#indiewebcamp 2014-02-22

2014-02-22 UTC
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snarfed mine still doesn't work
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aaronpk snarfed: you hit re-scan?
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snarfed yeah
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snarfed not sure about ryana, but one difference might be that my site serves over https
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aaronpk ah yours is a different problem
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ryana no https on ryanarana.com yet
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ryana that's comin soon(ish) ;)
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snarfed no worries aaronpk, i don't need twitter
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snarfed ryana: nice!
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aaronpk snarfed: I think yours is failing because your twitter profile links to http
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aaronpk and your http site doesn't redirect to https
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snarfed yeah, both are true, and intentional
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aaronpk well in that case indieauth will never work with your twitter profile :)
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aaronpk intentionally
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snarfed if you reload, you should get https. i use HSTS, not a 30x redirect, so that modern browsers (eventually) go all htps, but old ones that don't support ssl (well) can still do http
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snarfed yeah, that's fine
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snarfed interesting though. is it because indieauth honors HSTS? i'd be surprised
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aaronpk no it's because it doesn't have any clue about it
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snarfed right. so then, my site serves over http, and twitter points to http, so i'd kinda think it would work, right?
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aaronpk so http://snarfed.org != https://snarfed.org and so it can't finish
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snarfed ohhhh since i typed https into indieauth
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snarfed got it
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snarfed heh yes. typing in http works
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snarfed thanks! (man i made that complicated.)
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aaronpk hehe
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snarfed btw, if you reload your http snarfed.org page, you get https, right?
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aaronpk yea
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snarfed good, thanks
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aaronpk if I type http://snarfed.org into chrome it sends me to https
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snarfed good
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snarfed all is right with the world
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aaronpk safari did not redirect the first time, but now it does
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snarfed cool
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@caseorganic Looking for a venue for #indiewebcamp San Fran Fri 3/7- Sat 3/8. Ideal 50+, but any size great. Any ideas? (http://caseorganic.com/notes/2014/02/21/1/indiewebcamp) (twitter.com/_/status/437020143055425536)
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@danielsouza RT @caseorganic: Looking for a venue for #indiewebcamp San Fran Fri 3/7- Sat 3/8. Ideal 50+, but any size great. Any ideas? (http://t.co/gs… (twitter.com/_/status/437020220230995968)
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@klintron RT @caseorganic: Looking for a venue for #indiewebcamp San Fran Fri 3/7- Sat 3/8. Ideal 50+, but any size great. Any ideas? (http://t.co/gs… (twitter.com/_/status/437020371326214144)
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@schnarfed RT @caseorganic: Looking for a venue for #indiewebcamp San Fran Fri 3/7- Sat 3/8. Ideal 50+, but any size great. Any ideas? (http://t.co/gs… (twitter.com/_/status/437020432265277440)
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@nheudecker RT @caseorganic: Looking for a venue for #indiewebcamp San Fran Fri 3/7- Sat 3/8. Ideal 50+, but any size great. Any ideas? (http://t.co/gs… (twitter.com/_/status/437020490800967680)
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aaronpk well that's one way to do that :)
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@kevinmarks RT @caseorganic: Looking for a venue for #indiewebcamp San Fran Fri 3/7- Sat 3/8. Ideal 50+, but any size great. Any ideas? (http://t.co/gs… (twitter.com/_/status/437022093104799744)
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tantek let's see if we get any new leads
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tantek still trying to work github and mozilla options
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@claylaugier RT @caseorganic: Looking for a venue for #indiewebcamp San Fran Fri 3/7- Sat 3/8. Ideal 50+, but any size great. Any ideas? (http://t.co/gs… (twitter.com/_/status/437022270633299968)
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@znmeb RT @caseorganic: Looking for a venue for #indiewebcamp San Fran Fri 3/7- Sat 3/8. Ideal 50+, but any size great. Any ideas? (http://t.co/gs… (twitter.com/_/status/437023201361534976)
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@kevinmarks Is your SF startup office going to be too quiet during sxsw? Want to host #indieWebcamp SF? http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF let us know (twitter.com/_/status/437030013792026624)
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aaronpk hm considering a new TLD. ".cc" or ".co"
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aaronpk or maybe "launchpad.estate" lol
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aaronpk stupid new TLDs
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aaronpk oh nvm, namecheap was showing me options that don't exist
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aaronpk laem
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snarfed aaronpk: for what project?
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aaronpk my house is about to get an install of p3k
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aaronpk and start posting when I come home, or when there's motion in the rooms, or when it gets too warm, or when someone's at the door, etc
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@Schlomo RT @kevinmarks: Is your SF startup office going to be too quiet during sxsw? Want to host #indieWebcamp SF? http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF let us … (twitter.com/_/status/437032839599505408)
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aaronpk ooh https://twitter.com/dgreenfield0/status/437032746557665281
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Loqi @dgreenfield0 :: @caseorganic Hey, we might be able to host @ConstantContact SF office.
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@DieLaughing RT @kevinmarks: Is your SF startup office going to be too quiet during sxsw? Want to host #indieWebcamp SF? http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF let us … (twitter.com/_/status/437033887227592704)
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aaronpk !tell tantek do you have an implementation of dec_to_sxg that works with >2^32 integers?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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@_BruceAllen_ RT @kevinmarks: Is your SF startup office going to be too quiet during sxsw? Want to host #indieWebcamp SF? http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF let us … (twitter.com/_/status/437042280072245248)
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aaronpk snarfed: settled on launchpad4.com
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snarfed i like it!
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snarfed what's the 4?
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aaronpk been incrementing version numbers as we've moved around
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snarfed aha
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aaronpk we went from 2.0 to 2.1 when we moved to a different unit in the same building last
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snarfed hah, funny
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Loqi tantek: aaronpk left you a message 42 minutes ago: do you have an implementation of dec_to_sxg that works with >2^32 integers?
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tantek aaronpk, haha no not yet. it's what stopped me from implementing twid.cc - which now I don't have to since you built twtr.io
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aaronpk ah yeah.
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aaronpk I just ran into that with Loqi's tweet parsing
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aaronpk so for now we're stuck with long permalinks for the citations: https://twitter.com/dgreenfield0/status/437032746557665281
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aaronpk or I broke everythign
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aaronpk https://twitter.com/dgreenfield0/status/437032746557665281
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@dgreenfield0 @caseorganic Hey, we might be able to host @ConstantContact SF office. (twitter.com/_/status/437032746557665281)
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aaronpk better
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tantek aaronpk wait what - I thought you implemented it yourself and that's how you got it working in the first place!
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aaronpk heh well
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tantek since tweet ids have been >32 bits for a while now
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aaronpk Loqi's twitter search is written in Ruby. but this part is written in PHP.
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Loqi who, me?
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aaronpk yep
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aaronpk the ruby newbase60 gem works with >32bits
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aaronpk loqi is complicated
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aaronpk snarfed: here's a fun one for ya! bridgy is using the truncated twitter URLs instead of expanding them. see: https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/caseorganic/435842556664901632/436334329158184960
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aaronpk I believe the e-content should use the full URL as the value for the <a> attributes
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snarfed for the text?
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snarfed hmm maybe!
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snarfed fortunately the hrefs are correct
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snarfed it's an interesting question. if you author something inside a silo, and it formats it a certain way, what's the canonical content? should we try to guess the author's intent? or go strictly by what's actually rendered?
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snarfed i, for one, do not plan to answer that tonight :P
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aaronpk :)
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snarfed in this specific case, though, it's an easy call to expand them
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aaronpk yeah it's funny cause without expanding, my code doesn't auto-link them
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aaronpk oh cause also the "http://" is missing
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snarfed ah, yeah, you're looking at just the text
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snarfed can your mf2 parser get the html value, as opposed to just the value?
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snarfed btw, easter egg: if you add ?format=json to a bridgy mf2 url like that, you'll get mf2 json
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aaronpk yeah I can look at the HTML, but I would rather not deal with sanitizing HTML so instead I just grab the text and re-link things
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aaronpk side effect: @names get re-linked to the user's domain if I know them, and #hashtags get linked to my own hashtag pages
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snarfed (and check out content.html vs content.value)
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snarfed heading offline, may be back later
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KevinMarks__ so, any more leads on locations?
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KevinMarks__ I got fav's and retweets, but no bites https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/437030013792026624
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@kevinmarks Is your SF startup office going to be too quiet during sxsw? Want to host #indieWebcamp SF? http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF let us know (twitter.com/_/status/437030013792026624)
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aaronpk KevinMarks__: we are 90% sure on a place
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KevinMarks__ which, embassy?
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aaronpk yeah
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KevinMarks__ OK, sounds good
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KevinMarks__ wow. My Google Plus profile is like a dead URL graveyard
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KevinMarks__ ms live, myspace, cliqset, upcoming, reader, google shared stuff
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KevinMarks__ and skitch
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aaronpk oh man
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KevinMarks__ also wounded URLs like orkut, last.fm, del.icio.us and friendfeed
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aaronpk "wounded" urls?
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KevinMarks__ well, they're not dead yet, but they're in the cart and John Cleese is shouting at them
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KevinMarks__ just did the whole hover/route 53/s3/heroku dance again for another URL. it's pretty annoying, and I haven't even tried it with https yet
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KevinMarks Hm
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KevinMarks !tell aaronpk had anyone built a passport.js provider for indieauth?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tommorris is trying to deploy his geolocation test code before going out for drinks.
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tommorris and failing
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tommorris also watching caseorganic’s ‘Rise of the Indieweb’ talk. one minor correction: you can whine on a wiki. see: enwp.org/wiki/WP:ANI [or don’t if you value your sanity]
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tommorris enwp.org/WP:ANI rather - darn URL shortner not matching with brain
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@tommorris Just watched @caseorganic’s talk ‘Rise of the IndieWeb’. Go watch it now. http://tommorris.org/posts/8816 (twitter.com/_/status/437243257475452929)
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aaronpk !tell snarfed so you're sending webmentions for invitations, are you also marking them up with anything special to indicate it's an invitation?
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Loqi aaronpk: KevinMarks left you a message 10 hours, 55 minutes ago: had anyone built a passport.js provider for indieauth?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk hm no I don't think so
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aaronpk I should do one for OmniAuth too
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Loqi fo sho
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@jegc_ Ahora en @hackbo : Taller de #indieweb https://twitter.com/jegc_/status/437314723538042881/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/437314723538042881)
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aaronpk would probably be good to make a similar library to https://github.com/indieweb/indieauth-client-php to help with all the parsing
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KartikPrabhu !tell tommorris: pull request with BS version of mf2py sent.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk this is way more complicated than I thought it would be
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aaronpk (comments-presentation)
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aaronpk got lots of test cases. I think it's time to throw it into the wild and see how fast it breaks with more varied input
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aaronpk https://github.com/indieweb/php-comments/blob/master/tests/BasicTest.php
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aaronparecki.com edited /comments-presentation (+117) "/* How to display */ add note that "too long" may also need to count newlines" (view diff)
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aaronpk seriously
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aaronpk this shit's complicated
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Loqi snarfed: aaronpk left you a message 2 hours, 6 minutes ago: so you're sending webmentions for invitations, are you also marking them up with anything special to indicate it's an invitation?
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snarfed aaronpk: looking now. i think invites are only half supported
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snarfed likely because we hadn't decided how to do them indieweb when i wrote the code
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aaronpk k. i'm trying to figure out how to render them, right now they just show up as a comment from that person which is a little weird
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aaronpk also, thank goodness for unit tests
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snarfed hell yes!
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snarfed testing++
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snarfed i'm not seeing anything specific for invites in the code. https://github.com/snarfed/activitystreams-unofficial/blob/master/microformats2.py
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snarfed finding an example page now
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snarfed bleh. at coffee shop with horrible connectivity. you may be able to load it faster than me. :P https://brid-gy.appspot.com/rsvp/facebook/212038/200590280142030/1216101
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Loqi testing has 2 karma
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Loqi tommorris: KartikPrabhu left you a message 1 hour, 53 minutes ago: pull request with BS version of mf2py sent.
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aaronpk no, there's no markup for invite there
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aaronpk that looks like it's a comment by that person saying "is invited"
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aaronpk which kind of doesn't make sense. because that person didn't take an action in order for that post to exist
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snarfed very true!
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snarfed happy to fix it now that we maybe know what to do…?
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aaronpk well let's think how I would invite you outside of facebook
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snarfed i think tantek or someone worked through this a bit ago
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snarfed search the wiki?
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aaronpk probably http://indiewebcamp.com/invitation
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snarfed sounds right
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aaronpk yeah, I'd create a reply to my own event with p-invitee http://indiewebcamp.com/invitation#Publish_an_invitation
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snarfed makes sense
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aaronpk that also means that I could invite you to one of caseorganic's events without her needing to be involved
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snarfed heh. that's good and bad.
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aaronpk oh yeah that's all here http://indiewebcamp.com/invitation#Invitation_user_flow
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snarfed maybe mostly neutral since we usually assume everything's public
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aaronpk i think it's good
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snarfed all of this gets way trickier with [semi-]private
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aaronpk facebook already supports that feature too
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snarfed sure!
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snarfed btw, the bridgy invite change will be small, just facebook.py and microformats2.py (see link above). feel free to dip your toe in! happy to answer any q's. or feel free to just file an issue w/details
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aaronpk I don't think I can dig into the code, but will leave details
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aaronpk interestingly, this also gives us a way to invite a bunch of people with a single reply post
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snarfed sure, np.
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snarfed true!
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aaronpk ok here's an idea https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/71
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aaronpk i'm adding a note about multiple invitations
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aaronpk yeah cool. take a look in barnaby's mf2 parser https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/71#issuecomment-35817109
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aaronpk man, multiline comments throwing a wrench into this thing
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aaronpk i'm hoping once I finish this i'll never have to touch it again
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