#indiewebcamp 2014-02-01

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jeena.net
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aaronpk
Jeena: now you can never write a post about the indieweb again, since you just used your "/indieweb" slug for that :)
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tantek
for that matter, that's a pretty good use of that slug.
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@KiwiMovers
Check out our new video on getting a survey when moving home luke@indieweb.co.nz
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EHLOVader
I feel like my znc either ate some of the log here, or I missed something on my other laptop before I headed home.
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EHLOVader
oh yeah
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EHLOVader
Jeena, reading your post, thanks, I somehow missed indiewebify.me when looking into this
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EHLOVader
question on the notes.. is there any case where it isn't just your notes shown on your list?
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EHLOVader
or any time when they are mixed with others.. anyone else might know the answer to this too
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EHLOVader
I just was curious, it was kinda odd having an avatar on each one if they will all be you
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Jeena
yeah it should be the starting point for everybody who wants to indiewebify their website
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Jeena
the index page only shows my notes
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EHLOVader
did you make indiewebify.me?
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Jeena
bug if you go to the fullpost of a note then you can see the webmentions
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Jeena
no it isn't my work
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Jeena
but the UI of the index page is not that great because people don't know that you can click on the date to get to the full page
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Jeena
but yeah I understand the weirdness of a list with only my avatars on it, but I haven't found a better UI yet
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EHLOVader
what theme did you use? I was looking for layouts too
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EHLOVader
most of it relies on infrastructure behind the scenes and the markup right?
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EHLOVader
so anything could be indiefied
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EHLOVader
but not much is
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Jeena
uhm no theme it is just a rails app I wrote
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EHLOVader
oh, I see
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EHLOVader
are you using anything as a baseline? h5bp, twbs, foundation, etc
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EHLOVader
I think I will get a short url
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EHLOVader
my name and handle doesn't favor any reliable short tlds
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Jeena
I use the microformats2 gem to parse HTML but otherwise no, I just wrote what I needed
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Jeena
I had the domain jeenaparadies.net for years but then I got jeena.net which was much shorter
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Jeena
and I made a short url redirection from jeena.net/n123 to jeena.net/notes/123 to get it even shorter
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EHLOVader
jee.na is available
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EHLOVader
but not sure on that trustworthiness
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Jeena
oh hehe, that would be almost cool :D
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EHLOVader
looking at one for my blog name and it is in morocco I think
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EHLOVader
haven't heard anything bad, but these other countries, they could take back domains, or cancel them
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EHLOVader
some of these require a person in the country too
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EHLOVader
4,999.00 USD
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EHLOVader
they are expensive
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EHLOVader
I don't think that will be worth it for you
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Jeena
omg ^^
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EHLOVader
my .ma is only $70
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EHLOVader
may be worth it if i start blogging
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EHLOVader
my personal one, closest I could get is $15
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EHLOVader
it is a .co
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EHLOVader
do .io domains link?
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EHLOVader
ouch, they are expensive.. but I can get my new email and maybe public handle .io
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EHLOVader
j4h.r8n.io would be neat maybe shorten to r8n.io for certain places
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EHLOVader
whoa, all of the i18n domains for various family surnames in my extended family are avaialble
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EHLOVader
were there any indieweb things for families, communication, the caldavs etc
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EHLOVader
I guess the question would be for private group federation of data
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EHLOVader
ooh, does indieauth or websites using it use reverse dns to initiate sso proactively
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EHLOVader
or could it
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EHLOVader
eh, that may not be too helpful
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EHLOVader
browser headers and a plugin though
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EHLOVader
does the indieweb movement have any call to action hashtags worth using?
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EHLOVader
ownyourweb, ownyourcontent, ownyourdata, ownyoursilo
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EHLOVader
something like that
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EHLOVader
ownyourweb?
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@EHLOVader
#MyOpenID closes tomorrow. If any sites or users need an alternative to @openid Check out https://indieauth.com/ #ownyourweb #indiewebcamp
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EHLOVader
going with it
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EHLOVader
exactly 140 chars too
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KevinMarks
#indieweb rather than #indiewebcamp works too
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KevinMarks
so, could www.noterlive.com post to aaronpk's site?
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EHLOVader
I totally read that not re-live
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EHLOVader
is latvia a safe tld country
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EHLOVader
did you have example range of time you used that site to tweet KevinMarks?
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KevinMarks
what do you mean?
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gRegorLove
EHLOVader: that myopenid tweet comment reminded me to re-visit my claimid.com. They've closed too.
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KevinMarks
I have some note post archives at kevinmarks.com
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EHLOVader
I moved to stackexchange for the site. at least myopenid listed the sites I had used
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KevinMarks
why do I want a short URL?
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EHLOVader
it seems interesting...
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EHLOVader
not sure
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Loqi
gives KevinMarks a short URL
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EHLOVader
how generous loqi
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Loqi
is done
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KevinMarks
It took a bit of fiddling about to come up with noterlive, as livenoter etc were gone
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EHLOVader
so does it use the blog url for links? cross posting?
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EHLOVader
what do you mean loqi? do I not get a short url too?
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KevinMarks
Not yet, it makes an HTML blob in a field to copy and paste
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EHLOVader
I am looking into ways to automate name choices and creation like that
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EHLOVader
ways that are a bit more organic, like actually thinking of it
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EHLOVader
I have a domain that would suit it, I have a handful of domains that would suit a purpose but I haven't completed them
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KevinMarks
but posting a) the notes to your indeiweb site as well as twitter
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KevinMarks
and b) the resulting post to a blog or indieweb site
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gRegorLove
Domai.nr is awesome. Thanks EHLOVader
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KevinMarks
seem like a good thing to extend it to do
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gRegorLove
Might be buying another short URL, heh
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EHLOVader
that is nice, so how does it handle the indieweb site?
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EHLOVader
lol, yeah, domai.nr does a good job of finding some short names, dropping letters you might not have thought of
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EHLOVader
I was going to find a spot to put it into the indieweb wiki
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EHLOVader
probably not the ccTLD page, but linking to it from there
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KevinMarks
so far, by you copying the combined notes from a text field, giving something like: http://www.kevinmarks.com/mvclaunch.html
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EHLOVader
ooh, KevinMarks brilliant idea in my head... a site lists speakers at an event in order. with microformats identifying them...
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EHLOVader
allowing you to change to the next speaker by schedule
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EHLOVader
if you tie it to an event...
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KevinMarks
yes, I was thinking that too - currently I pull from a twitter handle
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KevinMarks
and make speaker buttons
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EHLOVader
based on time maybe too
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KevinMarks
but pulling hCards from a URL would be better
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KevinMarks
as I am getting full name and URL from twitter, which is not always ideal
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EHLOVader
i assume it actually requires a lot of attention from you, to manage it, but maybe also a feed of event tags
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KevinMarks
well, this was automating something I already did
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EHLOVader
if it wouldn't be too distracting from the actual typing
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KevinMarks
the '#indiewebcamp @aaronpk: wise statement' tweet format
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KevinMarks
for live-tweeting events
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EHLOVader
the thing I thought of in the recent past which would have a schedule and might be nice to see live is shmoocon
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EHLOVader
it complicates things though, first day is one track, but the next two there are three tracks so three rooms with different speakers at different times
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KevinMarks
yeah, really you want a page per session
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KevinMarks
as they usually have the full speaker bios with URLs in
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KevinMarks
lanyrd is probably the best thing to scrape
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EHLOVader
hmm, you mean that output you gave? from the end
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EHLOVader
maybe if that could be posted, when switching speakers.. or a switch session button
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KevinMarks
no, i mean to scrape
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EHLOVader
but yeah, i could see how that would be ideal to isolate it
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EHLOVader
oh, uhm, not sure I understand
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EHLOVader
for the names, and hcards?
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KevinMarks
and twitter handles and websites
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KevinMarks
hm lanyrd seems to have lost most of its microformats
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EHLOVader
what would you say is probably the most mature backend/hosted web app for indieweb?
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EHLOVader
falcon looks promising, and isn't really surprising if it were the most mature/feature complete
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EHLOVader
but it is private right? is cassis as feature complete?
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snarfed
EHLOVader: i assume you've looked at idno and p3k?
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snarfed
and a number of us actually use wordpress. with the right plugins, it's very indieweb friendly, and has a massive developer community, which obviously helps
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EHLOVader
I actually saw those shortly after seeing the long list of things falcon could do, and then that I could have none of it
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snarfed
you're looking on the wiki?
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EHLOVader
it all requires running server software? or can it be run in a static capacity like with jekyll and services?
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snarfed
tantek's the most prolific there, so falcon's probably overrepresented there
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EHLOVader
he sold the world
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EHLOVader
then took it all back for himself
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EHLOVader
if it helps this is where my personal blogging in the future might be in the midst of
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snarfed
good to hear!
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tantek
EHLOVader, just mapping out the space as best/fast as I can, coding is a bit, "rushed", you might say.
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EHLOVader
I would only really need microblogging probably, sharing links, pictures, videos, notes, replies etc
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EHLOVader
articles would come in last, they take time and planning
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tantek
others have implemented similar features with much better code. e.g. p3k, idno, and WP plugins
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EHLOVader
thanks tantek
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tantek
EHLOVader, just focus on building the very next thing you want for your site
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tantek
once you've built that, you'll find that it will reset your priorities
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tantek
your experience with using just one more new capability on your site will greatly inform what you need next
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tantek
then iterate
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snarfed
good advice
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tantek
"microblogging" - e.g. posting notes, is what a lot (most) of us started with
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tantek
and we've all taken slightly different implementation paths from there, often intersecting, but all with slightly different orderings
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EHLOVader
I am most interested in the sovereign, so far it doesn't have a dedicated blogging system tied to it
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EHLOVader
but it does have php and I would be most comfortable with that
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tantek
a lot of us here use PHP
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EHLOVader
it uses postgre but some other things I might like prefer mysql
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EHLOVader
I may tear sovereign apart, rebuild it from not much more than the inspiration
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EHLOVader
would like to see nginx instead of apache (both cause of my interests in learning it, and it should be a smaller footprint)
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EHLOVader
scares me having all of that on the same server though, may enable selinux, and add extra IPS measures
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EHLOVader
single point of failure, but it did have security in mind I think.
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EHLOVader
how many of you are on macs? *nix? or windows?
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EHLOVader
curious what kind of systems the people in indieweb community are using most often.
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snarfed
server side, i expect mostly *nix
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snarfed
my site is on freebsd
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snarfed
most of my app development is on app engine
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snarfed
regardles
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snarfed
…er, regardless, tantek has the best advice. pick the single piece of functionality you want most right now, do the minimum you need to get it working in your current setup, and iterate
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snarfed
step back and evaluate now and then, definitely, but ideally let the functionality drive
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EHLOVader
idno looks nice
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EHLOVader
mongodb though, is that because of the frontend? backend appears to be php do those two usually go together?
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EHLOVader
p3k looks interesting too, the extent of information
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EHLOVader
even simpler
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EHLOVader
so I guess in the vein of pleaserob.me what are the indieweb thoughts on location sharing? is there a way to limit it to people based on any special authentication?
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EHLOVader
snarfed, what have you tried to use for the reshares of posts?
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EHLOVader
in facebook
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EHLOVader
needs auth, but it should get it
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EHLOVader
re: bridgy sorry
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EHLOVader
http://stackoverflow.com/a/7707702/704765 also may be useful for shares likes comments totals etc etc
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EHLOVader
Also is your sni ssl on bridgy because the cost of a multi domain ssl?
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EHLOVader
more on it from SO, using graph and chaining the queries http://stackoverflow.com/a/17533380/704765
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snarfed
sorry, back
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snarfed
yeah, bridgy uses SNI because of cost. SNI on app engine is cheaper than a VIP
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snarfed
and i haven't yet found a way to get reshares from fb's api
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snarfed
i couldn't get sharedposts to work, even with the read_stream oauth scope
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snarfed
that SO post is a great lead!
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snarfed
hmm, on second thought, i'd seen it. i'm actually 'ryan' in the last comment on it :P
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snarfed
(EHLOVader)
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EHLOVader
I see, so it is kind of a restriction on the app engine side more than yours
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EHLOVader
I wasn't sure how it worked since it was technically a shared host
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EHLOVader
you would have to pay for your own IP or something?
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snarfed
yup. that's true of hosting in general
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EHLOVader
well maybe you could read the leaked infor
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snarfed
IPs cost money
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EHLOVader
there was a so that mentioned an ajax call for their static js
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EHLOVader
uber hacky
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snarfed
yeah, i start to lose interest when it moves from apis to hacks
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EHLOVader
why is it a service of a third party site btw? curious... because you are then monitoring all of the users posts right?
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EHLOVader
or is there an api feed for recent changes in all the things
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snarfed
why is bridgy a service?
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snarfed
as opposed to a library?
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snarfed
and yeah, it uses api endpoints for recent posts
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snarfed
polling all posts for all users wouldn't really scale
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EHLOVader
yeah i didn't think so
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EHLOVader
and yeah, why a library instead of just the users responsibility on their site
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EHLOVader
I guess api keys would become a possible barrier, they have to have an app id right?
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snarfed
eh, yeah, but registering apps is easy enough
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snarfed
it's a service for all the usual reasons
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snarfed
language independent, centralize the admin, easy to push updates, etc
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snarfed
there are other backfeed implementations that integrate into servers
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indiewebcamp-vis
hello
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@mrmzholland
RT @EHLOVader: #MyOpenID closes tomorrow. If any sites or users need an alternative to @openid Check out https://indieauth.com/ #ownyourwe…
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indiewebcamp-vis
hi EHLOVader.
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indiewebcamp-vis
i'm trying to sort out indieauth etc on my site. i'm not really a coder so it's a slow process! i have at least got webmentions sorted
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EHLOVader
I am not sure I can help you much, but you need indieauth to work using your site to authenticate? or to authenticate to your site with indie auth...
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EHLOVader
sounds like the latter
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indiewebcamp-vis
i've been trying to log into a site to comment... takes me to the indieauth page and i click on the thing to start teh process (using app.net as my provider) but it just drops me in example.com
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indiewebcamp-vis
ah OK i think i've worked it out. i've logged in to the indie web camp site with my url. i think the site i was trying was just not set up quite right
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EHLOVader
that may help, I think it will troubleshoot it with you
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EHLOVader
oh, that is no good
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EHLOVader
there is a redirect involved at some point
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EHLOVader
I haven't looked into the using indieauth as a provider side of things.. I wonder if it is the site owners responsibility to post their website to the service
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indiewebcamp-vis
thanks for your help, indiewebify.me looks good, and i've just verified all is good at my end. much appreciated :)
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@mrmzholland
oh damn. lost me at 'clone the repo' #indieweb
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neuro`
Good morning tantek
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neuro`
Indie webers
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tantek
Good morning neuro`!
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tantek
and #indiewebcamp :)
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neuro`
How's your side of the world going?
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tantek
pretty good. I have a race tomorrow so I'm taking it easy today.
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neuro`
How many miles?
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tantek
13.1mi / 21.1k
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neuro`
Half a marathon?
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neuro`
That's the begining of serious races.
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tantek
heh - I think that's about the farthest I want to do.
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neuro`
That's already a lot.
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@eschnou
Mailpile announced alpha release! Great to see the progress, awesome work! https://fosdem.org/2014/schedule/event/mailpile/ #FOSDEM #indieweb
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@Lucky_Raf
RT @eschnou: Mailpile announced alpha release! Great to see the progress, awesome work! https://fosdem.org/2014/schedule/event/mailpile/ #FOSDEM #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/429653320496857089)
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@_hamzux_
RT @eschnou: Mailpile announced alpha release! Great to see the progress, awesome work! https://fosdem.org/2014/schedule/event/mailpile/ #FOSDEM #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/429653501212639232)
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@mmaudet
RT @eschnou: Mailpile announced alpha release! Great to see the progress, awesome work! https://fosdem.org/2014/schedule/event/mailpile/ #FOSDEM #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/429655631994568704)
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@HelinaT
RT @eschnou: Mailpile announced alpha release! Great to see the progress, awesome work! https://fosdem.org/2014/schedule/event/mailpile/ #FOSDEM #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/429655939172810753)
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tantek
nice! congrats bnvk!
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tantek
(any other mailpilers in the channel?)
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bnvk
tantek: thanks :)
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bnvk
mmm, no other mailpilers in here!
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gRegorLove
Question about dates in microformats: If no UTC offset is specified, should we assume it's UTC?
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@ShaneHudson
@aaronpk @caseorganic @t Are there any plans for another UK Indie Web Camp? #indieweb
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gRegorLove
I ask because I would like to store the UTC published/updated times when parsing webmentions.
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tantek
gRegorLove - without timezone offset, it's a called a "floating time", which means the same time in every timezone, e.g. like an alarm clock that's set at 6:00
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tantek
to wake you up at 6:00 in whatever timezone you're in
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gRegorLove
Hmm. I see
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tantek
so in the case of webmentions, or I presume you mean h-entry dt-published, that's trickier - because obviously the publication happened at a specific absolute time
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tantek
there are some heuristics you can do to determine what timezone the publisher/publication is in
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gRegorLove
Correct. I'm parsing dt-published fields.
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tantek
e.g. checking for location information
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gRegorLove
Location information in a microformat?
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tantek
in the h-entry in particular
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tantek
there's a wiki page about how barnaby and others are posting their location information
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tantek
aaronpk may have some ideas too
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gRegorLove
Ok, thanks.
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tantek
I *think* it might just be in a p-location
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tantek
which itself may have an h-geo h-adr or h-card
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gRegorLove
Yeah, I noticed werd.io is publishing the offset, but you're not, tantek. Do you use location information?
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tantek
gRegorLove - yeah that's my bad I should be publishing offset.
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tantek
FWIW it's Pacific Time zone - so I need to go back and add code to cleanup the data for DST
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gRegorLove
I think for now I will store a flag indicating whether or not the datetime had an offset. I can go back later and figure out a solution.
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tantek
that sounds like a very good idea
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@genehack
@vanderwal I was told IndieAuth supported OpenID ...
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brennannovak.com
created /mobile (+422) "Created page with "As per Tantek's post ["Toward A People Focused Mobile Communication Experience"](http://tantek.com/2013/338/b1/people-focused-mobile-communication-experience) we may want to hook...""
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Jeena
!tell tantek jesus christ tantek, you should make your titles shorter in your feed https://jeena.net/s/tantek-title-feed.png
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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aaronpk
i really need a logo for indieauth.com
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Jeena
I'm happy I moed to http://clavid.com/ months ago but in the long run I will need to be my own provider
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Jeena
s/moed/moved
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Loqi
Jeena meant to say: I'm happy I moved to http://clavid.com/ months ago but in the long run I will need to be my own provider
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Jeena
what are you guys using indieauth for on your own websites yet?
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aaronpk
i don't understand the question
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Jeena
I think I saw a couple of you letting people like me to log in on your website, but why whould I want to log in on one of your websites? (I understand the need on the indiewebcamp wiki, but not on personal websites)
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aaronpk
private posts
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aaronpk
i've created a couple notes that are only visible to certain people if they log in
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Jeena
ah I see, interesting
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aaronpk
like when I was going over to the MozSF office to meet tantek, I made a post that showed a map of where I was, and he could see it if he logged in
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@anselm
RT @aaronpk: Today is the last day of http://t.co/SObfy0d55w. Luckily https://indieauth.com/ can be used as a replacement! Guide: http://t.…
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@vrypan
RT @aaronpk: Today is the last day of http://t.co/SObfy0d55w. Luckily https://indieauth.com/ can be used as a replacement! Guide: http://t.…
(twitter.com/_/status/429762171271401472)
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wagle
who was the guy from mozilla at the meeting last week?
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aaronpk
dietrick?
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aaronpk
dietrich*
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wagle
maybe.. no user page for him
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dietrich
i have a user page. it's my domain name. which isn't my real life name. which becomes confusing.
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aaronpk
add yourself to irc-people?