#indieweb

2014-03-08

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acegiak
so I'm thinking an h-entry should be able to contain a <div class="u-reblog-of"> which then contains a u-url and p-content
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KartikPrabhu
isn't there a "repost-of" already that folks use?
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acegiak
sorry that's what I meant
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KartikPrabhu
acegiak: yup seems people are using it. 16:30 PST
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KartikPrabhu
sorry. http://indiewebcamp.com/repost
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KartikPrabhu
see counterproposal
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acegiak
yeah. but they're using it posting the content as the h-entry content and then the repost-of is on the return link
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KartikPrabhu
i see what you mean
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KartikPrabhu
but a u-* property is supposed to be a url property
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KartikPrabhu
and I don't think properties can have nested properties either
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acegiak
hmmm
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acegiak
yeah
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acegiak
so then h-repost-of and h-like?
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KartikPrabhu
but you could have something like <div class="u-repost-of h-entry"></div> then the div containing a u-url and p-content
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KartikPrabhu
but i'd check how mf2 parsers handle that
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acegiak
yeah
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KartikPrabhu
http://waterpigs.co.uk/php-mf2/ seems to handle that pattern correctly
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KartikPrabhu
correctly = as expected/wanted
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KartikPrabhu
alright! I'm out. See you guys tomorrow.
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KartikPrabhu
is pumped to get notes working
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@michielbdejong
having a look at https://www.npmjs.org/package/microformat-node for parsing events and posting rsvp replies #indieweb (/live/34) (twtr.io/isqJtKHEJf)
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@michielbdejong
RT @t: Did #indiewebcampsf sessions on #indiecomms #https #yourfriendthesilo #possepatterns #wordpress. #brainfull #indieweb (ttk.me t4Uw2) (twtr.io/isqrqcYU5M)
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Loqi
cweiske: aaronpk left you a message 6 hours, 14 minutes ago: are you really still 24 years old? http://cweiske.de/aboutme.htm
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cweiske
!tell aaronpk: no. this time is long gone
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@scottradcliff
Recently discovered and now reading about the IndieWeb. I'm officially interested. (twtr.io/itRGLbTS4o)
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KevinMarks
Well, this 7am train feels almost relaxing after getting the 6am one yesterday
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adambrault
I'm running webrtccamp across town, so I can't be there today.... had a great time meeting folks. I hope to make it to pdx in June.
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adambrault
BUT I made a thing last night that might be relevant to your interests: https://github.com/adambrault/talkto — you can add a SimpleWebRTC video hangout to your domain just by forking this repo and changing the CNAME. (I just did talkto.adambrault.com)
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KevinMarks
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willnorris_
Not sure if anyone noticed this yesterday... http://identity.mozilla.com/post/78873831485/transitioning-persona-to-community-ownership
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aaronpk
whaaaat
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Loqi
aaronpk: cweiske left you a message 3 hours, 1 minute ago: no. this time is long gone
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aaronpk
"Mozilla has reallocated Persona’s full-time developers to other projects"
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willnorris_
Yep
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aaronpk
"Persona has received less adoption than we were hoping for by this point"
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KevinMarks
I used it yesterday (via indieauth)
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aaronpk
this is a good post https://wiki.mozilla.org/Identity/Persona_AAR
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tantek
I give Persona much better longterm community/organic survival chances than OpenID.
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tantek
aaronpk, yeah a bunch of us discussed the Persona_AAR a few days (weeks?) ago - it's a good outline. And that reminds me I need to debate jernst/j12t in person about it - perhaps today!
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tantek
!tell jernst,j12t let's discuss and your blog post about it in person today at IndieWebCampSF - I want to better understand some of the criticisms.
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek
!tell jernst,j12t this it: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Identity/Persona_AAR
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi
j12t: tantek left you a message 16 minutes ago: let's discuss and your blog post about it in person today at IndieWebCampSF - I want to better understand some of the criticisms.
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Loqi
j12t: tantek left you a message 16 minutes ago: let's discuss and your blog post about it in person today at IndieWebCampSF - I want to better understand some of the criticisms.
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Loqi
j12t: tantek left you a message 15 minutes ago: this it: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Identity/Persona_AAR
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Loqi
j12t: tantek left you a message 16 minutes ago: this it: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Identity/Persona_AAR
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aaronpk
!tell adambrault wow that's awesome! I just added it to my website here! https://aaronparecki.com/talk
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek
aaronpk, I'm getting a mixed SSL warning on that page
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aaronpk
yeah I'm trying to track that down
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aaronpk
oh! it's the signaling server url
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aaronpk
darn that means I'm going to have to run my own over ssl
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aaronpk
adambrault: I just used your sample code here! https://aaronparecki.com/talk
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aaronpk
that was super easy
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adambrault
aaronpk :)
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Loqi
adambrault: aaronpk left you a message 5 minutes ago: wow that's awesome! I just added it to my website here! https://aaronparecki.com/talk
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adambrault
yeah, you can run your own signaling server super easy.
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aaronpk
if I do, then I'm not relying on any third parties for the video call, right?
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adambrault
indeed
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aaronpk
wild
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adambrault
our super ambitious goal is to help federated webrtc be the main way people call each other in 5 years.
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willnorris_
aaronpk: knock knock
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tantek
adambrault++
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Loqi
adambrault has 1 karma
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aaronpk
the thing I'm missing with this now is I need a push notification whenever someone visits that page, or like a "ping me" button they can click
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KevinMarks
Right, but if you run your own signalling server it can ping your watch
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aaronpk
ohhhh
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KevinMarks
Can you record WebRTC?
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KevinMarks
I just get a selfiecam on the page. Also doesn't work on Firefox android
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aaronpk
oh that's cause i'm not in there
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adambrault
https://www.webrtc-experiment.com/RecordRTC/
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aaronpk
whoa
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bear
I will be running an errand but will be back in an hour to hack on my own site - let me know if talky becomes available please
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aaronpk
great! we'll be kicking off in 20 minutes
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KartikPrabhu
alright! researching notes implementation now...
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aaronpk
tantek has the talky laptop and he isn't here yet
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bear
nods
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bear
i'm eager to get my inbound webmentions and notes working for my static site - chewed over last night a least a dozen ways to do it and all of them ended up being deleted
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bear
too complicated or too smelly or both
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bear
errands
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caseorganic
doing a call to japan this morning, will be down shortly
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caseorganic
http://www.boston.com/
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caseorganic
ignore - wrong channel
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@aaronpk
Barely getting started with #IndieWebCamp Day 2, and already got two new things working... #indieweb http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/03/08/2/indiewebcamp-indieweb (twtr.io/itfT0Kfhaj)
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aaronpk
check out the "See Original" link on my facebook copy! https://www.facebook.com/aaronpk/posts/10101329207269886
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aaronpk
snarfed: my facebook feedback is now broken until you update bridgy :)
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@klintron
My Saturday morning reading: @kevinmarks #indiewebcamp notes http://www.kevinmarks.com/ (twtr.io/itgM4VMxkb)
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kylewm
aaronpk: that "See Original" link is awesome
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kylewm
want!
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KevinMarks_
!tell tantek where is the better tweet length estimation function from Falcon?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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Loqi
tantek: KevinMarks_ left you a message 4 minutes ago: where is the better tweet length estimation function from Falcon?
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tantek
Knock knock
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tantek
It's in cassis KevinMarks
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KevinMarks_
wondering if I need to include all of cassis or can just take this fn
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michielbdejong
what are the possible values of an rsvp, i've seen 'yes' and 'no' so far - should 'maybe' also be handled?
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KartikPrabhu
just created a successful rudimentary note! on to presentation and bells+whistles post lunch
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KevinMarks_
looks like I need all of cassis or I need to deweird all tantek's PHP in JS code
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aaronpk
hahaha
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michielbdejong
ah, found it: "invited", "yes", "no", "maybe", "tracking" http://microformats.org/wiki/rsvp-brainstorming#h-entry_plus_additions
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aaronpk
KevinMarks_: I'd be happy to talk about how to use cassis, i just started bringing it in to p3k
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KevinMarks_
it'll make my web app go from 50 lines of js to 1400...
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@dariusdunlap
IndieWebCamp! http://dunlaps.net/darius/2014/03/08/indieweb-camp/ (twtr.io/itiFM_14zj)
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aaronpk
bear: video link is back online! https://talky.io/indiewebcampsf
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@Johannes_Ernst
ghettofabulous. What a word. #indiewebcamp http://upon2020.com/banter/?p=121 (twtr.io/itj27R9avj)
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michielbdejong
aaronpk: to me it looks like i'm the only one at https://talky.io/indiewebcampsf
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aaronpk
michielbdejong: let me check
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aaronpk
fixed!
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michielbdejong
thx! perfect
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tantek
finally got back in IRC
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barnabywalters
good morning #indiewebcamp
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michielbdejong
barnabywalters: hi
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michielbdejong
is your sound on?
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barnabywalters
michielbdejong: currently muted, I’m getting a really bad connection from SF
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michielbdejong
barnabywalters: ok, i think i hear you typing though
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barnabywalters
refreshed and now it’s just michielbdejong and myself in the room it seems
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barnabywalters
ah yep I refreshed and forgot to mute again :)
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michielbdejong
yeah, i get that all the time as well :)
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aaronpk
trying to restart it
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michielbdejong
thx
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aaronpk
i think i have to switch to the other wifi
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pauloppenheim
bear: i was literally just talking about getting webmentions working without anything else attached (no wordpress, etc)
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pauloppenheim
bear: I am also a python dev
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aaronpk
much better
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@wavis
RT @iboxifoo: Photo opp #indieweb #indiewebcamp @ The Embassy Network http://instagram.com/p/lQ2ETkD7Pk/ (twtr.io/itkYo4Lg1s)
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caseorganic
tantek: an approximation of what scott jenson said, "why do indieauth? it’s simple, but it’s the easiest way to become part of a movement, and this is a way of trying out a method of authentication"
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aaronpk
lots of chatter here, apologies if it's hard to hear
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caseorganic
jenson: i don't see "own your data" as the first part of the page
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@wavis
RT @aallan: Interesting one, a “physical website” via #ble, http://instagram.com/p/lQMhn2JN8S/ from @scottjenson (via @ambercase). #indiewebcamp (twtr.io/itkbTDwWWQ)
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caseorganic
jenson:
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caseorganic
"you know the steve krug don't make me think?" - jenson
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pauloppenheim
bear: my interest is in being able to receive private messages without having to have a blog or anything else added to my site
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caseorganic
jenson: "something like the indieweb is about taking back the web. 3 core values. own your data, create a community that posts on their website but also has the community aspects"
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caseorganic
jenson: "i feel like we need to have the motivation foremost, and the execution second".
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tantek
thank you caseorganic!
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barnabywalters
wow, talky.io is making my fan start up. that never happens
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caseorganic
!doing working on characters for an indieweb comic
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: can we tell each other what we're working on? [mass bikeshedding of how to do so] (twtr.io/itm3hkUQ28)
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gasull
I'll be working on building my own site (finally)
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willnorris
I'll mainly be working on getting POSSE working on my site using javascript widgets (feeing back into my WordPress site, but most of the work should be portable to other platforms).
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aaronpk
working on getting photos to post from instagram to your site using ownyourgram.com
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scottjenson
Working on adding to my site: WebMentions/Bridgy + 'Notes"
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adambrault
barnabywalters: webrtc can be very cpu intensive, with the load multiplying by each connected peer.
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scottjenson
GiveBack(tm): working with Tantek on IndieWeb homepage 'attract text'
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dariusdunlap
Setting up wordpress for POSSE. Then may integrate some stuff in my static site project or Python/Flask project. Also on the list is full SSL on my domain. Depending on which direction I go, I may have questions... :-)
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dariusdunlap
I also will be hacking on descriptions, help, wikipages and such as I find useful stuff, incorrect instructions, or whatever.
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aaronpk
barnabywalters: and michielbdejong: we have you guys on a bluetooth speaker on the table so we'll be able to hear you if you say something
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barnabywalters
aaronpk: yay disembodied voices!
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michielbdejong
ok thx! but have my mic muted. the rain is pretty loud here atm
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aaronpk
cool thx
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@scottjenson
Testing out my #indieweb webmentions code http://jenson.org/easyhard/ (twtr.io/itmY0t2zQo)
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pauloppenheim
project: Receive Webmentions using python on static site
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dariusdunlap
Photo from Yesterday are up: http://dariusdunlap.smugmug.com/TechEvents/IndieWebCamp/
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aaronpk
here's the group photo I took http://www.flickr.com/photos/aaronpk/13012345474/
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caseorganic
dariusdunlap++
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Loqi
dariusdunlap has 1 karma
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caseorganic
aaronpk++
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Loqi
aaronpk has 389 karma
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barnabywalters
woah double vision
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caseorganic
barnabywalters: i wish there were two of both of you
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Loqi
[mention] http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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@dangillmor
Learning about, and deploying IndieWeb tools at http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF http://dangillmor.com/?p=803 (twtr.io/itnMKeDpnj)
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barnabywalters
this is just getting silly now
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aaronpk
weird what is it doing?
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aaronpk
we've kinda saturated the wifi here
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barnabywalters
there were three of everyone
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@schnarfed
RT @dangillmor: Learning about, and deploying IndieWeb tools at http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF http://dangillmor.com/?p=803 (twtr.io/itnjyc7sPU)
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barnabywalters
my connection is really bad too
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@schnarfed
@dangillmor congrats! glad you're here. welcome to the #indieweb! (twtr.io/itnnsFtrMb)
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aaronpk
so many barnabys
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snarfed
one of my favorite indiewebcamp tweets so far: https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/442371836576534528
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: can we tell each other what we're working on? [mass bikeshedding of how to do so] (twitter.com/_/status/442371836576534528)
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aaronpk
tehe
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Loqi
[mention] http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/dangillmor/442375457778827264/442376696193232896 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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@schnarfed
@scottjenson love it! welcome to the #indieweb. (twtr.io/itoN3joFdf)
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/dangillmor/442375457778827264/442377342212915201 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/dangillmor/442375457778827264/442376561166020608 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kevinmarks: hhmhmh (twtr.io/itoh3WsDHu)
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KevinMarks_
of course that one worked, and the other test didn;t
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caseorganic
will norris: "tantek, you have the uncanny ability to break rss readers"
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@autiomaa
#indiewebcamp is developing new ways for websites (and people) to communicate http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention with each other. (twtr.io/itp9VvU2Zc)
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/dangillmor/442375457778827264/758056 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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Loqi
[mention] http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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@niitamo
Intressin MT @autiomaa: #indiewebcamp is developing new ways for websites (and people) to communicate with each other http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (twtr.io/itpjAPZMRL)
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pdurbin
KevinMarks_: we aren't telling each other what we're working on?
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bear
it's nice weather here so *everyone* was out running errands
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caseorganic
bear: nice
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caseorganic
bear: i forget that "running errands" is an amazing excuse to go outside
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bear
yes, it's one of the reasons I like doing the shopping and stuff - get's me out of my office
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bear
michielbdejong was the talky session ok before I joined?
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aaronpk
we've been getting double ups for a while
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michielbdejong
bear: similar. i can hear about 50% of the words
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aaronpk
i think it's because of the really bad wifi here
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bear
yes - wifi is a huge source of issues for A/V over RTC
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snarfed
pauloppenheim: http://voxpelli.com/2013/12/webmentions-for-static-pages/
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tantek
is still catching up on logs!
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caseorganic
dangillmor: hello!
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caseorganic
!tell dangillmor: hello
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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dangillmor
greetings
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Loqi
dangillmor: caseorganic left you a message 6 seconds ago: hello
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bear
snarfed, pauloppenheim - I have a small python uwsgi app that does nothing but receive webmentions and then passes them to a handler if that is helpful
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bear
I use it for my static site
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caseorganic
^^ if you use the !tell command you can send a message to someone not in the channel for when they get into the channel nexrt
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caseorganic
next*
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pauloppenheim
bear: have a link?
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@AlexSchleber
RT @dangillmor: Learning about, and deploying IndieWeb tools at http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF http://dangillmor.com/?p=803 (twtr.io/itqseGPjCo)
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pauloppenheim
i am aiming to make something very small that does nothing else
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bear
pauloppenheim - https://github.com/bear/ronkyuu
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caseorganic
dangillmor: http://caseorganic.com/notes/2014/02/16/1/
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caseorganic
dangillmor: that's a tweet about how people use favorites on twitter with 53 responses
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tantek
welcome dangillmor!
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caseorganic
dangillmor++
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Loqi
dangillmor has 1 karma
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bear
pauloppenheim - in the examples directory you will find basic_listener.py
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bear
it uses the code that KartikPrabhu and I are working on to create a python helper toolkit
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pauloppenheim
ahh
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KartikPrabhu
bear: might be good to look into using mf2py to parse the mentions in ronkyuu
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pauloppenheim
bear: i am interested in having these things, but having them ala carte
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bear
KartikPrabhu - agreed
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bear
pauloppenheim - me also - I'm working on splitting some of the non toolkit items (like the examples) out into small standalone python code that each does one thng and interacts via file / redis / xmpp
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bear
my goal today was to make the webmention listener the first item
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pauloppenheim
bear: i am doing that right now :)
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bear
sweet
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caseorganic
jenson: "i just got xray vision into the web!" "a bridgy mention "you were mentioned in caseorganic's blog on the web"
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snarfed
lol, love it
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/dangillmor/442375457778827264/442385317450887168 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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aaronpk
i should probably figure out the password to this @untied twitter account, people keep complaining about United Airlines and mentioning @untied instead
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Loqi
I agree
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: lol!
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caseorganic
"How many of you favorite tweets more than you comment on them? What does favoriting a tweet mean to you? " http://caseorganic.com/notes/2014/02/16/1/
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caseorganic
aaronpk: that's ridiculous. you should advertise free flights /jk
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scottjenson
I'm here
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kevinmarks: now got accurate tweet counts thanks to @t's https://github.com/tantek/cassis/blob/master/cassis.js and my js is 28× as big as it was before (twtr.io/itrxX4G6YY)
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tantek
kevinmarks - sorry about that, I keep it in "developer" coding mode with comments, whitespace etc. no minified #cassis.js yet
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aaronpk
bear: we're going to shut off the video link cause it's probably eating bandwidth here
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bear
aaronpk ok
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tantek
for some reason the bandwidth from the video is much worse today
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aaronpk
more people on computers today?
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tantek
aaronpk - more people in the house?
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aaronpk
less chatting today, more working?
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tantek
caseorganic, I'm with you, put referral ads on @untied ;)
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aaronpk
downloading github repos and such
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caseorganic
tantek: ha
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bear
it's fine - i'm also working on code :)
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michielbdejong
so what's the current topic/session? just everybody working on stuff?
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tantek
a bunch of hack sessions going on
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michielbdejong
ok
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/dangillmor/442375457778827264/11628 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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aaronpk
okcleaned this up a little... https://twitter.com/untied
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aaronpk
weird non-sequitor
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bnvk
aaronpk: what is that?
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Loqi
that is active when i
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bnvk
heh
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caseorganic
scottjenson: example of a post with 50+ replies on my site through Bridgy. POSSE'd to Twitter from my site. http://caseorganic.com/notes/2014/02/16/1/
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aaronpk
bnvk: i registered the @untied twitter account in 2007 and never did anything with it. i've been getting people complaining about united airlines recently mentioning it.
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bnvk
haha, nice!
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bnvk
ahead of the curve, as usual ;)
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@aaronpk
It's a strange feeling to see real content on a domain you used to own. Feels kind of like someone else... #indieweb http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/03/08/3/indieweb (twtr.io/itsxgPrS_g)
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KartikPrabhu
woohoo! Note testing: http://kartikprabhu.com/notes
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caseorganic
willnorris: "that's the sound of a webmention"
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bear
KartikPrabhu++
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Loqi
KartikPrabhu has 5 karma
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caseorganic
willnorris++
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Loqi
willnorris has 1 karma
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dariusdunlap
Evil Tantek... http://dariusdunlap.smugmug.com/TechEvents/IndieWebCamp/i-RDzWk8K/0/M/DSC_3347-M.jpg
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bear
oh my - can't have that...
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bear
willnorris++
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Loqi
dude
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Loqi
173759109/bot/internet
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KartikPrabhu
eviltantek ++
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KartikPrabhu
boo fail!
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KartikPrabhu
eviltantek++
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Loqi
eviltantek has 1 karma
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tantek
willnorris++ ding!
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Loqi
willnorris has 2 karma
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bear
in my mind he is saying "1 beeeelllllioooon webmentions"
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bear
willnorris++
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Loqi
too much karma!
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bnvk
whoa tantek with a beard, most curious
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michielbdejong
aaronpk: can you seeing any incorrect rsvps coming in from me? source: 'https://michielbdejong.com/live/38',
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michielbdejong
target: 'http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-29-homebrew-website-club'
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aaronpk
well the wiki isn't displyaing webmentions yet
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aaronpk
you could try on one of my posts
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aaronpk
that looks right I think
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aaronpk
michielbdejong: http://aaronparecki.com/events/2014/01/29/1/homebrew-website-club
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caseorganic
!meme is this thing on? [microphone]
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michielbdejong
oh of course, right. thanks
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aaronpk
aw no loqi memes here, I forgot
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michielbdejong
confused the two
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KartikPrabhu
is getting rid of clutter caused by RDFa schema markup
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caseorganic
http://meme.loqi.me/4UxLMzuo.jpg
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Loqi
yeah!
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aaronpk
caseorganic++
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Loqi
too much karma!
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aaronpk
amazing
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KartikPrabhu
haha
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bear
me thinks that loqi is on strike
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aaronpk
i think instagram is using pubsubhubbub
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/dangillmor/442375457778827264/9872292 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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caseorganic
that sounds like an insult: instagram is being a real pubsubhubbub
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@curiousjohn
#Decentralization FTW! "@dangillmor: Learning about, and deploying #IndieWeb tools at http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF http://t.co/icidexWKBf" (twtr.io/ittpKkh6w0)
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@t
Amazing work already @IndieWebCamp SF hack day, e.g. @dangillmor added full POSSE roundtrip: http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/ (ttk.me t4Ux2) (twtr.io/ittpWRE7_Q)
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aaronpk
ha
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caseorganic
http://meme.loqi.me/4UxpP1Ju.jpg
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@MBUintelligence
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @kevinmarks: now got accurate tweet counts thanks to @t's https://github.com/tantek/cassis/blob/master/cassis.js and my js is 28× as big as it w… (twtr.io/ittw1QrRN8)
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@jecolbe
RT @dangillmor: Learning about, and deploying IndieWeb tools at http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF http://dangillmor.com/?p=803 (twtr.io/itu1jPTGks)
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aaronpk
!!! you can subscribe to instagram for a specific tag and get all instagram photos tagged with something in realtime
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aaronpk
I should subscribe to #indieweb and #indiewebcamp and spew them into the channel!
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Loqi
fo sho
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aaronpk
omg and lat/lng/radius
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aaronpk
wow
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aaronpk
instagram++
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Loqi
instagram has 1 karma
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@caseorganic
@dangillmor Welcome to the IndieWeb! It's great to have you here! (http://caseorganic.com/replies/2014/03/08/2/) (twtr.io/ituBXzsr3U)
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@BarnabyWalters
LOL #eviltantek is the funniest thing I’ve seen in a long time: #indieweb #indiewebcampsf cc @t (http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4UxLNr/) (twtr.io/ituMEaftQG)
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@dariusdunlap
EvilTantek — http://dariusdunlap.smugmug.com/TechEvents/IndieWebCamp/i-RDzWk8K/0/M/DSC_3347-M.jpg (twtr.io/ituXgNdACG)
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michielbdejong
aaronpk: ah thx it worked now http://aaronparecki.com/events/2014/01/29/1/homebrew-website-club i used the webmention box on the page, that's probably why i'm displayed differently than the others
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tantek.com
edited /elsewhere (+73) "instagrid down for now" (view diff)
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aaronpk
michielbdejong: the webmention form is just a browser form that sends the post request. Yours looks like it appears correctly!
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@curiousjohn
Wishing I could be at #indiewebcampsf w/ @dangillmor @t @aaronpk @wavis @caseorganic @adambrault & more: http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF/ #indieweb (twtr.io/ituhWEbVnj)
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michielbdejong
aaronpk: but why does my one have the full text and none of the other ones do
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aaronpk
there is no full text for the others
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michielbdejong
ah ok
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michielbdejong
thx!
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tantek
what was that tag aggregator site that we used to show all indieweb / indiewebcamp tweets, photos, etc.
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tantek
?
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tantek
I can't seem to find it on the wiki :/
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aaronpk
this? https://tagboard.com/indieweb
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tantek
yeah!
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tantek
now why isn't it linked from the wiki?
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/dangillmor/442375457778827264/442396041309323264 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/dangillmor/442375457778827264/442393568679051264 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/dangillmor/442375457778827264/415643 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/dangillmor/442375457778827264/442394139414372352 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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@aaronpk
@brennannovak "untied.us" It was a Twitter clone I made in 2007: http://www.flickr.com/photos/aaronpk/sets/72157633041808362/ (http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/03/08/1/indieweb) (twtr.io/ituYjw1Fej)
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@SavigentCTO
RT @scottjenson: Testing out my #indieweb webmentions code http://jenson.org/easyhard/ (twtr.io/itvAWxqpAQ)
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kylewm
can anyone point me to info on how to construct a facebook permalink from a post id?
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@INVISPIDE
Learning about, and deploying IndieWeb tools | Dan Gillmor http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/?utm_content=bufferba994&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer via @t (twtr.io/itvhUp1jbG)
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kylewm
oh! I think I got it
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aaronpk
it's facebook.com/postid or facebook.com/userid_postid
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aaronpk
but some of the mdon't work
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aaronpk
facebook.com/{userid}/posts/{postid} seems to work consistently
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barnabywalters
acegiak: I shouldn’t complain about this because I do the same thing, but the lack of timezone for published datetimes in your feed is causing some weird results due to local times being interpreted as UTC
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barnabywalters
e.g. http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http%3A%2F%2Facegiak.machinespirit.net%2F2014%2F03%2F08%2Finsert-title-here-goldenfleeces14-was-2000-years-ago%2F http://waterpigs.co.uk/intertubes/feed/
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KartikPrabhu
is working on autolinking in notes.
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barnabywalters
2014-03-08T21:38:36+00:00 hasn’t happened yet :)
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barnabywalters
is currently fixing lack of timezones on his own posts
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@dariusdunlap
IndieWeb Camp post updated: http://dunlaps.net/darius/2014/03/08/indieweb-camp/ (twtr.io/itwSMbyRVb)
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kylewm
Thanks aaronpk, facebook.com/user_id/posts/post_id was what finally worked
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kylewm
it seems to be different if the your post has a link in it or not
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aaronpk
cool. yeah I was getting really inconsistent results with other urls
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aaronpk
oh interesting
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@latrippi
RT @t: Amazing work already @IndieWebCamp SF hack day, e.g. @dangillmor added full POSSE roundtrip: http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/ (ttk.me t4Ux2) (twtr.io/itwywDQEHb)
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@feedthegirl
RT @dariusdunlap: IndieWeb Camp post updated: http://dunlaps.net/darius/2014/03/08/indieweb-camp/ (twtr.io/itx0w5rQ9b)
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barnabywalters
Taproot is timezonified!
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aaronpk
yay!
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Loqi
yay!
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@kevinmarks
Dan Gillmor is fully indie http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/ #indiewebcamp (twtr.io/itxUA8g3HL)
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@dariusdunlap
Digging the IndieWeb… http://dunlaps.net/darius/2014/03/08/indieweb-camp/ (twtr.io/itxp9zMrMb)
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tantek.com
edited /elsewhere (+120) "tagboard" (view diff)
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@LloydDavis
RT @kevinmarks: Dan Gillmor is fully indie http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/ #indiewebcamp (twtr.io/ityC9k6y3j)
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@nchenga
RT @kevinmarks: Dan Gillmor is fully indie http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/ #indiewebcamp (twtr.io/ityDjwcAbp)
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dangillmor
Well, not fully...but making progress.
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tantek.com
edited /news (+34) "see also" (view diff)
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barnabywalters
is the room with the comfortable-looking sofas and bookshelves the indiewebcampsf venue?
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tantek.com
created /tagboard (+539) "stub" (view diff)
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tantek
barnabywalters - it's the "couches" room
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tantek
we've split into two hack areas
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barnabywalters
tantek: cool, looks like a nice venue! I was confused because the guy on the left looks very much like André Luis from here
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tantek
lunch is here (indiewebcampsf)
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pauloppenheim
bear: there are too many deps in this example for me to use ronkyuu as-is, but i will patch what i have found so far
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@nchenga
"Bridgy" http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/?utm_content=buffer36792&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer (twtr.io/ityLKVX1L1)
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bear
pauloppenheim please do suggest/comment on what made it painful for you - we can adust
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pauloppenheim
bear: for instance, i am using shared hosting which does not provide wsgi, so i must serve as CGI
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pauloppenheim
i usually just use the wsgiref wrapper
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bear
ah - yes - that is why I was removing basic_listener out of ronkyuu
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pauloppenheim
bear: absolutely! i was hoping to contribute to something instead of starting from scratch
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pauloppenheim
bear: i will make it work :)
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KartikPrabhu
autolink works! http://kartikprabhu.com/notes/autolink-test-adding
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bear
pauloppenheim cool - i've started another project that will only contain single .py apps for use with indieweb
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pauloppenheim
bear: also I can't listen on any ports on my host
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pauloppenheim
i will write another main() impl to use cgi wrapper
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bear
pauloppenheim +1
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pauloppenheim
bear: nice!
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pauloppenheim
bear: it's lunch, i will bbiab
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bear
k
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pauloppenheim
bear: (sorry for slow progress, it's super distracting here)
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@kevinmarks
#indiewebcamp hack day (@ The Embassy Network w/ @t @aaronpk) http:///login?continue=%2Fkevinmarks%2Fcheckin%2F531b8921498e82e28f96bf3d (twtr.io/itzLpUTcAQ)
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bear
pauloppenheim no worries at all - this is a marathon not a sprint - we have nothing but time and fun ahead
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@jordan_web
IndieWebCamp by Dan Gillmor http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/ Jetpack plugin for WordPress (twtr.io/itzaF8_P4Y)
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aaronpk
KartikPrabhu: nice progress!
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KartikPrabhu
thanks!
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KartikPrabhu
just ralised that his autolinking code will try to autolink already autolinked links
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aaronpk
heh
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aaronpk
welcome to autolink hell
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tantek
nah - easy fix ;)
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tantek
my autolinker doesn't have that problem :D
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KartikPrabhu
waaaah how?
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tantek
idempotency
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KartikPrabhu
so you check if it is already markedup and then don't autolink it?
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barnabywalters
didn’t tommorris post tantek’s cassis autolinker to python?
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barnabywalters
or was that ruby
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tommorris
no, ported it to Ruby.
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caseorganic.com
created /barriers (+3947) "Added Barriers to Entry page and the concept of IndieWeb Generations" (view diff)
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tommorris
should share the Ruby implementation really
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barnabywalters
well it should be fairly easy to port it to python from ruby
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caseorganic.com
edited /barriers (+7) "/* Description */" (view diff)
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barnabywalters
oh I thought you already had
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KartikPrabhu
i don't know ruby but I can try a port if the Ruby code can be accessed
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caseorganic.com
edited /barriers (+45) "/* Description */" (view diff)
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@autiomaa
Own your data. Publish content on your own site. Only optionally syndicate to 3rd party silos. http://indiewebcamp.com/?utm_content=bufferbbe36&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer https://twitter.com/autiomaa/status/442409442664259584/photo/1 (twtr.io/itzVjVmPD4)
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@jjmajava
@autiomaa Yes, #indieweb ftw! (twtr.io/iu0_cpCKm8)
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caseorganic.com
edited /barriers (+36) (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu
python autolink. found this: https://greaterdebater.com/blog/gabe/post/4
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KartikPrabhu
and it works! :)
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KartikPrabhu
is glad to be out of hell
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iboxifoo
amazing lunch. thank you ben + indieweb
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caseorganic.com
edited /barriers (+27) (view diff)
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tantek
idno++
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Loqi
idno has 1 karma
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tantek
that's it?!?
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tantek
Thanks to idno for sponsoring lunch today at IndieWebCampSF!
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caseorganic
idno++
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Loqi
idno has 2 karma
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willnorris
thanks for lunch idno
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willnorris
idno++
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Loqi
dude
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caseorganic
!tell benwerd Thanks to you and Idno for lunch! It's delicious
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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caseorganic
gives Loqi a cookie
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Loqi
loves the cookie
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caseorganic
pats Loqi on the head
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Loqi
yeah!
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bear
idno ++
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bear
idno++
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Loqi
idno has 3 karma
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kylewm
idno++
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kylewm
:)
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caseorganic
tries to distract Loqi so he doesn't notice the karma overload
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KartikPrabhu
too late caseorganic
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KartikPrabhu
Loqi already ignored kylewm
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kylewm
sorry Loqi
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Loqi
[mention] https://snarfed.org/2014-03-08_benwerd_indiewebcamp_lunch linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (pingback)
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@schnarfed
.@benwerd sent us an amazing lunch at #IndieWebCamp SF day 2. Thank you Ben! We miss you! https://snarfed.org/2014-03-08_benwerd_indiewebcamp_lunch https://twitter.com/schnarfed/status/442415372583440384/photo/1 (twtr.io/iu1bqRFvej)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb thank you @benwerd and @idno for lunch today (twtr.io/iu1d12bk9L)
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waterpigs.co.uk
edited /Taproot (+153) "/* Roadmap */ added latest done things" (view diff)
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kylewm
philosophical question, what do you think of using twitter's embed code for retweets (e.g., http://kylewm.com/note/2014/5609)?
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KevinMarks_
so who has http://indiewebcamp.com/micropub implemented that I can post to from noterlive?
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barnabywalters
kylewm: it’s okay, better if you add microformats. see also adactio’s post on the subject: http://adactio.com/journal/5698/
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aaronpk
KevinMarks_: I do!
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aaronpk
KevinMarks_: https://github.com/aaronpk/OwnYourGram/blob/master/controllers/auth.php
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aaronpk
KevinMarks_: https://github.com/indieweb/indieauth-client-php
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kylewm
barnabywalters: thanks for pointing me to that post, definitely brings a good point. I am mostly not thrilled that it lets twitter track people on my site ... since one of my big goals is to not have any tracker-type-things
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barnabywalters
kylewm: personally I’d say ditch twitter’s markup and scripts and write your own h-cite markup and styling
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barnabywalters
that way it’s not tied to twitter in any way. reposting content is not exclusive to twitter
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kylewm
barnabywalters, cool, I think I will head in that direction
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barnabywalters
improved note editing UI: done. next up: favourite/mention/repost/comment icons
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kylewm
snarfed: I might be missing something (I don't know submodules at all), but it can't seem to find the oauth_dropins tree on here https://github.com/snarfed/activitystreams-unofficial
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zztr
full port list bash function:
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zztr
full_port_list () { sort -un <(grep -v '^#' /usr/share/nmap/nmap-services |cut -s -f2 |cut -d/ -f1 |uniq) <(grep -v '^#' /etc/services |tr -s ' ' |cut -s -d' ' -f2 |cut -d/ -f1 |uniq)
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zztr
}
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zztr
assuming nmap installed, written for Fedora
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Loqi
[mention] http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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KevinMarks_
new noterlive feature - autolinking thanks to cassis
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/dangillmor/442375457778827264/442421630879268865 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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Loqi
[mention] http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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Loqi
[mention] http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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Loqi
[mention] http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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Loqi
[mention] http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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pauloppenheim
bear: ping - issued a pull request on github
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bear
pauloppenheim - pong, reading
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bear
pauloppenheim - merged - thanks!
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pauloppenheim
bear: np, i'm onto the next thing :)
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bear
\o/
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pauloppenheim
bear: i will fix: IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/var/log/webmentions/webmentions.log'
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bear
yes, that is one of the many small things that was making me remove it from the lib
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@Johannes_Ernst
@dangillmor is enthusiastic about #indieweb: http://t.co/Oq6N8jbPVQ... http://upon2020.com/banter/?p=123 (twtr.io/iu6j9EW64o)
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/dangillmor/442375457778827264/442429871604510721 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/dangillmor/442375457778827264/2788841 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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dunlaps.net
edited /https (+168) "/* Buying */" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu
better CSS for notes with avatar and all that jazz : http://kartikprabhu.com/notes Also keeping things responsive
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caseorganic
OH: man, when you hook up POSSE you totally set up a shotgun
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@Editor_Page
RT @t: Amazing work already @IndieWebCamp SF hack day, e.g. @dangillmor added full POSSE roundtrip: http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/ (ttk.me t4Ux2) (twtr.io/iu87hNSXtb)
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pauloppenheim
bear: is it sane to just remove the pathing and use pwd instead of /var/log?
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pauloppenheim
bear: (i did that and it works)
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bear
pauloppenheim - I am seconds away from posting the new version to bear/dainin project and removing it from ronkyuu
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bear
so you may want to wait a couple minutes and see if how i'm doing it now works better for you
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dunlaps.net
edited /https (+149) "/* Buying */" (view diff)
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pauloppenheim
bear: what's the difference?
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pauloppenheim
ahh
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pauloppenheim
it's empty
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bear
I made the logging optional and also cleaned up some "bear only" stuff
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dunlaps.net
edited /https (+6) "/* Validating Your Purchase */" (view diff)
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bear
ok, pushed to https://github.com/bear/dainin pauloppenheim
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pauloppenheim
bear: well, i'm going to be using logging only, but i'm not sure the pythong logging module will make sense
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pauloppenheim
bear: lemme see then
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bear
thanks
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KartikPrabhu
should learn to take screenshots to document progress
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snarfed1
aaronpk, the entire couch area votes for markdown on the wiki
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pauloppenheim
bear: should dainin depend on ronkyuu, or is that not intentional?
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snarfed1
just fyi, top priority pls, kthxbye!!!
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snarfed1
:P
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bear
pauloppenheim dainin uses ronkyuu to handle the webmention stuff
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bear
so yes
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bear
oh - I forgot to add it to requirements!
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pauloppenheim
bear: is it necessary, or could it be standalone?
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bear
necessary right now
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pauloppenheim
bear: lemme dig
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aaronpk
snarfed1: hahaha ok
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aaronpk
i'm still nervous about breaking existing pages that may have colliding markup
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iboxifoo
successfully posse'd from localhost (but deleted the tweet as linked to localhost)
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KartikPrabhu
alright! must do others errands. Hope everyone had a good hack-day. As my progress, I setup notes posting here: http://kartikprabhu.com/notes next step would be webmentions, bridgy integration and POSSE. Thanks all!
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dunlaps.net
edited /https (+205) "/* Validating Your Purchase */" (view diff)
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snarfed1
nice work KartikPrabhu, glad you joined us remotely!
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bear
KartikPrabhu++ nicely done!
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Loqi
KartikPrabhu has 6 karma
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bear
pauloppenheim - fixed the problem by 1) adding requirements.txt to dainin and 2) adding ronkyuu to pypi
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pauloppenheim
bear: do you mean for dainin to just be a webmention listener?
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@iboxifoo
tweetin' n' deletin #indiewebcamp (twtr.io/iu9wGDYqqf)
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bear
pauloppenheim - right now that is all it is doing, but I want it to be the place where the non-static parts of indieweb will live
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bear
like posting Notes or Articles, handling IndieAuth, etc
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pauloppenheim
ok
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pauloppenheim
bear: then what is ronkyuu?
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Loqi
ronkyuu is definitely deserving of being added to http
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bear
ronkyuu is a library that KartikPrabhu and myself are using to help parse indieweb items - like verifying webmentions, rel-me's etc
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pauloppenheim
Loqi: >:-\
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dunlaps.net
edited /https (+366) "/* Validating Your Purchase */" (view diff)
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pauloppenheim
bear: ok. I think we might have different interests
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pauloppenheim
I will whip up something quickly to show you what has been on my mind
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bear
my thought is that it will be where html contaiing mf can be processed to handle webmentions, rel-me, and also in the future, to create objects that represent the mf on a page
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pauloppenheim
bear: i am not necessarily interested in mf at this point
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pauloppenheim
just having an endpoint
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bear
ah
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bear
then yea, you would want the listener to not include ronkyuu and have the handler pull it in as needed
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dunlaps.net
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@notenoughneon
Querying Microformats - further refinements: http://notenoughneon.com/p/20140308144000-querying-microformats-further-refinements #indieweb (twtr.io/iuAaZwUx69)
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@artwisanggeni
ronkyuu 0.2.2: Webmention Manager https://pypi.python.org/pypi/ronkyuu/0.2.2 (twtr.io/iuAgPFhJA8)
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bear
https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/index.html
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@willnorris
wrapping up IndieWebCamp SF 2014 ... made a LOT of progress on my personal site this year https://willnorris.com/2014/03/indiewebcamp-2014 (twtr.io/iuBPBnTnm9)
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@pypi
ronkyuu 0.2.2: Webmention Manager https://pypi.python.org/pypi/ronkyuu/0.2.2 (twtr.io/iuBuujSb14)
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acegiak
barnabywalters: it was pointed out last night that using u-like-of and u-repost-of the way we discussed yesterday (eg http://acegiak.machinespirit.net/2014/03/08/subjective-eclectica-photo-10/) is problematic because u-* is meant to be for url properties
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bear
http://www.a2hosting.com/kb/security/ssl/installing-a-third-party-ssl-certificate
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barnabywalters
acegiak: the prefix doesn’t make any difference for property-nested microformats
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barnabywalters
i.e. .u-in-reply-to.h-cite is parsed exactly the same as .p-in-reply-to.h-cite
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barnabywalters
so there’s only a theoretical problem :)
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acegiak
yeah fair enough
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barnabywalters
finally managed to get some nice little mentions icons made, e.g. http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4UcCe5/
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barnabywalters
Sketch is such a great vector drawing app
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tantek.com
created /communication (+3188) "draft with how, why, indieweb examples, brainstorming, mockups" (view diff)
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caseorganic
Heading out for a moment but feedback wanted on this comic draft! https://www.dropbox.com/s/3xk01f9r8b11u5k/IndieComicIndieComic%20V2.pdf
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caseorganic
not done yet, of course, but look and feel feedback = good
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scottjenson
Here's my IndieWebCamp.org home page rework (just the intro, everything else is the same)
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scottjenson
http://jenson.org/img/IndieWebCamp.png
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scottjenson
Looking for general feedback and wording
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barnabywalters
scottjenson: that looks great, really clear and I like the little visual reinforcement of the main ideas
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barnabywalters
small niggle: saying “the indieweb is *an* alternative” makes it sound like “IndieWeb” is some sort of protocol or piece of software
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barnabywalters
but I’m not sure how to word it better OTTOMH
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barnabywalters
midnight here, goodnight everyone!
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Loqi
night
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@pypi
ronkyuu 0.2.4: Webmention Manager https://pypi.python.org/pypi/ronkyuu/0.2.4 (twtr.io/iuFbY_ebfY)
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@artwisanggeni
ronkyuu 0.2.4: Webmention Manager https://pypi.python.org/pypi/ronkyuu/0.2.4 (twtr.io/iuGDErjXrU)
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Loqi
[@kevinmarks] #indieweb @scottjenson: I redesigned 'what is the indieweb' with: your content is safe
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Loqi
you are better connected
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Loqi
you are in control (http://twtr.io/iuHMXE6FKW)
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KartikPrabhu
post types question: DO people have diff. interfaces for each kind of post like article/note? Or just one interface where you select the post-type...
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @dariusdunlap: I got evil tantek with full roundtrip POSSE on http://dunlaps.net/darius/ http://dariusdunlap.smugmug.com/TechEvents/IndieWebCamp/i-RDzWk8K/0/M/DSC_3347-M.jpg (twtr.io/iuHXr9jsBj)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @dariusdunlap: I am working on SSL setup and makeing notes on how to do it on the wiki as I go http://indiewebcamp.com/https (twtr.io/iuHbv8APnD)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @schnarfed: we've been talking about people focused communication - so instead of having apps you have website with contacts (twtr.io/iuHhb653Mb)
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@benwerd
RT @dangillmor: Learning about, and deploying IndieWeb tools at http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF http://dangillmor.com/?p=803 (twtr.io/iuHhexmhZb)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @schnarfed: we are all going to choose different formatting for the 'contact me these ways' but I want consistent design (twtr.io/iuHjyEAjgb)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @schnarfed: I have a browser user script and user style that gives the same icons everywhere on everyone's sites (twtr.io/iuHqcN3QeW)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @schnarfed: most of you know brid.gy - it pulls comments and likes back to your site - I want to do the other direction too (twtr.io/iuHwMo3uf0)
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@OhhSocialMedia
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @schnarfed: we've been talking about people focused communication - so instead of having apps you have website wi… (twtr.io/iuHxbH82Lp)
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@OhhSocialMedia
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @schnarfed: we are all going to choose different formatting for the 'contact me these ways' but I want consistent… (twtr.io/iuHxnZCPk4)
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@OhhSocialMedia
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @schnarfed: I have a browser user script and user style that gives the same icons everywhere on everyone's sites (twtr.io/iuHxuS9tmf)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @schnarfed: so at https://www.brid.gy/publish I have a webmention handler it will figure out your post and POSSE into silos (twtr.io/iuJ0pbqf8Y)
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/dangillmor/442375457778827264/442460434147209216 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (webmention)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @schnarfed: I am making a like on my site that points to a a tweet and add a link to https://www.brid.gy/publish/twitter (twtr.io/iuJ61Zb8p4)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @schnarfed: similarly I can publish an RSVP link back to Facebook (twtr.io/iuJAT8iPXC)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @schnarfed: so I favorited this tweet and RSVP (twtr.io/iuJBXs0oML)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @schnarfed: and I RSVP'd to this facebook event via posting on my own site (twtr.io/iuJDkDZHHs)
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@hybridjesus
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @schnarfed: I have a browser user script and user style that gives the same icons everywhere on everyone's sites (twtr.io/iuJEQhECcL)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @schnarfed: if you send a webmention for this post URL you will cause a favorite on twitter or like/RSVP on FB (twtr.io/iuJJYei17C)
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@windley
I want to implement @webmention on my blog. Looking into https://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (twtr.io/iuJJ_2YFnC)
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@iC
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @schnarfed: and I RSVP'd to this facebook event via posting on my own site (twtr.io/iuJRrmTAHb)
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@gcarothers
RT @kevinmarks: Dan Gillmor is fully indie http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/ #indiewebcamp (twtr.io/iuJRykZanC)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @schnarfed: this is alpha, I have no docs yet. try it on https://www.brid.gy/publish (twtr.io/iuJWEnDjPU)
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@OhhSocialMedia
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @schnarfed: if you send a webmention for this post URL you will cause a favorite on twitter or like/RSVP on FB (twtr.io/iuJXCKSMHs)
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@search8engine
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @schnarfed: I am making a like on my site that points to a a tweet and add a link to https://www.brid.gy/publish/twitter (twtr.io/iuJaHcgWXU)
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@schnarfed
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @schnarfed: so at https://www.brid.gy/publish I have a webmention handler it will figure out your post and POSSE into … (twtr.io/iuJgErKv1M)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @wavis: I want to demo addressibility - this is an http server in 14 lines (twtr.io/iuJo_zw_uw)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @wavis: by addressing the SHA384 sum off the file I get the file itself back (twtr.io/iuJuEQdkc4)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @markymark: I have a project asheville.io that backs up your posts from silos like twitter and fb, and foursquare (twtr.io/iuK35dm2Nw)
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@OhhSocialMedia
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @wavis: I want to demo addressibility - this is an http server in 14 lines (twtr.io/iuK572VCtL)
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@OhhSocialMedia
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @wavis: by addressing the SHA384 sum off the file I get the file itself back (twtr.io/iuK5Nar4PV)
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@OhhSocialMedia
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @markymark: I have a project asheville.io that backs up your posts from silos like twitter and fb, and foursquare (twtr.io/iuK5XPgvyx)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @markymark: first asheville syncs your content on a server like dropbox, google drive, then makes an API for it for you (twtr.io/iuK6eGJxVb)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @markymark: I'm using the APIs that they provide to download your content onto your dropbox (twtr.io/iuKAYsbJZb)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @markymark: you can create a centralising machine to get your content back home http://indiewebcamp.com/PESOS (twtr.io/iuKFiqn9Db)
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@breizh2008
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @markymark: you can create a centralising machine to get your content back home http://indiewebcamp.com/PESOS (twtr.io/iuKMCfXCCo)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @markymark: I want to make my website powered by asheville to show all my stuff (twtr.io/iuKMno1fyf)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @scottjenson: mobiles aren't always ready, so occasionally I'll post to twitter in a moment of weakness, so asheville will tidy up (twtr.io/iuKSramWUG)
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Loqi
[[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Tantek.com * uploaded "[[File:ios7-people-icons-screenshot.jpg]]"
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aaronpk
feel free to help me take notes here https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-demos
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@danlyke
@windley I think @WebMention is susceptible to same issues that sank Trackbacks. Easier to just parse known RSS feeds for inbound links... (twtr.io/iuKhHtptRM)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @caseorganic: I had a really fun time making comics about the indieweb (twtr.io/iuKhmh491s)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @caseorganic: the first session we had was about different indieweb generations - people complaining about wht went wrong (twtr.io/iuKnp7bqVL)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @caseorganic: how I made a comic in a few hours - I used http://toonlet.com/comic which has character libraries to use (twtr.io/iuKwjvCNUG)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @caseorganic: then I imported the characters into omnigraffle and imported some comic bubbles (twtr.io/iuL44sTWcs)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @caseorganic: I think of it as 4 generations - from coder to end-user and map through the stages for each (twtr.io/iuLEomyycs)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @caseorganic: generation 1 is the developers like us who make custom blogging systems and can spawn code (twtr.io/iuLKPxC2h9)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @caseorganic: generation 2 is people like @dangillmor and @scottros who own their domains and post, now they get the conversation (twtr.io/iuLNzPog1s)
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@jsuttor
RT @kevinmarks: Dan Gillmor is fully indie http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/ #indiewebcamp (twtr.io/iuLPbxEyCG)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @caseorganic: Generation 3 have a domain and 3rd party hosting - setting up a name server (twtr.io/iuLRWBeqFU)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @caseorganic: Generation 4 have never bought a domain, and only used 3rd party software. you're slinging zipfiles at their brain (twtr.io/iuLVTfKMxM)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @caseorganic: we need each of these generations to explain to the next one down - we want an incremental approach (twtr.io/iuLbAXwW4p)
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snarfed
hey bear! i don't know if you're listening to audio, but if you are, can you hear ok?
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bear
yes, I can hear just fine
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snarfed
great!
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bear
the only time it glitches is when people clap :)
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snarfed
hah
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snarfed
bear, send me q's/comments here if you have any, I'll relay them
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bear
coolness
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pauloppenheim
bear: i pushed https://github.com/pauloppenheim/webmention-basic
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bear
thanks pauloppenheim !
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @dariusdunlap: I'm thinking about what it would be like to do a full posse for the non-profit my wife runs, as she does it by hand (twtr.io/iuM021dZb0)
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pauloppenheim
bear: even works in py 2.5 >:)
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bear
now your just showing off ;)
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bear
:)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @scottjenson: I set up POSSE, but ti was on a hair-trigger - every edit sent a new update (twtr.io/iuM2tYtw7U)
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caseorganic
tantek: "how do you make buying and selling a domain as easy and as useful as buying a cell phone"
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: we should look at things that are successful - how do you make buying and using a domain as easy as a cellphone? (twtr.io/iuM97Ursxb)
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@windley
@danlyke @WebMention Polling lots of RSS feeds for mentions is not very efficient. Remember, I’m an event guy. :) (twtr.io/iuMHpmggFj)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kevinmarks: that http://squarespace.com put a superbowl ad up to buy a domain and configure is a marker for this - reach out (twtr.io/iuMJmxF5b0)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @dariusdunlap: squarespace have a dev api - not sure what it is (twtr.io/iuMMw_wpmg)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: I now have a live demo of http://ownyourgram.com - it does one test photo (twtr.io/iuMRXgAEbo)
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caseorganic
for generation 4, the experience should be as easy as a credit card
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: first you authorize your own domain with indieauth and micropub, then you auth in with instagram, and it gets 1 photo (twtr.io/iuMYEMnB0G)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: at this point you need to handle posting a photo to your site (twtr.io/iuMcbdJFFC)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: and it made this post: http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/03/08/4/indiewebcamp-indieweb-sf of this photo http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/03/08/4/files/photo.jpg (twtr.io/iuMiB_huMs)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: once I get this working I can make any photo I post on Instagram come back to my site (twtr.io/iuMn7w3UVs)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: I'm waiting for instagram to whitelist me to post comments to make this work fully (twtr.io/iuMuwUF8Ds)
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gRegor`
nervously puts his initial, beta webmention plugin out to the world: https://github.com/gRegorLove/nucleus-plugin-webmention
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gRegor`
One of my first GitHub repos, too.
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kyle_wm: I'm new to this - I came to the wiki and then tried to implement it from scratch from the wiki (twtr.io/iuN22xhrJQ)
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bear
gRegor`++
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gRegor`
I think that darn tic mark is going to prevent me getting points.
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kyle_wm: i was working with brid,gy, trying to get things done within each 10 minute update cycle (twtr.io/iuN7GNVxFj)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @schnarfed: @kyle_wm is the first brid.gy contributor other than me -he added support for Show Original on facebook (twtr.io/iuNBCdLXnC)
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michielbdejong
bear: is there video atm?
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bear
michielbdejong - yes
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bear
michielbdejong - is it working now?
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michielbdejong
hm, i saw it briefly. will try restarting
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: I started out with this blogpost http://tantek.com/2013/338/b1/people-focused-mobile-communication-experience I have a habit of writing before building - must be w3c habits (twtr.io/iuNP2TfoH4)
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snarfed1
congrats gRegor`!
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bear
snarfed1 - can you reset talky - michielbdejong is having trouble seeing the video
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aaronpk
sure one sec
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snarfed1
ah thanks aaronpk
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gRegor`
Is there a public link for the video?
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snarfed1
i was about to try and probably break it
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: I then made anew blogpost documenting my idea http://tantek.com/2014/067/b1/building-blocks-people-focused-mobile-communication then mockups to tell a story http://tantek.com/2014/067/b1/building-blocks-people-focused-mobile-communication (twtr.io/iuNUhfvk40)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: a lor of this work was already on the wiki, so I made a narrative flow to help explain it (twtr.io/iuNXugfSoY)
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caseorganic
"there's a really big difference between having information posted as a reference vs. telling a story" - tantek
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caseorganic
We need small indiewebcamps when we do generational transitions. that's why this one worked so well - small group, lots of things done. we can take this to a larger group now and have a map
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snarfed
bear, do you know the talk for for gRegor`? (i don't)
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snarfed
er, the talky url
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bear
https://talky.io/indiewebcampsf
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gRegor`
Thanks
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: we do work on our own sites, but narrating it for other people too is also useful (twtr.io/iuNfh367rU)
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bear
just remember to mute when you join - cuts down on the bandwidth
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@hybridjesus
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: I started out with this blogpost http://tantek.com/2013/338/b1/people-focused-mobile-communication-experience I have a habit of writing before building - must be w… (twtr.io/iuNkgEnJ2g)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kevinmarks: I tried to use the activitystrea.ms site today, and it was far to dry to make sense of. this narrative is needed (twtr.io/iuNnurYT5c)
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caseorganic
kevinmarks presenting now
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caseorganic
noterlive.com - he's showing his very fast method for livetweeting
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aaronpk
started porting the indieauth php client to node, got about 20% through
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aaronpk
goal is to use noterlive to be able to post to other people's sites
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caseorganic.com
edited /barriers (+286) (view diff)
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aaronpk
character counter in noterlive is now using tantek's cassis count to properly count characters taking into account twitter's t.co URL wrapping
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kevinmarks: I have a number showing how many characters are left http://noterlive.com (twtr.io/iuP0g4o6YY)
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@OhhSocialMedia
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: we do work on our own sites, but narrating it for other people too is also useful (twtr.io/iuP1P3yPrU)
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caseorganic
KevinMarks_: http://meme.loqi.me/4Uy1nG7G.jpg
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caseorganic
tantek:
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: kevin is the first person to run the cassis code in javascript not php (twtr.io/iuP6VSjQEy)
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aaronpk
tantek is writing code that runs in both PHP and javascript (cassis.js)
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caseorganic
tantek has made spanglish code.
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aaronpk
kevin also used the autolink function so that the HTML generated by noterlive is even nicer now
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Loqi
[@kyle_wm] Loving seeing all the demos at the end of #indiewebcamp
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Loqi
everyone's brilliant, cool mix of hardcore code people, v... http://kylewm.com/note/2014/5611 (http://twtr.io/iuPFqM8fAf)
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snarfed
kylewm: congrats, it worked! (my like here: http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/03/08/3/indieweb )
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aaronpk
YAYYY
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kylewm
snarfed, that's so cool! thanks for letting me play with it :)
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bear
lost the talky
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snarfed
happy to!
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caseorganic
still tantek's code - it works. and it works in both javascript and php - kevinmarks
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caseorganic
steal*
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aaronpk
"tantek's code works in both php and javascript at the same time. I'm not saying you have to read it, but it works" -kevinmarks
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kevinmarks: I started making http://noterlive.com work with micropub, but I didn't get it potted from PHP to node yet (twtr.io/iuPnPLQ4QY)
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Loqi
[[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Caseorganic.com * uploaded "[[File:indie-web-camp2014-sf.jpg]]": IndieWebCamp 2014 by @aaronpk http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/03/08/4/indiewebcamp-indieweb-sf Taken 2014-03-07.
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caseorganic.com
edited /Main_Page (+212) "/* IndieWebCamp */ Added photo for IndieWebCamp SF 2014 to the home page!" (view diff)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @pauloppenheim: with a static site of my own, I can sign into http://aaronparecki.com and see a private message for me (twtr.io/iuPwMu1BYG)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @pauloppenheim: I don't have anything on my site. this is like receiving a dm on twitter without a twitter account at all (twtr.io/iuQ0RDVumQ)
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tantek
"what is the smallest thing I could implement that could ping me when I got a private message"
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @pauloppenheim: I'd like to receive webmentions, but I don't have a thing to receive them (twtr.io/iuQ2ob1h6w)
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bear
sorry - talky dropped again :(
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@search8engine
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @pauloppenheim: I don't have anything on my site. this is like receiving a dm on twitter without a twitter accoun… (twtr.io/iuQ5LdK0ks)
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@OhhSocialMedia
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @pauloppenheim: with a static site of my own, I can sign into http://aaronparecki.com and see a private message fo… (twtr.io/iuQ8WdL_cs)
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@OhhSocialMedia
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @pauloppenheim: I don't have anything on my site. this is like receiving a dm on twitter without a twitter accoun… (twtr.io/iuQ8_ECWWQ)
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caseorganic
it's possible, but is it POSSEable?
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snarfed
lol caseorganic
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @pauloppenheim: I can parse the error log of my webhost to notify myself (twtr.io/iuQCQndjZ5)
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bear
ok gang - i'm heading out for the night (2100 here) - thanks for an amazing day and I look forward to tomorrow
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aaronpk
thanks bear!
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snarfed
sorry bear. reloaded a few times
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snarfed
ttyl!
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caseorganic
bear: BYE!
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bear
yep - it's a sign for me to go cook :)
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tantek
good to see you bear!
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caseorganic
it was AWESOME to see you!
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michielbdejong
thx snarfed
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caseorganic
http://meme.loqi.me/4Uye5U2.jpg
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bear
yes, it was great meeting up with everyone today
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michielbdejong
bye bear!
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bear
bye michielbdejong
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pauloppenheim
bear: thank you for your help and inspiration!
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: the next indiewebcamp is April 26-27 in NYC, hosted by the New York Times - we need sponsors (twtr.io/iuQNTLYLUo)
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bear
pauloppenheim - I'm glad you were able to get your code working!
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@OhhSocialMedia
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @pauloppenheim: I can parse the error log of my webhost to notify myself (twtr.io/iuQR87iuaj)
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@OhhSocialMedia
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: the next indiewebcamp is April 26-27 in NYC, hosted by the New York Times - we need sponsors (twtr.io/iuQRDdqQ4G)
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@evanwolf
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: the next indiewebcamp is April 26-27 in NYC, hosted by the New York Times - we need sponsors (twtr.io/iuQWkn_hVL)
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tantek
alright folks we're cleaning up and packing up, will be shutting down the video connection
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michielbdejong
tantek: thanks! was great to follow it a bit from here
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@Liberationtech
Learning about, & deploying, IndieWeb tools http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/ by @DanGillmor (twtr.io/iuQfwXTKbY)
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@tomwiththeweath
RT @Liberationtech: Learning about, & deploying, IndieWeb tools http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/ by @DanGillmor (twtr.io/iuQx60rJFU)
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@kevinmarks
closing demo notes from #indiewebcampsf at http://www.kevinmarks.com/indiewebsfdemowrapup.html - now with clickable links #indieweb #IndieWebCamp (twtr.io/iuR_q9h3XE)
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@martagaba
RT @Liberationtech: Learning about, & deploying, IndieWeb tools http://dangillmor.com/2014/03/08/learning-about-and-deploying-indieweb-tools/ by @DanGillmor (twtr.io/iuRc7Mh5Db)
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KevinMarks_
aaronpk: this build_url function scares me.
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aaronpk
KevinMarks: lol the one that builds the auth URL?
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aaronpk
Or the one that resolves relative URLs
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KevinMarks_
the one that builds the URL, yes. I'm going to use a library function
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aaronpk
Isn't there a function that turns an array into a URL?
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aaronpk
Er, hash
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KevinMarks_
url.format() here: http://nodejs.org/api/url.html
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KevinMarks_
is there some weird PHP order preserving thing here that will blow up if use a js object ratehr than one of those mutant PHP things that aren't quite arrays or hashes?
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aaronpk
Order doesn't matter in URL parameters. Is there a specific line in the php code you're referring to?
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Loqi
[mention] https://snarfed.org/2014-03-08_8320 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (pingback)
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Loqi
[mention] https://snarfed.org/2014-03-08_8324 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/SF (pingback)
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@schnarfed
Pixel, the @IndieWebCamp SF mascot, says thanks for all the talking and hacking and petting! https://snarfed.org/2014-03-08_8324 https://twitter.com/schnarfed/status/442518033127329792/photo/1 (twtr.io/iudHCiXhiC)
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aaronpk
KevinMarks: ohh that function https://github.com/indieweb/indieauth-client-php/blob/master/src/IndieAuth/Client.php#L117
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aaronpk
that's because php doesn't have that built in for some reason
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acegiak
hey here's a fun question: do we consider it poor form to use something other than a picture of yourself for your icon?
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acegiak
oh wait, found the para on that in the wiki page
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acegiak
makes sense
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aaronpk
we're getting to the point that there really is a wiki page for almost everything
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acegiak
aaronpk: I'm super impressed with the wiki
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acegiak
I kind of feel like I'm not contributing because there are things I could be adding but I just don't feel confident adding them
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acegiak
but really I should put them in anyway so at least they're there even if they're poorly formatted
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aaronpk
yes definitely! that's why it's a wiki!
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aaronpk
it's easy to change if needed
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aaronpk
if you're really unsure, you can always add a "Discussion" header, then add a note and sign it with your name (~~~~)
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@esplinr
@windley Does webmention address the spam problem that plagues pingback? (twtr.io/iujd3Xay94)
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Loqi
[[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Acegiak.machinespirit.net * uploaded "[[File:tumblrreblog1.png]]": screenshot of a post on tumblr dashboard hilighting reblog button
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Loqi
[[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Acegiak.machinespirit.net * uploaded "[[File:tumblrreblog2.png]]": screenshot of tumblr reblog window hilighting text comment input field
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@kyle_wm
RT @schnarfed: Pixel, the @IndieWebCamp SF mascot, says thanks for all the talking and hacking and petting! https://snarfed.org/2014-03-08_8324 http://… (twtr.io/iujiy8cr0G)
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Loqi
[[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Acegiak.machinespirit.net * uploaded "[[File:tumblrreblog3.png]]": screenshot showing reblogged post in tumblr dashboard with additional comment
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acegiak.machinespirit.net
edited /repost (+743) "adding tumblr reblog UX flow screenshots and commentary" (view diff)
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acegiak
ok that's done then
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aaronpk
wow cool, yes this is great to see!
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@autiomaa
"POSSE is an acronym/abbreviation for Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere." http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE?utm_content=buffer59ceb&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer https://twitter.com/autiomaa/status/442541553178128384/photo/1 (twtr.io/iumgKhFmmQ)
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edited /icon (+603) "adding self to examples list" (view diff)
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acegiak
aaronpk: should I list whisperfollow on the wordpress page or give it it's own page or what?
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acegiak.machinespirit.net
edited /reader (-42) "updating to point at wiki article" (view diff)
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acegiak.machinespirit.net
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acegiak.machinespirit.net
edited /Whisperfollow (+53) "/* WhisperFollow */" (view diff)
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