#indiewebcamp 2013-12-05

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kylewm evening all, is anyone syndicating to status.net/gnusocial currently?
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KartikPrabhu tantek: do you markup sections with references, notes about article with a footer tag or aside tag?
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dietrich_ aaronpk: do i need to call to get in the building later? can bring bike up or lock up outside?
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bret dietrich_ there is parking outside and racks inside
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aaronpk|m dietrich_: we have room for bikes upstairs.
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aaronpk|m Also will need to call if you get here after 6:30, but Bret offered to let people in before then
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tantek.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:ios-people-icons-screenshot.jpg]]""
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skinny tantek: was looking for more specific error messages will less us of pronouns. If i knew what the root problem was, I could write up the error text for each.
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tantek skinny - see IRC from earlier (that I referenced) - did exactly that - replaced pronouns with actuals.
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tantek and aaronpk said he thought it was a good idea too
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skinny tantek: yes, was much improved
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skinny i was offering to write the error text for all the cases.
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tantek skinny - you'll have to ping aaronpk about that
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tantek that would be great
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tantek maybe even at the HWC meeting tonight ;)
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tantek (I mean remotely for you obv)
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tantek ;)
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aaronpk skinny|mtg: would love help writing error messages :)
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aaronpk tantek: you guys can see/hear us ok?
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npdoty are we using this room?
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tantek yes!
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tantek aaronpk yes - all clear
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tantek johannes is running a server that is running the pumps of his pool!
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tantek … raspberry pi
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tantek … all the doors in his house
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tantek [btw - everyone is encouraged to take notes in the channel]
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aaronpk (tantek: great! it's helpful if only one person talks at a time, otherwise it comes through scrambled here)
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npdoty scribenick: npdoty
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npdoty benwerd: platform inspired by indieweb, multi-user, a site that represents one person, or an organization, or multiple organizations
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npdoty ... tantek had this project this week to get us to represent ourselves with our own faces
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npdoty ... ownership -- on multi-user sites, how do you represent it?
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tantek (npdoty blogged: http://tantek.com/2013/338/b1/people-focused-mobile-communication-experience )
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npdoty ... how do you give style, look-and-feel and technical representation of ownership?
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npdoty @@: want to automagically mirror web sites / papers
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npdoty ... whenever I post an RFC, I want it immediately mirrored somewhere else
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tantek @@ = Alaric
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npdoty thanks
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npdoty Alaric: backup and security, and let my friend follow what I'm writing
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tantek Alaric: if the website I use dies, I want copies elsewhere
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tantek Ryan:
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tantek … with indieweb stuff
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tantek … we have good things in our arsenal
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tantek … 1 HTML+microformats
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tantek … 2 webmentions for talking between sites
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tantek … lot of great examples using that to interact between our sites
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tantek … most of my friends are on FB, Twitter
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tantek … want to be able to interact with them too
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tantek … my big thing is getting our tool to talk with the silos
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tantek … got the webmentions working
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npdoty q+ PDX
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tantek Aaronpk - I post my own content
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tantek … push it out to FB Twitter
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tantek … I wear a lot of devices
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tantek … measure data
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tantek … publish that data on my site too
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tantek … in semi-public ways
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tantek … e.g. how much I slept last night
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tantek … interested in sharing travel plans
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tantek … semipublic part is done thru IndieAuth
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tantek … If I've added your URL to a whitelist for a post then you can see that post
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tantek … (ACLs, rule based stuff)
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tantek Dietrich Ayala
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tantek (PDX)
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tantek I have data all over the place
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tantek Want to be able to ...
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tantek (Hey PDX can we get some help with note taking from your side
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tantek (a lot of bg noise here
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aaronpk wants to see his real name at the bottom of the wiki after signing in with his domain name
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tantek (can't hear DIetrich well enough to take notes)
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jernst Want to add to what I said that lack of suitable identity technologies holds back indie web. E.g. I have a gigantic single-sign-on problem in my house, just for myself. ssh accounts on so many devices, users on web apps etc.
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tantek Amber Case
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bret sure tantek
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bret Amber experimented making lots of different sites
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aaronpk dietrich: was impressed with the way within 5 minutes of coming in to the IRC channel that there was a suggestion of how to do so
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bret started joining social networks, getting depressed
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aaronpk case: gave a talk on the indieweb at realtime conf
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jernst Amber can you speak up a little
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jernst Close to microphone is great!
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aaronpk bret: (bret.io)
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aaronpk working with jekyll, hosting his site on github pages
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aaronpk but has been getting fed up with limitations of jekyll/static sites lately, so is starting to experiment with node.js
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tantek Brian Hendrickson
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aaronpk brianhendrickson.com: been interetsed in the indie web since 2005 since coaching high school kids
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aaronpk who were all socializing on myspace
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aaronpk started playing with open source wordpress features
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aaronpk has been following the pingback/trackback thread
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aaronpk posted a realtime comment on aaronparecki.com, saw the comment appear in real time
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aaronpk there's the potential today to have realtime cooperation between sites now
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aaronpk there's already a circle of sites interoperating today which is really cool, so that's why he's here now to learn more about that
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tantek Nick Doty
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tantek grad student at UCB and works with W3C
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tantek interested in academic side
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skinny what's the audio stream?
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tantek aaronpk ^^^
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aaronpk skinny: unfortunately we had to switch to hangouts. I can try to add you if you want to join
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tantek (hangouts URL?)
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tantek we want a dissertation to just be a website
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skinny aaronpk: crystal@17triggers.com
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tantek that we work on
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tantek and collaboratively work out
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tantek looking at Pelican and static site generation
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tantek s/work out/work on together
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aaronpk skinny: invite sent
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tantek (FYI: http://www.w3.org/2013/socialweb/social-wg-charter.html is gaining momentum)
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tantek @@
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aaronpk Dan White
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tantek started in 1998 before they were called blogs
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npdoty npdoty is http://npdoty.name
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tantek not sure what he's interested in
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tantek cross-site discussions
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tantek have gone back thru 16k blog entries
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tantek quite a few of the links have gone dead
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tantek interconnected means nothing when the other sites don't work
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tantek and when I devices that don't have good network connectivity
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tantek with these talks of interconnectedness
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tantek and mirroring
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tantek is there a way to pass around packets
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npdoty we were just talking about arXiv.org, but archive.org is pretty important to that question
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tantek saying I published this thing
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tantek and this can be cached
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tantek Paul O.
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skinny aaronpk: got an email saying I *was* in a hangout with you but there was no link to join.
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tantek no small irony
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tantek that when we talk about documents - defn is changing
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tantek what scripting engine will run that in 10-20-30 years
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tantek Benwerd: that's actually a big deal
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aaronpk skinny: wtf google
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aaronpk tantek: do you have a polycom phone in that room?
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caseorganic Would be nice if we had a stable phone connection and then the video
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tantek aaronpk - not sure
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tantek (let's not hassle with new setup stuff now)
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caseorganic need a bluetooth mike
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bret should maybe break off into our own conversation?
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aaronpk maybe yes
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tantek totally ok
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npdoty +1 caseorganic, for future I think clear phone audio is probably more important than video
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tantek ok let's split soon for peer to peer
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tantek Rob Lord
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tantek part of cloud services team
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tantek brought his daughter Harper
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tantek big team on identity
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npdoty (the next generation of indieweb)
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tantek (aaronpk - can you take a photo of all you guys)
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tantek agency, sovereignty
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aaronpk tantek: just did. we're putting on mute
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tantek ok
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tantek meeting forked!
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tantek :)
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tantek from mozilla perspective
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tantek we want to bring this stuff to more firefox users
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aaronpk tantek: goals for this portion so we're on the same page?
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tantek peer to peer
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tantek split up into small groups based on topics discussed during "broadcast" phase
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skinny can i join someone's group?
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aaronpk great
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tantek skinny - we're still live on the Hangout
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skinny tantek: link pls?
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aaronpk skinny: this might work: https://plus.google.com/117847912875913905493/posts/AJ9A55Rh2Jt
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tantek Megan
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tantek UX designer
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tantek often have completely contradictory views on things from Tantek
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tantek very interested in networks
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tantek and propagating information
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tantek very interested in applying information we know across these places
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tantek present in a manner that is useful
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tantek one simple usecase
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tantek if you have a meeting with people
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tantek there's an app that will tell you information about the people in the meeting
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tantek (refreshio)
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tantek helps to break the ice with new people
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tantek pick up conversations where you left them off
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npdoty "augment human memory and relationships"
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aaronpk brian: has been working on a subsystem for handling webmentions
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tantek potential to augment human relationships in a positive ay
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tantek (thanks npdoty!)
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tantek advantages of this
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aaronpk not something he will share in its entirety, but more interested in sharing the components as modules
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tantek we were also talking about this needs to be calendar based
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tantek vs. address book based
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tantek I don't go to address book often
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tantek calendar makes more sense
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tantek especially with mobile
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tantek meeting with someone in 30 minutes
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tantek give me something to talk with them about
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tantek excited to see how it progresses
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npdoty are more people using the word "augment" since the recent Doug Engelbart news?
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npdoty light minuting on comparison between NSA social graphs vs. calendar/address-books for personal use
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tantek most recently contacted, most frequently contacted
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aaronpk bret: files on disk makes sense. but is less solid on how best to render the different views of the post based on the canonical file
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bret aaronpk: talking about p3k's db-less model
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bret irc discussion about irc clients
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bret it took a week to set up irssi + screen, so make sure to set up a git repo on your config
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tantek quick survey: how many people wrote most of the code that runs on their site? vs. most of the code on their site was written by someone else?
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tantek about 50/50
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bret tantek: yes! most people here wrote their own code for their site here, but of varying complexity
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skinny tantek: i cloned a jekyll repo whose theme was pretty close.
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bret aaronpk: showing his yaml + plaintext/markdown post sorage format
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tantek e.g. http://www.flutterby.net/User:DanLyke
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tantek could be linked up
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dietrich_ OH: "i wish there were common formats for everything!"
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dietrich_ aaronpk stores his travel plans in p3k
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tantek so it looks like we're splitting into peer to peer here
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dietrich_ "posse as a service"
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aaronpk dietrich points out: POSSE is not only useful for sharing with people on silos, but also for working with your own posts doing things beyond what is easy to do with static sites or the files-on-disk approach
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bret aaronpk http://gifs.gifbin.com/052013/1369329043_dog_bounces_off_ball.gif
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dietrich_ "i don't want to write a bunch of code. the data is *right there*. i want somthing else to visualize it."
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julian` hey if i can ssh into my university website user area does this mean i can filezilla into it too?
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julian` (using PuTTy) i managed to get into it
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julian` and get it to list all my files
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bret discussing indie likes, and the difference between a webmention, in the contxt of upvoting on news.indiewebcamp.com
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benwerd Note to self for later: lots of talk about public/private keys. I think there's value in having a token per relationship rather than a simple key release system, so that I know, eg, "tantek accessed this", and I can decide what he gets to see & change it later without worrying about revoking keys. i.e., a CMS problem.
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benwerd I do want to know *who* is accessing my pages and modify my site to react to that.
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dietrich_ talking about rsvp/reply on calagator
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dietrich_ and on pump
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dietrich_ and http://news.indiewebcamp.com/
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benwerd eg private posts, different communications channels, even different visual styles, all served based on the identity of my *visitor*.
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bret talking about indieweb in relation to wordpress
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bret also indieweb efforts in other projects like ghost, calagator, pump.io
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bret Here is a good tutorial on responsive CSS without bootstrap: http://webdesign.tutsplus.com/tutorials/htmlcss-tutorials/a-simple-responsive-mobile-first-navigation/
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caseorganic thanks everyone for a great meetup!
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caseorganic i have to head out now
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KartikPrabhu interesting meetup notes. like npdoty I've been thinking about HTMLs potential use for marking up academic papers too...
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aaronpk too many pixels
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aaronpk photos posted, and wiki page and calagator page for next meetup posted!
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shaners if anyone has POSSEd posts to @medium about #indieweb stuff, i'm curating a collection about it
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shaners https://medium.com/indie-web
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shaners so far, it's just my two posts
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julian` HAHA
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julian` this is sooo funny
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aaronpk that's a great use of medium
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julian` 5.30am before deadline day for 3 assignments and the stupid ass site theyre making us upload our sites to decides to make my site look completely different...
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julian` http://julian.hotglue.me in comparison to http://julian.so
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julian` yolo
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aaronpk wtf is hotglue
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aaronpk and why do you have to upload your site there to submit it
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julian` cos we were meant to use the drag and drop thing
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julian` but it also has a code paste so i coded by hand
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julian` its a really shitty cms system
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julian` i might make a comment and link my site but i doubt he will take it into consideration that it was in the spec to use hotglue
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aaronpk wait, weren't you the one asking about using <section> vs <div> tags?
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aaronpk how does this assignment make sense... using a visual CMS to put things on a web page and then being graded based on proper use of <div> tags
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julian` thats a different assignment haha
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julian` i left them all way too late
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julian` that was introduction to web platforms (which i still need to do a 1000word report on)
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julian` this is web design studio
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julian` i also have to compile my graphics work for graphic design
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aaronpk oh ok haha
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julian` i need sleep so bad :(
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@veganstraightedge If anyone has POSSEd posts to @medium about #indieweb stuff, I'm curating a collection about it. https://medium.com/indie-web (twitter.com/_/status/408471297790709760)
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aaronpk shaners: interestingly that gives me an incentive to post to medium
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shaners s/post/cross post/
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Loqi shaners meant to say: so far, it's just my two cross posts
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shaners dang. not what i meant.
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aaronpk lol
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aaronpk right
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shaners i was trying to "correct" yours
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shaners ;:
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shaners :)
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shaners sheesh. i'm not good at keyboarding right now.
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aaronpk uh how do I medium
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shaners carefully
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aaronpk Permission Required
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aaronpk Sorry, you don’t currently have permission to publish.
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aaronpk after trying to log in from the home page
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shaners huh? that's beard.
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julian` The Description of your TV Series Website and the features you are
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julian` pleased/not pleased with will have a maximum of 1000 words. You
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julian` should include images and diagrams as necessary to illustrate the
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julian` content of your description
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julian` aaronpk i think you need to be invited to post? i'm not sure though...
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shaners julian`: that was true originally. but i thought they opened to the public a few months back.
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julian` + isnt writing about indiewebdev counter-productive since its all about owning your own content and then you're giving your content to a social medium?
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shaners aaronpk: i wrote up a manifestoy/vision kinda list a while back about Homesteading.
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shaners https://gist.github.com/veganstraightedge/6836355
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aaronpk "PULL is the verb"?
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shaners yep. i'm on team PULL aka poll aka opposite of push for web architecture
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aaronpk oh funny
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shaners aka the opposite of Tent's strategy
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aaronpk but you support webmention right?
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shaners Push™ is shiny. So everyone wants to (over)use it
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shaners yes/gonna
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aaronpk i think of webmention as a form of push
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shaners there are some small places where it makes sense. i'm not a total zealot. ;)
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aaronpk actually I guess it's more like a "ping" since you're not really sending any content
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shaners right
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aaronpk that's actually an important distinction
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shaners we use webhooks at work with no payload as a kind of ping for downstream to "pull if you're otherwise not busy right now. else, pull on your regular schedule."
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shaners have i ever shown/told you about our architecture at work?
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aaronpk oh yeah I think so
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shaners we've kinda already built h-entry based Reader™
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shaners for app to app communication
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shaners but back to "PULL is the verb". that's the idea. no payload. pings only.
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shaners pings with URLs
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aaronpk in that case "ping" should be the verb
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aaronpk cause real-time is fun, and polling sucks
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shaners says you
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shaners polling has worked fine for long time
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shaners it's good enough for the web. it's good enough for you! :P
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aaronpk for certain use cases
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shaners i'd say most
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aaronpk well I think we can do better than polling (and we already are)
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aaronpk but i'll agree that pushing content around is not a good design
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shaners and again, i'm not a total zealot. for _some_ realtime stuff, push or synchronous makes more sense.
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shaners not pushing content is the intent of that item (maxim?)
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aaronpk where pushing content around means sending actual note/article/reply/whatever data in POST payloads
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shaners confrim
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shaners s/confrim/confirm/
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Loqi shaners meant to say: confirm
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shaners aaronpk: any other things on the list that makes you raise an eyebrow?
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aaronpk looks good!
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aaronpk i like the rest
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shaners that's my guiding force. especially when recruiting people to help with HS.
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shaners like, let's get our assumptions out up front. make sure that we're not gonna totally clash about big picture stuff.
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aaronpk good call
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shaners what's next on your p3k plate?
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aaronpk fixing icons right now
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shaners what's wrong with them?
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aaronpk brb
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aaronpk omfg it's too cold
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aaronpk (just walked back from the coffee shop)
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aaronpk shaners: i'm getting rid of the stupid apple shine effect and making my icon jpg instead of png
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shaners brrrr
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aaronpk tantek's post about icons was motivation http://tantek.com/2013/338/b1/people-focused-mobile-communication-experience
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shaners i'll be in pdx friday night - monday night
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shaners i read all the icon discussion logs
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aaronpk oh nice! we should hang out
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shaners all good stuff. i was surprised how few people had already added an icon.
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aaronpk shaners: if only you published your travel plans on your site, I would have known that already!
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shaners i've been doing it on other sites for prolly as long as @adactio
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shaners if only!
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shaners maybe it's a secret. shhhhh...
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shaners saturday we're popping up to SEA for a day trip
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shaners my weekend schedule is in flux. but totes wanna hang out.
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shaners two things about the icon discussion:
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aaronpk cool, well I'm pretty flexible this weekend so let me know
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julian` FINALLY DONE...
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julian` no point going to sleep now to wake up in 30 mins
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julian` fml
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shaners sweet dreams julian`
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aaronpk shaners: don't troll the poor guy
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shaners gosh. i do NOT miss being in school.
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shaners 1. my iPhone 5 (iOS 7) doesn't respect my png alpha mask.
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aaronpk I don't think any iOS icons support alpha mask
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shaners i.e., my avatar is a circle. but iOS fills in the corners with black
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aaronpk s/mask/channel
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Loqi aaronpk meant to say: I don't think any iOS icons support alpha channel
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aaronpk you're forced to fit into the standard iOS icon format with rounded corners
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shaners omigosh. you're right. just re-looked through all my home screens. all rounded squares. Human memory is a weird thing.
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shaners ok. that answers that. thanks!
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julian` s/ channel/ mask
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julian` how does that thing work lol
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shaners julian` is a regular expression switch
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shaners it works like this:
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shaners i type something wrong like THSS
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shaners s/THSS/THIS/
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Loqi shaners meant to say: i type something wrong like THIS
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shaners then loqi corrects it for me
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Loqi :)
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shaners ok. icon thing #2:
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shaners i disagree that that icons must be human faces
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aaronpk i thought that might be the next thing
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shaners :D
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shaners faces change. faces might be secret.
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julian` Oh I do get it now
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julian` s/do/dont
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Loqi julian` meant to say: Oh I dont get it now
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aaronpk i think the point still stands
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aaronpk as in, the main point is "people first", not "faces first"
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shaners i've had this avatar and the original version since 2008. people know me by that more than my face (which wasn't bearded back then and had different glasses).
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shaners i agree with the intent
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aaronpk and tantek even says "...adding icons of each other..." not "faces" or "pictures"
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shaners oh. he did? i thought all the logs he was saying photo photo photo
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aaronpk http://tantek.com/2013/338/b1/people-focused-mobile-communication-experience
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aaronpk quoting from there
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aaronpk not irc logs
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aaronpk the assumption he makes is that people will use their face for their icon
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julian` im gonna go get blunted up before uni
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shaners http://indiewebcamp.com/icon#Should_you_use_a_photo_of_your_face
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julian` peeaceee
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aaronpk hmm
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aaronpk well i'm not convinced faces is always the way to go
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cweiske i don't want my face on the internet
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aaronpk actually up until facebook/twitter, I always used an icon for myself online, rarely ever put a photo of myself anywhere
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shaners i only added my face to my site footer for google authorship siht
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aaronpk why didn't you add your logo for that?
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shaners Identity is fuzzy thing
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shaners they insist that it's a Face™
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aaronpk oh? i didn't realize that
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cweiske who?
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shaners yeah. weak sauce.
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shaners google does for their authorship thing
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cweiske I decided to stay out of this, because it's google-only
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shaners twitter is twitter only. Facebook is Facebook only. etc.
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shaners all silos are
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cweiske but google is mixing up their search engine with their network
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shaners the ship has sailed
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aaronpk !tell tantek I noticed you don't have an explicit rel="shortcut icon" on your individual post pages, so the browser falls back to favicon.ico. What are your thoughts on handling that? http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5492/11217290564_96f7c5e4de_o.png
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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shaners tantek hates markup! :P
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aaronpk so this brings up another issue with the icon discussion
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aaronpk tantek, caseorganic and I all have favicon.ico files which are some icon representing us that is not our face
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aaronpk should the 16px favicon.ico necessarily be the same as the larger icon on phone home screens?
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aaronpk it tends to be the case that a 16px version of anything doesn't look good by default, you usually have to explicitly design an image to work at 16px
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shaners right.
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shaners i don't think they should be the same same
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aaronpk I'd like to keep my "pk" 16px icon because I think it's more recognizable at that size than the photo of my face
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shaners +1
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aaronpk unless there's some way to make a photo of myself that scales well down to 16px
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shaners prolly not
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aaronpk yeah probably not, unless you have like giant eyebrows or something
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shaners even my flat colors avatar doesn't look great at 16px
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aaronpk it's not bad
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shaners yeah. "not bad", also "not great"
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shaners it tolerable. but whatever. it does the job for bookmarks and tabs.
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shaners but i guess i need to switch to my square avatar for icon
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: FF on Android uses the .ico file for homescreen icon as well. see example: http://indiewebcamp.com/icon#Android_browser_comparisons
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aaronpk KartikPrabhu: wait why are there two of everyone there
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KartikPrabhu FF and Chrome on Android
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aaronpk oh! orry got it
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aaronpk hm that's unfortunate
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KartikPrabhu yes.
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KartikPrabhu I wanted to use my logo for small sizes too. but that sort of seems wring
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KartikPrabhu wrong*
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KartikPrabhu how should webmentions handle urls with fragments i.e. #something? Can the mention source 'http://example.com/source' contain the link to target url but with a fragement as 'http://example2.com/target#fragment' ?
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aaronpk I don't think we've encountered a case where that's needed yet. what are you trying to do?
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KartikPrabhu I am just trying to parse webmentions correctly and I hit upon this thought. Currently it only matches exact url and won't match a link to a particular section for example
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aaronpk ah
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aaronpk afaik nobody sends webmentions with fragments in the URL. perhaps we should explicitly disallow that in the webmention spec
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cweiske I do that
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KartikPrabhu i was also autosending webmentions where I was wondering if I should drop fragements before sending
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cweiske whenever I link to some page with a fragment, my linkback server sends a ping to that url
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aaronpk cweiske: that's in the target, right?
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shaners aaronpk: that'd have the bonus knock on effect of discouraging /#! URLs from javascript driven "apps"/sites
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KartikPrabhu do you send the fragment in the source parameter?
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cweiske aaronpk, the target, yes
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cweiske no, i don't
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aaronpk cweiske: ok yea that makes sense. but I think KartikPrabhu is talking about source
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cweiske that'd be crazy
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cweiske although, if you don't have one page per resource but multiple
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KartikPrabhu I am sort of asking both. So if source links to target.com#fragment then should it send the fragment in the target parameter of the url?
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aaronpk yes, because that is what the link is
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aaronpk the webmention is ust a notification that x links to y.
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aaronpk s/u/ju
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Loqi aaronpk meant to say: the webmention is just a notification that x links to y.
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KartikPrabhu ok alright that probably solves my problem :) thanks
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aaronpk shaners: that icon looks good now!
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KartikPrabhu also does anyone use webmention to interlink their own posts? like "this topic was already discussed ina aprevious post"-type thing?
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shaners did you bookmark me to your home screen?
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aaronpk yup
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aaronpk KartikPrabhu: yes I do that (it happens automatically)
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shaners fancy
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aaronpk shaners: i'm adding a bunch of people to one page on my phone
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shaners nods
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: yes I was asking for auto-sending too. thanks. back to writing python
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aaronpk i realized I only actualy know what's in the first two pages of icons. the rest is a mess and I just launch those apps by searching for them, not tapping.
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shaners same here
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aaronpk so i'm making my third page all people
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aaronpk and the rest of the apps are getting shoved into folders called "random" and "random 2"
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shaners so much so that i reorganized my apps so they're all in folders on screen two, except my home screen 16 apps
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shaners my two folders are "misc" and "metrics" :D
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aaronpk yeah that sounds about right
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aaronpk i have "Random" "Whatever" and "Meh"
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shaners haha
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aaronpk which, coincidentally, is how I start labeling boxes when I move houses
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shaners this whole people centered ui is right in line with one of my (i'll never have time to build until i have an army of minions/partners) apps called Dark Matter
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shaners the elevator pitch is that email/txt/im are the real social network
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shaners the original social network
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shaners glean from those:
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shaners friend lists
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shaners photos
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shaners events
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shaners shared links
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shaners etc
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: why the double markup for 'shortcut icon'?
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aaronpk ico vs jpg
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aaronpk i want to see what happens
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KartikPrabhu ok. FYI, FF on Adroid still picks ico. Just tested
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aaronpk maybe firefox is smart enough to prioritize the jpg over the ico?
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aaronpk darn!
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aaronpk worth a shot
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KartikPrabhu yeah :( I thought that was your intention too! would have been great if it worked. Maybe put jpg first? but then browsers will take jpg too
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aaronpk hm, btu I want browsers to use the ico for bookmarks and title bar, etc
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KartikPrabhu yeah. that would be ideal
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KartikPrabhu also tested caseorganic for good measure. same results
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Jihaisse Hello
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shaners alright. i'm off to sleep.
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shaners good night, Loqi!
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Loqi buenas noches
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shaners you're the best bot
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Loqi tantek: aaronpk left you a message 3 hours, 13 minutes ago: I noticed you don't have an explicit rel="shortcut icon" on your individual post pages, so the browser falls back to favicon.ico. What are your thoughts on handling that? http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5492/11217290564_96f7c5e4de_o.png
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tantek !tell aaronpk since my permalinks represent specific posts and not "me" (in the identity or rel=me sense), I don't think it makes sense to use my face - so I left my generic favicon there as is. If I think of a "tantek post" icon I can put link that up I suppose.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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barnabywalters tantek: should homebrew website club maybe get a mention on the homepage?
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tantek not sure
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tantek using the indiewebcamp wiki for the events is kind of a stopgap
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tantek (since I haven't gotten event posting on my own site working)
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tantek but maybe it would be worth mentioning both the next IndieWeb event that is happening, and the next *Camp.
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tantek (on the home page)
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jonnybarnes if I syndicate a note to twitter, will twitter automatically linkify @usernames and #hashtags?
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barnabywalters jonnybarnes: yep, you send plain text to the twitter API and they do the rest
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barnabywalters you’ll still have to do your own auto-linking on the real copy
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jonnybarnes thanks, yeah that makes sense barnabywalters
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tantek is going to sleep after an excellent two-location join 2nd Homebrew Website Club meeting
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tantek good night all!
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barnabywalters good night!
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Loqi night
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Loqi buenas noches
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KevinMarks did you see Aral's launch: thelink.is/indielaunch
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barnabywalters KevinMarks: did he actually launch anything?
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KevinMarks he launched a future crowdsourced product
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KevinMarks he didn't actually trademark "indie" but he certainly used it a lot
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jonnybarnes does anyone know how to match hashtags in php?
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jonnybarnes I think this works: preg_match_all('/#(\w|-)+/', $note, $tags);
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barnabywalters jonnybarnes: I have a fairly battle-tested regex for this, give me a sec…
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jonnybarnes but I end up with two arrays, one with #tag and one with g
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Jihaisse jonnybarnes: https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-hashtags/blob/master/hashtags.php
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Jihaisse maybe you'll find something usefull in it
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barnabywalters here’s my function: https://gist.github.com/barnabywalters/7804428
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Jihaisse if you don't know how, know where.
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Jihaisse define( "HASHTAGS_REGEXP" , "(^|\s|>)#([^\s<>]+)\b" );
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KevinMarks #nowyouhave2problems
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jonnybarnes regex is a different beast, what is `(?<=^|\s)` in barnabywalter's gist?
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barnabywalters jonnybarnes: that’s actually probably unnecessary, it’s a non-capturing reverse match or some such arcane thing
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barnabywalters the wordpress regex looks better
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jonnybarnes preg_match_all('(^|\s|>)#([^\s<>]+)\b', $note, $tags)
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jonnybarnes gives error `unkown modifier #` for me
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jonnybarnes I think I've copied that out right.
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jonnybarnes has something changed in PHP5.5?
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barnabywalters jonnybarnes: you need to surround the regex with delimiter characters
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barnabywalters typically /, although | can be useful too if matching something with many / in
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barnabywalters so preg_match_all('/(^|\s|>)#([^\s<>]+)\b/', $note, $tags) should wor
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barnabywalters k
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jonnybarnes it does, though it gives weird results. Not weird exactly. A post that contains tags #tag and #life gives result: http://paste.laravel.com/1c81
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jonnybarnes not sure why the array of spaces is there
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barnabywalters the array of spaces is the matches for the first group
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barnabywalters (^|\s|>)
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barnabywalters which will match the beginning of the string, whitespace or >
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barnabywalters so make that group non-capturing
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barnabywalters or just ignore it
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barnabywalters (?:) makes a group non-capturing
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jonnybarnes thanks
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barnabywalters jonnybarnes: https://jonnybarnes.net/notes is looking good! you should add some h-entry to those notes so they can be parsed
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barnabywalters http://indiewebify.me/validate-h-entry/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fjonnybarnes.net%2Fnote%2F2 might be useful to test markup
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jonnybarnes sounds like a plan, tinkering on a local 'install' of my code atm, don't want to break anything in public now ;)
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barnabywalters jonnybarnes: cool! are you using laravel?
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jonnybarnes yup
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barnabywalters nice, what’s it like? not used it myself but I use some of the illuminate components
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jonnybarnes https://github.com/jonnybarnes/jbl4
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jonnybarnes I like it, though its my first time using a framework so i'm just learning stuff like mvc or dependency injection
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jonnybarnes should tags be case-sensitive?
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barnabywalters jonnybarnes: up to you to decide but I ignore case when searching tags
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Jihaisse for me : no
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Jihaisse it have to be insensitive
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Jihaisse when I do a search, I don't want to bother if it's in uppercase or not
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Jihaisse and it also should works with éèá etc…
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jonnybarnes jihaisse: so if you want `être` a search of `etre` should match?
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Jihaisse for me : yes
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Jihaisse for example : I do a hashtag search on twitter about my city : Chambéry. in the search field I wrote : #chambery
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Jihaisse and it return chambery, chambéry and Chambéry
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aaronpk good morning!
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Loqi aaronpk: tantek left you a message 5 hours, 43 minutes ago: since my permalinks represent specific posts and not "me" (in the identity or rel=me sense), I don't think it makes sense to use my face - so I left my generic favicon there as is. If I think of a "tantek post" icon I can put link that up I suppose.
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barnabywalters morning aaronpk — how did homebrew website club go?
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aaronpk went well! the video link from Portland to SF was reasonably stable, although the audio was difficult at times
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aaronpk we did a joint "broadcast" (introductions) session, then split into PDX/SF for the "peer-to-peer" part
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aaronpk barnabywalters: plans to add icon markup to your site? http://indiewebcamp.com/icon
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aaronpk this is my iphone now: http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3673/11217920205_e99d5e0913_z.jpg
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barnabywalters aaronpk: it’s done in the new version, should be moving that properly live this evening
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aaronpk nice
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barnabywalters looking good!
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snarfed +1 to the sf-pdx video from last night. peer to peer is naturally better in person, but all things considered, doing the first half jointly went surprisingly well
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aaronpk totally. and we can make it work better next time with a little more prep time
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snarfed agreed. thanks for organizing and wrangling the pdx side! looking forward to visiting you all in person next time i'm up there
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bret thanks for going over a lot of the details on how p3k works aaronpk. It cleared a lot of things up for me
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aaronpk cool
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aaronpk glad to hear
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KartikPrabhu does anyone know if Google+ has a post api like twitter? I could not find any after extensive searching!
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: no, the G+ API is read only right now
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snarfed and for the foreseeable future
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snarfed sadly
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: :| ok thanks for the confirmation. I was hoping to POSSE to G+ but well...
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snarfed a few people have done it via screen scraping as opposed to the api
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KartikPrabhu I have seen those. also using Google Voice! clever but I don't think it is worth the effort
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snarfed if you're writing the code yourself, agreed, probably not
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@TomOnTheRoof @t @indiewebcamp If I use IndieAuth to sign in to a web site, does that website get my email or other info from the authentication provider? (twitter.com/_/status/408685314375315456)
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@aaronpk @TomOnTheRoof No, the only thing returned is your URL. See "Verify the token" here: https://indieauth.com @t (http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/12/05/1/indieauth) (twitter.com/_/status/408685792299470848)
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Loqi [mention] http://kartikprabhu.com/article/redux linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (webmention)
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hadleybeeman KartikPrabhu: Last I spoke to the Google+ team about APIs, they wanted to be extremely cautious about them.
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hadleybeeman Said they didn't want the "spammy feel" of Twitter, with so many input sources.
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KartikPrabhu hadleybeeman: spam happens on G+ anyway. just look at 'what's hot' section
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hadleybeeman (Personally, I thought that severely cut down on the innovation possibilities… but spam is indeed a price to pay there.)
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aaronpk hadleybeeman: is that conversation documented anywhere? that's the first time I've heard that as the reason, which is fascinating
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hadleybeeman I guess that's fair, KartikPrabhu. It goes to show that I don't pay attention to the "What's hot" section. :)
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hadleybeeman I don't think so, aaronpk. It was just a face-to-face chat.
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hadleybeeman Also, aaronpk & KartikPrabhu: worth noting that that was over a year ago. I don't know what they're up to now.
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KartikPrabhu hadleybeeman: yes. I haven't been able to find anything that says that they intend to have a POST api
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hadleybeeman That makes sense.
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snarfed i can confirm that from when i was at google
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snarfed they don't really talk about it too much publicly, but yeah, the examples of app spam on fb walls (primarily) and twitter were big influences
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hadleybeeman Ah, thanks snarfed. I didn't realise you were at Google.
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KartikPrabhu but they can have people post to their own stream from outside though (?)
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snarfed yeah, was there for a long time. left a yr ago
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: what do you mean by "from outside" ?
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hadleybeeman Cool
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: I mean. I should to be able to post to my own stream through an API from an app/my own site
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KartikPrabhu it is fair that others can't post to my stream like on FB walls
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snarfed ah. sure, you can definitely argue they "should," but they made the choice not to allow it through the API, only manually
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: yeah maybe.
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KartikPrabhu well there goes my POSSE to G+ idea. more time for other stuff
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snarfed fwiw, i posse some things to g+ manually. copy and paste is pretty easy :P
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KartikPrabhu so far that is what i do too. But would have been nice to to do it from my site admin.
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snarfed agreed
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aaronpk tantek: your home screen looks really good!
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tantek aaronpk thanks! that was the image I used in my blog post :)
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tantek note how much nicer the *-precomposed icons look (without the white curvy overlay)
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tantek http://indiewebcamp.com/File:ios-people-icons-screenshot.jpg
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aaronpk already updated mine! if you tap my icon and caseorganic's then your home screen should refresh with the new icon
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tantek whoa they auto-update?!?
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aaronpk yep! discovered that while testing mine!
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tantek sweet!
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aaronpk here's mine now: http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3673/11217920205_e99d5e0913_z.jpg
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tantek we should get more people to ad personal site face icons
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barnabywalters indeed, apple inadvertently gave web apps a huge advantage over native apps
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aaronpk agreed!
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Loqi I agree
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barnabywalters the ability to update their icons
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tantek I'm already signed up to help two people from last night's meeting
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tantek everyone got pretty excited about the possibilities
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tantek benwerd even added some generic contact icons at the top of his home page to test things
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tantek and I was able to tap his icon on my homescreen and start a facetime
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barnabywalters brian made an icelandic public holiday calendar website, which updates to show the date of the next holiday
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aaronpk oh nice! they only appear when the browser is narrow
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aaronpk ok yeah totally changing my home page around this weekend
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tantek barnabywalters - that is a fascinating observation: "...web apps a huge advantage over native apps, the ability to update their icons"
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barnabywalters they can only do it when visited, which I suppose is vaguely analogous to updating a native app
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tantek except that it occurs in the natural flow of using the app!
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barnabywalters but nonetheless it’s an interesting and exploitable behaviour
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tantek you don't have to go a separate "App Store" app to futz with it
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barnabywalters tantek: indeed, but no push updates unfortunately :(
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tantek push updates might be a bit crazy
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tantek I can imagine some "abuse" of that (animations?)
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barnabywalters so it couldn’t, say, change to indicate availability status
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aaronpk I used to update my twitter icon with seasonal decorations, like different border colors and such depending on season/weather
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barnabywalters tantek: oh god yes. someone would do it ;)
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aaronpk would be fun to do that again with home screen icon
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tantek yes!
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barnabywalters like animating <title> elements… brrr…
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tantek aaronpk - totally
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tantek or like bluebeanieday
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aaronpk right!
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tantek barnabywalters - how do you remember animating <title> elemens?!?
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tantek s/elemens/elements
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Loqi tantek meant to say: barnabywalters - how do you remember animating <title> elements?!?
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barnabywalters tantek: no need to remember, I saw it ;)
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aaronpk lol! i've seen a few around still
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barnabywalters also bear in mind that my friends and I had our own private 90s web reenactment in secondary school
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tantek in other news, cropping and uploading screenshots from my iPod directly to the wiki was surprisingly quick & easy
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aaronpk barnabywalters: !!
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tantek "private 90s web reenactment in secondary school" sounds amazing
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tantek that's like Adactio's command line mode browser re-enaction at CERN
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barnabywalters indeed. (un?)fortunately our… output… was all hosted on transient silo-hosts and is now no longer around
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aaronpk unfortunately!
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barnabywalters tantek: well, the line-mode browser recreation was intentional
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tantek oh, yours wasn't?
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barnabywalters we were just messing around with this crazy “JAVA Script” thing
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tantek interesting
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barnabywalters yeah, we were slow to catch on to the wealth of brilliant learning resources
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barnabywalters preferring to copy+paste ‘the matrix’ simulators made in javascript
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barnabywalters but we got there in the end ;)
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barnabywalters when I’ve deployed then new taproot live I’ll see if anything from then was archived anywhere
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tantek while creating a mobile icon based comm bar for the top of my site (on mobile) I'm figuring out that I can put almost all my "Elsewhere" links into related "folders"
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tantek and thus move them out of side bar
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aaronpk folders?
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tantek yes - the things that appear when you drag one icon onto another on the iOS homescreen
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tantek icon folders
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tantek which show little mini versions of the icons inside, and then expand when tapped
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aaronpk oh sorry what? not sure how the iOS folders relate to your "elsewhere" links
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tantek aaronpk - it'll make more sense with a screen shot
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tantek oh man the g+ iOS web shortcut icon is super grainy crappy
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aaronpk oh I think I know what you're doing
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Jeena Why would you want to use g+ anyway? Facebook all the things (instad)!
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Loqi [mention] http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4TQNY2/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/icon (webmention)
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aaronpk barnabywalters: YEAH! your icon oh my home screen is now your face!
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barnabywalters aaronpk: woo! adding myself to the wiki page now :)
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barnabywalters all in all, a fairly seamless deployment — POSSE to twitter is broken but apart from that all seems to be well
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aaronpk woo!
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barnabywalters it turns out apple’s inability to correctly parse space-separated rel values applies to ATOM feeds as well
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barnabywalters at least in old safari, only rel="alternate" is supported, not rel="alternate updates"
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aaronpk jeez
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tantek haha
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tantek whatever, apple is dropping feed support from safari anyway
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tantek dropped
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tantek last year even: http://indiewebcamp.com/feeds#2012
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tantek barnabywalters - you got POSSEing of your icon from your site to your Twitter avatar working?
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barnabywalters tantek: what? no, I’ve never implemented that. was referring to deployment of the new taproot, not just the icon :)
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acegiak tantek, your post about phone contacting people etc has me all energized again
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tantek barnabywalters oh sorry - I thought you had combined the two concepts
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tantek e.g. have an upload new icon function on your personal site (say you just took a good #selfie ;)
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barnabywalters tantek: interesting idea, probably not worth the effort unless I changed my profile photo frequently
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tantek and then your personal site updates your icon and all that - which iOS viewers will automatically get next time they tap your home screen shortcut
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tantek and also pushes out a new avatar icon (POSSEs out) to Twitter, FB, etc.
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tantek one fewer reason to visit those silos to update them (even just your avatar icon in your profile)
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barnabywalters although back when I was brainstorming ideas about social networking tools for power users one of the things I considered was one-stop profile photo changes
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tantek barnabywalters - you could show it off changing seasonally currently as aaronpk suggested
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tantek so there you go - this is a perfect excuse to do one-stop profile photo changes
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tantek acegiak - great!
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tantek looking forward to see what you do with your site
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acegiak im not a privacy kind of person so initially i'm adding tel: etc to my page and.wprking out a mobile firendly layout
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acegiak and then once we've worked out good ways to manage trust networks then i'll restrict those things to trusted folks
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acegiak also, apologies for typos, phone irc
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tantek acegiak - even with a tel: link, adactio gets very few phone calls
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tantek and he's a reasonably public figure
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acegiak ok cool
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tantek but maybe that's because he's in the UK?
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acegiak for a while i took a bit of joy in using spammers/cold callers as targets for releasing pent up tension, but i've decided to stop doing that because i know i could handle that when i was a door knocker but i don't want to push someone having a worse time than me over the esge into a breakdown
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tantek acegiak - yeah, empathy for the individual being underpaid to actually do the call.
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acegiak i know there's markup for linking to an irc channel somewhere, is there something similar for linking to an irc user on a channel/network
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acegiak tantek: plus i read a couple of studies that said redirecting anger to things like pillows or spammers just made you less good at managing it
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tantek oh that's fascinating
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acegiak kind of like you have an anger management muscle that gets stronger/weaker the more/less you use it
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aaronpk acegiak: looks like yes: http://www.w3.org/Addressing/draft-mirashi-url-irc-01
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aaronpk it's kinda ugly
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aaronpk irc://irc.freenode.net/aaronpk,isnick
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acegiak still, glad it exists
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acegiak i'd only seen irc links in passing and always for channels
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aaronpk me too
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acegiak are nested properties legal in h-card? like having two spans for first and last name inside a third fullname span?
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barnabywalters acegiak: that doesn’t actually result in nested properties, and is perfectly legal
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aaronpk I believe so? Could always try it and see what parsers think
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barnabywalters the properties will all be at the same level
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aaronpk he meant nested tags I think
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acegiak ok, cool
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barnabywalters elements can be nested however you want, properties will all come out on the same level
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barnabywalters until a h-x classname establishes a new microformat
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aaronpk tantek: wow http://indiewebcamp.com/File:mobile-personal-home-icons-folders-mockup.jpg
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tantek aaronpk - this is what I was talking about http://indiewebcamp.com/Falcon#mobile_home_template_header_icons_folders
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tantek yes :)
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aaronpk so you'd have one row per person?
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tantek no that's a mockup for my *home page*
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tantek see http://indiewebcamp.com/Falcon#mobile_home_template_header_icons_folders
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aaronpk oh wait what
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tantek *mobile home page*
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aaronpk so I would see that if I visited your site?
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tantek yes - on mobile
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aaronpk oh my
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aaronpk but what if I visit from an android phone? wouldn't that be a little weird?
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aaronpk also... *tiny* buttons!
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acegiak tantek, how are detecting mobile?
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tantek (insert per-mobile-platform work to make it prettier elsewhere)
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aaronpk whoa
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tantek acegiak - these are mockups for now
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aaronpk that's hardcore
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acegiak oh ok
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tantek aaronpk - those aren't buttons
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aaronpk you sure you wanna go down that route?
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tantek I want to see how far we can push this "my mobile home page as me" interface
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acegiak do we have a solution for sms and tel being the same number? or are we just having two hyperlinks?
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tantek acegiak - people typically click separate apps/buttons for those
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tantek so what do you mean by "solution?"
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tantek to what *problem*?
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acegiak i have a telephone link on my page, that has my phone number, having a separate link with the same number for sms seems to violate dry?
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tantek but users are expecting two buttons
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tantek so you could either use two links for two buttons
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tantek or you could auto-create the links/buttons using JS that reads your hCard
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acegiak hmm, yeag if they're buttons it makes sense
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acegiak might roll down thatvroute
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barnabywalters if it’s of any interest, here’s some mobile homepage UI brainstorming I did a few months ago: https://github.com/Taproot/design/blob/master/homepage-brainstorming.jpg
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aaronpk yeah definitely need to get indiecheckins working
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aaronpk at the very least I think I'll start by PESOS'ing my checkins from foursquare (and also my instagram photos)
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aaronpk there's enough stuff to sort out without worrying about a posting interface yet
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barnabywalters import is a good place to start as it allows you to concentrate on getting the UI working without having to build syndication or posting UIs
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aaronpk yeah
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barnabywalters that was the case with comments on taproot — I imported old notes with comments from diaspora before displaying indie comments
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tantek PESOS is a trap - because it make you too complacent to ever actually build owning your data and POSSE.
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aaronpk OTOH it's been over a year since I've been *wanting* to have my checkins and photos on my site
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tantek so I disagree with PESOS for Foursquare. back up your data sure. but presenting it on your own site should be done by posting it on your site.
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aaronpk and either way I'd still need to figure out how to display it
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tantek aaronpk - so if you want to make it *even longer* until you have checking in and posting photos on your site, then the PESOS route will delay that for you
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tantek if all you want to do is figure out how to display it - just create a sample post by hand in markdown
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tantek and eventually if that post type is something you do often, you can build a simple posting UI
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tantek since tommorris and benwerd have both built checkin posting UIs I don't think it can be that bad
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tantek especially maybe you can borrow some idno php to do it
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aaronpk actually I'm still planning to just use Checkie
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tantek barnabywalters - I totally don't understand your home page brainstorm. but that's ok. I can tell there is awesomeness going on. :)
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tantek aaronpk - latest checkie crashes on launch on my ipod
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aaronpk oh sad
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tantek aaronpk - this is what happen when you tap the "Contact" icon folder in my concept prototype: http://indiewebcamp.com/Falcon#Contact_expanded
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barnabywalters tantek: heh :) it is a little cryptic and badly scanned
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aaronpk well I'll be digging into the source of Checkie to make it work for me, can see what the crash is then maybe
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barnabywalters hopefully most of it will be a reality soon
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tantek cool
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aaronpk tantek: that's awesome. I don't even want to know how long it took you to make that.
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tantek these are screenshots made by re-arranging icons on iOS home screen
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tantek figured I'd do the concept art first before trying to code it in HTML+CSS
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aaronpk there's an app called "Twitter DM"?
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tantek there's a URL for that :)
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barnabywalters iOS homescreen as a prototyping tool — never heard that one before
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tantek where if *you* tap it, it opens mobile twitter website to the DM tantek page
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aaronpk yes but how did you get that icon on your site!
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aaronpk s/site/iPod
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Loqi aaronpk meant to say: yes but how did you get that icon on your iPod!
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tantek action icon, Add to Home Screen
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tantek ;)
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tantek I know it's funny - it makes it look like there's a super secret new "Twitter DM" iOS app coming
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aaronpk it's a web page?
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tantek barnabywalters - yes - it's the first time I've used the iOS homescreen for prototyping
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tantek yes
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tantek hence: there's a URL for that :)
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aaronpk i can't find the URL
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barnabywalters is it one of the twitter intent URLs?
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tantek aaronpk: https://mobile.twitter.com/t/messages
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tantek if you click that you should see a field to send me a new DM
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aaronpk !!
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tantek it's a web app world!
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tantek actions have URLs
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aaronpk wow JSON in HTML tags <meta name="twitter-redirect-srcs" content="{&quot;pwreset-iphone&quot;:true,&quot;android&quot;:true,&quot;email&quot;:true}">
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snarfed on a related note, you all are probably familiar with it, but just in case, we found this page pretty good when we were working on handling de facto URL intent schemes on ios: http://wiki.akosma.com/IPhone_URL_Schemes
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snarfed http://handleopenurl.com/ might also be good, but i haven't tried it yet
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tantek that wiki is pretty neat
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tantek aaronpk did it work for you?
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snarfed i'll post those links on /icon in a bit
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aaronpk tantek: yeah
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aaronpk that's crazy
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tantek were you able to type a DM?
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tantek this is what happens when you spend more time in the mobile web version of a site than in their "native app" ;)
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aaronpk yep and it even said "The message was sent" instead of how it used to say "The tweet was posted" which gave me a bit of a panic attack every time
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tantek replied :)
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aaronpk nice
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tantek so now you have your direct DM URL that you can share with others
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tantek so they can click it to start writing a DM to you.
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aaronpk tapped the push notification which launched the twitter app, still waiting for the twitter app to load the message history so I can read it
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aaronpk appfail
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tantek what happened?
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tantek yeah the twitter "native app" is sooooo slooooooww
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aaronpk twitter app isn't loading things
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tantek makes you wonder what's the point
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tantek see, browsers are VERY GOOD at loading things
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tantek so native app authors have to all write their own loading code and get it wrong in so many ways
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tantek per barnabywalters's observation: https://twitter.com/t/status/408745059480535040
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@t web++: iOS home screen web icons auto-update when you tap them.
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aaronpk well all this stuff is making me really excited to have time to work on my site again!
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aaronpk hopefully can make some progress this weekend and next week!
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snarfed agreed, i can't wait to carve out some time to hack together a "contact me" userstyle too
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snarfed …on a totally unrelated note, i'm still ironing out kinks, but http://brid.gy/ is getting pretty usable and ready for alpha testers
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snarfed if you POSSE posts to silos, and you accept webmentions, feel free to try it out!
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aaronpk wow
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aaronpk definitely going to try that
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aaronpk that's awesome
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snarfed thanks!
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tantek snarfed - VERY COOL
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snarfed thanks guys. please hold your praise until you see it actually work though. always conservative :P
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aaronpk snarfed: whoa so I just logged in with twitter... now what
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snarfed nothing!
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snarfed you're done
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aaronpk would be nice to be taken to a page explaining something
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snarfed definitely
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aaronpk cause otherwise it looks like it didn't do anything cause i'm back on the home page
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snarfed right
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snarfed do you see your account?
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aaronpk i see it in the "registered accounts" list
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snarfed great!
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aaronpk how do you know where to send them!
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snarfed refresh the page and see if it has "last polled" and "recent comments" links
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snarfed original post discovery algorithm!
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snarfed (boom)
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aaronpk oh man
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snarfed oh man indeed
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snarfed again though, let's see if it actually works for you, then maybe we can get excited
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aaronpk HAH my bad... I'm not accepting aaron.pk webmentions yet
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aaronpk can you delete my account and I'll add it back after I fix that?
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snarfed sure! will do
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aaronpk I see in my logs that it tried to send a bunch to me
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snarfed woohoo, seeing exceptions already. time to fix bugs
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snarfed deleting you now
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aaronpk omg that's brilliant
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aaronpk https://www.brid.gy/comment/twitter/aaronpk/406086320872620032/406087161155702784
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barnabywalters snarfed: I accidentally signed up before checking: does bridgy prevent backfeed of tweets which are POSSE copies?
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snarfed it only backfeeds comments to POSSE posts
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snarfed not the POSSE posts themselves
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aaronpk ooh good point
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snarfed er, comments aka replies
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aaronpk no like if benwerd replies to me on twitter, he also sent the webmention from his own site
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aaronpk I don't need his twitter copy
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barnabywalters snarfed: but if someone POSSEs replies, will the POSSE tweets have webmentions sent too?
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aaronpk maybe that's actually something my site should sort out!
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snarfed ah. right. i don't do second level de-duping like that
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barnabywalters this was the big stumbling block I hit up against last time I tried implementing twitter backfeed
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tantek aaronpk > " my bad... I'm not accepting aaron.pk webmentions yet" HAH!
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tantek :P
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snarfed maybe so, yeah. i like that it only sends webmentions, it doesn't decide if or what to render on your site
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aaronpk barnabywalters: yeah actually I think that's the responsibility of your own site to de-dupe!
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aaronpk or even augment the reply on your site with a syndication link!
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snarfed aaronpk: deleting UI and auth is up next, thanks for the nudge
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barnabywalters aaronpk: yes, worth checking though as I need to implement that before starting to use bridgy :)
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tantek yes - site responsibility to de-dup
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snarfed heh. also, all you alpha testers, feel free to wade through the links to logs. i included those since i knew you all write code and wouldn't be scared of them