#indiewebcamp 2013-12-14

2013-12-14 UTC
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julian`
is it a good idea to have a separate version of a site for mobile devices etc with media queries
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julian`
or is that not good practice
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_doge
hi
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_doge
cryptocoins are awesome, they get people running non-app-store software on their own computer :)
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Loqi
[@benwerd] "The decentralized web"
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Loqi
a meme that's spreading fast. Pleased about that. http://www.freepress.net/blog/2013/12/11/decentralized-web #indieweb (http://twtr.io/fsEhN4yWKj)
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@carcoco9999
RT @aral: Meet the open source GitHub: GitLab. http://gitlab.org #indieweb
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Loqi
[@nchenga] “@benwerd: "The decentralized web"
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Loqi
a meme that's spreading fast. Pleased about that. http://www.freepress.net/blog/2013/12/11/decentralized-web #indieweb” (http://twtr.io/fsFXX0ZJnU)
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@imouthes
RT @aral: Meet the open source GitHub: GitLab. http://gitlab.org #indieweb
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aaronpk
snarfed: ok I just fixed accepting webmentions to my short URLs, so I think I can try bridgy again!
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aaronpk
i'm a little scared to turn it on since I still have a few other glitches I need to handle with webmention processing
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snarfed
heh, i know how you feel
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aaronpk
like I'm pretty sure i'm gonna get double comments from people like barnaby and benwerd, both their own comment and the twitter posse version
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snarfed
the agony and ecstasy of launching something that already has lots of prod traffic
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snarfed
yeah, i remember that discussion
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snarfed
eh, ship it and see what the actual problems are
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aaronpk
heh yep
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aaronpk
I can't wait to get instagram working too
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snarfed
you'll be happy to know i'm working on likes/favorites right now
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aaronpk
oh sweet
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aaronpk
that means I need to step that up on my list
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snarfed
yeah there's not enough prior art for those, so i'll be glad to see more
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aaronpk
oh I don't even have an issue for that yet
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aaronpk
how did my own twitter reply end up there?
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snarfed
it walks the reply chain
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snarfed
for twitter specifically
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aaronpk
oh? interesting
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aaronpk
I don't think that's technically correct
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snarfed
true, but in practice imho it's what you want
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aaronpk
although this page does actually link to my first reply, heh https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/411318907790573568
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@aaronpk
@Monica_Drake That's crazy! Hope you made it off the bridge ok! I managed to escape thx to a maneuverable car2go! (http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/12/12/4/)
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snarfed
the twitter reply chain is a conversation about the original tweet just like the list of comment on another site
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snarfed
but still, yeah, it was a judgment call
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aaronpk
hm interesting
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aaronpk
I was going with the assumption that my rendering of a conversation is not good enough yet
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aaronpk
so I only show direct replies to posts in the section below my posts
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aaronpk
and that at some point I would improve that
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snarfed
you could technically do it by having webmentions fan out
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snarfed
ie if you get a wm for a reply of your own, you send a matching one to the post you replied to
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aaronpk
kind of yeah
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aaronpk
but don't think of a webmention as a special kind of message
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aaronpk
what youv'e done with this is exactly how I would have expected it to work: https://www.brid.gy/comment/twitter/aaronpk/411316207187275776/411318907790573568
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snarfed
glad to hear it!
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snarfed
it is interesting to think about the two models. reply to replies vs all reply to the post. this works for now though
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aaronpk
notice you didn't need to tell me to change my webmention processing for my own reply to show up
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snarfed
hmm yeah
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snarfed
on an unrelated note, this also shows that i should replace t.co links with the actual urls, since twitter provides them
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snarfed
taking a note
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aaronpk
couldn't hurt to at least find what the t.co version links to, hard-coded for twitter
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aaronpk
rather than resolving all redirects on all URLs
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snarfed
fortunately twitter gives you the original url
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snarfed
in their API response
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aaronpk
even easier
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aaronpk
hm so now my timestamp is linking to the brid.gy URL, rather than the URL brid.gy says is canonical
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snarfed
yeah i figured that would trip up some code
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aaronpk
I remember implementing that and wondering whcih URL I should link to
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snarfed
since in almost all of our own cases, the fetched url is the same as the internal u-url
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aaronpk
a) the actual source URL from the webmention request, or b) the URL that the parsed h-entry refers to
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snarfed
yup, proxies like this are one argument for using the actual data rather than the metadata source url
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snarfed
there may be counterarguments, but meh
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aaronpk
I think I actually started by using the URL from the h-entry, but that was causing problems when it couldn't find peopels' URLs or something
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aaronpk
I should proabbly switch back to that and fix up error handling
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snarfed
ah right. so you want fallback
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Loqi
I agree
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snarfed
loqi you so crazy
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aaronpk
wow it's so crazy to see twitter replies on my site
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aaronpk
hah there is a whole code block commented out for this
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snarfed
oh man, you predicted it
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snarfed
yeah, it's an interesting feeling. we've had such a small, curated community, everything has been so pristine and controlled
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snarfed
and this opens the floodgates
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aaronpk
hah true
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aaronpk
I think it's already prompted people to go improve handling of things, given that most people disabled bridgy immediately after receiving a few mentions
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snarfed
i did notice that
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snarfed
hopefully they come back!
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aaronpk
i'm sure they will! this is a good impetus to improve things!
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snarfed
glad to hear it!
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aaronpk
finally un-shortened twitter profile URLs on my reply contexts e.g. http://aaron.pk/r4Sx1
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aaronpk
no more t.co on my site I hope
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snarfed
ah good for you
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snarfed
beat me to it
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aaronpk
*whew* managed to finally find one of sandeep's "like" posts of an article of mine
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aaronpk
!tell tantek you will probably be happy to know I finally now accept webmentions of my short URLs https://github.com/aaronpk/p3k/issues/27
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snarfed
ah, thanks for the like example
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snarfed
i've been collecting others and notes in the bridgy readme
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aaronpk
oh great
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aaronpk
also feel free to add to here as well http://indiewebcamp.com/like
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aaronpk
is sandeep.io the only one sending actual u-likes right now?
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snarfed
true, that's the permanent one
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snarfed
i think ben might author thm
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snarfed
but not sure about sending webmentions
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snarfed
barry frost claims to accept them: http://barryfrost.com/how-to-comment
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aaronpk
ah wow
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aaronpk
that's a really good page too
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snarfed
k, i'm off for now. thanks for signing up, glad you're on board!
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aaronpk
totally! me not accepting webmentions for short uRLs was the only thing stopping me!
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aaronpk
will be fun to see how this goes
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snarfed
definitely!
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aaronpk
heh I need another term for bridge since you already called yours brid.gy
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aaronparecki.com
edited /micropub (+530) "/* Response */ add note about returning short URLs when creating posts"
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aaronparecki.com
edited /micropub (+31) "/* Create */ this isn't markdown"
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@xusy2k
RT @aral: Meet the open source GitHub: GitLab. http://gitlab.org #indieweb
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snarfed
!tell tantek hey, i'm thinking about p-like and p-repost as possible experimental properties on h-entry, as embedded likes/reposts of the parent h-entry. parallels the existing experimental p-comment property. thoughts? if so, mind giving User:Snarfed edit privileges on the mf wiki? thanks!
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