#indiewebcamp 2014-04-10

2014-04-10 UTC
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tantek.com edited /FAQ (+209) "add What are the most important things about an indieweb site" (view diff)
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GWG I'm getting into the h-card stuff next
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GWG Although links are still annoying me
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GWG I started playing with custom Wordpress fields.
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gRegor` Re: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/125 I like the concept of querying the source URL, but that seems like it adds a lot of work to brid.gy (or whatever service)
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GWG Why query the source?
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snarfed gRegor`: yeah. i think the biggest initial question is whether to make a separate query endpoint standard, or to extend webmention to support syndicated target urls
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snarfed feel free to chime in on the issue!
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snarfed GWG: did you read the issue?
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GWG Yes
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snarfed ok. what al
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snarfed sorry. …what alternative are you thinking about?
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snarfed to send a backfeed webmention, you need to know the original post's target url, so you need some way to get it from the silo post
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GWG Why can't the source tell Bridgy about things it sent?
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GWG The other way round?
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snarfed ah. sure! that's a third alternative
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GWG "Hey Bridgy, I just sent this source to FB, Twitter, G+...."
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snarfed yup
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: GWG: how would bridgy verify without a backlink?
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snarfed GWG: definitely worth mentioning that alternative on the issue, feel free to add it!
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: good point! maybe we'd allow it if the silo account and source domain had rel-me links
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snarfed lots of stuff like this that still needs thinking through
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gRegor` I don't think FB has rel-me links, though
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gRegor` Question mark
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: so you would need both the original url and a syndication-url to match up
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snarfed gRegor`: no, but you can interpret the links in the "web site" field as being rel-me
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snarfed (fb special case)
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: you need that matching to connect the individual post, and then you need the rel-me links (or whatever) to prove that the silo account is the same as the domain
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snarfed gRegor`: i see the bridgy bug on case sensitive checking for domain names. nice find! i'll file an issue
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gRegor` Hahaha
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gRegor` I was just about to tell you.
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gRegor` You mind reader!
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GWG Bridgy does it now with Facebook. If Facebook doesn't have Rel=me, how do we justify it now?
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snarfed GWG: sorry, i don't follow the question
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GWG Bridgy is verifying webmentions based on the link in the Facebook post, correct? But, if there was no link...there would be no verification, that is the concern?
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kylewm not just verifying, that's how it actually knows who too send the mentions to. No notion of "account owner" built in
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snarfed kind of, but not exactly. bridgy doesn't do any verification at all, at least on the "listen" side. it tries to send webmentions for all responses to all original post links it discovers.
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snarfed it's intentionally "promiscuous"
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tantek there's a website field in your facebook profile that Bridgy could use as well - as a one-off custom rel-me
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snarfed tantek: right! discussed earlier
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snarfed bridgy does extract that and use it for publishing, but not for backfeed.
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kbs snarfed, tantek - missed that discussion - what field is this?
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snarfed website. https://developers.facebook.com/docs/graph-api/reference/user/
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snarfed (btw, careful parsing it, people often put multiple whitespace- or newline-separated urls)
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kbs snarfed: aah. nice, thank you.
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kbs (and look forward to seeing y'all again at sfmozilla, off to the BART :)
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snarfed great!
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tantek.com edited /Facebook (+431) "add rel-me section, lack of support, using their API and "website" field instead, caution about parsing" (view diff)
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snarfed thanks tantek!
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GWG So, bridgy knows My Site and My Facebook Profile are the same due to linking.
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GWG Shouldn't it trust that any identical content on one should be linked to the same content on the other?
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snarfed GWG: for the publish side, yes. for backfeed, it doesn't currently care
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GWG But to create backfeed without a link..
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GWG It would have to
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snarfed GWG: not necessarily. not everyone uses rel-syndication links
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snarfed but yes, one way to implement this is to require rel-syndication links, and then to build a db of connected pages as they're posted, e.g. with PuSH or custom ping protocol or whatever
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snarfed sorry, to answer your specific point, yes, to support this, the backfeed side would need to pay attention to "linked" accounts.
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kylewm and that seems way harder than adding a new rel endpoint for looking up originals from the syndicated url
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: Can I steal your placeholder user avatar?
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snarfed kylewm: probably, yes
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kylewm absolutely kartikprabhu. can't remember where I got it but it was reasonably free of copyright
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KartikPrabhu i blame it on you!
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GWG snarfed: I have a plugin for notifying silos of content...why can't I notify Bridgy, as I asked earlier.
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snarfed GWG: you could! sorry if i was unclear
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snarfed that's what i meant just now. it's definitely doable. we could add that support to bridgy.
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snarfed we're not yet sure if it's the best approach, but it is one option
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kylewm can you just add new rel types? like I'm sure it's possible but is it a bad idea?
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kylewm I wonder if any of you are on the same bart rain as I am :-)
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snarfed kylewm: as long as they don't conflict, sure! why not. and add them to "experimental" section(s) on microformats.org
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GWG kylewm: I'm in NYC, so unlikely
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GWG What rel are you proposing?
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kylewm naming is hard. original-query syndication-lookup ... not sure
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tantek kylewm - you pretty much can - see: http://microformats.org/wiki/existing-rel-values
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KartikPrabhu HWC-Chicago out!
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tantek but better to ask in #microformats
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tantek starting with your use-case - what are you trying to do (presumably with a new rel value) ?
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kylewm rel crush!
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tantek it's already in there in http://microformats.org/wiki/existing-rel-values#formats
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tantek hey dietrich - I'll be in the MozSF room soon to try to figure out setup
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tantek notes we can't use Vidyo
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kylewm oops just went underground. see you in a few
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bret aaronpk: ill try to come to hwc tonight actually, but I might be a bit late
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bret has anyone played with responsive images yet? just landed in chrome
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@gRegorLove First Chicago Homebrew Website Club meeting finished! It's fun meeting #indieweb people in person and working on our sites. @kartik_prabhu (twitter.com/_/status/454061664308961280)
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pdurbin looks at http://responsiveimages.org
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dietrich hm
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dietrich no vidyo
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dietrich hangouts?
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kylewm hmm where does one enter this mozilla bldg
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dietrich kylewm: which city?
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kylewm sf sorry
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dietrich tantek: hangout? skype?
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tantek shall we try hangout?
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kylewm kbs and I are at the door on embarcadero side
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kylewm is this the right place to be? :-)
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bret dietrich: ill be there late, maybe like 7
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bret hopefully sooner
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tantek welcome!
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dietrich tantek: sure let's try it
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tantek steps for server admins: http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/55076/what-should-a-website-operator-do-about-the-heartbleed-openssl-exploit/55089#55089
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dietrich tantek: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7ecpj2c7f0c0lse4bitbgdnf5k
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ben_thatmustbeme ohh, going google hangouts style
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dietrich ben_thatmustbeme: the mozilla video conferencing stuff is offline
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dietrich because heartbleed
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tantek dietrich - having network issues on my hangouts machine
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aaronpk Can someone let me upstairs?
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dietrich aaronpk: omw
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aaronpk Oh no what happened to vidyo?
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aaronpk Thanks!
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tantek aaronpk what do you think? ;)
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aaronpk Aw man.
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aaronpk Ok next time we're using talky and my logitech camera we used at IWCSF
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dietrich tantek: u need a usb mic yo
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pauloppenheim for everyone who forgot: http://tantek.com
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upon2020.com edited /events/2014-04-09-homebrew-website-club (+39) "/* RSVP */" (view diff)
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tantek Evan: there's a comment somewhere about running SSL in a separate process from the webserver
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tantek Evan: http://neugierig.org/
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pauloppenheim evan: http://neugierig.org/
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tantek evan: what is the state of feedreading?
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tantek evan: been working on a feedreader but curious what to do, what's the state of the art?
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tantek brad: bradfitz.com - it's pronounceable
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tantek brad: interested in Camlistore - works on it with Boodman
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pauloppenheim http://bradfitz.com/
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tantek brad: have progress
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tantek ryan: is it like a personal cloud that backs up to other users?
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tantek lonnie rae - don't have a personal website
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pauloppenheim http://parziv.al/
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tantek lonnie rae: we do medical search
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tantek … make sense of medical resources
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tantek … like google meets evernote for doctors
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/aaronpk/452121246939881473/6092342 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (webmention)
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tantek … in closed beta for now
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pauloppenheim (business site, not personal site)
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tantek … scrape several 1000 resources
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tantek … up to 100,000
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tantek … including hubmed
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tantek … learning how to technically translate things I do
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tantek … in order to not rely on technical interpretations
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tantek … working on new launches
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tantek tantek: data ownership has high overlap with medical services
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tantek darius: got a couple of projects. dunlaps.net
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pauloppenheim https://dunlaps.net/darius/
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tantek … wordpress blog
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tantek … was just in the process to move some of this stuff onto a non-profit site called the squarepeg foundation
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tantek … working on a bunch of stuff
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tantek … learning, fiddling
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tantek Aaron Boodman: aaronboodman.com
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pauloppenheim http://aaronboodman.com/
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tantek … interested in data ownership
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tantek … UI developer
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tantek … interested in this because
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tantek … a long list of products I used going away or changing their UI
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tantek … in ways I didn't like
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tantek … had a bunch of data on Buzz that I liked
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tantek … and that data went away
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tantek … really grumpy and started using G+ anyway
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tantek … product kept changing in ways I didn't like
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tantek … started using Flickr
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tantek … product kept changing in ways I didn't like
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tantek … kept wondering why is this happening to me
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tantek … my needs are different than the incentives of the people developing these products
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tantek … original developers are not incentivized to keep working on it that way
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kylewm_ is someone drinking an old fashioned, portland?
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tantek Ryan: snarfed.org - runs Bridgy
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pauloppenheim http://snarfed.org/
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tantek brid.gy
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tantek … priorities for this crowd
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tantek … scratch your own itch
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tantek … then selfdogfood
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aaronpk It's a dark and stormy, and she cannot type right now :-)
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aaronpk (Unrelated)
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tantek … things I'm thinking of working on are for more mainstream people
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tantek … than us
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tantek … not my itch personally, and wouldn't use them
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tantek … but when we get to working on things for more mainstream people
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tantek … how do we reconcile those with scratch your own itch, selfdogfood
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pauloppenheim http://www.kentonshouse.com/
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tantek Kenton
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pauloppenheim http://sandstorm.io/
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tantek … works on sandstorm
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pauloppenheim http://upon2020.com/
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tantek Johannes - j12t
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tantek … upon2020.com
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tantek … news: finally decided to put the stake in the ground and get IndieBox crowd funded
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tantek … mini ITX box
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tantek … slogan: "let's bring our data home"
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tantek … has been running IndieBox himself for his family since 2013-12-25
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tantek … at home
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tantek … entire box being open sourced
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tantek … update all apps with a single command
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tantek bnvk has been working on http://indiewebcamp.com/store
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tantek … hardware because wants a place where the apps actually run
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tantek … without complexity of hosting account, SSL, etc.
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tantek … e.g. this week
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tantek Al Taeber
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tantek (sp?)
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j12t al tabor
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j12t (he typed)
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pauloppenheim http://altabor.org/
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pauloppenheim al: http://outinunder.com/
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tantek Crystal Beasley
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tantek … at Mozilla
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tantek … then doing her own independent project
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tantek … make better clothing that's one-off
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tantek crystalbeasley.com
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tantek Dietrich Ayala
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pauloppenheim http://crystalbeasley.com/
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tantek … met with grad students at U of Michigan
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tantek … about data ownership
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tantek … files and community knowledge
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tantek … in areas of low connectivity
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tantek Crystal
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tantek … is doing a series on drunk cryptographers
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pauloppenheim http://metafluff.com/
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tantek passes around IndieWebCamp stickers
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pauloppenheim http://aaronparecki.com/
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tantek hey portland can you take notes for folks there
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@dietrich Aaron, Aaron and his other brother Aaron. #indieweb https://twitter.com/dietrich/status/454079346362175488/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/454079346362175488)
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pauloppenheim http://bke.ro/
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@dariusdunlap Homebrew Website Club! #indiewebcamp (@ Mozilla San Francisco - @mozsf) http:///login?continue=%2Fdariusdunlap%2Fcheckin%2F5345fdfb498e9ef3af7840fc (twitter.com/_/status/454079367271174145)
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tantek PaulOppenheim.com - interested in private messaging
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pauloppenheim http://pauloppenheim.com/
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tantek Kylewm.com - reached stopping point on his site
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pauloppenheim http://kylewm.com/
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tantek … interested in getting into something else
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tantek … wants to make it easy for other people to do it
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tantek … including himself!
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tantek kb -
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pauloppenheim http://kbsriram.com/
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tantek … likes to tinker
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tantek … interested in private data sharing
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tantek Jade -
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tantek … jadism.com (?)
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pauloppenheim http://www.jadism.com/
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tantek … at some point would like to build a sandstorm app
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tantek Emma
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tantek … right now spends on all time on company website
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tantek … personal website was … in o doctors .com (sp?)
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tantek … endodoctors.com
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pauloppenheim http://endodoctors.meteor.com/
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KartikPrabhu bret: I have responsive images on my site but I use custom javascript to do it. Don't like the picture element
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@dybskiy @dietrich is it too late to come to indieweb mozpdx? (twitter.com/_/status/454082521731330049)
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ben_thatmustbeme i feel like we should do an indiewebhangout at some point
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bret bret.io
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tantek hey portland, we're closing down here in SF
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tantek awesome meetup!
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@dietrich @aboodman #indieweb (what's up sir!) https://twitter.com/dietrich/status/454091624633483264/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/454091624633483264)
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gRegor` ben_thatmustbeme: Google Hangout, you mean?
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gRegor` Or meatspace hangout?
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gRegor` sans computers :)
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ben_thatmustbeme google hangout
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ben_thatmustbeme or any other web video meetup that is
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ben_thatmustbeme for those of us non west-coast people
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bret Implemented deleted post in jekyll via http equiv: http://bret.io/2014/04/09/deleted/
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bret although the post is still in git history XD
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gRegor` Sounds good, ben. Where are you, btw?
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ben_thatmustbeme South of Boston
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ben_thatmustbeme almost in Rhode Island
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ben_thatmustbeme huh, didn't even notice i had several more webmentions that had not processed correctly
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kylewm I tried to "like" your post ben_thatmustbeme
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, i just saw that
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ben_thatmustbeme i was just now working on fixing that mess
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gregorlove.com edited /events/2014-04-09-homebrew-website-club (+1034) "/* Notes */ Added some notes from Chicago meeting" (view diff)
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gRegor` KartikPrabhu: Added some notes off the top of my head. Feel free to add / tweak
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gregorlove.com edited /events/2014-04-09-homebrew-website-club (+203) "/* Notes */" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu gRegor`: looks good!
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GWG I missed more things, didn't I?
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ben_thatmustbeme kylewm, also currently all a mention does is link back to it in the "recent mentions" it doesn't associate with the post yet
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gRegor` In chat, GWG?
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gRegor` KartikPrabhu: Here's the Chicago HTML5 meetup: http://www.meetup.com/chicago-html5/
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GWG Yes
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GWG I keep getting called away
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gRegor` Yeah, Portland and SF had their meetings, so they used chat for notes
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kylewm ben_thatmustbeme: actually that's a cool argument for human centric url design. even though it's just the url you still get my meaning :-)
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kylewm or perhaps that just shows my lack of thoughtful content
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: no timezones in bridgy timestamps?
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KartikPrabhu !tell snarfed: no timezones in bridgy timestamps? default to UTC?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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ben_thatmustbeme kylewm, agreed, actually works out rather nice
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ben_thatmustbeme i'm actually working on loading the proper models for reply posts
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ben_thatmustbeme then just call a generic addComment() function that each model just has to implement for itself, and voila
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@obensource RT @dietrich: Aaron, Aaron and his other brother Aaron. #indieweb https://twitter.com/dietrich/status/454079346362175488/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/454102038436007937)
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GWG I'm trying to figure out this h-entry stuff
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gregorlove.com edited /events/2014-04-09-homebrew-website-club (+0) "/* Notes */" (view diff)
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@ubax @mrmzholland Hey Matt, thanks for the follow. I see that you to are involved in the #indieweb scene. (twitter.com/_/status/454116119046291456)
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tommorris.org edited /why (+620) "/* Avoiding problems */ Personalisation/filter bubble, plus the always entertaining "My TiVo Thinks I'm Gay!" issue." (view diff)
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@ShaneHudson @McCroden @marcoarment You might be interested in #IndieWeb then! http://indiewebcamp.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/454193335889301504)
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@jamesdavidward Which reminds me, I need to get finished posting #CultureCorner for @rebelbreedinc. My hesitation is over whether to go #IndieWeb first. (twitter.com/_/status/454250408257789952)
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@kevinmarks RT @ShaneHudson: @McCroden @marcoarment You might be interested in #IndieWeb then! http://indiewebcamp.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/454254360189366272)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/ShaneHudson/454193335889301504/454254360189366272 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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cweiske oh, so it seems Loqi does parse webmentions correctly
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Loqi dude
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/ShaneHudson/454193335889301504/454258974116700161 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/ (webmention)
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@dshanske I've Joined the Indieweb Movement - http://david.shanske.com/articles/2014/04/10/ive-joined-indieweb-movement/ (twitter.com/_/status/454279411853180928)
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@kyle_wm the scary thing isn't that ive given content to silos, but that ive consumed so much content filtered through them #indieweb (kyl.im n4VW1) (twitter.com/_/status/454283761203429376)
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GWG kylewm: Thank you for the kind words. Still haven't gotten to replies. I have an idea about them
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ben_thatmustbeme GWG whats this?
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@iNarryftolaf RT @t: going to Homebrew Website Club, 2014-04-09 18:30 @MozSF. indieweb: http://werd.io/2014/homebrew-website-club-2 silo: https://www.facebook.com/events/1438031876437815/ (ttk.me t4VU3) (twitter.com/_/status/454291391573549056)
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bret !tell voxpelli I implemented deleted posts using http equivs, at least the delete part: http://bret.io/2014/04/09/deleted/
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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bret i suppose the next part would be to actually work on make it easy for people to support it
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Loqi snarfed: KartikPrabhu left you a message on 4/9 at 8:37pm: no timezones in bridgy timestamps? default to UTC?
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: you mean in the translated mf2 posts, right?
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KartikPrabhu yeah
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snarfed if the silo provides a timestamp, i try to preserve it
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KartikPrabhu aah so twitter just does not do it?
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snarfed but i don't currently look for a timestamp in the user's profile and apply it
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snarfed hmm, it looks like i might actually fail w/twitter
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snarfed looking
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snarfed yeah i drop twitter time zones on the floor :/
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snarfed https://github.com/snarfed/activitystreams-unofficial/blob/master/twitter.py#L825
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snarfed i'll file an issue. any interest in trying to fix it? should be pretty straightforward
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: I'll give it a shot try this evening
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snarfed great!
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aaronpk snarfed: Instagram got back to me
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snarfed !!!
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aaronpk not quite what I expected
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aaronpk they have some better docs and guidelines coming out soon which will explain this, but,
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aaronpk "At this time, the comments API is being primarily being enabled for brand customer service communication and rights management workflows."
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snarfed interesting
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snarfed not what i expected either, but ok
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aaronpk so now I'm wondering how I can turn ownyourgram into a branc management solution :)
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snarfed disappointing, but nicer than "no way, we think you're sketchy, and we're shutting down your api access"
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snarfed oh man, love it
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snarfed yeah spin
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aaronpk I might actually be able to pull that off
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snarfed that would be quite a coup
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aaronpk but in the mean time, I think finding a solution for original post discovery might be a good place to start
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kylewm I am thinking I will to implement a proof of concept with an original-post-query rel endpoint
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kylewm try^
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kylewm query endpoint will take a syndication= POST parameter, and will 310 redirect to the original, if found
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gRegor` I like the idea, but seems like it adds a lot of work to brid.gy. KartikPrabhu and I were talking about that last night.
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snarfed (kylewm: 301, right?)
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kylewm oops, yes
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kylewm I'd love to hear your thoughts gRegor` and KartikPrabhu
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kylewm (and if you'd add them to the GH issue that would be lovely too)
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: issue link?
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gRegor` Sure, I can do that later.
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snarfed so, yet another thought. facebook lets you kind of "hide" the original post link in an action, which we've done with "See Original"
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kylewm https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/125
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snarfed i wonder if there's a way to do something similar with twitter, etc
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snarfed ie semi-hide metadata in a tweet, either via the api or whatever
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gRegor` snarfed: That's what I was saying would be ideal. But Twitter doesn't support metadata that I'm aware of.
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gRegor` Aside from photos, I guess.
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gRegor` Er, and location I guess.
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snarfed gRegor`: yeah, and even then pictures need a pic.twitter.com link
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snarfed ooh, location
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snarfed …sounds like an awesome awful idea :P
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gRegor` Geocode-to-source-url translation!
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kylewm metadata would scratch my itch, but not aaronpk's issue with instagram right?
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snarfed if instagram had a similar way to hide metadata, then maybe it would?
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snarfed or do you mean aaronpk's instagram issue that there's no (official) api for posting/commenting in the first place?
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gRegor` kylewm: without a backlink, brid.gy (or whatever service) would need to post every reply to your query endpoint, right?
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kylewm I'm not sure I understand the IG issue
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kylewm I thought it was that there was no good way to include a post link
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gRegor` I guess once it gets a response 301 it could cache that, but for how long?
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kylewm gRegor`: I was thinking it would cache the endpoint, so it didn't have to discover that again
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gRegor` Ok
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kylewm and that then yes you'd send every reply back to the author's query endpoint, if there is one
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snarfed kylewm: re instagram, you can just include the link as text in the caption. not ideal, but that's the only way bridgy supports
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snarfed re caching, 301 is supposed to be permanent, so bridgy could/should store it forever. (302 is temporary)
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kylewm ohh, and it should be a GET not a POST, huh. so that target=query?syndication=syndicated-copy looks to bridgy just like a shortened url
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snarfed kylewm: oh wow. embedding the query url directly in target is brilliant
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gRegor` Ooh
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kylewm does aaronpk include the link as text in instagram captions? I'm not seeing it
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snarfed kylewm: not yet afaik
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snarfed if you're looking for examples, i have a few: http://brid.gy/instagram/snarfed
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aaronpk I can't because I can't use the comments API
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aaronpk (I did manually for a couple tho for testing)
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aaronpk the whole problem I have is I have no way of programmatically adding content to instagram
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KevinMarks_ given the existing pattern of using photos on twitter to quote longer-than-tweet-length posts, you could POSSE and image that includes the post and a link
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KevinMarks_ do twitter/instagram regenerate the images? You can put urls in image header tags. Or just OCRable stuff in the bitmap
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aaronpk lol!
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aaronpk but KevinMarks_ the problem is instagram also doesn't let you post photos from outside the app
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aaronpk so the only way to get content there is from the app itself
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KevinMarks_ right, but you can run another app that mungs photos in your camera roll
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KevinMarks_ on android you can even make it your default camera
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aaronpk ha
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aaronpk that sounds like too much effort for me on ios
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kylewm love it. I'd suspect that instagram would kill your metadata (EXIF) at least
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kylewm but a watermark or something would be awesome
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snarfed twitter definitely strips location from exif. not sure about other parts
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KevinMarks_ on iOS there are various apps that do this already so you can have non-square images or multicam things
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KevinMarks Rights management works. You can embed a copyright strapline
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aaronpk there's the spin
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aaronpk I want ownyourgram.com to be able to add a copyright notice to people's photos
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KevinMarks Or you could make it look like a slide positive, like some apps do, but put your url instead of a frame number
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aaronpk s/people/brands
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Loqi aaronpk meant to say: I want ownyourgram.com to be able to add a copyright notice to brands's photos
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snarfed ahhh good spin indeed
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snarfed …except that's kinda separate from commenting. how/why would you need the comment api?
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aaronpk embedding the URL in the image is a funny idea
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aaronpk because the notice gets added as a comment
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snarfed oh i see
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snarfed give it a shot!
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aaronpk i probably need to add some marketing fluff copy to the home page first
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aaronpk KevinMarks: that's awesome
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aaronpk so bridgy would have to do OCR for the bottom slice of the image to find the URL from it?
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snarfed (…yeah that's kinda unlikely :/ )
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aaronpk :)
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aaronpk what if that was a separate service
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KevinMarks That's using Vignette on android
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aaronpk heh in order to watermark the photo with my URL, I'd have to make a URL first before the photo actually exists on my site
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aaronpk whee
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KevinMarks POSSE makes sense for brands too (I remember trying to explain this at Salesforce to buddymedia folks)
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aaronpk it totally does!
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snarfed this idea is crazy like a fox
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aaronpk so what's wrong with the rel original discovery idea?
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snarfed (re bridgy, i'm open to OCR either linked in or as a separate service. i'm just a bit skeptical, and i probably wouldn't implement it myself)
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snarfed aaronpk: i don't remember that one. link?
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KevinMarks Google has an ocr api I think
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aaronpk snarfed: where you'd query an API on my site passing in an instagram URL and I'd return the canonical URL
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snarfed right!
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snarfed there was more discussion of that earlier today. we like it. bonus points: if it returns a 301, you can embed the query url directly in the webmention target
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aaronpk oh hah
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aaronpk so in that case the only thing bridgy needs is to know what domain an instagram account is associated with
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snarfed yup, and it already does
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kbs [barcodes? usually easier to extract.]
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aaronpk and it'll have to find the rel service URL
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snarfed right, new protocol and discovery
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aaronpk kbs: I don't think the technicalities of the OCR are the problem...
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kbs ah
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aaronpk it's more like the whole workflow around that
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aaronpk also doing OCR has the benefit of the URL being human readable too
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snarfed all true, but just as one data point, i'd personally lean much more toward the query solution than ocr or barcode, since they seem more complicated and brittle
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snarfed that's just me though
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aaronpk totally
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aaronpk tho I might try to watermark my photos anyway cause KevinMarks's demo one looked neat
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KevinMarks_ that's Vignette, it has very photographic looking filters
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KevinMarks_ I like the idea of using instagram's own schtick of "look like film" as a way to pass POSSE data through
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aaronpk there is something strangely appealing about that
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KevinMarks_ today in Brands Are People Too: http://mashable.com/2014/04/10/twitter-profile-pages-brands/?utm_cid=mash-com-Tw-main-link
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kylewm kbs: heya, I added a PGP fingerprint to my twitter bio ... were you saying that buys me something with Lindy?
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kbs kylewm: yep :) let me pull up the link to the doc that I'm using
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kbs http://indiewebcamp.com/pgp#Authentication -- but basically - add a <a rel="key-fingerprint"> to the tweet from any of your profile pages
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kbs ah, twitter bio - not a tweet. That should be fine to, nothing else to do
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kbs you can also add it to your g+ profile page [more room there] and it will pick it up. (testing ...)
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kbs (Any fingerprints you directly add to your twitter/g+ profile should get picked up during rel=me checking) you can additionally point to a gist or a tweet using an rel=key-fingerprint link as well
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kbs yep :) working
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kbs I'm just in the process of updating a downloadable jar/source, etc - you can play with it directly
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kbs needs java and is a local web-server
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kbs snarfed: [don't think I got a chance to show that it to you
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kbs but if you add your fingerprint to your g+ profile, it'll get added to the card as a validation point]
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snarfed kbs: oh wow. awesome!
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snarfed do you look up keys in a keyserver yet?
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ben_thatmustbeme hmm, i'm trying to decide if i should have notes and posts stored separately in the DB or exactly the same with just a type flag. Anyone see any downside?
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kylewm oh cool, I will try it with rel=key-fingerprint. is the jar somewhere that i can run locally?
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ben_thatmustbeme I'm thinking the only minus would be the URLs would be the same /post/2014/ .... for all of them
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kbs kylewm: yes - give me about an hour - in the middle of fxing a few things
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kbs I'll post a link to all of it
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kbs snarfed: nope. Can't hurt I think, but this was more my random experiment to see whether keyservers could be sidestepped in the indieweb context, where people are identified by one of their profile urls and have easier control over revoking old keys, adding new ones etc
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kylewm I like how the key-fingerprint authentication scheme is basically the same thing reddit does for AMAs of famous people :)
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snarfed kbs: makes sense
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kylewm ben_thatmustbeme: before switching to flat files, I stored everything as the same type in the database and used a post_type field to construct the url
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kbs kylewm: AMAs - oh right, didn't make the connection but yea :)
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kylewm ben_thatmustbeme: my one recommendation is don't let the database define your url structure because you can change the former but you're always stuck with the latter
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kylewm but if post/2014 is what you want, I don't see a problem with it
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ben_thatmustbeme oh duh, yeah, i can actually put the post type in there too
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ben_thatmustbeme that would make things work for /note/ ... vs /post/....
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kbs https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18852638/draft/lindy/lindy.html - updated snapshot of experiment. [mainly to do with keys and verifications etc.]
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kbs kylewm: -> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18852638/draft/lindy/media/img/kyle_wm_big.png
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kbs Probably some subset of you will have root-ca errors :) please try using the root-ca cert and the magic incantation and give it a whirl.
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kbs [and yes, your eyes will bleed if you look at the code, which should be buried safely inside a nuclear waste container ;)]
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kylewm kbs: cool!
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kbs thanks :) was fun to tinker with this - get a better feel for what all the folks are upto, if nothing else.
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kbs s/get/I got/
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Loqi kbs meant to say: thanks :) was fun to tinker with this - I got a better feel for what all the folks are upto, if nothing else.
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gRegor` Very cool, kbs
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ben_thatmustbeme sweet. by the end of this week i might actually have likes, replys, and mentions all working and displaying appropriately
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aaronpk whoa. interesting example of a semi-deleted post
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aaronpk http://blog.erratasec.com/2014/04/why-heartbleed-doesnt-leak-private-key.html
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Loqi [mention] http://datahiveconsulting.com/2014/04/10/indiewebify-me-and-the-knowledge-gap/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/silo (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://datahiveconsulting.com/2014/04/10/indiewebify-me-and-the-knowledge-gap/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/why (pingback)
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ben_thatmustbeme yeah, i noticed that aaronpk when I was reading back through the logs. The guy realized he was completely wrong on the premise there.
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aaronpk yeah the thing he was wrong about was it only dumping from recently deallocated ram
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aaronpk apparently it can actually dump active ram
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aaronpk which means private keys are much more likely to be dumped
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kbs gRegor`: thanks :)
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tantek aaronpk - looks more like an update
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aaronpk kind of, it's like he wanted to delete the whole thing since it says "retracted"
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tantek I interpreted the [retracted] as retracting the summary in the name (and slug) of the post
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tantek good example of when it would be useful to update the slug of a post
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tantek without breaking links
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aaronpk he added this header above the original post: "The incorrect post is below, so you know how wrong I was"
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tantek which made sense
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tantek btw - the one person @MozSF location without a personal domain name last night successfully purchased found/chose/purchased one by the end of the Homebrew Website Club meetup.
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snarfed oh wow. cool!
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aaronpk someone made a reverse heartbleed tester finally
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aaronpk https://reverseheartbleed.com/
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aaronpk to test your https clients
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gRegor` I'm glad that guy retracted. Good example of the dangers of accepting a blog post and not being paranoid. ;)
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aaronpk i'm still not changing my MO for my not-critical stuff
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tantek MO?
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gRegor` Modus operandi? (sp)
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tantek heh
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gRegor` Woo, I spelled it right.
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gRegor` Fancypants for "mode of operation"
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tantek I keep thinking of the cute little dirt cleaning robot in Wall•E
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gRegor` I don't remember that. I should re-watch it. Was his name Mo?
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ben_thatmustbeme 'mode of operation'? not exactly
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ben_thatmustbeme damn, i have to go home but my webmention stuff is not working right... yet
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gRegor` *operating?
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ben_thatmustbeme motive
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aaronpk whatever, you know what I mean
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gRegor` I was just quoting dictionary.com. It's on the internet, it must be true! ;)
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ben_thatmustbeme okay, well i'm going home
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ben_thatmustbeme still angry i had to turn off processing of webmentions... i figure adding 300 mentions from a site is probably not correct
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aaronpk wow did you guys see this? http://datahiveconsulting.com/2014/04/10/indiewebify-me-and-the-knowledge-gap/
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aaronpk a critique of indieweb but from indiewebify.me as the starting point
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aaronpk basically complaining that "it's not ready yet"
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tantek yeah this person sounds like generation 3
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tantek however: "general idea isn’t too difficult for someone accustomed to writing HTML and CSS – microformats2" that's a good sign
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aaronpk yeah
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tantek and hey this is pretty funny, it's a consultant saying, this is too hard for me, don't hire me to do it ;)
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tantek he's admitting to *his* knowledgegap
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kylewm I like "I hope the current model of IndieWebify is an intermediate step towards a simpler adoption pattern that will compete with Apple and Google from a usability perspective."
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kylewm well, not the stuff about Apple and Google...
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gRegor` I think being able to link to a WordPress theme (or several) that are mf2 ready would be helpful.
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kylewm but that it's an intermediate step
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gRegor` I'm sure they're out there
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gRegor` and/or I should make some.
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gRegor` One of the things I like about indieweb is that it seems everyone *is* trying to make it easier
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tantek gRegor`: can you improve upon http://indiewebcamp.com/WordPress#Themes ?
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gRegor` I'll take a look.
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kylewm from talking to GWG, it seemed like there is some confusion about the microformats plugin specifically
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gRegor` I also need to review indiewebify.me. Only briefly used it once or twice
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kylewm (author is a 'she', btw)
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gRegor` As much as I dislike WordPress, I guess I should set up an install to play around with.
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gRegor` Initially typoed "braindumb." It's been one of those days.
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bret word
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bret re datahiveconsulting.com is there another easier way to do cross site discussions we are missing? ;)
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pauloppenheim oh wow
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pauloppenheim re datahiveconsulting: this is the brain damage that startups have done to us
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pauloppenheim because why wouldn't some technology seek Exponential Growth?
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aaronpk wtf happened to twitter profiles
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aaronpk https://twitter.com/swiftonsecurity
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aaronpk why are the font sizes in every other tweet different?
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tantek so good
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tantek I meant the content, not the restyled profiles
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tantek seriously, Twitter design just seriously jumped the shark
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tantek aaronpk, mine is fine: twitter.com/t
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aaronpk mine is normal too
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aaronpk they must be selectively rolling it out
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tantek aaronpk so I'm much more annoyed by the visual noise added between tweets
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aaronpk interesting that they're showing retweet/reply/fav counts now
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tantek they've been showing that in the mobile iOS app for a while
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aaronpk yeah
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tantek but yes, interesting from a "stream view of an h-entry" perspective
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aaronpk heh actually the new stream layout looks way more similar to my site now
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KartikPrabhu twitter seems to be looking more like FB!
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tantek KartikPrabhu: it's a race to a lowest common denominator stream UI
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KartikPrabhu boo!
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gRegor` You guys just discovering the latest FB-ification? That's what I've been complaining about. :)
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gRegor` Tweets different sizes based on their popularity. Oy.
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gRegor` https://twitter.com/gRegorLove/status/453577938214993920
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@gRegorLove New Twitter motto: 140 characters and 1,000 things in the UI to distract you from them. (twitter.com/_/status/453577938214993920)
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tantek gRegor`: aaronpk discovered on this one amazing Twitter profile: https://twitter.com/swiftonsecurity
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gRegor` Yepp
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gRegor` On the plus side, the threshold for making a better indieweb UI just got easier. :)
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KartikPrabhu ooo Science Hack Day Chicago! http://chicago.sciencehackday.com/#theevent
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gRegor` Ooh
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KartikPrabhu this weekend!
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gRegor` Can't make it
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gRegor` You going to participate?
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KartikPrabhu now that I know about it, it is a serious contender for this weekend
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j12t Has anybody written a history of Indie Web Camp? Like how the name was picked etc?
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@hollyherndon Really into this @indiewebcamp POSSE idea. Super simple and feasible, host your own content and syndicate out https://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/454404013350342656)
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kylewm is this a known person^? Digging her music
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@hollyherndon A really clarifying talk about IndieWeb and more here by @caseorganic https://www.youtube.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/454404859794444288)
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kylewm j12t: this is pretty good http://indiewebcamp.com/timeline
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@DIYchurch RT @hollyherndon: Really into this @indiewebcamp POSSE idea. Super simple and feasible, host your own content and syndicate out https://t.c… (twitter.com/_/status/454405680745971712)
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j12t kylewm: great, I missed that one (“history” was about something else). But: that’s all the facts, but where’s “the story”?
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j12t Orally, I’ve heard it a few times, about frustrations with conferences etc
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KartikPrabhu j12t: there is no "the story" specially with so many people involved everyone would have their own reasons for being on IWC. Maybe you want "the stories" of the founders?
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kylewm I feel like I did hear something specifically about why they started the first IWC, curious if that's written down
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j12t Everybody comes at this from different personal histories, I realize that, but somebody some day said “and there shall be a thing and it shall be called Indie Web Camp and it will only have paid marketing speeches” … oops
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j12t kylewm: I have that same feeling
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kylewm @EvilTantek slipped in there for a sec