#indiewebcamp 2014-02-02

2014-02-02 UTC
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dietrich "i'm a user, baaaabyyyy.... so why don't you kill meeeee"
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snarfed lol dietrich
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dietrich hm, that kinda fits with the "I use broken software." shirt i want to make...
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dietrich aaronpk: k
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dietrich aaronpk: i don't know much about indieauth plumbing, but seems pretty short-lived sessions on the wiki
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snarfed dietrich: god yes.
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metafluff.com edited /IRC_People (+58) (view diff)
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snarfed i wish github issues had voting: https://github.com/indieweb/wiki/issues/7
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dietrich snarfed++
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Loqi snarfed has 2 karma
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dietrich yeah shouldn't really expire
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aaronpk that's a wiki thing
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aaronpk not sure why mediawiki kills the sessions so often
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gRegorLove Question regarding webmention responses: When sending back JSON, is there a standardized naming for the values? E.g. {"message":"Success"}
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gRegorLove 'message' or 'response' make sense.
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gregorlove.com edited /IRC_People (+57) "Adding myself" (view diff)
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aaronpk no, the response body isn't really important
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aaronpk it's the HTTP code that indicates success/fail
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aaronpk also you could return HTML just as easily
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gRegorLove Aye, I'm returning HTML currently.
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gRegorLove I might be going overboard, but I like the idea of responding with plaintext/HTML/JSON based on the Accept header. :)
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aaronpk i like that idea as well :)
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aaronpk but i'm am unsure if anybody is even looking at the response body currently
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aaronpk so it might not even matter
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snarfed anecdotally, it sounds like mostly humans are looking at the response body
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aaronpk usually during development, then never again
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gRegorLove I'm planning to log responses, mostly out of curiosity. I also am trying to give some helpful responses along with various HTTP 400 scenarios: missing 'source' param, missing 'target' param, and 'target' is not a valid URL
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gRegorLove Should 404 be used for the latter?
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snarfed gRegorLove: probably 400
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snarfed 404 would imply that your webmention endpoint itself doesn't exist, which isn't true
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gRegorLove Ah, right
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aaronpk the http responses should be pretty well documented at this point
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gRegorLove Yep, I'm just tired and didn't fully think through that one. :)
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wagle dietrich: (belated response) the reason I care about mozilla versions is that new versions often break things for me and it takes years to never to fix them
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obloid.org edited /IRC_People (+48) "add self to irc users" (view diff)
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dietrich wagle: new versions often break what kinds of things? (and you're talking about firefox yah?)
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wagle sorry, yeah, firefox.. mostly bookmarks..
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dietrich wagle: hm, that's code i've worked on. what about bookmarks breaks?
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wagle i use tags, not folders...
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wagle so
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wagle for example, if you change an url on a bookmark, you lose your tags
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wagle but not your folder
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wagle didnt use to do that until a year or so ago
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wagle the bookmark editor is tiny.. have to install plugins to grow it
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@lucas_gonze RT @aaronpk: Today is the last day of http://t.co/SObfy0d55w. Luckily https://indieauth.com/ can be used as a replacement! Guide: http://t.… (twitter.com/_/status/429786408568782848)
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dietrich wagle: hm, that's bad. loss of user data :( did you file a bug?
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wagle yeah..
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dietrich wagle: got a link? i can prod the people working on that stuff these days
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wagle you purportedly fixed it years ago: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=421364
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wagle but
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wagle https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=767939
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dietrich hah!
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dietrich oh awesome, assigned and has a patch as of recently
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dietrich i'll ask marco when he's gonna land that
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wagle cool... thanks
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dietrich wagle: nm, i just reviewed it and hopefully it'll land asap
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dietrich if it makes the merge on monday it'll ship to release builds in 18 weeks
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dietrich such a small change, and fixes dataloss regression, so maybe an argument for backporting to get it released sooner...
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wagle very cool.. noticed the comment about async transaction manager.. it takes me 35 minutes to shutdown firefox.. 8)
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wagle 11 seconds to .dump places to a file, so there's some overhead to expect, though
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@habitmelon RT @aaronpk: Today is the last day of http://t.co/SObfy0d55w. Luckily https://indieauth.com/ can be used as a replacement! Guide: http://t.… (twitter.com/_/status/429790549865148416)
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@caseorganic A not so Svbtle reminder to own your words. #indieweb http://www.gregoryciotti.com/own-your-words/ (a post about data ownership on @Svbtle and @Medium). (twitter.com/_/status/429792557900382208)
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@wraithgar RT @caseorganic: A not so Svbtle reminder to own your words. #indieweb http://www.gregoryciotti.com/own-your-words/ (a post about data ownership on @Svbtle and … (twitter.com/_/status/429793506300026883)
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Loqi tantek: Jeena left you a message 2 hours, 27 minutes ago: jesus christ tantek, you should make your titles shorter in your feed https://jeena.net/s/tantek-title-feed.png
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@cstanhope RT @caseorganic: A not so Svbtle reminder to own your words. #indieweb http://www.gregoryciotti.com/own-your-words/ (a post about data ownership on @Svbtle and … (twitter.com/_/status/429794770626809856)
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@kevinmarks RT @caseorganic: A not so Svbtle reminder to own your words. #indieweb http://www.gregoryciotti.com/own-your-words/ (a post about data ownership on @Svbtle and … (twitter.com/_/status/429795828925210625)
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tantek !tell Jeena indeed. intelligently abbreviated titles are on my to do list. thanks for the reminder. :)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@soycamo RT @aaronpk: Today is the last day of http://t.co/SObfy0d55w. Luckily https://indieauth.com/ can be used as a replacement! Guide: http://t.… (twitter.com/_/status/429798191207559169)
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@eloisavaldes RT @caseorganic: A not so Svbtle reminder to own your words. #indieweb http://www.gregoryciotti.com/own-your-words/ (a post about data ownership on @Svbtle and … (twitter.com/_/status/429801573691441152)
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@erans RT @caseorganic: A not so Svbtle reminder to own your words. #indieweb http://www.gregoryciotti.com/own-your-words/ (a post about data ownership on @Svbtle and … (twitter.com/_/status/429804443635564544)
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@robinrendle RT @caseorganic: A not so Svbtle reminder to own your words. #indieweb http://www.gregoryciotti.com/own-your-words/ (a post about data ownership on @Svbtle and … (twitter.com/_/status/429804473499025409)
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@znmeb RT @aaronpk: Today is the last day of http://t.co/SObfy0d55w. Luckily https://indieauth.com/ can be used as a replacement! Guide: http://t.… (twitter.com/_/status/429807555557457921)
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@eramirez RT @caseorganic: A not so Svbtle reminder to own your words. #indieweb http://www.gregoryciotti.com/own-your-words/ (a post about data ownership on @Svbtle and … (twitter.com/_/status/429807970395107328)
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pdurbin I bet people here would like this clip: https://soundcloud.com/philipdurbin/john-siracusa-on-net-neutrality
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EHLOVader didn't net neutrality die?
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EHLOVader until google saves us, to fill their AI data with all the data people choose to send in the clear
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pdurbin it's complicated
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EHLOVader always
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pdurbin EHLOVader: for a few more of my thoughts on this: Philip Durbin - Google+ - The end of the Internet as we know it "The difficulty I… - https://plus.google.com/+PhilipDurbin/posts/4kchc6eQPaS
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EHLOVader did you not have an indieweb style posse site?
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EHLOVader I thought everyone but me in hre did
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@MaryFletcherr RT @caseorganic: A not so Svbtle reminder to own your words. #indieweb http://www.gregoryciotti.com/own-your-words/ (a post about data ownership on @Svbtle and … (twitter.com/_/status/429814134717554689)
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caseorganic.com edited /timeline (+205) "/* 2013 */ Added Bridgy by Ryan Barrett to Timeline 2013" (view diff)
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caseorganic.com edited /timeline (-48) "Removed Stub status as page is formatted enough with enough content to be considered a wiki page." (view diff)
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EHLOVader ah, but you do have a relme site, just no blog there.. cool
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EHLOVader is that your podcast? or do you pull clips from something else?
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pdurbin EHLOVader: this is my domain: http://wiki.greptilian.com/podcasts/clips/john-siracusa-on-net-neutrality/
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EHLOVader yup
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EHLOVader found it
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pdurbin I don't really want to host that clip. I'm just curating the good stuff :)
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EHLOVader gotcah
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EHLOVader intersting the ffmpeg line
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pdurbin I don't mind hosting text :)
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EHLOVader was that to download it?
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EHLOVader yeah
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pdurbin ffmpeg to extract the few minutes I wanted to highlight
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EHLOVader well the soundcloud is akin to hosting it, but not sure
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EHLOVader yeah
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EHLOVader interesting idea, to use that...
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pdurbin I'm too lazy/busy for a blog. Usually, I just type in publicly logged IRC channels and send links to any interesting coversations :)
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EHLOVader nice
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EHLOVader haha, you seem to be blogging more than I ever did
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EHLOVader but never thought of the linking to logged irc
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EHLOVader I see it a lot in this room though
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EHLOVader pdurbin, i see some posts on some of your blogging platforms, or accounts, why only some?
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EHLOVader like the anyone could read this, on huffduff and the other one similar on g+ and pluss.es
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@EHLOVader #MyOpenID #RIP If you still needed to replace that @openid delegate, try #indieauth http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieAuth#Use_IndieAuth_for_your_OpenID #ownyourweb (twitter.com/_/status/429822065604964352)
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@jmsmcfrlnd RT @caseorganic: A not so Svbtle reminder to own your words. #indieweb http://www.gregoryciotti.com/own-your-words/ (a post about data ownership on @Svbtle and … (twitter.com/_/status/429824375538614272)
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@AndySylvester99 @mrmzholland I linked to one of your posts, let me know if my webmention works! (twitter.com/_/status/429828875045339136)
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@Wallace_Jordan_ RT @caseorganic: A not so Svbtle reminder to own your words. #indieweb http://www.gregoryciotti.com/own-your-words/ (a post about data ownership on @Svbtle and … (twitter.com/_/status/429861939473555456)
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wagle is 10 retweets viral?
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@Indie_Auth RT @EHLOVader: #MyOpenID closes tomorrow. If any sites or users need an alternative to @openid Check out https://indieauth.com/ #ownyourwe… (twitter.com/_/status/429886035053383681)
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@Indie_Auth RT @aaronpk: Today is the last day of http://t.co/SObfy0d55w. Luckily https://indieauth.com/ can be used as a replacement! Guide: http://t.… (twitter.com/_/status/429886053898407936)
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@Indie_Auth RT @vrypan: https://indieauth.com/ is simple, brilliant and works like a charm. Read @aaronpk's: guide: http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2013/09/15/1/indieauth-now-supports-openid-delegation (twitter.com/_/status/429886070885330944)
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@indiewebcamp RT @vrypan: https://indieauth.com/ is simple, brilliant and works like a charm. Read @aaronpk's: guide: http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2013/09/15/1/indieauth-now-supports-openid-delegation (twitter.com/_/status/429886220022185984)
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@_crossdiver RT @caseorganic: A not so Svbtle reminder to own your words. #indieweb http://www.gregoryciotti.com/own-your-words/ (a post about data ownership on @Svbtle and … (twitter.com/_/status/429913716440571904)
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@PiotrNiklas RT @caseorganic: A not so Svbtle reminder to own your words. #indieweb http://www.gregoryciotti.com/own-your-words/ (a post about data ownership on @Svbtle and … (twitter.com/_/status/429924510268395520)
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@jihaisse J'ai désactivé Google Analytics sur mon blog. Vous n'êtes plus tracé. #indieweb #GA #donottrack (jihais.se t/13w) (twitter.com/_/status/429939621972029441)
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pdurbin EHLOVader: you're wondering why you don't see the same post on all of my social media accounts?
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@thierrymarianne Since @eschnou is also the builder of the #indieweb \o/, I guess I won't be able to recover from there ^^ #FOSDEM (twitter.com/_/status/429985315772579842)
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Jeena Twitter is weird, I am sending a string which is clearly 140 chars long, in ASCII, and it still says: {"errors":[{"code":186,"message":"Status is over 140 characters."}]}
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Loqi Jeena: tantek left you a message on 2/1 at 5:59pm: indeed. intelligently abbreviated titles are on my to do list. thanks for the reminder. :)
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Jeena ah they make a t.co uri of it which then is longer, damn
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pdurbin Jeena: you're including a link in the 140 characters?
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Jeena yeah a backlink
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Jeena to my own notes
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pdurbin I think the 140 character rules go out the window when you include a link
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Jeena yeah they do :-/ I need to get the data from https://api.twitter.com/1.1/help/configuration.json first and there there is short_url_length_https and I have to use that, as far as I understand
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pdurbin Jeena: how many characters do you get?
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Jeena it returns 23 for https and 22 for normal links
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pdurbin uh. does that mean you get 118 characters if you include a normal link? (140 - 22)
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@BarnabyWalters Soundcloud down or broken too often now. Time to implement #indieweb audio posting UI in #taproot. (http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4UPK5S/) (twitter.com/_/status/430054370278129664)
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@vrypan RT @BarnabyWalters: Soundcloud down or broken too often now. Time to implement #indieweb audio posting UI in #taproot. (http://t.co/jRZnjQ… (twitter.com/_/status/430055776292732928)
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@TarrynRomez RT @BarnabyWalters: Soundcloud down or broken too often now. Time to implement #indieweb audio posting UI in #taproot. (http://t.co/jRZnjQ… (twitter.com/_/status/430055961362178048)
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@jonnybarnes I might try and add 2FA](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-factor_authentication) to the site soon. First though is webmention support. [Laravel’s… https://jonnybarnes.net/note/28 (twitter.com/_/status/430065568742256640)
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jonnybarnes that last note went wrong
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jonnybarnes it was due to greedy PHP regex
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snarfed regexes, whee!
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aaronpk holy cow
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aaronpk twitter's new analytics dashboard is crazy
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aaronpk since they're wrapping all links in t.co, they show you how many clicks each link in a tweet got
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aaronpk http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7326/12276439423_8134f919ce_b.jpg
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icco aaronpk, that's awesome. Is that available to everyone?
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aaronpk not sure
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aaronpk http://analytics.twitter.com
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aaronpk might only be if you have enabled twitter cards
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aaronpk http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3722/12276381555_0a0300d618_b.jpg
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pdurbin wow. interesting
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icco https://analytics.twitter.com/about says I need to be an advertiser or using twitter cards to use it.
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icco interesting
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aaronpk ok yeah then i can see it cause I enabled twitter cards on aaronparecki.com
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aaronpk wow follower stats too
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pdurbin aaronpk: how hard was it to enable twitter cards on your site?
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aaronpk a couple stupid twitter-specific meta tags
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pdurbin ok
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aaronpk view source on any of my notes and you'll see
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icco Doesn't look like it's too difficult. I'm going through the process right now.
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aaronpk then you go to the twitter deveoper site and they have a validation tool
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aaronpk then it takes a week or two and they approve your site
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icco ah, lame.
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aaronpk meh
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aaronpk do it now, then you'll forget about it, and in a couple weeks you'll get an email and be like "oh cool"
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aaronpk this probably deserves a blog post
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icco haha. That'd be good.
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Loqi rofl
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wagle @PerryWagle does not have access to Twitter Analytics. If you're a publisher, developer, or advertiser, learn how to get access.
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wagle *shrug*
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aaronpk blech. matching URLs in sentences is hard. what do you do with a trailing "."?
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aaronpk it's like I need to match URL characters, except a . followed by a space, or a . at the end of the text
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@thierrymarianne @eschnou My pleasure! I believe in the benefits of small worlds in motion. Why is this? B/c I discovered #indieweb thanks to @t [...] 1/3 (twitter.com/_/status/430105716993454080)
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aaronpk http://daringfireball.net/2010/07/improved_regex_for_matching_urls
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aaronpk that works well
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KartikPrabhu thanks for the link. I was looking for one for validating urls, temporarily borrowed one from the Django project
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icco http://cl.natw.me/ThA0 - Looks like it only took a few minutes for cards to show up for me aaronpk.
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icco Now just need to tweet something with a link and see if it works.
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aaronpk oh cool!
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aaronpk they must have automated the verification!
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@benwerd If I had @kevinmarks's #indieweb livetweeting app, I'd only use it to make fun of sporting events. Just as well. (twitter.com/_/status/430127099664297984)
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