#indiewebcamp 2014-03-02

2014-03-02 UTC
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Jeena is it possible to post images via the api?
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KevinMarks Nope
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snarfed not officially
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Loqi [mention] https://snarfed.org/2014-03-01_indiewebcamp-sf-next-weekend linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] https://snarfed.org/2014-03-01_indiewebcamp-sf-next-weekend linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF_Guest_List (pingback)
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snarfed i may try unofficially, by imitating their app
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Loqi [mention] https://snarfed.org/2014-03-01_indiewebcamp-sf-next-weekend linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] https://snarfed.org/2014-03-01_indiewebcamp-sf-next-weekend linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-02-26-homebrew-website-club (pingback)
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snarfed but not a priority just yet
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@schnarfed .@indiewebcamp is next weekend in SF! Can't wait. If you love social networks, but want to own your data, join us! https://snarfed.org/2014-03-01_indiewebcamp-sf-next-weekend (twitter.com/_/status/439925391025664000)
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aaronpk Wow so much good stuff in that presentation
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aaronpk "We put so much care into making the Internet resilient from technical failures, but make no effort to make it resilient to political failure. "
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Loqi aaronpk: tantek left you a message on 3/1 at 1:49am: could act as a router for paying people at a particular domain
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KartikPrabhu !tell snarfed: regarding mf2py and string input try giving it as a keyword argument called 'doc'
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk "Imagine what Stalin could have done with a decent MySQL server."
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JonathanNeal In soviet Russia, there is no mySQL. SQL belong to everyone, aaronpk.
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aaronpk Wow Termen (creator of the Theremin and a bunch of other crazy stuff) died relatively recently, 1993
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bret !tell snarfed thanks for that blog post on prepaid cards, interesting read and info
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Loqi bret: snarfed left you a message 1 day, 1 hour ago: remembered it a bit late, but i used to pay way too much attention to gift/prepaid cards. :P https://snarfed.org/privacy_through_prepaid_credit_cards
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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gavinc Anyone had any luck with creating events in facebook other platforms from their indieweb site?
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@michielbdejong RT @schnarfed: .@indiewebcamp is next weekend in SF! Can't wait. If you love social networks, but want to own your data, join us! https://t… (twitter.com/_/status/439961613987106816)
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michielbdejong.com edited /possible_events (+76) "/* added myself to Paris 2014 */" (view diff)
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@smc90 @xor @davewiner @om I totally hear you and struggled with that, as I support the indieweb concept -- not letting corps own our data -- but > (twitter.com/_/status/439969076949946369)
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@kevinmarks "@davewiner: @smc90 @om -- http://t.co/Mdlv6kmoZb" #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/439970848426827778)
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@OhhSocialMedia RT @kevinmarks: "@davewiner: @smc90 @om -- http://t.co/Mdlv6kmoZb" #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/439971256293949441)
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@kevinmarks @smc90 @xor @davewiner @om the stub links are problematic, but there are ways to do it well http://indiewebcamp.com/Twitter#POSSE_to_Twitter (twitter.com/_/status/439971489689772032)
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@brianjesse RT @kevinmarks: "@davewiner: @smc90 @om -- http://t.co/Mdlv6kmoZb" #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/439974264939114496)
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@alipasha Great content, and thankfully finally a nice style :) “@kevinmarks: ”@davewiner: @smc90 @om — http://t.co/e22zxd0iBB“ #indieweb” (twitter.com/_/status/439975369387819008)
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Loqi snarfed: KartikPrabhu left you a message 4 hours, 32 minutes ago: regarding mf2py and string input try giving it as a keyword argument called 'doc'
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Loqi snarfed: bret left you a message 3 hours, 44 minutes ago: thanks for that blog post on prepaid cards, interesting read and info
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snarfed bret: glad you liked it!
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: aha. thanks! will try that
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@Kluskiewicz RT @kevinmarks: "@davewiner: @smc90 @om -- http://t.co/Mdlv6kmoZb" #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/439997282940112896)
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tantek Darn it. FB updated their mobile event UI also :(
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tantek It's also worse.
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tantek !tell aaronpk, snarfed please screenshot that same SF HWC event using your mobile device(s)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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snarfed oh man
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Loqi snarfed: tantek left you a message 32 seconds ago: please screenshot that same SF HWC event using your mobile device(s)
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snarfed i don't think i've ever logged into fb on the web on my phone
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snarfed tantek, i assume you want mobile web, not app
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tantek Right. Mobile web.
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snarfed.org uploaded /File:fb_event_android_chrome_1.png "Screenshot of 2/12 SF HWC Facebook event on Chrome in Android 4.4, not logged in. Above the fold."
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snarfed.org edited /Special:Log/upload () "uploaded a new version of "[[File:fb event android chrome 1.png]]": Screenshot of 2/12 SF HWC Facebook event on Chrome in Android 4.4, not logged in. Below the fold." (view diff)
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snarfed.org edited /Special:Log/upload () "uploaded a new version of "[[File:fb event android chrome 1.png]]": Reverted to version as of 05:52, 2 March 2014" (view diff)
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snarfed.org uploaded /File:fb_event_android_chrome_2.png "Screenshot of 2/12 SF HWC Facebook event on Chrome in Android 4.4, not logged in. Below the fold."
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@beaulebens RT @schnarfed: .@indiewebcamp is next weekend in SF! Can't wait. If you love social networks, but want to own your data, join us! https://t… (twitter.com/_/status/440006365403414529)
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jenson.org edited /2014/SF/Guest_List (+226) "/* Creators */" (view diff)
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jenson.org created /User:Jenson.org (+232) "Created page with "'''Scott Jenson''' On Tantek's advice I created my own website started doing POSSE about 2 years ago. It's still a pain in ass but I like the freedom. As a UX designer I loathe t..."" (view diff)
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@scottjenson RT @schnarfed: .@indiewebcamp is next weekend in SF! Can't wait. If you love social networks, but want to own your data, join us! https://t… (twitter.com/_/status/440012037406466048)
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michielbdejong hi! i'm missing a "why" reason on http://indiewebcamp.com/why
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michielbdejong for me, it's all about "saving the web" - hopefully in the long run helping other people who might not be programmers. has that been left out on purpose on that wiki page?
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jjuran Hi, am I enough of an "indieweb creator" to attend IndieWebCamp?
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jjuran tantek, KevinMarks: ^
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KevinMarks Do you have your own site?
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jjuran Yes
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KevinMarks Can you sign in with indieauth?
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jjuran yes
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KevinMarks Sounds good to me then.
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jjuran ok :-)
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KevinMarks Michiel:add that reason to the wiki
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michielbdejong on indiewebify.me it says to include <time class="dt-published" datetime="YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS">The Date</datetime> in each hEntry. that closing tag seems to be typo
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michielbdejong also, given that there is no space for a timezone indication, should i use UTC time there?
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@kacphl I'm also watching this talk from @caseorganic about the #Indieweb. http://www.youtube.com/ Anyone interested in starting up a Philly HWC? (twitter.com/_/status/440122892634701824)
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@SecITInfo How many people are using home VPNs? Considering setting up your own cloud? Look into truly owning your own data. #OwnYourData (twitter.com/_/status/440148440178524161)
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snarfed1 apologies for the blatant plug…but a few days ago, i deployed maybe my favorite bridgy feature since it launched
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snarfed1 if your silo profile includes your web site URL, it now uses that as the h-card in the reply/like/etc page, instead of the silo URL
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snarfed1 as an example, look at the people's links here: https://snarfed.org/2014-03-01_indiewebcamp-sf-next-weekend#comments
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snarfed1 all from twitter, but the bottom two point to their own web sites
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snarfed1 one more step toward making individual web sites the real UX, and using silos just as invisible infrastructure (for pubsub, friend graphs, etc)
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tantek snarfed - that is superb!!
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snarfed thanks!
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snarfed really minor, but nice. should have done it ages ago.
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tantek please note that on the /Bridgy page because it's a really cool detail
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snarfed sure
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snarfed.org edited /Bridgy (+608) "uses web site URLs in silo profiles when provided" (view diff)
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aaronpk snarfed: interesting, that actually breaks my design decision to put the twitter/facebook icon over peoples' profile photos when from a silo
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Loqi aaronpk: tantek left you a message 10 hours, 47 minutes ago: please screenshot that same SF HWC event using your mobile device(s)
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snarfed doh! sorry about that
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snarfed well, i don't know that it "breaks" it per se
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snarfed the interaction was still from twitter
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aaronpk I guess I can still know it's from twitter by looking at other things
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aaronpk i was just matching the author URL
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snarfed but if you think the icon implies that clicking through goes to twitter, then yes
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snarfed right
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aaronpk i'll have to think about that
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snarfed sorry. i'm definitely open to ideas on how to include both urls
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aaronpk i'll see how it looks as i collect more rsvps/likes
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aaronpk I was doing this in the reply context already (showing the person's website rather than twitter.com/username) but had to turn it off
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aaronpk turns out a lot of people have their company URL in their twitter bio
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aaronpk i think if I had checked for a bi-directional rel=me link and the presence of an h-card it would have workde out way better
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snarfed hrm, i see
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aaronparecki.com edited /event (+130) "link to mobile screenshots of facebook event" (view diff)
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@getpublify We just pushed Publify 8.0, and there’s a lot about it. #blogging, #indieweb https://github.com/publify/publify/releases/tag/v8.0 (twitter.com/_/status/440176474067591168)
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@fdevillamil Finally it’s out! RT @getpublify: We just pushed Publify 8.0, and there’s a lot about it. #blogging, #indieweb https://github.com/publify/publify/releases/tag/v8.0 (twitter.com/_/status/440176573095096320)
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@AndrejAntas RT @getpublify: We just pushed Publify 8.0, and there’s a lot about it. #blogging, #indieweb https://github.com/publify/publify/releases/tag/v8.0 (twitter.com/_/status/440177178257686529)
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aaronpk neat
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@ya_f RT @getpublify We just pushed Publify 8.0, and there’s a lot about it. #blogging, #indieweb... (http://elsif.fr/note/1039-rt-getpublify-we-just-pushed-publify-8-0-and-there-s-a-lot-about-it-blogging-ind) (twitter.com/_/status/440207102456659968)
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@RoadsideKillers RT @ya_f: RT @getpublify We just pushed Publify 8.0, and there’s a lot about it. #blogging, #indieweb... (http://elsif.fr/note/1039-rt-getpublify-we-just-pushed-publify-8-0-and-there-s-a-lot-about-it-blogging-ind) (twitter.com/_/status/440211912442523648)
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aaronpk tommorris: looks like you're returning a relative URL for your webmention endpoint. apparently I am not set up to handle that :/
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tommorris aaronpk: will fix it later
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aaronpk I wonder if that's something I should be handling tho
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aaronpk yeah it probably is
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grantmacken gant
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aaronpk tommorris: actually i'm patching mention-client to resolve URLs
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aaronpk are relative URLs in HTTP Link headers a thing?
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aaronpk looks really weird if so:
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aaronpk Link: </webmention>
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aaronpk rel="webmention"
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aaronpk i'm gonna say no
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: do these things have some spec page on the web? Iam not able to find any on the Link header
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KartikPrabhu also the wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_HTTP_header_fields#reponses uses a relative URL an an example for LINK
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aaronpk oh yeah there is an example there Link: </feed>
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aaronpk guess i'll have to support that then
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aaronpk i don't think i've ever seen that in the wild
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KartikPrabhu i had a similar discussion here about having relative webmention url in the link element in head
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j12t I'm confused about schedule next weekend in SF. It's Sat and Sun, right? But sponsor section on http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF talks about Fri and Sat.
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aaronpk where do you see sat+sun?
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j12t 7th and 8th?
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j12t Oh, my bad
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j12t Sorry, never mind
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aaronpk tommorris: ok I fixed my client so it finds your webmention endpoint, but now I get a 500 error sending you the mention :(
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SkyWriter hey snarf
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snarfed hi skywriter!
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SkyWriter i found your groups website and decided to poke around and see what's going on
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snarfed great! welcome!
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KartikPrabhu welcome also!
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SkyWriter thanks gang :)
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SkyWriter this might sound naive, but I kinda want to make my own personal cloud. Am I in the right place?
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snarfed what do you mean by that? what things do you want in a personal cloud?
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SkyWriter everything really. If I thought about the "shape" of my data / life, it would look like a key - uneven, high-highs, low-lows
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SkyWriter i have lots of data locally to my hard drive, some stuff in the cloud
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SkyWriter some stuff on services I pay for, some on free services
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snarfed sure, but concretely...
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snarfed do you want to host your own email? calendar? files? web site? ...?
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SkyWriter i already do most of that, but its kind of a pain in the ass
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snarfed definitely!
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snarfed so, you want less admin overhead for the things you already host? which specifically? name a few.
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SkyWriter it has the well crafted polish of a 1990's interface / usability
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snarfed heh
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snarfed re whether you're in the right place, indieweb is mainly about doing this with personal web sites, and interacting with other people's web sites
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snarfed if you want that, great!
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snarfed if you're more interested in hosting for your own stuff - email, files, etc - then personal cloud groups would be better
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SkyWriter splain me a bit. what specifically do you guys do with personal websites?
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snarfed the usual stuff you see on blogs
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SkyWriter is it more about making life easier for people, or more about interconnecting
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snarfed the latter
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snarfed have you read much on the web site?
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snarfed lots of great details there
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SkyWriter woot, I'll go read up more on your projects page :)
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SkyWriter cheers
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snarfed start with http://indiewebcamp.com/principles and http://indiewebcamp.com/Get_Started
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snarfed glad to have you!
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SkyWriter :D
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@vinylisland RT @schnarfed: .@indiewebcamp is next weekend in SF! Can't wait. If you love social networks, but want to own your data, join us! https://t… (twitter.com/_/status/440256112361619456)
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@grantmacken Adding a draft capability to my indieweb publishing enviroment. http://www.youtube.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/440256547675856896)
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