http://werd.io/event/526705b4bed7dedc23022c02/an-indieweb-catchup-over-food-and-drink" http://werd.io/webmention/
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bret icco: no shame! fix it when it starrts to bug you
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icco Ha, thanks bret. the issue is it's bugged me for a while, just been busy :p
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aaronpk iccoL sweet!
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aaronpk totally works
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bret icco: you should see how tantek writes blog posts
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bret ;)
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bret wow cool! invites!
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bret i saw the thing on the wiki, but ben is actually doing it
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icco I saw a talk by tantek at osbridge two (?) years ago, I don't think I want any of that :p
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bret its the fixed gear of publishing platforms :P
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icco I'm just wondering if idno is doing caching, I want visual proof my rsvp worked :p
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bret not likely
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bret (the cacheing bit)
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bret what was the output of the curl?
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bret brb post it ill get it eventually
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icco HTTP/1.0 202 Accepted
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benwerd actually werd.io does have server-side cacheing, but it shouldn't be an issue here