#indiewebcamp

2014-03-07

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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/caseorganic/441751030535966720/415643 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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barnabywalters
acegiak: heads-up: your homepage feed posts have empty names or summaries, so they look pretty bare in my feed reader! http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http%3A%2F%2Facegiak.machinespirit.net%2F waterpigs.co.uk/intertubes/feed/
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cweiske
so much for errors in h-feeds are much easier to spot than errors in atom feeds
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pauloppenheim
oh shit, europeans are up and working, and i am still at the office
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pauloppenheim
and indiewebcamp is tomorrow
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pauloppenheim
hi guys
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barnabywalters
morning pauloppenheim!
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pauloppenheim
no no not yet please
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pauloppenheim
i still need to sleep
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acegiak
barnabywalters: ghanks for the heads up. ill look into it tonight
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pauloppenheim
good morning to you, perhaps, barnabywalters :)
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barnabywalters
in other news, I made a small improvement to intertubes, adding textarea and split-text blocks, e.g. http://waterpigs.co.uk/intertubes/feed/edit/
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barnabywalters
turns out it’s easier to use decades-old text based abstractions rather than build a UI for dynamically adding and removing text boxes
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cweiske
barnabywalters, is that your y!pipes clone?
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barnabywalters
cweiske: yep!
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pauloppenheim
oh that is awesome
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barnabywalters
pauloppenheim: thanks! still a not-particularly-useful work in progress, but I’m learning a lot from it
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barnabywalters
and also it’s a feed reader which is handy
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barnabywalters
currently trying to speed it up a bit
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tommorris
barnabywalters: great work recently on all sorts of stuff. :)
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barnabywalters
tommorris: thanks!
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Loqi
[mention] https://michielbdejong.com/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieMark (webmention)
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Loqi
[mention] https://michielbdejong.com/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Michielbdejong.com (webmention)
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Loqi
[mention] https://michielbdejong.com/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieMark#Level_6 (webmention)
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Loqi
[mention] https://michielbdejong.com/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieMark#Level_2_navigation (webmention)
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Loqi
[mention] https://michielbdejong.com/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieMark (webmention)
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Loqi
[mention] https://michielbdejong.com/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Michielbdejong.com (webmention)
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Loqi
[mention] https://michielbdejong.com/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieMark#Level_6 (webmention)
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Loqi
[mention] https://michielbdejong.com/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieMark#Level_2_navigation (webmention)
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Loqi
[mention] https://michielbdejong.com/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieMark (webmention)
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Loqi
[mention] https://michielbdejong.com/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Michielbdejong.com (webmention)
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Loqi
[mention] https://michielbdejong.com/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieMark#Level_6 (webmention)
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Loqi
[mention] https://michielbdejong.com/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieMark#Level_2_navigation (webmention)
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Loqi
[mention] https://michielbdejong.com/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieMark (webmention)
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Loqi
[mention] https://michielbdejong.com/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Michielbdejong.com (webmention)
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Loqi
[mention] https://michielbdejong.com/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieMark#Level_6 (webmention)
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Loqi
[mention] https://michielbdejong.com/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieMark#Level_2_navigation (webmention)
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acegiak
barnabywalters: added titles to my asides
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acegiak
not sure what to do about summary
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acegiak
cause asides for mine can be quite long because they're anytime I reblog something
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Jeena
hm this was expected but still, now that I am working full-time since monday, I just didn't have and time for my own website at all.
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1JTAALCRD
Morning campers
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kevinmarks
Oh crap, I also left all the badges and pens and things at home
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kevinmarks
As will
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kevinmarks
As well as getting up an hour early
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benwerd
Just a quick message to say: Good morning, IndieWebCampers! I hope you have a really fun, productive day. I'm sorry I can't be there, but can't wait to see the outcomes & hear about what you've built.
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kevinmarks
Morning Ben
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benwerd
Good morning
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kevinmarks
I think my phone was trying to get me in your timezone
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tommorris
ooh, it’s IWC in Americaland? Nice.
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tommorris
greets San Franciscans from sunny London.
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kevinmarks
greets Tom from pre-sunrise palo alto
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kevinmarks
Oh well, I suppose this means I get time to have a huge breakfast at the Grove
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tommorris.org
edited /2014/SF (+52) "/* Questions for Organizers */ what's really going to happen" (view diff)
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tommorris
indieweb is all about giving you, the user, the power. THE POWER. ALL THE POWER. http://31.media.tumblr.com/65bb8ec3bd0b48e4a3c9f3754c92d749/tumblr_mt4so8yAyY1ssdhxio1_500.gif
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Loqi
giggles
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Darius
I'm leaving Pescadero shortly. Bringing markers, post-its, whatever else I think of.
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kevinmarks.com
edited /2014/SF (+32) "/* Organizers */" (view diff)
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kevinmarks
Thanks Darius, as I left those at home
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Darius
I've got some mailing labels that can serve as name tags. 2" x 4"
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Loqi
snarfed: caseorganic left you a message 8 hours, 39 minutes ago: it would be great if food arrived by 9:30 for when people start arriving and getting settled in!
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snarfed
sure!
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@kevinmarks
Pre #indiewebcamp breakfast (@ The Grove) http:///login?continue=%2Fkevinmarks%2Fcheckin%2F5319e251498e6a04b45276f7 (twtr.io/irHAA2xGWw)
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kevinmarks
There is an office depot near me on 3rd so I can restock the post its etc then.
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Darius
I was disconnected briefly while driving up the coast where are we with supplies?
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Darius
I'm in halfway half-moon bay just heading over to 280 now. Many many opportunities to stop
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bnvk
Darius: is your last name Monsef?
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Darius
Dunlap
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bnvk
ah, ok, thought you might be a guy I know
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kevinmarks
Big post it's (for session descriptions) and tape for a grid are on my list of you have pens and name stickers
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Darius
Big posted says in the easel pad
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aaronpk
Giant easel pad would be <3
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aaronpk
We forgot about that yesterday until we were talking about it over dinner
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Darius
No problem then I'm on it let me know if there's anything else we need office supplies
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KevinMarks
This office depot doesn't have mustache or bacon tape
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Darius
Where are you Kevin I'm in my car coming to the mission
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tantek
survived his insane run this morning and might actually make it to IndieWebCampSF on time!
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tantek
survived his insane run this morning and might actually make it to IndieWebCampSF on time!
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tantek
survived his insane run this morning and might actually make it to IndieWebCampSF on time!
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KevinMarks
I'm on 3rd and market, about to bike up to embassy
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willnorris
anyone already at embassy? is it kosher to come by this early? (i'm a few blocks away)
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Darius
Okay I was going to stop over here, near 101 ninth at the Office Depot here if we need anything
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Loqi
willnorris: tantek left you a message on 2/27 at 3:20pm: so who in that indieweb WP plugin thread is actually posting those tweet replies from their own site, HMMMMMM?!? I.e. so really, how good is your plugin(s)? Can it POSSE threaded replies to Twitter? #throwingdown ;)
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tantek
WTH. On my side sent those messages to IRC at 8:02, 8:05, 8:08. And Loqi has them all timestamped at 8:09.
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Loqi
woot!
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tantek
no Loqi, no woot!
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Loqi
yay!
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Darius
I'm at Office Depot. Do we still need big easel pads? what else?
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barnabywalters
tommorris: seems like the image link on http://tommorris.org/posts/8836 is broken
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tantek
wiillnorris, I'll try to get there as soon as I can. getting cleaned up post-run.
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aaronpk
willnorris: i'm here now
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aaronpk
feel free to come by!
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aaronpk
i see kevinmarks arriving!
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tommorris
barnabywalters: oh?
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tommorris
barnabywalters: oh okay, I know what’s going on - Dropbox have made it harder to share the actual URL
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp (@ The Embassy Network) http:///login?continue=%2Fkevinmarks%2Fcheckin%2F5319f37011d28aebaea09a5a (twtr.io/irPjA0hU3C)
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tommorris
will copy it over shortly
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KevinMarks
any bike parking at sf embassy?
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aaronpk
KevinMarks: not inside as far as I know
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Darius
Last call for office supplies. Got a 30-sheet large Post-It easel pad. Already have lots of sharpies and regular post-its.
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aaronpk
Darius: awesome perfect. kevin just arrived with name badges
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aaronparecki.com
edited /2014/SF (-19) (view diff)
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KevinMarks
warning, the hills up to The Embassy are steep
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tantek
kevinmarks, hah!
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@kyle_wm
On the way to my first IndieWebCamp http://t.co/qf1Ee5YUlc. Think it will be super fun! (twtr.io/irS2p8jZVb)
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aaronparecki.com
created /2014/SF_Schedule (+934) "session grid day 1" (view diff)
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Loqi
[mention] http://kylewm.com/note/2014/5599 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF. (webmention)
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Loqi
[mention] http://kylewm.com/note/2014/5599 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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michielbdejong
/me watching a movie until iwc-sf starts, i'll stay up to follow you guys from India :)
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aaronparecki.com
edited /2014/SF_Schedule (+1047) (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com
edited /2013/UK/Schedule (+23) "/* Saturday 2013-09-07 */" (view diff)
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tantek
Wat
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aaronparecki.com
edited /2014/SF_Schedule (+32) (view diff)
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aaronpk
?
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KevinMarks
new idea: indiewebcam
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@kevinmarks
@OddLetters @BiellaColeman @smc90 @sarahjeong I'm at indiewebcamp SF for the next 2 days, so I get to hang with hackers (twtr.io/irUYrVLAXU)
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aaronpk
anybody heading over who has an extra laptop? for remote video?
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aaronpk
tantek maybe?
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tantek
ok
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tantek
bringing 2 laptops then
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tantek
just caught me
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aaronpk
awesome. i've got an external camera and mic for it
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aaronpk
barnabywalters: michielbdejong: you guys want to tune into a livestream?
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: that would be great! just heading home, I’ll tune in then
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aaronpk
cool!
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michielbdejong
great! "indiewebcam", i like it :)
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aaronpk
indiewebcam is coming online as soon as tantek gets here :)
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aaronpk
also for remote participants, the schedule grid is here and will be updated with etherpad URLs when we get it filled in http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF_Schedule
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michielbdejong
thx!
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tantek
Will be there in under 10. Have a thunderbolt video connector ready to go and I can plug my laptop in when I get there.
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willnorris
inspired by caseorganic talking about Esri culture toward open source... "Open is not a four letter word"
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tantek
Could someone archive the /indiewebcamp etherpad and set it up for today?
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tantek
(On mobile)
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aaronpk
sure
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tantek
Here
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aaronparecki.com
created /etherpad-archive (+2447) "moving content from etherpad" (view diff)
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caseorganic
scottjenson: WELCOME!
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aaronparecki.com
created /2013/UK/Notes (+7668) "Created page with "Dump from etherpad. TODO: Categorize this better. --- Welcome to IndieWebCamp UK 2013! Home: http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/UK Schedule Grid: http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/UK/Sc..."" (view diff)
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aaronpk
michielbdejong: barnabywalters: https://talky.io/indiewebcampsf
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aaronpk
it's webrtc so if you're on a restrictive network it may not work
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: takk!
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caseorganic
Indiewebcamp SF is starting! Remote participants: talky.io/indiewebcampsf
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KevinMarks
hiya
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caseorganic
https://talky.io/indiewebcampsf
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jden
yayyyyyyyyyyyyyy
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Loqi
yay!
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caseorganic
YAAAAAAYYYY
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caseorganic
adambrault: hello!
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adambrault
howdy!
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_6a68
o hai
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barnabywalters
greetings all! can I be seen?
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dariusdunlap
hai
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barnabywalters
talky.io is a little vague about that small detail
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aaronpk
barnabywalters: nope, can't see you, I see a black screen for you
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aaronpk
do you see us?
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barnabywalters
ah okay
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jden
el oh el: "muting is only available in chrome"
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barnabywalters
I’ll just use chrome, that was the problem before
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jden
adambrault: fix this :)
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barnabywalters
or, as it is now aliased, “that browser with flash”
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KevinMarks
I see two people
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_6a68
i love the futuristic raygun join/leave sounds
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KevinMarks
3 people
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KevinMarks
and a black screen
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jden
now in chrome, muted
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barnabywalters
hopefully I am no longer a blank screen
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adambrault
yeah, it was a limitation of firefox at the time.
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barnabywalters
will be in intermittently, making pizza
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_6a68
this is underwhelming
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_6a68
i'll be back in a bit
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aaronpk
we're about to get started
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barnabywalters
greetings fellow remote participants! who is who?
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adambrault
we have some really great engineers currently working on taking talky.io, otalk.im, and simplewebrtc up a notch
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barnabywalters
I am the long-haired teenager in the blank room
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iboxifoo
hey folks
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barnabywalters
adambrault: oh great, that’s good to know
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adambrault
jden good to see you in here. :)
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michielbdejong
now see two people and the black screen. i'm the person who looks like it's midnight here that's because i'm in India, and it really is midnight here :)
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_6a68
hey guys! i just rejoined
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_6a68
i've got a lot of hair and a painting behind me :-)
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barnabywalters
michielbdejong: that would explain it!
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iboxifoo
i'm running late. will be there in 20 mins or so
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barnabywalters
talky.io could really benefit from a way to name your window
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jden
adambrault: o/
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_6a68
it would also be nice to have a "ready to connect your webcam?" warning
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_6a68
aaronpk it'd be nice if the video output were connected to the webrtc stream
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_6a68
the call quality is surprisingly good :-)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: shows the the squarespace superbowl ad, with indiewebcamp logo instead of squarespace (twtr.io/irZxQmCfAf)
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jden
is there an etherpad or something to take notes / minutes?
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @caseorganic: how many of you had a website and had your data disappear? [all hands go up] (twtr.io/ir_5k3dRCY)
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@Johannes_Ernst
At #IndieWebCamp San Francisco today. Great venue! http://upon2020.com/banter/?p=119 (twtr.io/ir_8GXaX7j)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @caseorganic: the difference between having your data disappear and being able to get it off is unknown and arbitrary (twtr.io/ir_8_G3Tdh)
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bear
waves to adambrault
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michielbdejong
barnabywalters: bon appetit! :)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @caseorganic: for example, AOL homesites, which was full of small personal sites, gave 2 weeks notice and didn't email anyone (twtr.io/ir_C5SfQAf)
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barnabywalters
michielbdejong: thanks!
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barnabywalters
it’s yesterday’s sourdough pizza
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bear
is there a remote option for today?
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@theurv
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @caseorganic: how many of you had a website and had your data disappear? [all hands go up] (twtr.io/ir_FRwnCmw)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @caseorganic: once all these sites went away, people then noticed and freaked out. AOL closed comments (twtr.io/ir_HWjRe7j)
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barnabywalters
bear: https://talky.io/indiewebcampsf
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adambrault
well, hi, bear :)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @caseorganic: most of you made your own website and learned to play around with HTML then, but around 2003 this stopped (twtr.io/ir_QCp78sG)
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bear
adambrault - did not realize you were going to this today :)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @caseorganic: social networks melded the experience of subscription to people with the posting interface, but within a silo (twtr.io/ir_WqNbC9b)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @caseorganic: what we're here for is to take back the web as it was, where we own our own data and connect to each other (twtr.io/ir_Z5ESQCo)
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_6a68
meeting, be back later :-)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: a lot of us were at the Federated Social Web summit in 2010, big split between building and handwaving (twtr.io/ir_cKqdK1M)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: aaron and I wanted to focus on the people who built and created stuff, not the handwaving ratholes (twtr.io/ir_fkgApJw)
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bear
oh yea, I remember that whole auth discussion about webfinger and salmon and activity streams
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: the rathole I remember was webfinger integrated with Salmon slaps on a whiteboard for 2 hours without building it (twtr.io/ir_jKCu9Vb)
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barnabywalters
tantek’s turned into an experimental musical instrument!
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Loqi
[@dangillmor] At #indiewebcamp in San Francisco
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Loqi
where people are working to restore/save/enhance the open Internet (http://twtr.io/ir_kgYCm0Y)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: we came up with indieweb for creators only, and on your own website (twtr.io/ir_kpiVRL2)
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caseorganic
tantek: "if you're not actually living what you're creating - why should anyone else?"
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: we formalised this as "self-dogfooding" - if you're not using the code or protocol on your own site, why would anyone else? (twtr.io/ir_pfGvZgL)
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Loqi
[@kevinmarks] #indieweb @t: we started in portland in 2011
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Loqi
last year we had Brighton too, now SF, plans for Brighton, Barcelona and Paris (http://twtr.io/ir_ttbRU28)
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caseorganic
remote participants: can you hear properly?
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Loqi
[@kevinmarks] #indieweb @aaronpk: the first day is demos and unconference
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Loqi
the second day is for building things (http://twtr.io/ir_wE3Ygt4)
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michielbdejong
caseorganic: no
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barnabywalters
caseorganic: people mutate into synths every now and again but other than that I can hear fine
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caseorganic
who are the three remote participants? can you intro yourselves here in the channel?
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caseorganic
barnabywalters: bear: and ...?
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jden
I'm http://jden.us and I'm poking myself in the head
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barnabywalters
michielbdejong is the person in the dark
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barnabywalters
hi jden!
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KevinMarks
crap, just hit refresh instead of tab and wiped my notes page
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michielbdejong
ok, reconnected and now i can hear
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barnabywalters
KevinMarks: sounds like a good pain point to fix this weekend ;)
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KevinMarks
yeah
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barnabywalters
ooh I love demos
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: if you're not on irc yet it's #indiewebcamp on http://t.co/927iewVRVS, instructions at http://indiewebcamp.com/IRC (twtr.io/iraBgXrjCp)
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Loqi
[@autiomaa] RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: we started in portland in 2011
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Loqi
last year we had Brighton too, now SF, plans for Brighton, Barcelona and Paris (http://twtr.io/iraC0CbPfo)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: demo what you have made so far (twtr.io/iraDw7Wqf0)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: one thing I got working since last indiewebcamp is a somewhat responsive design on my homepage http://tantek.com (twtr.io/iraGALWjcL)
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@BarnabyWalters
#indiewebcamp SF has kicked off! Drop into the live stream: https://talky.io/indiewebcampsf or just… http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4UwJbV/ (twtr.io/iraLESaj_8)
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caseorganic
jden: awesome! nice to see you!
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: the other thing I changed is the favicon to an icon so it puts your face on your homescreen http://indiewebcamp.com/icon (twtr.io/iraRBM3aYG)
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@autiomaa
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @caseorganic: how many of you had a website and had your data disappear? [all hands go up] (twtr.io/iraa141dzC)
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bear
can someone post links they are demoing into IRC ?
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @caseorganic: let me show you haw you auth to your own site using your own site delegating via indieauth (twtr.io/irab5m1Stt)
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barnabywalters
http://caseorganic.com/
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barnabywalters
http://indieauth.com/
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barnabywalters
http://indiewebcamp.com/indieauth
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @caseorganic: I just logged in using my domain name, redirecting via github (twtr.io/irafXsChsq)
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@autiomaa
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @caseorganic: what we're here for is to take back the web as it was, where we own our own data and connect to eac… (twtr.io/iramP0W0p5)
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barnabywalters
http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE
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barnabywalters
http://indiewebcamp.com/PESOS
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jden
apologies for weird motions on cam- i'm also meatspacing :)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @caseorganic: I am posting on my own site, and syndicating it out to twitter - this is called POSSE http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (twtr.io/iraq3f3y4o)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @schnarfed: people used to discuss in blog comments, but now they do it where they see it. brid.gy propogates these back (twtr.io/irb1_HaEVL)
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travisfw
bridge.gy
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KevinMarks
brid.gy
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@t
@caseorganic is doing an awesome demonstration of POSSE @indiewebcamp SF! (ttk.me t4Uw1) (twtr.io/irb5EtanC1)
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barnabywalters
http://indiewebcamp.com/comments
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @caseorganic: barnaby responded directly from his site, from iceland and this shows up here (twtr.io/irb74t983D)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @caseorganic: now all the comments on other sites come back to your site (twtr.io/irbAkkz85L)
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@autiomaa
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @caseorganic: I am posting on my own site, and syndicating it out to twitter - this is called POSSE http://t.co/H… (twtr.io/irbCFBXQDt)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: these ideas are all based on webmentions - brid.gy is sending webmentions for twitter and facebook (twtr.io/irbCpfqaJQ)
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barnabywalters
github also closes issues in real-time
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bear
github does that also
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barnabywalters
it can be a bit flaky, but it usually works
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: aaron has implemented this in p3k, and the only other site that does this is facebook [also friendfeed] (twtr.io/irbKdRDW1c)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: you can't get the live comment updates on twitter - we're out innovating the twitter silos (twtr.io/irbMyb9qnU)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @dangillmor: with a third party client like hootsuite, I can see replies (twtr.io/irbPzmboH4)
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ike.io
edited /2014/Guest_List (+346) "/* Creators */ Isaac Lewis added himself" (view diff)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: You don't see that on an individual post on twitter, but we have this working (twtr.io/irbSjYfnMb)
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@scottros
Excited to spend the day at IndieWebCamp #indieweb with bunch of great developers/creators (twtr.io/irbTBjQoCo)
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@kevinmarks
@caseorganic wait, I'm using the #indieweb hashtag not #indiewebsf (twtr.io/irbUq127vj)
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@autiomaa
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @schnarfed: people used to discuss in blog comments, but now they do it where they see it. brid.gy propogates the… (twtr.io/irbY6hiRN8)
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Loqi
[@kevinmarks] #indieweb @caseorganic: in order to work on a wiki you have to improve the content that is there
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Loqi
this is like that (http://twtr.io/irbYjjLvFC)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @caseorganic: there are some things that haven't been fully solved - private notes are harder than public (twtr.io/irbbLg3SS8)
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ike.io
edited /2014/Guest_List (-346) "/* Creators */ Isaac Lewis remembered that he's not in Portland that week, moving to remote" (view diff)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: I want to have a discussion about private messaging as that build on indieauth (twtr.io/irbctBhpjY)
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ike.io
edited /2014/Guest_List (+346) "/* Remote Participants */ Isaac Lewis is remote now. :(" (view diff)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: I keep being asked "how can you compete with facebook with thousands of devs?" the answer is, we are (twtr.io/irbgoEQpVb)
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@hybridjesus
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @caseorganic: I am posting on my own site, and syndicating it out to twitter - this is called POSSE http://t.co/H… (twtr.io/irbjBvhzgs)
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michielbdejong
@aaronpk: i have private messaging implemented on https://michielbdejong.com/
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: "do you really expect everyone to have their own domain?" - we used to ask this about cellphones and email addresses (twtr.io/irbkTD0TE8)
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@_jden
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: "do you really expect everyone to have their own domain?" - we used to ask this about cellphones and email ad… (twtr.io/irbmj1Xvwo)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: when you buy a cell number you are renting it, and domain names are the same - you can move from host to host (twtr.io/irbngk64aC)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: you used to ask "why would everyone have their own computer?" now it's "why only one? Why not in your pocket?" (twtr.io/irbrjDm8Rb)
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barnabywalters
er, can you get p3k?
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: we're at the 1970s Apple I stage - you have to build it yourself but you can get the kit (twtr.io/irbtu2MWf0)
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bear.im
edited /2014/Guest_List (+301) "/* Remote Participants */" (view diff)
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@myleejoseph
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: you used to ask "why would everyone have their own computer?" now it's "why only one? Why not in your pocket?" (twtr.io/irbx63Pihw)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @caseorganic: social silos are like that greek myth where once you eat from the table you are there forever eating at the table (twtr.io/irbyJM5vC0)
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barnabywalters
people “use” mail, but they don’t hack on it
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barnabywalters
that’s an important distinction
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bear
mail/smtp is a consumer tool now - not a creator/builder tool
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: mail has been largely abandoned by the hacker community - it's too hard to maintain a mailserver (twtr.io/irc5VzcqWQ)
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barnabywalters
bear: so the question is, can we have something which is both?
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Loqi
[@jf] RT @dangillmor: At #indiewebcamp in San Francisco
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Loqi
where people are working to restore/save/enhance the open Internet (http://twtr.io/irc7QkEwmw)
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@autiomaa
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: you used to ask "why would everyone have their own computer?" now it's "why only one? Why not in your pocket?" (twtr.io/irc7hCtDTU)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: the main idea is that it your own domain so you can move the thing behind it , (twtr.io/irc7xkG_uw)
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bear
barnabywalters yea, we need to move micro messaging into the builder tool and make it easy - ala XMPP that is easy to install and use
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jden
devil's advocate: why do we trust IANA or local registries more than another domain?
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @dangillmor: I'm teaching a class, and one requirement is that they get their own domain. (twtr.io/ircA9LeyS8)
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barnabywalters
personal computers before mobile devices and unibody laptops were largely both consumer deceives and hackable devices
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tantek
jden, devil's advocates never ship. ;)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @caseorganic: I was trying to explain this to someone, and the stages that you go through are hard (twtr.io/ircD9opuuw)
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bear
the work we are doing at &yet will help bring xmpp to web hackers
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jden
tantek: w/e. it's a worthwhile FAQ
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@tobypinder
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: you used to ask "why would everyone have their own computer?" now it's "why only one? Why not in your pocket?" (twtr.io/ircFrugtmf)
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tantek
jden not if it's not practical
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tantek
jden hypotheticals tend to be dilutionary
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @dangillmor: I'm working on a new book which will include a chapter about this - say if you're on background (twtr.io/ircJix1PGG)
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jden
it's practical in terms of articulating why having a domain is worthwhile as opposed to just using a twitter id as your main identity
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: what if I want to post from my phone, but don't have responsive UI? (twtr.io/ircPH7p0wY)
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tantek
jden, that's what /why answers
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: we should be able to post to our domains from each others' apps (twtr.io/ircRbJZggL)
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bear
I have a vision of the indieweb hacker community being just like the early days of *nix - people create small tools that can be chained together by other folks to make an ecosystem
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tantek
bear - except that we're UX focused.
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tantek
big difference
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bear
some of you are UX focused
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bear
i'm definitely not :)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: my demo is http://ownyourgram.com to see how to PESOS from instagram, as they don't have a posting API (twtr.io/ircWY70EHb)
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jden
afk
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@schnarfed
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @schnarfed: people used to discuss in blog comments, but now they do it where they see it. brid.gy propogates the… (twtr.io/ircXnUnjvU)
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barnabywalters
I completely think that the experience of using small tools chained together can be better than nasty monolithic apps by removing all the stupid problems they cause like having to import/export files between different types, etc.
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bear
barnabywalters++
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Loqi
barnabywalters has 28 karma
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caseorganic
KevinMarks: island of the Lotus Eaters: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotus-eaters
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michielbdejong
barnabywalters: i think expert users prefer smaller building blocks than non-techies
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: this site is requesting posting rights via OAuth, but authorization is separate from the token (twtr.io/ircfsu6SR4)
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@Freerange_Inc
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: "do you really expect everyone to have their own domain?" - we used to ask this about cellphones and email ad… (twtr.io/ircgwcCBE8)
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@tomwiththeweath
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @dangillmor: I'm teaching a class, and one requirement is that they get their own domain. (twtr.io/irchLP6HEf)
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caseorganic
KevinMarks: "They started at once, and went about among the Lotus-eaters, who did them no hurt, but gave them to eat of the lotus, which was so delicious that those who ate of it left off caring about home, and did not even want to go back and say what had happened to them, but were for staying and munching lotus with the Lotus-eaters without thinking further of their return" - Odyssey IX
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: please don't all stomp on http://ownyourgram.com/ at once, it's still experimental (twtr.io/irciiDqP0G)
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KevinMarks
aha!
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tantek.com
edited /2013/UK (+53) "/* Followup */ notes archived" (view diff)
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caseorganic
KevinMarks: Odyssey was one of my favorite books when I was little. So many good analogies in there
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: with IndieAuth, your domain name is your identity (twtr.io/ircpPaAmts)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: indieauth is like an email address but without the bit before the @ (twtr.io/ircr93CUij)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: there are many ways you can show that you have editing control over your page - you can link back forth to twitter, G (twtr.io/ircv7UpVb1)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: anything that has html and OAuth can be made to work. Facebook does this wrong by hiding the HTML in comments (twtr.io/irczUZfhjG)
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barnabywalters
got to go, have a great time everyone! will be back tomorrow
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: I have implemented SMS and email auth as well as OAUth. I want to get fax working but I don't have a fax machine (twtr.io/ird3tZDmEQ)
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@dangillmor
comprehensive note-taking of #indiewebcamp by @kevinmarks, if you're interested.... (twtr.io/ird5u0dEKm)
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michielbdejong
oh, the sound quality just got a lot better now that there are only two remote lurkers instead of three
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: indieauth is sending me an SMS with a 4 digit code (twtr.io/ird7WmdL9d)
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@silverton
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @aaronpk: we should be able to post to our domains from each others' apps (twtr.io/ird7YEf9xL)
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@markmadsen
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @caseorganic: social silos are like that greek myth where once you eat from the table you are there forever eatin… (twtr.io/ird8EiFcJw)
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@silverton
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @aaronpk: with IndieAuth, your domain name is your identity (twtr.io/ird8mCzd1c)
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michielbdejong
KartikPrabhu: https://talky.io/indiewebcampsf
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: I was considering letting the indieauth page be asked for 2 factors and make the user click 2 (twtr.io/irdF3KuDYo)
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tantek
I'm taking notes here too: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: https://indieauth.com/ is one authorization sever - there can be many of these - it's not required to be centralised (twtr.io/irdJhujZvD)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @scottjenson: I've been experimenting with bluetooth LE chips that broadcast URLs that you can click on from your devices (twtr.io/irdV2_rEh9)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @scottjenson: I'm intentionally making it very visible now, we can make it more discreet (twtr.io/irdYLNY1Go)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @scottjenson: eventually we can put these on zipcars, bikes, museum exhibits easily (twtr.io/ird_mFZ9UY)
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bear
what is the IoT url he mentioned?
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caseorganic
scottjenson: could you put the public URLs for those Bluetooth LE chips into the channel?
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @scottjenson: once we have bluetooth beaconing on your phones, we can broadcast our indieweb page URLs from our phones (twtr.io/irdbpmTjzj)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @scottjenson: it's a bit like an invisible QR code that doesn't need cameras (twtr.io/irdi7ko5L0)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @caseorganic: I was wondering about making a messageboard you can access when you are in the area of The Embassy [ping @xeeliz] (twtr.io/irdo9ZoCSf)
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bear
scottjenson - can you paste the URLs you mentioned here?
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @schnarfed: with twitter comments, I extract their real URL instead of twitter links (twtr.io/ire49SBZc4)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @schnarfed: look at the comments on https://snarfed.org/2014-03-01_indiewebcamp-sf-next-weekend and twitter accounts will have real URLs (twtr.io/ire6co55CY)
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caseorganic
re snarfed: "the user visible interface should be your website"
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @schnarfed: I'm OK with twitter run things behind the scenes - but we can prefer URLs to twitter handles (twtr.io/ireA36aFZP)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @schnarfed: the silos do a lot of hard stuff doing massively distributed scalable stuff. we can use them for that (twtr.io/ireCob1EoY)
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caseorganic
twitter was *supposed* to be a platform as a service. i felt like that especially for the internet of things, as anything could be given a feed through twitter (botanicalls, arduino attached to twitter posting to twitter when your plant needed water) twitter initially allowed things to have a voicew
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caseorganic
voice*
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scottjenson
sorry, the urls are just dummy web pages that point to internal google pages, nothing really worth looking at
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bear
scottjenson - ah, ok
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@OhhSocialMedia
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @schnarfed: with twitter comments, I extract their real URL instead of twitter links (twtr.io/ireHpG3TMc)
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@OhhSocialMedia
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @schnarfed: look at the comments on https://snarfed.org/2014-03-01_indiewebcamp-sf-next-weekend and twitter accounts will have real URLs (twtr.io/ireJ39jS1b)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: when Tim BL designed http, URLs and HTML he didn't make them only work with each other, they interoperated with existing tech (twtr.io/ireJV0GNBC)
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caseorganic
bear: jenson.org/iot/1
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caseorganic
bear: jenson.org/iot/3
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/caseorganic/441751030535966720/6092342 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: it makes a nice slogan "damn the man, fight the silos" but they are handy as plumbing (twtr.io/ireMKZvMxM)
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caseorganic
"using the silos to bootstrap the indieweb makes a lot of sense -tantek
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @willnorris: this is something I needed for my site which runs on wordpress. I have a love/hate relationship with jetpack (twtr.io/ireRYZMBxt)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @willnorris: I like jetpacks Photon API that does image mirroring and crawling, but only works with their plugin (twtr.io/ireVe_BxWf)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @willnorris: so I made my own version of the Photon image API with things that work better for me - mine is all https (twtr.io/ireYwnF2Kj)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @willnorris: they don't support https properly, and use URL query params for resizing which don't cache well, so I made it paths (twtr.io/irebSqsTXD)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @willnorris: it lets me resize and flip images and cache the URLs well on my own domain (twtr.io/ireg46eiD4)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @willnorris: it was reading @doctorow's Littel Brother that got me to use https for everything (twtr.io/irei1zghbo)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @willnorris: Amazon announced that CloudFront CDN supports SNI so you can do https broadly for free (twtr.io/iremDTRhKj)
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@FinsUpDNC
When you are the only one tweeting an event, and the only user using a hashtag...stop @kevinmarks #indieweb (twtr.io/ireoHidk7C)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @schnarfed: I did the all SSL thing a few months ago, and it takes a few hours but is worth it (twtr.io/ireoY5oQPU)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: I work on a thing that is box you plug into your network at home except it runs a webserver in your house (twtr.io/ireutmqDFj)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: I have bunch of apps running on my server in the house - own wordpress, our own calendar, not google calendar (twtr.io/ireyG2V7V5)
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@Alheri
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: when Tim BL designed http, URLs and HTML he didn't make them only work with each other, they interoperated wi… (twtr.io/ireyvEz428)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: when we're not running on a cloud server, people put the truth in their calendars (twtr.io/irf05_Cacb)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: indiebox provisions databases, configs firewalls it's just one command to install (twtr.io/irf26Yg8QZ)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: I want to start a kickstarter project that will deliver 1000 indieboxes that get automated update (twtr.io/irf4Tdxybo)
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@wavis
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: when we're not running on a cloud server, people put the truth in their calendars (twtr.io/irfARdZggL)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: i've been running this at home since christmas, haven't lost any data yet. In the longer term I'll add an apps (twtr.io/irfCGMWzuf)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: I want to add a way fro people with indieboxes to install your apps too (twtr.io/irfDftBV8G)
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@AlexSchleber
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: I work on a thing that is box you plug into your network at home except it runs a webserver in y… (twtr.io/irfFn7pibY)
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@AlexSchleber
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @willnorris: it was reading @doctorow's Little Brother that got me to use https for everything (twtr.io/irfRYFjGmw)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: i finally got a guy from comcast legal, and he said I can do any webserving as long as it is not commercial (twtr.io/irfTbgeqy9)
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@aaronpk
IndieWebCamp SF introductions at the Embassy! http://aaronparecki.com/uploads/indiewebcamp-sf-20140307-113211.png #indieweb (http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/03/07/1/indieweb) (twtr.io/irfVB4aUCo)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: one thing I want to do is VPN, and thus we can then talk to each other over indiebox (twtr.io/irfWfWoLLG)
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caseorganic
aaronpk++ for photo
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: one of the scars I carry form OpenID is that we could never get people to upgrade their code at once (twtr.io/irfZJdUeKV)
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Loqi
aaronpk has 387 karma
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@aaronpk
@FinsUpDNC Join us in the #indiewebcamp IRC channel on freenode. Tweets and other chatter are livestreaming there! (http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/03/07/1/indiewebcamp) (twtr.io/irfaRLwkN8)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @schnarfed: companies don't write ToS and follow to the letter, they use them as an enforcement mechanism (twtr.io/irfaipRTfo)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @schnarfed: most of the things we want to do the isp's don't care about so we have to establish norms now (twtr.io/irfdn7pLrD)
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@FinsUpDNC
RT @aaronpk: @FinsUpDNC Join us in the #indiewebcamp IRC channel on freenode. Tweets and other chatter are livestreaming there! (http://t.c… (twtr.io/irfe1T4Juw)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: in a few years it will be chromecast sized devices that do this (twtr.io/irfgwiFCrC)
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michielbdejong
could IndieBox run on a (rooted) off-the-shelf android device?
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@doctorow
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @willnorris: it was reading @doctorow's Littel Brother that got me to use https for everything (twtr.io/irfoAYRSKj)
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@JaspersBoy
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @willnorris: it was reading @doctorow's Littel Brother that got me to use https for everything (twtr.io/irfqrrg7L_)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kevinmarks: demoing http://noterlive.com for the gang (twtr.io/irfr0Lks00)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: micropub is the inverse of microformats - instead of consuming the data on the page, you can use an app to create a post (twtr.io/irgA2rR92w)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: micropub is s replacement for atompub and the metaweblog API, but much simpler http://indiewebcamp.com/micropub (twtr.io/irgEVYEDc4)
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@Johannes_Ernst
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: when we're not running on a cloud server, people put the truth in their calendars (twtr.io/irgHkY6v_Q)
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moonmayor
adambrault
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @adambrault: one of the things we've being working on is meshing web with xmpp (twtr.io/irgMP1jLuS)
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@Johannes_Ernst
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: one of the scars I carry form OpenID is that we could never get people to upgrade their code at … (twtr.io/irgNJgc20Z)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @adambrault: stanza.io is a simple JSON api for working with XMPP in the browser and with jingle for Web RTC (twtr.io/irgRFFW5SQ)
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@AlexSchleber
RT @dangillmor: comprehensive note-taking of #indiewebcamp by @kevinmarks, if you're interested.... (twtr.io/irgRKw3mh8)
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caseorganic
talky.io
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bear
yea, sorry @adambrault - otalk.im auth is broken hard and I can't get it back running
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @adambrault: we have a few tools, for example talky.io lets you do a videoconference over WebRTC (twtr.io/irgUdkuXtc)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @adambrault: we also have http:/// which makes it easy to add your WebRTC to your page (twtr.io/irgWZ6Jrwo)
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@AlexSchleber
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @aaronpk: with IndieAuth, your domain name is your identity (twtr.io/irgWbBifeU)
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@delfinof
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @adambrault: stanza.io is a simple JSON api for working with XMPP in the browser and with jingle for Web RTC (twtr.io/irgXEXpfUq)
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@AlexSchleber
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: indieauth is like an email address but without the bit before the @ (twtr.io/irgXWBcvLZ)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @adambrault: what we want to do is make it possible to run chat and videochat from your own domain (twtr.io/irgYevbfp4)
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@AlexSchleber
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @aaronpk: there are many ways you can show that you have editing control over your page - you can link back forth… (twtr.io/irgYvZUSJf)
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@indieboxproject
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: when we're not running on a cloud server, people put the truth in their calendars (twtr.io/irgaXyDnJR)
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@hybridjesus
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: micropub is s replacement for atompub and the metaweblog API, but much simpler http://indiewebcamp.com/micropub (twtr.io/irgao7DJDL)
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bear
caseorganic - send my apologies - otalk auth is dead and I am suffering from demo gremlins :)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @adambrault: otalk.im lets you sign in with jabber and build a chat http:///andyet/otalk (twtr.io/irgcMVeWVN)
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michielbdejong
i want a "Call me!" button on my site, that is active when i'm online
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @adambrault: you can make these calls now on android because they have WebRTC, but we have to make tools for iOS 'cos they don't (twtr.io/irgf_1nh0Y)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @adambrault: it's a lot of work in progress, but we have a lot of usable tools for hacking on now (twtr.io/irgi3wtadf)
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caseorganic
michielbdejong: Yes! aaronpk and I discussed doing this, as well as routing to your preferred method of contact based on what you were doing. driving, biking, walking, etc. an answering machine or response that would come back and say "aaronpk is driving right now and will get in touch with you in a moment"
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@AlexSchleber
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: it makes a nice slogan "damn the man, fight the silos" but they are handy as plumbing (twtr.io/irguasNw8Y)
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@AlexSchleber
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @schnarfed: the silos do a lot of hard stuff doing massively distributed scalable stuff. we can use them for that (twtr.io/irgv61pQQY)
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michielbdejong
yeah, it can automatically detect if i have a browser window open, logged in as myself, and then it would be like receiving a call through skype. i'll have a look at simplewebrtc, definitely!
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michielbdejong
and when i close my laptop it could revert to an answer phone, etc, definitely
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caseorganic
michielbdejong: perfect
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caseorganic
michielbdejong: have you made that into a wiki page? it would be a great one
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michielbdejong
i'll try to build it first! maybe a nice thing for me to work on today/tonight
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: I want to do a session on indiecoms - how we contact each other without getting lost in tools (twtr.io/irhC5f6xGo)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @caseorganic: I want to make a comic to explain indieweb to people and get them started (twtr.io/irhEuCQ2R4)
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michielbdejong
+1
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michielbdejong
"from 10 to 1 billion"
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: I want to do a conversation "from 10 to 10 billion" - how we change the whole web to be indie (twtr.io/irhQq8qVu8)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: I want to do a talk on apps for the indieweb - how micropub can be a basis for apps (twtr.io/irhZzcp3vj)
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bear
ACL levels for indieauth? oh please count me in for that
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @scottjenson: I'd like to have a wordpress therapy session- I'm fighting it constantly. I'm hoping to get tips (twtr.io/irhstaBNjG)
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caseorganic
bear: ok! bug aaronpk and he will open up a talky.io channel to you for that session
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bear
can they post the board (or a good photo) to the wiki
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: I've been running into a problem with non-cash payments - google wallet, paypal, square - how do we do this easily 'pay' verb (twtr.io/iri3GLRE5s)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: no-one has yet asked me to pay by bitcoin or even dogecoin (twtr.io/iri6CoSop4)
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michielbdejong
ok :)
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@autiomaa
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @adambrault: stanza.io is a simple JSON api for working with XMPP in the browser and with jingle for Web RTC (twtr.io/iriJp89td9)
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michielbdejong
bear where do you want the webcam to go?
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scottjenson
https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-start
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caseorganic
^^^ etherpad for #start session
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@kevinmarks
Notes from #indiewebcampsf Demos and intros are up at http://www.kevinmarks.com/indiewebcampsfdemos.html #indieweb #indiewebcamp (twtr.io/irir3JxWTE)
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bear
michielbdejong I actually need to break for lunch right now - so where it is is fine
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michielbdejong
i would like to see the 'comms' session if possible
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bear
michielbdejong +1 to move it to comms
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michielbdejong
ah ok, thx!
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bear
i'll be back in like 40 minutes
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@gcarothers
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @caseorganic: I want to make a comic to explain indieweb to people and get them started (twtr.io/irj5aHiJKj)
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@OhhSocialMedia
RT @kevinmarks: Notes from #indiewebcampsf Demos and intros are up at http://www.kevinmarks.com/indiewebcampsfdemos.html #indieweb #indiewebcamp (twtr.io/irj7fU0xAR)
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caseorganic
if you're in the #start session add to the etherpad! https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-start
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tantek
adambrault - please add yourself! http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF/Guest_List :)
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adambrault
working on it! mistakenly thought that logging in added me to the guest list. :)
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tantek
non-SF folks: indiecomms etherpad: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-indiecomms
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adambrault.com
edited /2014/SF/Guest_List (+158) "/* Creators */" (view diff)
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aaronpk
yay!
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Loqi
woot
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@top_webtech
Top popular tags webtech: 1^ #SXSW 2^ #indieweb 3^ #SxSWi 4^ #Tech 5^ #iwd2014 http://webtech.twirus.com (twtr.io/irjvFzpvqQ)
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@kevinmarks
#indiecomms @t: I keep the to-do list for my site code Falcon on http://indiewebcamp.com/falcon so it's public domain (twtr.io/irjwvcMsML)
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adambrault.com
edited /2014/SF/Guest_List (+90) "/* Creators */" (view diff)
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michielbdejong
tantek: is the webcam still working? i lost the signal
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aaronpk
it's up, maybe it froze?
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michielbdejong
hm
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michielbdejong
i'll try restarting
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aaronpk
i just restarted it here too and switched over to the other network since we're on the other side of the house
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@kevinmarks
#indiecomms @t: I might want to be contacted by random people on AIM, but if you indieauth in, it will show you more options (twtr.io/irmHSd4_Lo)
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@kevinmarks
#indiecomms @schnarfed: the way we do ACLs now is someone else logs in with indieauth, which is a huge ask (twtr.io/irmMi7YkHs)
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adambrault
github.com/andyet/signalmaster
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adambrault
this is the signaling server that talky.io uses
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adambrault
this is *not* server to server federation, however.
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aaronpk
adambrault: is that possible to do over just HTTP, or is the bidirectional communication of socket.io important?
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adambrault
the websocket bit is necessary, yes.
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adambrault
(afaik)
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michielbdejong
afaik the visitor could talk http to your server if they are the call initiator.
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michielbdejong
but if you're waiting available to receive calls then you either need to have a WebSocket open, or be longpolling your server
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tantek
hi I'm here in IRC
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aaronpk
wiki is coming back... sorry guys
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KevinMarks
irc://irc.freenode.net/tantek,isnick
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aaronpk
wiki is back
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michielbdejong
!tell adambrault how can i tell simplewebrtc.js to use my signalmaster instance?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@_pablo
IndieAuth - Sign in with your domain name https://indieauth.com/ (twtr.io/irqkzA9pWf)
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michielbdejong
!tell adambrault ok, found the 'url' config option. https://michielbdejong.com/simplewebrtc.html now only warns that :8888 runs http instead of https
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michielbdejong
can signalmaster be made to run https?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@aallan
Interesting one, a “physical website” via #ble, http://instagram.com/p/lQMhn2JN8S/ from @scottjenson (via @ambercase). #indiewebcamp (twtr.io/irr1G3rn3U)
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michielbdejong
caseorganic: implemented a draft version of the 'Call me' button we talked about earlier. it defaults to 'Leave a message', but becomes 'Start video call' if exactly 1 person is connected to https://michielbdejong.com/simplewebrtc.html
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michielbdejong
unfortunately it currently only works in chrome (and there it has a warning), because of mixed http/https content policy
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michielbdejong
and i still have to set up a special password which only i have, so that only i can be the first person to enter the room
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michielbdejong
working on that now
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michielbdejong
you can see it on https://michielbdejong.com/ - please excuse the clunky css :)
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp lunch (@ Alamo Square) http:///login?continue=%2Fkevinmarks%2Fcheckin%2F531a41b9498e779c4727d543 (twtr.io/irtksKio3D)
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michielbdejong
ok, going to get some sleep, it's 3:30am here :) see you guys tomorrow!
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bear
!tell michielbdejong the signalmaster devs are telling me that it should be able to run under https
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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scottjenson
Everyone still at lunch in the park. Starting back in ~30
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@iboxifoo
Lunch #indieweb #indiewebcamp @ Alamo Square http://instagram.com/p/lQhbbZj7CQ/ (twtr.io/irwBuSvstL)
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caseorganic
indiewebcamp comic session about to start: take notes here! https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-comic
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benwerd
(organizers: confirming Palmyra lunch delivered tomorrow via Zesty UNLESS someone pings me to tell me no)
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aaronpk
benwerd: yes great!
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benwerd
+1
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aaronpk
we put lunch at 12pm on the schedule for tomorrow, but any time between 12-1 is fine
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benwerd
ok - it might be closer to 1 but I'll try and drive them down to 12
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aaronpk
no worries, tomorrow is more flexible since there aren't scheduled backtoback sessions
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bear
if people are interested in exploring otalk.im contact me for the demo user identity
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bear
I don't want to post it to IRC as it is logged
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caseorganic
https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-comic
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benwerd
re: breakfast, I may need to send someone money, because getting that delivered turns out to be harder
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benwerd
15 people sound right?
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aaronpk
i think it's more like 20 now actually
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benwerd
ok
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benwerd
will order for 20
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aaronparecki.com
edited /2014/SF_Schedule (+761) "add links to etherpad docs" (view diff)
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp (@ The Embassy Network) https://foursquare.com/kevinmarks/checkin/531a51f5498eb2b09e72c8f0?s=tNmRprIpPmILc6M4wqQeB7bYru0&ref=tw (twtr.io/irzzr0pXaU)
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@kevinmarks
#indiecomic @caseorganic: there aren't many blogs that accept webmention yet. we need to have more of that (twtr.io/is0VQGz8ij)
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@fdevillamil
RT @kevinmarks: #indiecomic @caseorganic: there aren't many blogs that accept webmention yet. we need to have more of that (twtr.io/is0i3tuK5c)
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KevinMarks_
@caseorganic: http://imgur.com/eWjDz
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dariusdunlap
How to make Wordpress use SSL: http://codex.wordpress.org/Administration_Over_SSL
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bear
can someone refresh the talky.io laptop
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aaronparecki.com
edited /2014/SF_Schedule (+62) "/* Friday, March 7, 2014 */" (view diff)
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aaronpk
yup
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bear
thank you sir
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aaronpk
https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-indiepriv
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willnorris.com
edited /2014/SF_Schedule (+0) (view diff)
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@kevinmarks
#indiesilos @schnarfed: brid,gy will talk indieweb stuff - if you markup your post with microformats as a like, it can post back to FB (twtr.io/is34bf5Xej)
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@kevinmarks
#indiesilos @schnarfed: the 2 things are microformats to mark up your content for structure and webmention to tell another site about it (twtr.io/is3BAD72ts)
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aaronpk
pauloppenheim: http://aaronparecki.com/messages/2014/03/07/1/
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@kevinmarks
#indiesilos @schnarfed: securing login is fundamentally hard - the great idea of IndieAuth is to use the big companies' hard work for that (twtr.io/is3mWp4aqQ)
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aaronpk
here is the private message: http://aaronparecki.com/uploads/pm-example-20140307-155310.png
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aaronpk
here is the source I wrote: http://aaronparecki.com/uploads/pm-example-source-20140307-155357.png
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dariusdunlap
Barnaby's toolbelt: https://github.com/barnabywalters/web-action-hero-toolbelt
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dariusdunlap
Amazing what this does... still trying to wrap my head around it...
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dariusdunlap
Ooh! He has a video demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OAfvuKCsEk
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aaronpk
https://github.com/indieweb/indieauth-client-php
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gRegor`
Evening, everyone.
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acegiak
morning!
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gRegor`
:)
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gRegor`
[local time of day[, everyone.
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acegiak
http://thinkmoult.com/ugt.html
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acegiak
I use it by default for irc now
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gRegor`
I'm probably participating in my first hackathon next week at SXSW Music: http://sxsw.com/music/hackathon 1) Does anyone have any indieweb-related ideas? It's a stretch, but I figured I would ask for ideas. 2) Is anyone going to be there during Music (March 11-16)?
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acegiak
gRegor`: wracking my brains but I guess most of the things I want done I try and do myself
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gRegor`
I don't have any ideas yet, either, so I'll probably hook up with a team that has an interesting sounding idea.
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acegiak
barnabywalters: that web action toolbelt is so cool!
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barnabywalters
good evening #indiewebcamp!
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tantek
gRegor - whoa - #indiewebcamp people at SXSW!
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barnabywalters
acegiak: thanks!
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barnabywalters
!tell michielbdejong nice work on webrtc “call me” buttons — see also http://indiewebcamp.com/phone for previous brainstorming and experimentation!
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@kevinmarks
notes form more #indiewebcampsf sessions at http://www.kevinmarks.com/ #indieweb #indiewebcamp (twtr.io/is8CJApfq8)
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acegiak
does it make sense to put hmmm
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gRegor`
tantek: Yep. Wish I could be there for Interactive, too. Maybe next year.
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acegiak
I'm thinking I should start using a custom post type for my whispers rather than piggybacking on asides
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gRegor`
Whispers? Like a private message?
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acegiak
gRegor`: I'm using the term whispers for all cross site content at the moment, private and public
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bear
own your ??? what is the url for that ?
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barnabywalters
bear: context? what are you looking for?
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bear
the indieauth session - but I found it - ownyourgram.com
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@kyle_wm
@kyle_wm Testing to see if a webmention is sent over brid.gy (twtr.io/is9Fi03nGG)
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barnabywalters
yeah it’s a pity indie + stagram = instagram portmanteau is already taken
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acegiak
here's a question: does h-entry=>h-cite=>u-like work?
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acegiak
barnabywalters: in their defence "stagram" wouldn't be a thing without them
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barnabywalters
acegiak: I believe there were *stagrams before instagram
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barnabywalters
acegiak: RE mf question, what are you trying to mark up?
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aaronpk
indiegram?
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acegiak
aaronpk++
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Loqi
aaronpk has 388 karma
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barnabywalters
what is the h-cite in relation to the h-entry? a citation within the entry which is liking something, or a citation being liked by the h-entry?
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barnabywalters
h-entry > h-cite > u-like represents a URL that the h-cite is liking
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acegiak
yeah see that's the problem
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barnabywalters
(IIRC it should be u-like-of)
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acegiak
I agree
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acegiak
the problem is that when I h-cite something I have to link to it as the u-url of the h-cite
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caseorganic
tantek: https://twitter.com/jeffreyrbunch/status/377009306085773314
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@jeffreyrbunch
@caseorganic: It's an auto post from a service I use for client Twitter research. (twitter.com/_/status/377009306085773314)
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barnabywalters
acegiak: so is the h-cite the thing being liked by the parent h-entry?
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acegiak
and so if I want to also u-like that same thing that I'm citing do I create a separate <a> outside the h-cite?
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acegiak
barnabywalters: yeah
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barnabywalters
in that case treat it the same as you would a reply context
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caseorganic
todo recreate this photo: be prepared to do this after our group photo http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/3/7/1394213917630/Oscars-selfie-006.jpg
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barnabywalters
e.g. h-entry > .h-cite.u-in-reply-to
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/kyle_wm/441979884487704576/442100858717618176 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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barnabywalters
for a like it would be .h-entry > .h-cite.u-like-of
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acegiak
oh so it doesn't have to be on the <a>?
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barnabywalters
e.g. see how my replies are marked up http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwaterpigs.co.uk%2Fnotes%2F%3Ftagged%3Dreply
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caseorganic
Original photo: https://twitter.com/TheEllenShow/statuses/440322224407314432
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@TheEllenShow
If only Bradley's arm was longer. Best photo ever. #oscars https://twitter.com/TheEllenShow/status/440322224407314432/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/440322224407314432)
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barnabywalters
acegiak: IMO consumers should accept either a plain URL or a h-cite as the value of in-reply-to, like-of properties
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb [I'm not noting the auth session because this requires complex debate] (twtr.io/is9sgnTv9t)
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/kyle_wm/441979884487704576/2788841 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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barnabywalters
as there are strong reasons for including that information in the markup, as documented on http://indiewebcamp.com/in-reply-to
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acegiak
I suppose because then if you're looking at it you've got a u-like-of and the u-url is a property of the u-like-of
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barnabywalters
acegiak: exactly!
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acegiak
hmmm
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caseorganic
tantek: https://twitter.com/aaronpk/status/442020305637101568
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@aaronpk
IndieWebCamp SF introductions at the Embassy! http://aaronparecki.com/uploads/indiewebcamp-sf-20140307-113211.png #indieweb (http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/03/07/1/indieweb) (twitter.com/_/status/442020305637101568)
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caseorganic
tantek: ^^ picture posse to twitter from aaronpk
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acegiak
maybe when I reblog something but don't comment on it I should h-cite without in-reply-to
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acegiak
becasue there's no reply
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barnabywalters
acegiak: that sounds like a sensible strategy. there’s also u-repost-of for reblogs, which might be the most accurate semantic
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tantek.com
created /LinkedIn (+558) "stub with IndieAuth problem" (view diff)
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barnabywalters
and at least taproot and p3k consume it, and list reposts differently to replies
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acegiak
barnabywalters: yeah I think we were discussing the question of the difference between citing somethign and reposting it
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barnabywalters
think of replies as things which should show up in comment threads, whereas reposts, likes and mentions can either be displayed more compactly (as taproot does) or summarised above (as p2k does)
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acegiak
yeah
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barnabywalters
acegiak: interesting — that difference is certainly a hazy, yet-to-be explored edge
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barnabywalters
the question being, is a repost of something strong enough syndication semantics to warrant using h-entry rather than h-cite
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barnabywalters
TBH I doubt it really matters that much practically — for property-nested microformats it’s the property name they’re under which typically controls how they’re used rather than their type(s)
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acegiak
barnabywalters: I'm coming from an oddball angle in that my primary social network is tumblr so that's the kind of user-experience I'm used to
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barnabywalters
acegiak: it’d be great if you could expand on the things which make Tumblr reposts unique here: http://indiewebcamp.com/repost#Tumblr
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acegiak
yeah I've been trying to find the time to add a bit more to the tumblr sections of the wiki
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barnabywalters
I’m not so familiar with it personally but tumblr users seem to take reblogs quite seriously, so we should learn from that
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barnabywalters
acegiak: thanks!
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acegiak
barnabywalters: yeah. one of my favourite things was getting my indieweb reblogs of tumblr content to posse back to tumblr as native reblogs
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: is it feasible to make Loqi expand/summarise microformatted notes and articles in IRC? it would be a great way to make them more tangible
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Loqi
who, me?
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acegiak
becasue to post it as a new tumblr post even if you're linking back to the original is bad form
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waterpigs.co.uk
edited /repost (+234) "/* Tumblr */ paraphrased acegiak’s comments about tumblr reblogging ettiqete" (view diff)
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acegiak
takk
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acegiak
I'm getting some screenshots of the tumblr reblogging flow now
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barnabywalters
just realised if I make http://waterpigs.co.uk/intertubes a micropub app and give taproot a micropub endpoint, doing seamless inline likes, comments and reposts will be as easy as on the twitter timeline
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barnabywalters
like web actions but without the need for extra clicks, as it’s only one trusted site as opposed to having to log into every site
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barnabywalters
so the two things can coexist nicely
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@iboxifoo
Photo opp #indieweb #indiewebcamp @ The Embassy Network http://instagram.com/p/lQ2ETkD7Pk/ (twtr.io/isCQd_xwLG)
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tantek
in the wordpress session: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-wordpress
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@BridgettePerdue
check out this album review from @IMoveiLive http://imoveilive.com/albumreview-enjoy-this-moment/ #music #indieweb #unsignedartist (twtr.io/isDXzSmX6f)
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@domenicoperri
RT @kloptbaze: Rise of the IndieWeb - Amber Case - FutureTalks http://www.youtube.com/ (twtr.io/isDvDdYcyQ)
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebapps @aaronpk: http://indiewebcamp.com/micropub specifies how to send arbitrary properties to the server for a post, with html fallback (twtr.io/isEPihM34Z)
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pauloppenheim
The Log: What every software engineer should know about real-time data's unifying abstraction - http://engineering.linkedin.com/distributed-systems/log-what-every-software-engineer-should-know-about-real-time-datas-unifying
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@irasocol
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: you used to ask "why would everyone have their own computer?" now it's "why only one? Why not in your pocket?" (twtr.io/isFGQQSW2f)
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@schnarfed
@dangillmor congrats! welcome to the #indieweb! (twtr.io/isFHEUhbJ8)
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebapps @pauloppenheim: I have a static page on my domain, and IndieAuth means I can be part of a conversation without code (twtr.io/isFc_fP07U)
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bear
the talky laptop seems to have "gone away"
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aaronpk
bear: oh no! i think the battery died!
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bear
no worries - it's 2100 here - a good time for me to get dinner
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aaronpk
it's ok, we're about done here
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aaronpk
wrapping up for the day, going to head to dinner
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bear
i'll be online tomorrow also for this
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebapps @Johannes_Ernst: so the IndieWeb is the AirBnB of social networking (twtr.io/isFv4gM4_8)
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tantek
!tell snarfed http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention#must_follow_redirects for the Webmention plugin
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk
awesome, was great to have you participate!
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pauloppenheim
bear: same here, it's 6 and we're off schedule
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bear
thanks for letting me lurk :)
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pauloppenheim
bear: thank for your input to the conversation!
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Loqi
snarfed: tantek left you a message 13 seconds ago: http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention#must_follow_redirects for the Webmention plugin
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bear
waves and wanders off
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tantek
aaronpk I have another power supply
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@Johannes_Ernst
RT @kevinmarks: #indiewebapps @Johannes_Ernst: so the IndieWeb is the AirBnB of social networking (twtr.io/isG4BQGQTj)
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@kevinmarks
Notes on the IndieWeb Apps session of #indiewebcampsf http://www.kevinmarks.com/indiewebapps.html #indieweb #indiewebcamp (twtr.io/isGT4HMnE8)
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@domenicoperri
"@kevinmarks: Notes on the IndieWeb Apps session of #indiewebcampsf http://www.kevinmarks.com/indiewebapps.html #indieweb #indiewebcamp" (twtr.io/isHsGa03C0)
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@IMoveiLive
RT @BridgettePerdue: check out this album review from @IMoveiLive http://imoveilive.com/albumreview-enjoy-this-moment/ #music #indieweb #unsignedartist (twtr.io/isJ5oFXrYG)
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@schnarfed
RT @kevinmarks: #indiesilos @schnarfed: securing login is fundamentally hard - the great idea of IndieAuth is to use the big companies' har… (twtr.io/isJwng1YNQ)
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@Shariwriter
#indieweb Friday night book plug. http://www.amazon.com/Behind-Closet-Door-Shari-Rood-ebook/dp/B00HTBU2GA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1394235059&sr=8-1&keywords=shari+rood (twtr.io/isKEoaUuts)
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Loqi
michielbdejong: bear left you a message 4 hours, 30 minutes ago: the signalmaster devs are telling me that it should be able to run under https
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Loqi
michielbdejong: barnabywalters left you a message 2 hours, 9 minutes ago: nice work on webrtc “call me” buttons — see also http://indiewebcamp.com/phone for previous brainstorming and experimentation!
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michielbdejong.com
edited /phone (+409) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ added my "Call me" button" (view diff)
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@casebot
Caseorganic published a photo: Splinter #indiewebcamp session about displaying POSSE content on silos without ... http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseorganic/13002045414/ (twtr.io/isQUchZifo)
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@casebot
Caseorganic published a photo: #indiewebcamp selfie with @tantek @kevinmarks: caseorganic posted a photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseorganic/13001797233/ (twtr.io/isQUeW0UJ8)
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@casebot
Caseorganic published a photo: #indiewebcamp board complete!: caseorganic posted a photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseorganic/13002050824/ (twtr.io/isQUfUFmuw)
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@casebot
Caseorganic published a photo: @aaronpk runs the #indiewebcamp #indieweb message board.: caseorganic posted a ... http://www.flickr.com/photos/caseorganic/13002053494/ (twtr.io/isQUgPbE4o)
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snarfed.org
edited /WordPress (+257) "/* webmention */ FAQs" (view diff)
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michielbdejong.com
edited /phone (-18) "/* Michiel B. de Jong */ typos" (view diff)
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Loqi
adambrault: michielbdejong left you a message 7 hours, 34 minutes ago: how can i tell simplewebrtc.js to use my signalmaster instance?
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Loqi
adambrault: michielbdejong left you a message 7 hours, 26 minutes ago: ok, found the 'url' config option. https://michielbdejong.com/simplewebrtc.html now only warns that :8888 runs http instead of https
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tantek.com
edited /WordPress (+31) "put logo at top" (view diff)
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tantek.com
edited /2014/SF/Guest_List (+0) "sort" (view diff)
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@t
Did #indiewebcampsf sessions on #indiecomms #https #yourfriendthesilo #possepatterns #wordpress. #brainfull #indieweb (ttk.me t4Uw2) (twtr.io/isf9gjC6UG)
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unreally
help
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unreally
sorry, wrong window...
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aaronpk
!tell cweiske are you really still 24 years old? http://cweiske.de/aboutme.htm
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jenson.org
edited /How_to_set_up_web_sign-in_on_your_own_domain (+64) "/* 2. On each service, ensure there is a link back to your home page */" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu
hello indiewebcampers! Hope the first indiewebcampSF went well!
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@fdevillamil
RT @kevinmarks: #indiesilos @schnarfed: brid,gy will talk indieweb stuff - if you markup your post with microformats as a like, it can post… (twtr.io/isiZuionHL)
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@fdevillamil
RT @kevinmarks: #indiesilos @schnarfed: the 2 things are microformats to mark up your content for structure and webmention to tell another … (twtr.io/isi_yNh4sH)
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aaronpk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sP4k2nPu7w
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: that was awesome!
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aaronpk
:)
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KartikPrabhu
I'll probably take the indiewebcampSF excuse and implement notes on my website!
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KartikPrabhu
< now that I said that, I have to do it >
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aaronpk
yay!
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Loqi
does a happy dance!
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KartikPrabhu
w00t! so tomorrow personal indieweb assignment: notes!
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Loqi
does a happy dance!
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KartikPrabhu
Loqi: too much dancing buddy
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aaronpk
if you are awake at 16:30 PST you are welcome to demo via the livestream!
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KartikPrabhu
needs to find out what 16:30 PST means in local time!
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: cool! will look into it. That'll be around 1830 in Chicago and I should be awake and ready with notes by then :P
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bear.im
edited /2014/SF/Guest_List (+300) "/* Remote Participants */" (view diff)
(or join via IRC, Matrix, or Slack)