#indiewebcamp 2013-12-23

2013-12-23 UTC
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tantek aaronpk - awesome!
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tantek been watching your conversation with snarfed too
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aaronpk cool, yeah it's been interesting having tweets stream in to my site!
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tantek all the pieces are coming together
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aaronpk totally! it's really exciting!
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KartikPrabhu my little bit about the death of blogging: http://kartikprabhu.com/article/blogging-dead
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snarfed well written, KartikPrabhu!
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KartikPrabhu thanks! :)
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snarfed i didn't realize you did theoretical physics and cosmology. cool!
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snarfed i really enjoyed a physics lecture series i listened to recently. http://snarfed.org/2013-11-20_understanding-relativity
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KartikPrabhu yeah! I am on my way to getting a PhD. Coincidentally I'm also writing a series on understanding relativity using only pictures and drawings. First part if you're interested: http://kartikprabhu.com/article/euclids-space Must get back to writing more soon, have been slacking off on that front!
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snarfed thanks! added to my queue
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KartikPrabhu cool! maybe that'll push me to write more than the first chapter :P
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: hey, btw, http://kartikprabhu.com/about doesn't seem to be rendering quite right for me
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snarfed in either firefox or chrome
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KartikPrabhu uh oh! i must have broken something! Thanks for point it out!
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: fixed! could you confirm?
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snarfed confirmed!
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snarfed looks great
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snarfed (KartikPrabhu)
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KartikPrabhu sanrfed: thanks! that'll teach me to check before changing class-names
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Jihaisse Hello
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Loqi [mention] http://kartikprabhu.com/article/blogging-dead linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://kartikprabhu.com/article/blogging-dead linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (webmention)
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@nerdware Indieweb principles | Beyond The Beyond | http://www.wired.com/ http://www.wired.com/beyond_the_beyond/2013/12/indieweb-principles/ (twitter.com/_/status/415080692284813314)
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ShaneHudson What does everybody think about automatically creating a backup of every page you link to from a site?
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jonnybarnes as in from your own site?
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jonnybarnes you can do it with the way-back machine. Here's tantek's XFN post: https://web.archive.org/web/20131223130010/http://tantek.com/2013/349/b1/xfn-10th-anniversary
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jonnybarnes but as it appears right now
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pdurbin KartikPrabhu: you might like this about ownCloud: http://twit.tv/show/floss-weekly/274
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pdurbin they talk about federation
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aaronpk ShaneHudson: we've done some brainstorming on that here: http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieArchive
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KartikPrabhu pdurbin: thanks for the link about ownCloud. Will check it ou
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ShaneHudson aaronpk: Ah nice, thanks. I was thinking of just doing it like: "You can check that over at [this wikipedia link [backup here]"
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ShaneHudson If that makes any sense!
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aaronpk sure, that makes sense
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tantek.com edited /IndieArchive (+613) "origins, provide some more findable text" (view diff)
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tantek ShaneHudson: you may be interested in http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieArchive (re: archiving stuff you link to)
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tantek hah - just saw link from aaronpk :)
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aaronpk :)
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tantek nice post KartikPrabhu: http://kartikprabhu.com/article/blogging-dead
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tantek also I've really been appreciating: http://frankchimero.com/blog/2013/12/homesteading-2014/
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barnabywalters tantek: oh yes that frank chimero article is good. a few mentions of people-centric UI
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tantek the architect building their own house is a good analogy
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tantek benwerd had a solid response to the blog dead thing too
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KartikPrabhu tantek: thanks! I just read the frank chimero article. very good analogy indeed
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tantek tries to search werd.io for the that post
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@t Monday morning #indieweb reads: * http://werd.io/2013/the-blog-might-be-dying-but-the-webs-about-to * http://frankchimero.com/blog/2013/12/homesteading-2014/ * http://kartikprabhu.com/article/blogging-dead (ttk.me t4Th1) (twitter.com/_/status/415178450253905920)
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@JayGreasley @t funnily enough, I thought of the indieweb when reading @fchimero's homesteading post (twitter.com/_/status/415178731397730305)
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@t Call yourself a web architect? Where is *your* handcrafted home page? (per @fchimero's architect analogy) #indieweb (ttk.me t4Th2) (twitter.com/_/status/415180443559141376)
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@tangiblej RT @t: Call yourself a web architect? Where is *your* handcrafted home page? (per @fchimero's architect analogy) #indieweb (ttk.me t4Th2) (twitter.com/_/status/415180855695659008)
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@kevinmarks I was going to write a "blogging's not dead" post, then I remembered I already did http://epeus.blogspot.com/2008/11/bloggings-not-dead-its-becoming-like.html #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/415182931078832128)
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tantek !tell KevinMarks your "blogging's not dead" post needs an update, mentioning what *has* died in that post since that post, e.g. Google Reader sharing, Technorati State of the Blogosphere, etc. Perhaps even some of the sidebar links.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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ShaneHudson I quite like how Zeldman put it about it being just publishing to your own website instead of strictly 'blogging'
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@ShaneHudson RT @t: Monday morning #indieweb reads: * http://werd.io/2013/the-blog-might-be-dying-but-the-webs-about-to * http://frankchimero.com/blog/2013/12/homesteading-2014/ * http://kartikprabhu.com/article/blogging-dead (ttk.me t4Th1) (twitter.com/_/status/415186002169167872)
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@ShaneHudson RT @t: Call yourself a web architect? Where is *your* handcrafted home page? (per @fchimero's architect analogy) #indieweb (ttk.me t4Th2) (twitter.com/_/status/415186011912536065)
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KartikPrabhu ShaneHudson: got a link to Zeldman's post?
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: probably http://www.zeldman.com/2013/12/11/this-is-a-website/
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ShaneHudson that's the one
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KartikPrabhu thanks!
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snarfed aaronpk: just fyi, i'm trying to debug a webmention failure against indiewebcamp.com, but i also see an almost identical one that succeeded, so i'm a bit confused
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snarfed successful: https://www.brid.gy/log?start_time=1387737550&key=aglzfmJyaWQtZ3lyNQsSCFJlc3BvbnNlIid0YWc6dHdpdHRlci5jb20sMjAxMzo0MDkxMzI0NzI0MjU2NjQ1MTIM
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snarfed failed: https://www.brid.gy/log?start_time=1387820307&key=aglzfmJyaWQtZ3lyNQsSCFJlc3BvbnNlIid0YWc6dHdpdHRlci5jb20sMjAxMzozOTYwMzE2ODA1NTUwMjAyODgM
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@benwerd RT @t: Call yourself a web architect? Where is *your* handcrafted home page? (per @fchimero's architect analogy) #indieweb (ttk.me t4Th2) (twitter.com/_/status/415190351008116736)
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snarfed the markup for the two source pages is identical. the only meaningful difference i see is that the successful one has 7 u-reposts, and the failed one only has 3. i doubt that matters, but who knows
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snarfed not urgent. ping if you have any q's, happy to answer them
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@tabatkins RT @t: Monday morning #indieweb reads: * http://werd.io/2013/the-blog-might-be-dying-but-the-webs-about-to * http://frankchimero.com/blog/2013/12/homesteading-2014/ * http://kartikprabhu.com/article/blogging-dead (ttk.me t4Th1) (twitter.com/_/status/415190853548638210)
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@gridinoc RT @t: Call yourself a web architect? Where is *your* handcrafted home page? (per @fchimero's architect analogy) #indieweb (ttk.me t4Th2) (twitter.com/_/status/415198008784220160)
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@jkphl @t Under construction, topping-out ceremony on New Year ;) My first ever personal one. Merry Xmas! #NewYearsResolution #indieweb +@fchimero (twitter.com/_/status/415208408900718592)
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Loqi [mention] http://gondwanaland.com/mlog/2013/12/23/blog-indie-radio-static/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/WordPress (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://gondwanaland.com/mlog/2013/12/23/blog-indie-radio-static/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Jekyll (pingback)
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@marknca RT @t: Monday morning #indieweb reads: * http://werd.io/2013/the-blog-might-be-dying-but-the-webs-about-to * http://frankchimero.com/blog/2013/12/homesteading-2014/ * http://kartikprabhu.com/article/blogging-dead (ttk.me t4Th1) (twitter.com/_/status/415222152091009025)
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Loqi tommorris: tantek left you a message 1 week ago: - feel free to fork my houserules cc0 ;)
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tantek heh
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tommorris tantek: I may just do that.
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tommorris also, just been cranking on some ferocity code
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aaronpk tommorris: oo nice! can't wait to see the updates!
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tommorris aaronpk: mostly they are admin fixes.
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tommorris custom tweet text. so if I’m posting something long I can rejiggle the tweet text
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aaronpk ah cool
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aaronpk yeah I have a lot of that kind of stuff on my list too. it's not as fun to work on cause it's not visible
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barnabywalters aaronpk: easy fix for that is to make your admin interfaces public ;)
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aaronpk hah!
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aaronpk well actually
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aaronpk funny you should mention that
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tantek barnabywalters - good point. is there a page on admin interfaces?
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barnabywalters tantek: I don’t think so, yet
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tantek I vaguely remember you or aaronpk have some screenshots or gifs of your admin/posting interfaces somewhere
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barnabywalters btw mine is available for public viewing, including new location UI: http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/new
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tantek maybe on the pages for your projects?
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tantek that's not really an "admin" page though
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tantek it's more of an authoring / writing / editing page
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barnabywalters what constitutes an “admin” page then? a generic dumping ground for controls which should probably be in-context?
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tantek when I think of admin I think of all the crap that has nothing to do with content
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tantek backup, permissions, etc.
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tantek configuration nonsense
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tantek based on your example, thinking "create"
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barnabywalters hm, taproot doesn’t really have an admin UI in that sense, other than a config file and command line UI
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tantek right, most of our admin UIs are just command line and config files
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tantek that's not the easiest thing for others to install / setup / maintains
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tantek I realize such admin UIs are not a high priority, but they are "UIs" and we should admit their current state
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tantek in comparison, WordPress has quite an extensive "admin" UI
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tantek I'm guessing that idno might have more of an admin UI since benwerd has been working on making it easier for others to install / update / contribute
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tantek something about indiewebcamp.com is really slow right now
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tantek :/
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tantek ugh - loading so many resources
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benwerd wakes up
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benwerd I've got site settigs (name etc), paths, plugins, templating and service-specific posse settings in an admin panel
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tantek you might have the only "admin panel" of any of us (that have self-built projects)
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benwerd They're pretty basic for now: http://idno.co/screens/admin/
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tantek.com created /create (+349) "stub with indieweb examples, Barnaby's "new post" UI" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: took a few shots at the lets_talk.user.css (https://github.com/snarfed/misc/blob/master/userscripts/lets_talk.user.css). I have no idea how to use CSS to tackle arbitrary nesting in h-cards.
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tantek.com edited /design (+12) "/* See Also */ admin" (view diff)
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: thanks for trying! agreed, we probably can't get to that full vision with CSS. i bet we could do it with JS though…
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KartikPrabhu yes. A JS powered microformats parser would do the trick
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tantek damn autofilll
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tantek.com edited /admin (-1) "created stub with idno example, never mind previous edit summary (autofill fail)" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: http://microformatshiv.com/ might be something to consider
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snarfed oh wow, definitely!
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aaronpk tantek: is the wiki still slow for you right now? seems to be super fast from here
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snarfed aaronpk: re the wiki, any idea about that webmention failure against it i mentioned earlier?
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snarfed totally unimportant
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snarfed i'm just curious
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aaronpk haven't had a chance to look yet
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snarfed np!
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aaronpk sounds strange tho
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snarfed very
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snarfed may well be a bug on my side, i just haven't figured it out yet
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@xtof_fr @mmistakes Bravo for your #jekyll theme. Just trying to figure out it could be a bit more #indieweb-friendly http:///so-simple-theme-fr/articles/sosimple-indieweb-todo/ (twitter.com/_/status/415266536840904704)
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tommorris tantek: fork successful - http://wiki.tommorris.org/House_Rules
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