#indiewebcamp 2014-02-28

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tantek
snarfed, yeah I should have taken more FB event page screenshots before this redesign
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aaronpk
tantek: I still don't have the new fb events I think
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tantek
although I've heard that it hasn't deployed for everyone yet - so if you still see the old UI, could you screenshot?
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snarfed
aaronpk, tantek: me neither
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snarfed
will do
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tantek
WTF why would *I* be on the early deployment of FB UI
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tantek
checks his FB userid.
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tantek
Oh. Oops.
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tantek
snarfed, aaronpk, ok, here use this one: https://www.facebook.com/events/512367802216703/
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aaronpk
just did that one
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tantek
that's got enough yes, maybe, no, invited to look interesting
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tantek
(mind-meld)
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tantek
hosted by two people
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tantek
oh my goodness so much cleaner and more topical
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aaronpk
what does the new one look like!
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tantek
aaaaaaa
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tantek
:( new design is a noisy piece of (insert unicode poo icon here)
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tantek
oh man, now that I'm seeing them side by side I'm REALLY pissed
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tantek
so obvious everything that's been lost
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tantek
and noise that's been added
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tantek
dammit
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aaronpk
can you post the new one?
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tantek
doing
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tantek
could you or snarfed put the old one in a "silo examples" section on /event ?
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tantek.com
uploaded /File:Screen_Shot_2014-02-27_at_16.10.11.png "Facebook event for 2014-02-12 Homebrew Website Club meetup, manually POSSEd by Ben Werdmuller from werd.io to FB."
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aaronparecki.com
edited /event (+67) "add old fb event screenshot"
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snarfed.org
edited /event (+120) "facebook pre-2014 screenshot"
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aaronpk
ha oops
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snarfed
huh. let's try that again.
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aaronpk
i added a sectionon the bottom already
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snarfed.org
edited /event (-5) "reformat screenshot"
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snarfed
k, moving
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snarfed
yours is better than mine. i'll just link to mine instead of embedding
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tantek.com
edited /event (+495) "/* Silo Examples */ add new FB example, subhead"
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tantek
wonders about collisions
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aaronpk
OH GOD WHAT HAVE THEY DONE
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aaronpk
although looks like the new design doesn't have as many crappy ads
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aaronpk
maybe I should have included those in my screenshot
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tantek
I probably have some adblock stuffs going on >:)
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aaronpk
weird it's like the new events section is trying to be a whole app
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tantek
who cares about ads for UI
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tantek
we're not putting that crap on our indie sites anyway
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aaronpk
yeah i figured that wasn't the important part anyway, so i left it out of the screenshot
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KartikPrabhu
seems like they went out of their way to have "profile tools" on the left. wonder if they are planning to have that left sidebar on all pages.
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tantek
such a cluster
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tantek
so basically, now even FB is going down the Twitter path of bolluxing up their formerly clean UI
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KartikPrabhu
oh was twitter cleaner before?
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snarfed.org
edited /event (-36) "link to second screenshot"
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tantek
no no they're different event!
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tantek
events!
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tantek
snarfed and I put up the SF event
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tantek
aaronpk put up the PDX one
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tantek
the SF one has more activity around it
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tantek
that shows more features
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aaronpk
i thought i put up the sf one
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snarfed
sorry, didn't mean to imply it was the same event, just the same ui
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tantek
ok well whichever
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tantek
let's leave both up
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tantek
snarfed no that's important to have the same SF event
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tantek
since that way we can A/B compare old/new
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KartikPrabhu
guys maybe als document the change on /facebook ?
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KartikPrabhu
s/als/also
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Loqi
KartikPrabhu meant to say: guys maybe also document the change on /facebook ?
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tantek
why doesn't the PDX event show a map image?
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tantek
whereas the SF event does?
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tantek
(old design here)
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tantek
notice the map image got DROPPED in the new design
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tantek
and instead they leave a BIG BLANK SPACE where there is no event header image. idiots. sorry, but that is a crap design reversion.
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tantek.com
edited /event (+49) "/* Silo Examples */ Facebook subhead"
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tantek.com
edited /Facebook (+1257) "Post Types, Event, braindump a few other post types"
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tantek.com
edited /event (+350) "/* Redesign 2014-02-27 */ Shall we count the design regressions"
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tantek_
KartikPrabhu - as requested, and I braindumped various post types there in general: http://indiewebcamp.com/Facebook#Post_Types
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tantek
aaronpk, FB is *still* the only silo I know of that does realtime updating of comments on a page/post you have open in a browser window.
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KartikPrabhu1
tantek: great. It would be very educational to see the silo implementation of post UI/UX and its evolution
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KartikPrabhu
doesn't aaronpk's site do that too? What does that use WebSockets?
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tantek
KartikPrabhu - Chris Messina for a while was posting screenshots of all kinds of silo stuff on Flickr
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tantek
login screens, sign-up flow etc.
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tantek
before he was swallowed and burned out by Google :(
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tantek
KartikPrabhu yes!
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KartikPrabhu
invented the hashtag! pretty cool
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KartikPrabhu
also his Google+ says "He previously worked at Google on Google+ as a UX designer and developer advocate."
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KartikPrabhu
looking through Messina's Flickr
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tantek
drat - can't find aaronpk's implementation on the wiki!
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KartikPrabhu
oooo! hovercard seems to be a good UI for displaying h-cards on mouse-over or something
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tantek
damn I miss messina documenting this stuff
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aaronpk
Me too, that was always really nice to see
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aaronpk
I have some stuff like that I've added to my flickr, but nowhere near as comprehensive as him
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snarfed
tantek: github is another RT example
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snarfed
also, chris messina left google, but you already knew that
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caseorganic
Yeah! I got into flickr screenshots because of Messina. Used his stuff for ux design for years
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KartikPrabhu
it would be good to have such a documentation, to enforce the idea that indieweb is more UI/UX focused than code writing
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tantek
snarfed I haven't seen github comments show up in RT
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tantek
KartikPrabhu - indeed
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snarfed
tantek: i routinely push changes with "fixes #X" with issue X open in a browser window, and it updates as "closed" soon after
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tantek
interesting
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tantek
perhaps document on /github?
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snarfed
not 100%, but usually
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tantek
I found where I first went off about realtime display of comments: http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2013-09-30-indieweb-dinner#Realtime_inline_display_of_comments
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tantek
and then of course, aaronpk was first to implement. he's so darn fast!
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tantek.com
edited /events/2013-09-30-indieweb-dinner (+21) "/* Realtime inline display of comments */ linky"
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KartikPrabhu
must get on to this notes, comments things soon
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KartikPrabhu
twitter also alerts you if a new tweet drops in your timeline, but then you must click for it to appear
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snarfed
KartikPrabhu++ true
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Loqi
KartikPrabhu has 3 karma
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KartikPrabhu
same wit gmail, though that might not count as a silo
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snarfed
KartikPrabhu: we tend to focus on publishing use cases
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tantek
right - the "something new has happened" is actually much more distracting than useful
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tantek
stupid red number badges
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tantek.com
edited /comments-presentation (+726) "/* How to */ in realtime"
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tantek
aaronpk, mind braindumping (or linking to a description of?) how you implemented real-time comments display? http://indiewebcamp.com/comments-presentation#in_realtime
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KartikPrabhu
I think the user should be notified that something has happened but then taking an additional action to view the update is not necessary at all
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snarfed
or even better, it should be configurable, even if it's as little as push notifications on/off
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snarfed
tantek and i have both written long posts about attention, info overload, etc
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snarfed
worth thinking about, but still a tar pit :/
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tantek.com
edited /comments-presentation (+75) "/* in realtime */ implemented citation, ~2 weeks after conception."
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KartikPrabhu
speaking of comments, what are people's thoughts on Medium having paragraph level commenting
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tantek
kartikprabhu - pretty cool IMO
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tantek
and thank you for calling it paragraph level commenting instead of "annotations" (so academic)
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tantek.com
edited /comments-presentation (+126) "/* in realtime */ see also detailed how to, sample code, video"
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KartikPrabhu
me too. but seems hard to do with mentions. possible for sections with heading as url fragments but paragraphs?
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KartikPrabhu
i think of them as social note taking. but notes has diff. meaning on this channel :)
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snarfed
yup, you'd just mention the fragment
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KartikPrabhu
snarfed: I don't think anyone has paragraph level fragments yet. But even section level would be a great start
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snarfed
you mean automatically, for every paragraph in every post? true, maybe not, at least none of us
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tantek
Tim Bray does
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: where? tbray.org does not have p-level fragments
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KartikPrabhu
aah he seems to mark-up "important" paragraphs. interesting
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tantek
hover over the first paragraph in each section, and you'll see a little purple P paragraph symbol at the end, which if you then hover over, you'll see it's a fragment like #p-3
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tantek
it's automatic
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tantek
just for each section
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KartikPrabhu
I see. Anything with a h2 gets a id and link. sweet
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tantek
is that useful? I've considered doing it for my blog posts at least
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tantek
and sometimes I manually put IDs on my h2 elements
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KartikPrabhu
I always put ids manually on each section, corresponding to a slug title. Putting links would be useful if you expect readers to refer to particular sections. or use them in mentions
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KartikPrabhu
as a small point to Bray's UI, I think the link should be next to the title (maybe on the left). Much more intuitive and noticeable
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tantek
also I have mixed feelings about UI for discovering these fragment links
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tantek
KartikPrabhu - I used to have those on my old old blog posts (pre-Falcon). And I decided they were noisy and ugly
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tantek
"#" permalinks
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KartikPrabhu
yes, they do clutter up the space
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KartikPrabhu
that's why hover maybe. but then they are hard to find
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KartikPrabhu
has no good solution at this moment
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tantek
yeah, hover is useless for touch
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tantek
so...
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KartikPrabhu
this problem has be at the back of my mind since I saw Medium. But I don't know how to do it in a good way
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KartikPrabhu
makes for interesting indieweb brainstorming though
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tantek
so how does Medium do it on a touch interface e.g. iPad?
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tantek
KartikPrabhu - perhaps get notes & top level comments/replies working first ;)
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KartikPrabhu
whips out his phone and checks
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KartikPrabhu
thought-experiments. Physics habits
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: turns out the whole p-level comment does not work on mobile on FF
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tantek
on Medium?
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bret
tantek: re: ikiwiki. no never used it on my site, but have used it on the git-annex website. Its made by a debian developer so it might be just as hard to run as MySQL :p
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bret
never had to set it up and run it myself though
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tantek
yeah, I'll wait for that personal setup experience from someone else first ;)
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bret
erik from hwc said he used it. I'll ask him about it next time to see if its worth playing with
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bret
tantek: I think whats nice about it is that the actual wiki itself is just a git repo which can be cloned and forked.... which to me at least... sounds nicer than dealing with mysql
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bret
not sure excatly how the software lays on top it yet
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tantek
you know what's better than git? even flat(ter) files
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tantek
I'll be over here working on implementing this instead: http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki-projects#Brainstorming
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bret
I'll play around with ikiwiki and document it at some point
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bret
you can play with the sandbox online though to get a feel if you want: http://ikiwiki.info/sandbox/
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bret
indieauth via openID works :)
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bret
its a little to close to the actual git interface im afraid for actual use though
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tantek
yeah that's no good
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tantek
a good wiki UI would have ZERO gitisms
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tantek
git should be backend plumbing only and not pollute the user model at all. At all!
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bret
i wonder what % of the UI is purly reachable from a browser
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bret
personally, I prefer cloning a git repository between computers/servers over manually copying flat file or migrating DBs
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bret
but I wouldt want to have to fenagle a git history on a public wiki unless there were good UI tools for it
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tantek
bret - meh - it's special knowledge above and beyond copying a folder.
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tantek
really don't care for more special-back-end-storage knowledge
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tantek
more crap to clutter my head
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tantek
that has nothing to do with actually getting done what I want to get done
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bret
gits amazing, make room! ;)
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tantek
bret - every backend is ephemeral
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tantek
aaronpk, indieauth is hanging on rel-me detection for Crystalbeasley.com
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bret
my issue is that I use 5 different computers, so git actually helps me keep track of my stuff
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bret
rather than trying to deal with the 'oh crap, why isnt this on my computer'
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aaronpk
totally agree about git! really painful trying to sync stuff between multiple computers otherwise
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aaronpk
checking out crystalbeasley.com
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bret
dropbox should be the minimum viable git interface
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bret
sparkleshare was so close
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aaronpk
whoa! crazy eror
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aaronpk
gah it's the stupid github error again
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bret
tantek: the thing I like about git is that its essentially flat file, with history and distribution built in. I agree the UI is lacking and requires specialized knowledge
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bret
aaronpk: the one I had?
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aaronpk
and others
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bret
i know the solution
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bret
to that at least
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bret
its a DNS issue
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tantek
bret - please add to an FAQ?
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tantek
so it's discoverable?
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aaronpk
*some* of the github servers send back content for example.com, others send a redirect to "/" with no hostname in the redirect
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bret
I added it to a github issue :x I'll redo it on the wiki
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aaronpk
bear: did that actually solve it for you? I odn't see how
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bret
aaronpk: github changed their ip address. when you have your DNS set to the old IP it does that
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aaronpk
bret: (not bear)
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aaronpk
OH! ok that makes more sense
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bret
aaronpk: works flawlessly now
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bret
github breakin the internetz
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bret
tantek: aaronpk ill add the faq one sec
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skinny
aaronpk: auth is hanging on this step for me http://cl.ly/image/0B0a2M0S0n19
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aaronpk
skinny: yeah it's an un-caught error
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skinny
aaronpk: any suggestions?
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aaronpk
yeah bret has a fix
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skinny
cool
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aaronpk
although you're going to have another problem after that, heh
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aaronpk
which I could have sworn I fixed the other day
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bret
skinny: writing a tldr fix right now in the wiki but preview my notes here: https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth/issues/46#issuecomment-34565297
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aaronpk
ah the twitter problem has returned
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aaronpk
wtf does this mean and why is SSL so hard "SSL_connect returned=1 errno=0 state=SSLv3 read finished A: unexpected message"
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aaronpk
who writes these error messages "read finished A"??
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bret
ikr?
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bret.io
edited /IndieAuth (+977) "/* FAQ */ Added Github Pages DNS issue FAQ Answer"
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bret.io
edited /IndieAuth (+0) "Fixed casing"
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skinny
bret: can you say what it means to be up to date? It works fine.
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bret
sure, I was just about to ask if what Im saying make sense
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bret
skinny: Github pages used to tell your to point your DNS to one IP address, then changed this IP a while back and now are redirecting the old IP address, which causes the issue where it 301 redrects to '/' instead of you domain name sometimes
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skinny
this was set up in december
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bret
the change happened in Jan 2014
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bret
just make sure your DNS points to 192.30.252.153 and/or 192.30.252.154
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aaronpk
actually probably hsould be 199.27.79.133 which is what skinny97214.github.io resolves to
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bret
never set your DNS on the advice from a random on IRC though, see for yourself https://help.github.com/articles/setting-up-a-custom-domain-with-pages#setting-up-dns
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aaronpk
sound advice
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skinny
can we fix the bug instead of fixing my config?
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bret
aaronpk: I set two A records to those IP addresses
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aaronpk
there are two problems
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bret
one of the bugs is on githubs end when your domain goes through a redirect
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aaronpk
your site may eventually stop working when github eventually turns off their server
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aaronpk
2) indieauth is not properly resolving relative redirects
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aaronpk
1 is arguably more important for you
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aaronpk
their old server*
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skinny
sure sure
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KartikPrabhu
snarfed: latest issue fixed too! you seem to be doing a thorough testing!
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snarfed
thanks KartikPrabhu!
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KartikPrabhu
!tell tantek: In reference to earlier discussion - http://5by5.tv/webahead/60 podcast talking about web annotations.
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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Loqi
tantek: KartikPrabhu left you a message 2 hours, 33 minutes ago: In reference to earlier discussion - http://5by5.tv/webahead/60 podcast talking about web annotations.
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Loqi
barnabywalters: bnvk left you a message on 2/27 at 10:36am: Brian said trivia night at Lebowski is happening tonight at 21:00 if you're keen
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acegiak
morning, all
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Jeena
morning acegiak, even though it is afternoon already here in Sweden ;)
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acegiak
its 2am in new zealand. i use univerzal greeting time in irc
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tantek
!tell KartikPrabhu good to see that webmentions and IndieWebCamp were cited on that podcast! Beware the "Open Annotation" stuff as it's fairly overdesign/complex and has RDF at its core. More academic overdoing it.
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi
pfefferle: tantek left you a message on 2/27 at 3:20pm: so who in that indieweb WP plugin thread is actually posting those tweet replies from their own site, HMMMMMM?!? I.e. so really, how good is your plugin(s)? Can it POSSE threaded replies to Twitter? #throwingdown ;)
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pfefferle
!tell tantek sadly there is no "real" POSSE plugin for WordPress yet... we all use existing plugins for posting posts to the different silos, but none of them supports (threaded) comments. I focused a lot on webmentions and all the different semantics and the reply context, no time for POSSE yet.
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Loqi
dude
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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pfefferle
!tell tantek I wanted to fokus on threaded webmentions as a next step!
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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pfefferle
Loqi: thanks
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barnabywalters
just build bare-minimum indieweb search engine — HTML interface to elastic search instance with my link archive indexed
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barnabywalters
s/build/built
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Loqi
barnabywalters meant to say: just built bare-minimum indieweb search engine — HTML interface to elastic search instance with my link archive indexed
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cweiske
barnabywalters, how do you index?
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barnabywalters
cweiske: I’m using elasticsearch
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cweiske
barnabywalters, how do you index?
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cweiske
you need to put the data into elasticsearch somehow
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barnabywalters
cweiske: at the moment I just iterate through all my archived pages, parse for microformats (falling back to treating the whole thing as a h-entry if none) then flatten and index
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cweiske
i'm looking for a search engine for my website, too
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cweiske
but don't want to write it on my own
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cweiske
didn't really fine a suitable one
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cweiske
except maybe regain
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cweiske
but that's pretty old
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cweiske
i'd want resource indexing, too - images, pdf files and so
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cweiske
IIRC elasticsearch can do this itself with a plugin
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barnabywalters
yep I think I saw mention of an attachment mapping or something
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barnabywalters
I’ve only played with the text indexing so far
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cweiske
do you rank headings higher than text?
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barnabywalters
cweiske: nope, not doing anything particularly clever like that yet
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barnabywalters
although I have set up the indexer so that when it comes across a page with multiple h-entries on it doesn’t index that page, but indexes each of the h-entries at their own URLs
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barnabywalters
which should almost completely prevent feed pages from turning up in search results above the post pages
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cweiske
you could rank feed pages down
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barnabywalters
which google does all the time with my website
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barnabywalters
cweiske: there isn’t really anything on most feed pages that I want to index other than the posts themselves
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barnabywalters
I’d rather they just didn’t turn up in the results
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aaronpk
barnabywalters: awesome, congrats!
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aaronpk
So you're indexing the e-content and p-name values?
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: currently indexing all the flattened mf properties, searching within content and trying to figure out how to search within name with a higher weight
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barnabywalters
ah it’s multi_match
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barnabywalters
hm, elastic search is now on my list of potential databases to use if/when my CSV index gets too slow or limiting
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: you mentioned that you wouldn’t want to run a java service — why? security concerns?
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aaronpk
No, I've never had a good experience running java stuff, always makes me install crap I don't understand or set weird environment variables
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aaronpk
If I don't know it's java and it just works then I don't mind
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: ah okay. so far elasticsearch seems to be in the second category
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barnabywalters
installing via brew
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aaronpk
How about on the server?
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barnabywalters
I have no immediate plans to deploy this publicly
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barnabywalters
so haven’t tried yet
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barnabywalters
but presumably it’ll just install via apt-get
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aaronpk
Ah ok.
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aaronpk
Care to write up your findings on the wiki or in a post?
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: will do shortly, just adding pagination, better templates and styling so it’s actually usable
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barnabywalters
currently the UI is just an input and an ordered list of titles, linking to the originals :)
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aaronpk
ha cool
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aaronpk
well can't wait to see it
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aaronpk
elasticsearch was the best looking thing I found when I looked into this stuff a few months ago
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barnabywalters
yeah, I’m really liking it so far!
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barnabywalters
just looking at these search results I realise there are so many interesting design problems to solve — e.g. what should comments look like in search results?
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elladurham
Hey, there. Excuse my intrusion ;) New, here. I'm planning on attending Open Source Bridge Conf and would really like to see if it's possible to attend Indie Web Camp 2014 as an apprentice. It looks like it's close to capacity, but not entirely sure how to sign up for wait list or if there are folks I can reach out to who might be willing to take me under their wing.
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barnabywalters
this is totally going to better than google :)
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barnabywalters
greetings elladurham! welcome to #indiewebcamp
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barnabywalters
elladurham: do you have a personal domain?
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aaronpk
only a few of us signed up for 2014 so far! http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Guest_List
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barnabywalters
in order to RSVP you need to either sign into the wiki using one, or find someone in here who’s going and ask if you can be their apprentice
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elladurham
Okay, that's what it looked like/where the confusion was
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elladurham
I am signed up for the wiki, I do have a personal domain
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barnabywalters
elladurham: great! in that case all you need to do is edit the Guest List page and add yourself, and you’re signed up
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elladurham
awesome, can I just declare myself an apprentice? I haven't really engaged directly in the community yet/created stuff at this point
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barnabywalters
if you have a personal domain, you’ve skipped past apprentice and are a creator :)
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elladurham
Oh! super, thank you so much for your help. Sorry I'm terrible at IRC, I only use it so frequently that I forget how to do anything but change my name
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aaronpk
that's all I really know how to do too :)
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elladurham
Do you think, while I am in there, I should remove the note about being close to capacity?
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barnabywalters
elladurham: please do — well spotted, must have been left over from a copy/paste from a previous event
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: hahaha I just at the exact same instant came across an almost identical error in my own search indexing :)
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Loqi
nice
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barnabywalters
turns out removing script elements before taking text content is a good idea
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barnabywalters
<style> too
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barnabywalters
hm this same logic could be useful when parsing p- properties
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barnabywalters
maybe we need a sane HTML-to-plaintext algorithm
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barnabywalters
e.g. remove script, style elements, replace embedded content with accessible alternatives, etc.
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barnabywalters
unless one already exists
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aaronpk
i think that has always been called "sanitization" and just assumed people would know what to do
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barnabywalters
okay yeah then it needs specifying
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barnabywalters
also, “sanitisation” to me is different to HTML -> plaintext
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barnabywalters
sanitisation implies removing dangerous stuff and cleaning HTML markup, whilst retaining document structure
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barnabywalters
rather than explicitly converting to a plaintext representation of the markup
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barnabywalters
I should probably also html-encode the result content… http://waterpigs.co.uk/img/indie-search-unescaped.png
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aaronpk
definitely
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aaronpk
see, even loqi knows
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Loqi
dude
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barnabywalters
Loqi: what’s your hourly web dev rate?
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barnabywalters
okay, reindexing plaintext versions is the perfect break to start writing this stuff up
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elladurham.com
edited /2014/Guest_List (+298) "/* Creators */"
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elladurham.com
edited /2014/Guest_List (+18) "/* Wait List */"
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waterpigs.co.uk
edited /search (+2180) "Added design section with observations and tips from experimenting with Elasticsearch over my archive"
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elladurham
Cheers! Thanks again @aaronpk and barnabywalters
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KevinMarks
Welcome Ella
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elladurham
Thank you, Kevin!
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Jeena
elladurham, i was just checking out your website, there is no blog or notes or something on it yet, or is it and I just couldn't find it yet?
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elladurham
nope, there isn't any content (yet), I'm still running through the documentation and learning best practice to syndicate elsewhere -- again, really new here ;)
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Jeena
ah hehe ok, no problem, I am just trying to follow interesting people from the indieweb and what the write (for now via RSS)
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Loqi
KartikPrabhu: tantek left you a message 4 hours, 56 minutes ago: good to see that webmentions and IndieWebCamp were cited on that podcast! Beware the "Open Annotation" stuff as it's fairly overdesign/complex and has RDF at its core. More academic overdoing it.
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elladurham
Jeena, Is there a list of folks out there somewhere that I'm missing? I was looking for people to follow as well, but I didn't dig very deep.
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elladurham
Ah, great, that's handy, thanks
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Loqi
tantek: pfefferle left you a message 5 hours, 14 minutes ago: sadly there is no "real" POSSE plugin for WordPress yet... we all use existing plugins for posting posts to the different silos, but none of them supports (threaded) comments. I focused a lot on webmentions and all the different semantics and the reply context, no time for POSSE yet.
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Loqi
tantek: pfefferle left you a message 5 hours, 9 minutes ago: I wanted to fokus on threaded webmentions as a next step!
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tantek
good day #indiewebcamp!
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tantek
!tell pfefferle awesome work with the webmentions and reply context functionality! POSSE (especially POSSE threading) is definitely more challenging. Glad to hear you're looking at it, and looking forward to see you @-reply from your own site :)
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek
Happy Friday #indiewebcamp!
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tantek
Next Friday is IndieWebCampSF!!!
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snarfed
excited!
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KartikPrabhu
aw man Google got pwned!
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gRegor`
Hahaha
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gRegor`
Loqi logs the tweet text if you post a twitter link? Nice.
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Loqi
yeah!
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gRegor`
yay!
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Loqi
woot
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sparverius
thats dumb
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sparverius
they explictly have the link and source
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sparverius
are very clear about what it is
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sparverius
and it takes up almost as much space as the actual result
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KartikPrabhu
I don't think citation was a criterion for being not a scrapper -site
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gRegor`
Adding what value, sparverius?
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indie-visitor
I'm pretty sure I just accidentally registered indie-visitor :facepalm: is there a way to quickly undo this?
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sparverius
gRegor`: a quick answer to a question
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sparverius
unlike scrapers which exist to be clicked on for ads and dont care too much about relevancy
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arcatan
indie-visitor: register where?
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aaronpk
nickserv?
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indie-visitor
nickserv
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arcatan
right. the command is DROP. /msg NickServ help drop
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indie-visitor
great, thanks, unregistered
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tantek
I see that the new IRC access is working better ;)
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tantek
can we teach Loqi to say hi to "indie-visitor" and suggest they use /nick to set their name?
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tantek
aaronpk - whoa on those google search results formatting
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tantek
so they dropped the underline and added line-height - anything else?
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gRegor`
Man I've been getting d/c a lot lately
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tantek
has anyone here experimented with paypal, square cash, or other payment buttons/links on their sites?
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tantek
I realized there's a monetary/payment analogy to People Focused Mobile Communication Experience
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tantek
and this for making square cash buttons to pay you: https://medium.com/look-what-i-made/294e9d2eb58b
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tantek
and for donating to someone's starbucks card: http://jonathanstark.com/card/#give-a-coffee
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snarfed
tantek: barnabywalters did some work on mf2 for bitcoin payments/tipping
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snarfed
i assume you saw that
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snarfed
don't have the link handy, but i'm sure it's searchable
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tantek
snarfed, yeah I was thinking in terms of currencies that are easier for me to spend
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snarfed
heh true!
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snarfed
his work might have been currency-independent
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tantek
just as I was thinking in terms of communication protocols that are easier for me to receive/read/respond to
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bret
tekcoin
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bret
just as long as it doenst take the form of a gift card
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tantek
may or may not have just bought squaremo (dotcom)
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tantek
bret - I use my Starbucks giftcard all the time
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bret
i have had this bed bath and beyond card for ages
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bret
no clue what to do with it :p
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tantek
bret I go there about once a month
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bret
starbux makes sence
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bret
since they are more common than atms
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tantek
ping me next time we're f2f and I can give you cash for the bbb card to help you liquidate it
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bret
ah no way?! ill go home and look for it
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tantek
yeah - many credit cards let you get gift cards instead of cashback
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tantek
with a better ratio
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tantek
e.g. $20 for a $25 BBB card
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bret
i guess that makes sence
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tantek
that plus BBB spams with 20% off coupons = $20 cash back cost for $30 of value at BBB
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tantek
not a bad %
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bret
no not at all, im just carless right now and BBB is so far away
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tantek
yeah totally
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tantek
it's also an infrequent special purchase kind of thing
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bret
Can you get a paypal debit card?
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bret
IE, spend out of that account
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tantek
maybe? not sure. I never have.
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bret
Simple bank has instant transfer, sent Amber some $$ for a phone the other day
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bret
Everyone has to have an account though
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aaronpk
Totally, I used a paypal card for everything for a while
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aaronpk
The coolest part is you immediately get an email when the card is run
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aaronpk
So often I'd get an email before the waiter gets back with the card
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bret
Wow, were they doing this before or after simple bank?
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aaronpk
Of course I hooked up and email- to-web script so I could have a map of where I spent money
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aaronpk
Way before simple
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tantek
bret - venmo similarly has instant transfer AFAIK
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tantek
aaronpk - that's awesome
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bret
thats what I though, didnt know they had a debit though
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aaronpk
Simple still doesn't have realtime hooks for transactions other than the push notification to your phone, which has been super unreliable lately
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tantek
indeed. email is the hook of last resort isn't it?
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bret
sometimes its fast, sometimes its slow, i couldnt tell if it was the store or simple
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bret
Bankhooks
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aaronpk
Email hooks are pretty powerful. Still sad how annoying it is to work with them tho
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tantek
yes. not very "hackable"
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tantek
in a good way - I think KevinMarks tweeted that
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aaronpk
Last night I DOS'd my gmail account, oops
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bret
I hear the bigger banks are holding back the capabilities of ACH
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aaronpk
Infinite forwarding loop
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aaronpk
I'm still getting emails trickling in from it
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tantek
oops! at least browser detect infinite HTTP redirects!
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aaronpk
Ended up with over 10,000 emails
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tantek
aaronpk - really surprised that didn't trigger some rate limiter
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tantek
at gmail
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aaronpk
Note to self: gmail forwarding rules *will forward everything* when you don't specify a filter
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bret
lol no way
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aaronpk
Me too, it was surprising to see. Funny thing is I set up the script, then went to the bar, and got back to a flooded inbox
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tantek
I think there's a meme image for that
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tantek
check in patch. go home.
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tantek
or something like that
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aaronpk
Yea pretty much
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tantek
indiewebmemes.tumblr.
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aaronpk
.tumblr.medium.com
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aaronpk
mumblr.com?
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tantek
brb software update
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aaronpk
brb airplane lol
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bret
when you back aaronpk ?
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aaronpk
Sunday night
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bret
im going to help with the door at Code for portland
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aaronpk
Awesome
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bret
cost of my overflow ticket ;)
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snarfed
!tell bret, tantek: remembered it a bit late, but i used to pay way too much attention to gift/prepaid cards. :P https://snarfed.org/privacy_through_prepaid_credit_cards
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KevinMarks
Why would indiewebmemes be on tumblr?
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