#indiewebcamp 2014-01-08

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aaronpk
heh i'm gonna have to change that at some point soon
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snarfed
u-url strikes again!
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aaronpk
also I should probably parse the page so I can say things like "reshared" and "liked" instead of just "linked to"
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caseorganic
!tell barnaby: happy birthday!
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@tonnet
The blog might be dying, but the web's about to fight back http://werd.io/view/52b4abdebed7de800c1e04c8 #indieweb
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@CodesLikeAGirl
.@ownCloud 6 is super slick! http://owncloud.org/six/ Dropbox &/or Google Drive users, I highly recommend switching. #ownYourData
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@MadHatterish
RT @caseorganic: Giving a #futuretalk at @newrelic in Portland, OR this coming Monday on the #IndieWeb See you there? https://t.co/kbgV7hw9…
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@ScottRMcClure
Check "@caseorganic: Giving a #futuretalk at @newrelic in Portland, OR Monday on the #IndieWeb See you there? https://t.co/Kzpx0olRRw"
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@darinrs
RT @ScottRMcClure: Check "@caseorganic: Giving a #futuretalk at @newrelic in Portland, OR Monday on the #IndieWeb See you there? https://t.…
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@JohnMetta
Aaand with that, I have a) Working IndieAuth delegation on my site b) An increased number of beers I owe @donpdonp (I think I'm up to 12)
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@turoczy
RT @caseorganic: Giving a #futuretalk at @newrelic in Portland, OR this coming Monday on the #IndieWeb See you there? https://t.co/kbgV7hw9…
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@Design_PDX
RT @caseorganic: Giving a #futuretalk at @newrelic in Portland, OR this coming Monday on the #IndieWeb See you there? https://t.co/kbgV7hw9…
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KartikPrabhu
!tell snarfed: webmention accpet-header situation fixed. bridgy should not have any trouble now
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi
snarfed: KartikPrabhu left you a message 25 minutes ago: webmention accpet-header situation fixed. bridgy should not have any trouble now
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snarfed
thanks KartikPrabhu!
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@hertling
RT @caseorganic: Giving a #futuretalk at @newrelic in Portland, OR this coming Monday on the #IndieWeb See you there? https://t.co/kbgV7hw9…
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@LindaWestonpdx
RT @caseorganic: Giving a #futuretalk at @newrelic in Portland, OR this coming Monday on the #IndieWeb See you there? https://t.co/kbgV7hw9…
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@MattSayler
RT @caseorganic: Giving a #futuretalk at @newrelic in Portland, OR this coming Monday on the #IndieWeb See you there? https://t.co/kbgV7hw9…
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@kevinmarks
@abrams quite a few: freenode, AntennaPod, bbedit, indieWebcamp, http://t.co/zvIU5eGXLR, SwiftKey, flowpast, eventbrite, Hipmunk, yaaic
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@r1z4t
RT @caseorganic: Giving a #futuretalk at @newrelic in Portland, OR this coming Monday on the #IndieWeb See you there? https://t.co/kbgV7hw9…
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Loqi
Zegnat: tantek left you a message 9 hours, 48 minutes ago: are you using WebFinger on your own website? If not, why do you care about it at all? I suggest looking at IndieAuth instead: http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieAuth
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iboxifoo.com
created /User:Iboxifoo.com (+35) "Establish page"
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@patrikmalmberg
RT @kevinmarks: “It’s tempting to predict that 2014 will be the year the megaplatforms begin to falter.” http://www.buzzfeed.com/jwherrman/the-year-the-platforms-ruled-the-internet #indieweb
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jonnybarnes
does aonyone here include location info in their notes?
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jonnybarnes
would their be anything wrong with just marking up geo data with <wrap class="h-geo">...</>?
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cweiske
what semantic information do you want to encode?
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cweiske
where you wrote it, or where the event you're talking about happened?
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cweiske
maybe you talk about a city and the corrds are the city's
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barnabywalters
jonnybarnes: if all you have is lat/long, h-geo works. if you have an address or a “place” then h-adr or h-card are more appropriate
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barnabywalters
if publishing the location of a h-entry, you can use the p-location property too
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jonnybarnes
I'm working out how to add location info to me notes, so initially via javascript you get lat/lng values
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jonnybarnes
then if I want to turn that into a "place" so my note can end withs something like "3 hours ago in Manchester, UK"
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jonnybarnes
then how would I mark up manchester uk
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jonnybarnes
and the other issue is reverse geocoding isnt the most reliable in terms of the format of the response given
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jonnybarnes
at the moment I'm making a request to Google Map's reverse geocoding API, and taking all the different values of "formatted_address" and putting them as options in a select element in the new post UI so I can pick the most appropriate
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@ade_oshineye
Angelus Novus As A (Decentralised Federated Standardised Open IndieWeb) Service
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barnabywalters
jonnybarnes: this is the code I use for using Nominatim to turn a lat/long into mf2 h-adr structure: https://gist.github.com/barnabywalters/8318401
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barnabywalters
I’ll turn it into an actual package later on today, it’s been working well enough
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jonnybarnes
what syntax is ?: null
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barnabywalters
it’s a compact form of the ternary operator
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jonnybarnes
is that ? acting as a ternary operator
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barnabywalters
yep, except it returns the first argument if it’s truthy, falling back to the second
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jonnybarnes
yup, makes sense now :)
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jonnybarnes
now my only other problem is I can't currently use nominatim :(
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barnabywalters
see also http://indiewebcamp.com/Nominatim for a prose spec version of that
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barnabywalters
jonnybarnes: why not?
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jonnybarnes
well, atm moment I'm doing the reverse geo-coding client side
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jonnybarnes
and my site is on HTTPS, so an XmlHttpRequest to nominatim gets blocked by mixed-content rules
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barnabywalters
ah, that’s irritating
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barnabywalters
you could make a proxy endpoint
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jonnybarnes
but I still want to do it client side to confirm its the right address before posting
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@Peasquared
RT @caseorganic: Giving a #futuretalk at @newrelic in Portland, OR this coming Monday on the #IndieWeb See you there? https://t.co/kbgV7hw9…
(twitter.com/_/status/420940367869906944)
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jonnybarnes
yeah, my site is already on nginx so I was thinking of adding location /nominatim { } to the config
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jonnybarnes
anc putting the releavent proxy rules in there
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jonnybarnes
that should hopefully work
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EHLOVader
Good morning indiewebcampers
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barnabywalters
oh yeah that could be an easy solution
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barnabywalters
morning EHLOVader
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jonnybarnes
then theres the other issue of counties being hopelessly wrong in OSM
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EHLOVader
I came across a project that reminded me of your group, may even jumpstart the indieweb in my life. Have you heard of Sovereign?
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jonnybarnes
like manchester addressing being in Merseyside
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jonnybarnes
what does ansible mean?
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EHLOVader
to configure cloud services on a personal VPS.. cloud is probably misnomer
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EHLOVader
ansible is a powerful provisioning system
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EHLOVader
like puppet or chef
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jonnybarnes
looks interesting
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EHLOVader
but seems to be taking the web by storm, it is preferred now by most of the people I know that deal with stuff like that
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jonnybarnes
atm im using owncloud but it doesnt work properly
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EHLOVader
thought I would pop in, lurk some, and throw that your way
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jonnybarnes
it wont self-update, at all
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jonnybarnes
yeah, it uses angualar js but somethings gone wrong on the update page
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jonnybarnes
so none of the buttons do anything
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EHLOVader
I had though that there were services from your wiki that might suit it, but really all i found was libravatar and openvbx
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EHLOVader
and then that myopenid is closing
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EHLOVader
eek, that is useless
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EHLOVader
btw, I found someone i know irl on your group in the wiki, does gRegorLove show up in IRC often?
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barnabywalters
jonnybarnes: I’ve found being able to tweak my location on a map by hand *really* useful (example on http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/new)
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EHLOVader
he is more of an acquaintance, but was caught off guard when I saw his name on one of the projects
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EHLOVader
well jonnybarnes, did owncloud ever work right?
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EHLOVader
what did you think of it?
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EHLOVader
kinda sad it can only do odf and pdf viewing
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EHLOVader
not a real replacement for google apps, but there is some exciting stuff in that sovereign, like the CalDAV and CardDAV
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EHLOVader
and the RSS reader, and encrypted file system stored webmail
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EHLOVader
and ofc relocating my IRC bnc
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jonnybarnes
not really, but i think that was doe to having several SSL vhosts on my vps, so occassionaly connections to https://cloud.jonnybarnes.net/ were getting the wrong SSL cert
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EHLOVader
you use SNI?
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EHLOVader
I just found out that that was possible
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jonnybarnes
so I moved it to its own droplet
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EHLOVader
after buying a wildcard cert for 5 years
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EHLOVader
droplet?
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jonnybarnes
yeah, I just use startssl certs
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jonnybarnes
digitalocean.com
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EHLOVader
that is what one person used, are their verfied certs still $60/2yr if you wildcard them? or do they upcharge
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jonnybarnes
but it still doesnt really work properly
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EHLOVader
I have a vps
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jonnybarnes
I only have three certs with them but they all work and were free
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EHLOVader
$15/yr LEB from Crissic http://goo.gl/yFlsXr + Free (as in speech and beer) Sovereign http://goo.gl/KoxMDC + Free (as in beer) X.509 + SNI or $$$ wildcard X.509 https://www.startssl.com/ my formula for winning
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jonnybarnes
www., cloud. ad piwik.
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EHLOVader
I actually got this https://www.ssl2buy.com/alphassl-wildcard.php though, not a startssl
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EHLOVader
I was able to get the 5yr for $150 because I chatted and asked questions, they said they offer that to all the chat people
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EHLOVader
performance on that cloud is probably really good though... right/
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jonnybarnes
that looks pretty decent, it also does the root domain
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jonnybarnes
when I was looking for wildcards they would never do the root domain as well
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EHLOVader
yeah, I think it had everything but EV
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EHLOVader
really?
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EHLOVader
I thought that was the whole point
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EHLOVader
SNI changes things
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jonnybarnes
when it works :P
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EHLOVader
it is well supported now too I think
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EHLOVader
came out in 2007 right
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EHLOVader
oh your issues were still with that
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jonnybarnes
yeah, browsers always worked fine, but certain calendar software didnt
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jonnybarnes
it was also because my nginx configs weren't optimal, at least not for multiple ssl vhosts
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EHLOVader
oh, cal software
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EHLOVader
mobile seems to be the holdout
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EHLOVader
oh, nginx, I was looking into that, h5bp has a great config set
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EHLOVader
friend of mine suggested using that always, he clones it and then symlinks all the configs
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jonnybarnes
barnabywalters how do you get the marker to stay still?
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jonnybarnes
my particular issue was getting PFS on my root domain by adding default to that vhost block
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EHLOVader
actually jonnybarnes that digitialocean, did it come with an sla?
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jonnybarnes
I think that may be the reason the cloud subdomain wasnt working
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EHLOVader
I have seen LEB deals that are better
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barnabywalters
jonnybarnes: the code is in http://waterpigs.co.uk/js/app.js, line 237
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barnabywalters
feel free to reuse/adapt
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jonnybarnes
not sure about the sla
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EHLOVader
these are the VPSes I have collected, all LEB deals, so far so good https://gist.github.com/EHLOVader/eb857b552670e21f8849
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jonnybarnes
thanks barnabywalters
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EHLOVader
the chicagovps one was a cyber monday deal... but even if I am stuck with a bad host for three years, $1.66/mo isn't bad for those specs
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jonnybarnes
we came up with the same solution to giving LatLng values to leaflet :)
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EHLOVader
chicagovps also uses the same datacenter as ipxcore, and their service and uptime seems to be solid.
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jonnybarnes
barnabywalters I dont think the popup box is all visible
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barnabywalters
jonnybarnes: yeah, I haven’t figured out why that is yet
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barnabywalters
but it’s sufficiently visible to be usable
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jonnybarnes
how about trying a taler height to see if the popup becomes more visible? changing the height in FF's inspector tools makes the map taller but the marker doesnt change position
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barnabywalters
jonnybarnes: well really it needs to have a solid background colour, but bizarrely I haven’t been able to give it one
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barnabywalters
it looks completely different to the leaflet popup example styling
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barnabywalters
despite all my stylesheets and js being up to date
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jonnybarnes
making the map taller at least makes the text visible: http://imgur.com/YBlE4J9
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barnabywalters
jonnybarnes: indeed, but the popups should look like the demo ones on http://leafletjs.com/!
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barnabywalters
which would solve the height problem by being wider and closer to the marker
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jonnybarnes
I just borked FF
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jonnybarnes
by adding a popup that pushed the marker down, and setting a map move function to move the marker to the center.
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barnabywalters
jonnybarnes: yep, I had that problem too. see http://waterpigs.co.uk/js/app.js line 232
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barnabywalters
autoPan: false
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jonnybarnes
thats partly why your missing some of the popup text. the js want to relocate the map to fit in the popup and your stopping it
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jonnybarnes
i still down know why your popup isnt being styled thouhg
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aaronpk
barnabywalters! I just saw your note posting interface http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/new
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aaronpk
want to do something cool?
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barnabywalters
micro pub so you can use it to post on your site?
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aaronpk
and since your site is PHP I already wrote most of the code for you
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barnabywalters
I am actually moving towards a similar approach to p3k, with one endpoint for the creation of all new posts
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barnabywalters
can I discover your micropub URL when you log in using indieauth?
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barnabywalters
ooh I can indeed
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barnabywalters
<link rel="micropub_endpoint" href="https://aaronparecki.com/api/post">
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aaronpk
yea, you don't need to be logged in or anything
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aaronpk
i figure there's no harm in publishing that since it requires an access token to do anything
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barnabywalters
ah, so I need to implement some sort of indieauth oauth thing
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barnabywalters
hm is it really necessary to fetch the page multiple times for all the different endpoints
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aaronpk
it caches it
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barnabywalters
ah, using static properties — I’m not used to using them, didn’t notice them there :)
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aaronpk
ah yea it's confusing cause the methods all call fetchBody, but the fetchBody is the method that does the caching
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barnabywalters
very cool indeed
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barnabywalters
so now servers can make indieauth-authenticated + authorised requests on our behalf
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aaronpk
and we can build cool interfaces for posting things that other people can use
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barnabywalters
so for all of this to work securely we all need to be using https for our sites, correct?
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aaronpk
mostly yes
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barnabywalters
do we have a wiki page about that?
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aaronpk
really? wow
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barnabywalters
/Apache doesn’t have anything about https on
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aaronpk
there's a bit on /nginx
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aaronpk
thanks to bear i think
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barnabywalters
so /https should have overview, pros/cons, software-agnostic tips
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aaronpk
agreed
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barnabywalters
and then a “how to set up HTTPS on your site” section on each web server implementation page
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aaronpk
and info about how not to get screwed over when trying to buy an ssl cert
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aaronpk
and also a link to https://ssl.pin13.net/indiewebcamp/ for getting *.dev certs for testing locally
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barnabywalters
so at this point I need to admit that I know absolutely nothing about https and defer to more knowledgable people
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Zegnat
"how not to get screwed over when trying to buy an ssl cert" - tip: do not use hosting that forces you to buy through them.
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Zegnat
learned that the hard way
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barnabywalters
I’ll be the newbie learning how to implement HTTPS *from* the wiki pages :)
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aaronpk
barnabywalters: lol sounds good
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waterpigs.co.uk
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EHLOVader
are you signing certs for people now?
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barnabywalters
Zegnat: sounds like a good tip! care to add it to the stub page? http://indiewebcamp.com/https
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EHLOVader
that could or would benefit from SNI info and startssl free certs right?
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aaronpk
EHLOVader: yeah I am, for testing. I found it very useful to be able to create *.dev certs and point things like indieauth.dev to localhost so I can properly test
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EHLOVader
are the ones you sign basically as good as self signed?
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aaronpk
slightly more convenient
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EHLOVader
just for people who only have csr generators on hosts though?
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aaronpk
because once you add my root cert to your browser you don't get self-signed cert warnings
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Zegnat
barnabywalters: I would add it but I haven’t set-up my IndieAuth then. Debating about what domain I would use.
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EHLOVader
why not just startssl free class 1 cert?
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aaronpk
I don't think they'll sign a *.dev cert
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EHLOVader
oh, for code signing?
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: so what’s the process for fixing that, ringing up apple, microsoft, mozilla and google and asking them to add your root cert?
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EHLOVader
or domains that don't exist
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EHLOVader
you mean
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aaronpk
EHLOVader: no, you just can't get a cert from anybody for a domain that doesn't exist
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EHLOVader
I get you now
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aaronpk
barnabywalters: lol yea pretty much
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EHLOVader
wasn't sure that was the thing you meant....
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aaronpk
barnabywalters: although there are other orgs that can distribute your root cert for lots of $$
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aaronpk
either way it's prohibitively expensive and complicated
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barnabywalters
oh interesting — how?
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aaronpk
i did a bit of research on it, I could add to the wiki, but probably not on the main https page since it's kind of obscure information
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jonnybarnes
theres an article on konklone.com about ssl
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jonnybarnes
that I found informative
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: adding the link to your signing utility along with the explanation of why it’s useful would certainly be a good addition to /https though
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jonnybarnes
yup, thats the one
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waterpigs.co.uk
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jonnybarnes
I think in general startssl would be best to talk about o the wiki primarily because they're free
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jonnybarnes
so its easier for people to try out
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jonnybarnes
but the overall idea of ssl seems so old-fashioned to me. Why can't we have a WoT system for ssl certs? and thus bypassing root certificates
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jonnybarnes.net
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aaronparecki.com
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aaronparecki.com
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aaronpk
now there is a thing
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waterpigs.co.uk
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aaronpk
still needs more work but that's a start
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aaronparecki.com
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jonnybarnes
have you guys seen howsmyssl.com?
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barnabywalters
jonnybarnes: that looks like a handy tool, maybe add it to /https
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jonnybarnes
well, its tangentially related
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barnabywalters
I wonder how tricky it would be to create a similar site but for testing an implementation
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aaronpk
testing the server side?
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aaronpk
would be a good idea, especially since sometimes you need the intermediate certs installed otherwise it causes issues
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barnabywalters
jonnybarnes: well, if your browser is vulnerable then you’re compromised regardless of how well set up your server is, so I’d say it’s fairly relecant
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barnabywalters
s/relecant/relevant
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Loqi
barnabywalters meant to say: jonnybarnes: well, if your browser is vulnerable then you’re compromised regardless of how well set up your server is, so I’d say it’s fairly relevant
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jonnybarnes.net
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jonnybarnes.net
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jonnybarnes.net
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Zegnat
tantek: you asked yesterday if I was using WebFinger and why else I would care about its wiki page. I am not using it, only came upon it when reading the idno page and noticed the (wrong) link.
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Zegnat
And yes, I am looking at IndieAuth.
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EHLOVader
when you were talking about WoT certificates... did you guys mention Sovereign Keys?
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snarfed
reads logs
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snarfed
late to the party, but just fyi all, globalsign offers free wildcard ssl certs for open source projects: https://www.globalsign.com/ssl/ssl-open-source/
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snarfed
adding to the wiki
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aaronpk
great!
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jonnybarnes
so does aaronpk post notes through an API?
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aaronpk
I do have an API for posting notes now, however my main p3k interface hasn't been updated to use it yet
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jonnybarnes
interesting, and you were saying if before with barnabywalters, if we all used APIs we could post to our own sites off each others UIs?
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jonnybarnes
wouldn't we all need to use the same API though?
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jonnybarnes
wow, fascinating
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jonnybarnes
finally have a somewhat working version of location data on my notes :)
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jonnybarnes
I just need to work out how to send that to Twitter. If you just send LatLng values to Twitter will they automatically change that into a place name or not?
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snarfed.org
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jonnybarnes.net
edited /https (+858) "instructions for nginx"
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jonnybarnes
does Loqi have a rate-limit of how many tweets she'll post here?
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Loqi
dude
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aaronpk
the only rate limit is the IRC limit of 1 per second, and how fast the twitter streaming search API returns things (which is multiple per second)
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jonnybarnes.net
edited /https (+147) "adding a second comparison ssllabs result"
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aaronparecki.com
edited /https (-15) "apparently github does redirect to non-ssl sites. must have been thinking of something else."
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jonnybarnes
talking of https, does anyone know if nginx will support spdy/3 anytime soon?
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bear
jonnybarnes - you should point the https page to the nginx page since the config section is more detailed on it
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bear
nginx supports spdy now - yes
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aaronparecki.com
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jonnybarnes
it supports spdy/2
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jonnybarnes
but not spdy/3
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bear
the patches for spdy/3 are in the dev channel IIRC
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aaronpk
wow congrats everyone, we now have a pretty thorough page on https! amazing work!
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EHLOVader
for testing https connections for issues
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EHLOVader
mostly website
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aaronpk
feel free to add it to the page!
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EHLOVader
yeah...
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jonnybarnes.net
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bear
thanks jonny
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jonnybarnes.net
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jonnybarnes
bear, hows that. Ill add my php5-fpm note to the nginx page now :)
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EHLOVader
do you all know of any linux packages that offer services like these? http://www.google.com/intl/en/about/products/
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EHLOVader
mostly in the home office area
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EHLOVader
think I will never fully purge google from my life
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jonnybarnes
in fact, there's currently nothing about using PHP with nginx
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jonnybarnes.net
edited /nginx (+753) "adding PHP instructions"
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jonnybarnes.net
edited /nginx (+2) "/* Using PHP with nginx */ missed a bracket"
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jonnybarnes
as if appliances will bitch to each other in the future
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KartikPrabhu
jonnybarnes: behind paywall?
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jonnybarnes
oh, I though people got 8 free articles a month
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KartikPrabhu
jonnybarnes: oh sorry. Only sign-up required
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KartikPrabhu
is this supposed to be satire? If not, its is pretty mindless article
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jonnybarnes
I have no idea, the FT don't normally do satire
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jonnybarnes
they're normally quite serious about things
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jonnybarnes
I think the author, in story form, is expressing his uneasiness about everything being networked
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jonnybarnes
but its not the networking itself thats the problem, its all the data it produces
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jonnybarnes
we've already seen this past year people like the NSA love data!
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tantek
lol - there's no internet of things. only silos of things (currently, e.g. all the real world examples given in the article are all silos)
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jonnybarnes
tantek, do you think we could ever have an internet of things?
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tantek
we could. I'm still waiting for wifi and TCP/IP to work reliably
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tantek
e.g. stop getting those "someone else is using the IP address blah.blah.blah.blah" alerts
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tantek
or the wifi with the exclamation point icon (instead of a number of bars of signal)
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tantek
or 169. self-assigned addresses because the DHCP server is being dumb.
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tantek
etc. etc. etc..
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tantek
all this stuff barely works.
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tantek
*sometimes*
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marcthiele
tantek, we met briefly in Brooklyn and I was asking Jeremy how to contact you the best way. He said best is IRC. So here I am for the first time after using my C64
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tantek
you're using your C64 to chat on IRC? Awesome!
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marcthiele
I started telling you about Bastian and that he wants to run an Indie Web Camp around beyond tellerrand in May.
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marcthiele
not usin my C64 at the moment. But still have it build up right behind me. 2400 baud are way too slow I have to admit.
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tantek
who is Bastian?
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marcthiele
Bastian Allgeier.
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tantek
and encourage him to join the channel!
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tantek
anyone that wants to run an IndieWebCamp really needs to be on the channel to connect with the existing community.
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tantek
hmm - getkirby is a product not a person
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EHLOVader
I bet the C64 could handle irssi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7YPwls1m9Q sort of
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KartikPrabhu
about internet of things: here is a good short fiction exploring the idea http://optional.is/required/2013/12/11/spimes-a-happy-birthday-story/
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KartikPrabhu
overlook the few typos that still exist
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tantek
is the http://thenittygritty.co/ a magazine site?
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tantek
marcthiele - before running an IndieWebCamp, perhaps encourage Bastian to get on the Indie Web himself.
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marcthiele
His own site is http://bastianallgeier.com/, but I thought the blog posts are more relevant for you.
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tantek
why is he posting not on his own site then?
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tantek
anyone, step 0, get him to join the channel, per http://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started and then folks here can help get on the indieweb.
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tantek
in general I'd say it's more important for folks to get on the IndieWeb than run an indiewebcamp, I'd see it as a pre-requisite in fact.
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tantek
since we want to encourage more doing than talking.
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marcthiele
True, but to let more people know about it, I think it is also important to run the camps, isn't it?
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tantek
not if the camps are run by someone who is talking more than doing - and not having (and not posting on) your own indieweb site would be more talking than doing
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EHLOVader
the do things is important
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tantek
it's actually an anti-pattern to focus on the telling
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tantek
or the camping
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tantek
because then the message is empty, hollow
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tantek
much more important that anyone who runs a camp is *living* the indieweb themselves to set a good example
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EHLOVader
is highly guilty of talk
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EHLOVader
planning
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EHLOVader
the waiting, perfecting
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tantek
marcthiele - so let's start with this - add yourself to http://indiewebcamp.com/IRC-people
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EHLOVader
the first time you do anything it will suck, it is highly likely, but to never do it is worse
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tantek
and then encourage Bastian to do the same
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KartikPrabhu
EHLOVader: nice link on 'doing'...
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tantek
EHLOVader - well said.
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EHLOVader
not 100% my words... have you heard of ze frank?
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marcthiele
Great. Thanks for a starting point. Have to take care of the kids and get them to bed now, but back later (and after I added myself and todl basti to do so).
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tantek
good good
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tantek
and welcome!
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tantek
hope to see you more around these parts :)
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marcthiele
be sure!
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EHLOVader
needs to move ehlovader.com and throw some rel=me links
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tantek
do it!
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EHLOVader
were you in here when I was talking cloud server?
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EHLOVader
I got a new vps, plan to setup sovereign, and indiewebcamp was on the mind when planning it
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EHLOVader
so indieauth would work.. which btw, who uses indie auth...
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peat
EHLOVader: I use indieauth.com as a delegate for my OpenID.
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EHLOVader
does that work?
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EHLOVader
so I can throw indieauth into any openid field and it should auth/
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EHLOVader
once i have it setup
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aaronpk
you'd enter your own domain of course
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EHLOVader
nice, thanks
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EHLOVader
wait, how does your indieauth do the sms
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peat
Magic.
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EHLOVader
it can actually sms someone?
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EHLOVader
well you
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EHLOVader
and ask for a pin
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aaronpk
try it :)
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EHLOVader
clever girl.gif
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peat
Heh. I think aaronpk gets billed for it. So, you know, try as often as you like.
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EHLOVader
twilio?
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aaronpk
I should figure out some way to not get billed for it, lol
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EHLOVader
do you get free ones?
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EHLOVader
I forget what they offer
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aaronpk
I think I used up my free credits already
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jonnybarnes
how much does that cost aaronpk?
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aaronpk
i forget
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EHLOVader
look into that... you might save some money
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EHLOVader
100 texts per month
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aaronpk
that's probably enough for a while
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EHLOVader
you also get some talk time
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KevinMarks
realised he wasn't in IRC-people
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marcthiele.com
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marcthiele.com
created /User:Marcthiele.com (+448) "Created page with "[[Image:marcthiele.jpg|right|200px|Marc Thiele]] = Marc Thiele = beyond tellerrand founder * http://marcthiele.com (relaunch in progress) * http://beyondtellerrand.com * [http:...""
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marcthiele
The desctiption for registering a nick on http://indiewebcamp.com/IRC is slightly wrong. It also needs "email" as a parameter to register your nick
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aaronpk
feel free to update the page :)
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marcthiele.com
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tantek
reminder: one week until the next Homebrew Website Club meeting! next Wednesday in both SF and PDX: http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-15-homebrew-website-club
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peat
... figured I should add myself, too.
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tantek
peat - awesome
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marcthiele
also done adding myself. Proofed again that I am so bad at writing about myself.
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KevinMarks
hm. https://blog.heroku.com/archives/2014/1/8/json_schema_for_heroku_platform_api has a JSON scema for the API that isn't readable by a browser.
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KevinMarks
not quite XMDP
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KevinMarks
I should get JSONtoXOXO back up
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tantek
or the reverse to satisfy all the JSON consumers out there
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tantek
the theory being that XOXO is easier to publish
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tantek
oh boy
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snarfed
yeah, aaronpk mentioned wanting to use the actual tweet (etc) permalink instead of bridgy's
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snarfed
and maybe being quieter about likes/favorites
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snarfed
low priority, of course
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aaronpk
heh that's basically equivalent to twitter's "___ liked a tweet you were mentioned in"
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aaronpk
er, "favorited" not "liked"
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KevinMarks
I had both ways working before, yes.
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KevinMarks
I found the jsontoXOXO handy for reading arbitrary JSON APIs
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tantek
sure, making them more human readable
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KevinMarks
massive UX fail du jour: if you lcik on the 'save' button on https://code.google.com/apis/ajax/playground/?type=visualization when not logged in, it logs you in and deletes your edits
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KevinMarks
"The emphasis doesn’t seem to be on the authors themselves, but rather on the authority of the sites they’re writing for"
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@benwerd
Brid.gy is an awesome tool that links the IndieWeb with silo networks https://www.brid.gy/
(twitter.com/_/status/421063912574840832)
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@erik_paulson
RT @benwerd: Brid.gy is an awesome tool that links the IndieWeb with silo networks https://www.brid.gy/
(twitter.com/_/status/421065111223025664)
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snarfed
aww thanks benwerd!
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benwerd
Thank *you*! Also, that tweet, and a reply to aaronpk, were also part of a screen recording indieweb demo, which I'll upload this evening.
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@snarfed_org
RT @benwerd: Brid.gy is an awesome tool that links the IndieWeb with silo networks https://www.brid.gy/
(twitter.com/_/status/421066511457865728)
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snarfed
fun! looking fwd to it