#indiewebcamp 2014-05-02

2014-05-02 UTC
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KevinMarks applinks broke the web as predicted
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KevinMarks https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10154150445595425&saved
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KevinMarks Lol, there isn't a FB page for applinks.org
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KartikPrabhu oh biy
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KartikPrabhu s/biy/boy!
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Loqi KartikPrabhu meant to say: oh boy!
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KevinMarks hm, I tried to post ti as a vine and it didn't post to twitter
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KevinMarks Did it as a youtube
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KevinMarks http://youtu.be/IChazBFYSSE
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KevinMarks now I want to try making FB do daft things on my site
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KartikPrabhu any one figure out POSSE to flickr yet?
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KartikPrabhu this is pretty old and deprecated: http://indiewebcamp.com/Flickr/Wordpress_Upstream_Posting
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benwerd anyone have any success obtaining an unused (or in this case, suspended) Twitter account?
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gRegor` Good post from a Twitter friend touching on the indieweb: http://jdueck.net/article/a-web-of-small-properties
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KevinMarks applinks also broken on iOS: http://youtu.be/_tDCWsZ4gVI
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KartikPrabhu updated fragmention getting demo: http://kartikprabhu.com/static/demo/fragmention.html
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Loqi [mention] http://gregorlove.com/2014/05/1182/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Homebrew_Website_Club (webmention)
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KevinMarks2 That is similar to the browser plugin, but if you click the link it doesn't scroll with the text
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KartikPrabhu KevinMarks2: I haven't used the browser plugin as I don't use Chrome much.
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KevinMarks2 What do you use, Firefox?
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KartikPrabhu the scrolling is a problem. I haven't found a good fix for it. "position: absolute" doesn't seem to work correctly :|
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KartikPrabhu yeah I use FF
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KartikPrabhu but I want to give a JS option for people who don't have the plugin
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KevinMarks2 Hmm. Wait for Tantek to wake up to ask position advice?
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KartikPrabhu KevinMarks2: yeah or anyone who knows CSS better :)
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: gregor`: any advice on positioning the link element so it scrolls with the selection in: http://kartikprabhu.com/static/demo/fragmention.html
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KartikPrabhu cc snarfed ^^
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gRegor` So it's fixed to where it pops up, basially?
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KartikPrabhu yeah that is because it has position: fixed. but position: absolute makes it popup at the wrong places :|
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KevinMarks2 Are you inserting it inside the element clicked on?
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KevinMarks2 Has anyone posse'd to YouTube?
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KartikPrabhu KevinMarks2: you mean selected?
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KevinMarks2 Yes, selected. Use the same finding code fragmention does to highlight
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gRegor` Sorry, not sure I'm following, KartikPrabhu
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KevinMarks2 And make the new thing a child of that, maybe?
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gRegor` You want it to scroll at the same position as the text, right?
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KartikPrabhu the fragmention link is sitting just on the body. When something is selected the JS moves it to the selected texts position (with some offset)
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KartikPrabhu gregor`: yes. that would be best :)
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GWG Did I miss something again?
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gRegor` Hmm, I'll have to play with it.
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KartikPrabhu GWG: playing with a JS for finding the fragmention of some text. demo: http://kartikprabhu.com/static/demo/fragmention.html
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GWG Fun
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KevinMarks2 Can you look at what medium do?
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gRegor` I'm not sure. Might require a js trigger
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KartikPrabhu KevinMarks2: that's a good idea. though their javascript is very obfuscated and not easy to read. I'll look into it.
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KartikPrabhu gregor`: yeah. i was thinking of some "onscroll" or something...
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gRegor` Though I don't think medium is doing that.
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gRegor` digs in more
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KevinMarks2 I mean do "inspect element" on their popup and see how they are positioning it
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gRegor` Wrap the link in a <div>, make that position: absolute with your left and top position values.
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gRegor` Make the <a> inside it position: relative
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gRegor` Yeah, that's what I did, KevinMarks2. Thanks for the tip
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gRegor` I'd forgotten medium did that.
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gRegor` KartikPrabhu: ^ that method worked for me in Chrome inspector on your site. Haven't tried Firefox, but should be the same.
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KartikPrabhu gregor`: thanks I'll try that :)
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gRegor` Hooked up brid.gy to my facebook. Loving this
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gRegor` it's so cool.
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GWG gRegor`: Have you hooked it to Twitter?
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gRegor` Yeah, it's been hooked to twitter for a while. I haven't tweeted my URLs much lately, since i hadn't written a post since February. :)
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snarfed glad you like it gRegor`!
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: looking
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gRegor` I got my first brid.gy from twitter the other night. And a bunch today when I hooked up FB.
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KevinMarks2 I think I should write a post on the evils of AppLinks
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gRegor` Love how they look right at home among local blog comments: http://gregorlove.com/2014/01/1178/
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: what was the cc for? sorry
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GWG gRegor`: I ask because my current system keeps truncating my tweets
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gRegor` I have not published via brid.gy
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gRegor` Just doing backfeed so far.
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: testing fragmention getting demo: http://kartikprabhu.com/static/demo/fragmention.html the positioning of the Link is not scrolling with the highlighted text. CSS funkiness
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GWG gRegor`: Neither have I. I'm only doing backfeed. Thinking about switching
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GWG I need to find someone who publishes with it
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gRegor` KartikPrabhu publishes with it.
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KartikPrabhu gregor`: your method does not seem to work on FF if you select something that is not on the "first page"
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gRegor` But it does at the top of the page? Hm
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snarfed GWG: i publish with it too
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KartikPrabhu GWG: i use bridgy/publish to POSSE to twittr
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KartikPrabhu gregor`: yeah. it is the same problem i had with position:absolute on the a element itself.
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GWG snarfed: I'm not surprised.
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snarfed GWG: although i don't "post" post often, so i use it more for liking, favoriting, twitter replies and RTs, etc
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KartikPrabhu it seems the "bounding rect" that I use to get positions of the selected text does it relative to the viewport and so absolute does not work
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gRegor` Not sure why the page position would matter... unless the x,y values are based on the viewport not the whole page?
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GWG My current solution keeps truncating my tweets.
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gRegor` Ahh, yeah. I think you might need to add in an "absolute" x,y
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KartikPrabhu GWG: bridgy allows you to preview and not post
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GWG Does it allow you to edit?
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KartikPrabhu gregor`: yup. out of my JS skills at the moment
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KartikPrabhu GWG: not at the moment
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gRegor` I'm too tired to JS right now, but when I'm more awake. :)
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KartikPrabhu sure. np! thanks for testing this out :)
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GWG I may just disable SNAP and try it for a bit and see what happens.
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GWG No one ever seems to say anything to me on Google+ so I can't really test backfeed. I know it isn't a ghost town like people say...but apparently I'm one of the ghosts.
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gRegor` Heh, Facebook changes some text to emoticons, like (y) is thumbs up. But the webmention is just the text.
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gRegor` Don't plan to add icons, though.
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KartikPrabhu KevinMarks2: if I select some text spanning multiple-paragraphs the fragmention.js currently seems to give the entire document as the highlight. Would it be reasonable to restrict it to get the first paragraph. cc: JonathanNeal
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KevinMarks2 ah, yes it probably would. Or the containing element if they're using a bloglike layout
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gregorlove.com edited /webmention (+23) "/* IndieWeb implementations */ now displaying webmentions" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu KevinMarks2: I think it does give the containing element, which in my case is the whole article!
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KevinMarks2 Hmm. That may be an example of a fragmention getting too big
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KevinMarks2 There is a case for just highlighting the found text it in that case?
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GWG If this post I made was published to Facebook, why don't I see it?
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snarfed GWG: the laundry post? yup, i don't see it either. lookingpublished?
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snarfed er, looking
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GWG I had to come up with something to test
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snarfed your user page is usually a good first place to go for debugging: https://www.brid.gy/facebook/100002356503167
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snarfed i see it there at the bottom
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snarfed the "7 minutes ago" link has the log
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snarfed ugh, 500 from facebook's end. they fail often like that. sigh. we've been following it a bit in https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/123
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GWG So, not me.
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snarfed yeah. sorry for the trouble :/
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GWG Trouble?
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snarfed looks like the twitter publish worked though! bottom of https://www.brid.gy/twitter/dshanske
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GWG Yes. Need to make some amendments.
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GWG How do I retry the failure? Or is that not possible?
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gregorlove.com created /User:Gregorlove.com/webmention (+7328) "Moving my webmention implementation notes to a sub-page" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /User:Gregorlove.com () "(-7328) /* Webmention */ Moving my webmention implementation notes to a sub-page" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /User:Gregorlove.com (+67) "/* My site */ add link to new sub-page" (view diff)
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snarfed GWG: you can resend the webmention from your site
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snarfed updating the post should do it
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GWG Oh.
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gregorlove.com edited /User:Gregorlove.com/webmention (-21) "/* Webmention */" (view diff)
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GWG I just manually posted it.
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gregorlove.com edited /User:Gregorlove.com/webmention (+30) "/* Displaying webmentions */" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /User:Gregorlove.com/webmention (+52) "/* Todo */ progress!" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu KevinMarks2: gregor`: fixed it. needed some JS learning. hopefully it works: http://kartikprabhu.com/static/demo/fragmention.html
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gRegor` Sweet. Works for me.
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Loqi [mention] http://kartikprabhu.com/article/concurrence-cooperation linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2013-11-28#t1385702200 (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://kartikprabhu.com/article/concurrence-cooperation linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/IRC (webmention)
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@kevinmarks "@nrrrdcore: We should all be a little more indie web." #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/462096384997351424)
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@kartik_prabhu On #indieweb and concurrence and participation http://kartikprabhu.com/article/concurrence-cooperation (twitter.com/_/status/462096849843658752)
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KevinMarks2 Works for me too, and illustrates the "whole document" problem you mentioned
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KartikPrabhu gregor`: KevinMarks2: thanks for testing :D
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KartikPrabhu also my response to Joschi Khupal is live now: http://kartikprabhu.com/article/concurrence-cooperation feel free to add replies to temper my uncontrolled aggressiveness :)
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KartikPrabhu oh well! I broke Joschi's webmention parsing too ;)
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KartikPrabhu bear: ronkyuu seems to be messing up in finding webmention endpoints from link-headers. here is the full issue: https://github.com/bear/ronkyuu/issues/7 I don't know enough regex to diagnose the problem!
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@DamonOehlman http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths :( #wdc14 (twitter.com/_/status/462108467629527041)
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@ericzanol I’m gonna be honest @wraithgar I didn’t expect your indieweb walkthrough to require this much ranch. (twitter.com/_/status/462108984531369984)
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@MelissaKaulfuss @t talking about why we need to take back control & foster indie web & "visit https://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths if you really want to get depressed" (twitter.com/_/status/462109310613344256)
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: that's interesting. looks like it isn't expecting multiple link values in the same header
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kylewm (the regex just finds the first thing inside angle brackets on the line)
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KartikPrabhu yeah... but I have no idea how to solve it. My regex expertise doesn't go beyond copy+paste ;)
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cweiske I get 4 different link headers
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cweiske not all urls in one
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KartikPrabhu cweiske: with that regex? in ronkyuu?
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cweiske with curl
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cweiske curl -I http://aaronparecki.com/
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KartikPrabhu oh yes! the problem is the regex code is unable to decipher it. maybe there is a better way to do it
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cweiske ah
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cweiske so "link = r.headers['link']" actually does not return an array
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cweiske haha
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KartikPrabhu yeah :(
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@Tablaman Enjoying the presentation by @t on The once and Future of Indieweb #web #wds14 https://twitter.com/Tablaman/status/462110575535734784/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/462110575535734784)
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cweiske it gets even more fun if you put multiple urls in *one* LInk: header
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kylewm oh yeah that's weird, wonder if Requests is munging it into a single header, or if curl is splitting it up
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KartikPrabhu !tell tantek: love the talk title "The once and Future of Indieweb"
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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@MrSpatial RT @DamonOehlman: http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths :( #wdc14 (twitter.com/_/status/462110863327907840)
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kylewm its not beautiful, but you could search <([^>]+)>
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kylewm rel=\"webmention\"
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cweiske which breaks if I add more parameters
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cweiske or don't quote
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cweiske or quote with '
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KartikPrabhu :(
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cweiske I covered all these cases in pear's http2 package
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cweiske see https://github.com/pear/HTTP2/tree/master/tests parseLinks*
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cweiske I mean the edge cases are all listed in the rfc
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cweiske just use the examples as test input
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KartikPrabhu i am playing with using split on the string
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cweiske this will also break
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cweiske I implemented a real parser
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cweiske https://github.com/pear/HTTP2/blob/master/HTTP2.php#L549
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cweiske all characters you're splitting on may be in a quoted value
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KartikPrabhu oh! judas priest!!
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cweiske not speaking of funny things like titles that are encoded in some weird character set
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kylewm this is why i don't get why people are derisive about "JSON hipsters" ... shit used to be so ambiguous
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KartikPrabhu hopefully someone has written a python to so that!!
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KartikPrabhu s/so/do
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Loqi KartikPrabhu meant to say: hopefully domeone has written a python to do that!!
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KartikPrabhu oh Loqi! come on,,,,
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KartikPrabhu should really sleep
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kylewm s/\bso\b/do :)
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Loqi kylewm meant to say: this is why i don't get why people are derisive about "JSON hipsters" ... shit used to be do :) ambiguous
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cweiske </TheBook/chapter4>
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cweiske rel="next"
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cweiske title*=UTF-8\'de\'n%c3%a4chstes%20Kapitel,
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KartikPrabhu like I said regex = copy+paste for me ;)
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cweiske utf-8 encoded german title in a link header :)
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KartikPrabhu oh! boy...
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kylewm looks like this is not a job for regex anyway
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KartikPrabhu yeah, i think so too!
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cweiske you wouldn't do json or xml parsing with regex either
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cweiske s/wouldn't/shouldn't/
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Loqi cweiske meant to say: you shouldn't do json or xml parsing with regex either
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KartikPrabhu cweiske: is it safe to assume that the rel values are comma separated?
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cweiske it's part of the rfc actually
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cweiske but rel values may contain commas
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cweiske wait
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cweiske rel values?
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KartikPrabhu I mean diff. rel values
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KartikPrabhu i.e. "example.com
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KartikPrabhu rel="url", "title"
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KartikPrabhu rel="next",
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kylewm RFC says multiple values are comma separated
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cweiske KartikPrabhu, that'd be rel="url,title"
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kylewm but the values can contain commas internally, i guess that's the rub
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@ryanseddon Totally going to get indieweb setup on my blog. Amazing stuff from @t #wdc14 (twitter.com/_/status/462114572199936000)
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@MelissaKaulfuss Check it & get involved: http://indiewebcamp.com/IRC (twitter.com/_/status/462114624050315264)
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: yup! oh boy!!!
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@rockbot "If you want control of your experience, then you need to own it." - @t #wdc14 #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/462114697001451520)
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cweiske kylewm, can you give a citation?
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@JeffBallweg So much of my content has moved away from my own site and into the silos… I'll seek to stop that in future. Thanks @t #wdc14 @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/462114918846582784)
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kylewm cweiske: that multiple values for the same header are comma separated?
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cweiske no, that multiple rel values in one link header are comma separated
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@literatealittle Excellent talk from @t about the indieweb – digital comics could learn a lot from this #wdc14 (twitter.com/_/status/462115130155610112)
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@MrSpatial "The IndieWeb Wants You!". Great and inspiring closing talk by @t #wdc14 https://twitter.com/MrSpatial/status/462115134593200128/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/462115134593200128)
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@_MattyK_ .@t's #wdc14 talk on @indiewebcamp is giving me webring flashbacks... in a good way (twitter.com/_/status/462115177987461120)
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cweiske multiple rel values are actually space separated
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cweiske http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5988#section-5
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kylewm http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec4.html#sec4.2##Multiple+message-header+fields
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cweiske relation-types = relation-type
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cweiske | <"> relation-type *( 1*SP relation-type ) <">
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cweiske that's what KartikPrabhu wanted IMO
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@plique @t about the #indieweb inspires me so much to give my blog a full makeover with all @indiewebcamp tools & @getkirby - and you should,too! (twitter.com/_/status/462115408460267520)
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KartikPrabhu cweiske: I want to separate all the diff. rels in a link-header
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KartikPrabhu might be saying this wrong
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kylewm cweiske: sorry, I think I am making things more confusing … I wasn't saying rels can have commas, but that URLs can, so just string.split(',') wouldn't be perfect
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kylewm it would cover more cases than are currently covered though :)
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cweiske <foo>
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cweiske rel="one two three"
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cweiske they are space-separated
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kylewm heading to bed. KartikPrabhu you are two hours ahead of me, you should too!
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cweiske <foo>
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cweiske rel="one two three", <bar>
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cweiske rel="two four five"
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: excellent idea! :P
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cweiske multiple links in one link header
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KartikPrabhu cweiske: so multiple links are comma separated?
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cweiske yes
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KartikPrabhu that might be somewhat doable!
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cweiske not with regex
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kylewm the <center> cannot hold
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cweiske ... it would actually be doable with regex, but one wouldn't be able to read it anymore
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KartikPrabhu I'll play around with it. hopefully bear has a some brainwave!
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@lnoogn RT @_MattyK_: .@t's #wdc14 talk on @indiewebcamp is giving me webring flashbacks... in a good way (twitter.com/_/status/462117297209868288)
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@chrisdlangton @t #wdc14 first thing I'll be doing for http://nodewiz.biz #indieweb this weekend. (twitter.com/_/status/462117490420498432)
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kylewm do you guys agree that just splitting on commas is a good-enough solution for all existing webmention-able sites?
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: wouldn't know until I play around a bit
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kylewm i'm curious if anyone but aaronpk actually sends a link header
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kylewm might poke around a little
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cweiske I do
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cweiske cweiske.de, archive.cweiske.de, p.cweiske.de, git.cweiske.de
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cweiske you can simply enable it via apache configuration
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cweiske no need to adjust the html or applications running on the vhost
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cweiske kylewm, http://p.cweiske.de/61
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kylewm cool
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cweiske and you get linkback headers on image files
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kylewm barnaby does too but no webmention in it
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kylewm and benwerd, guess i need to look into it :)
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kylewm still pretty in over my head with nginx configs
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kylewm and knowing where the python server stuff ends and nginx begins...
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Loqi tantek: KartikPrabhu left you a message 38 minutes ago: love the talk title "The once and Future of Indieweb"
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tantek greetings #indiewebcamp! just finished my talk here at Web Directions Code 2014 in Melbourne.
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tantek any new folks show up? :)
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KartikPrabhu tantek: tweets but no actual visitors. hopefully they do
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tantek good evening KartikPrabhu!
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tantek be nice to the new folks, as I know you will be :)
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tantek ooh I should check the archives...
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KartikPrabhu tantek: I'll try :P
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KevinMarks2 Did you see that AppLinks broke just as predicted ?
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tantek wait what? who predicted they would break?
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KevinMarks2 I predicted that they would do unexpected things to users, based on web sites deciding on apps
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KevinMarks2 Turns out Facebook managed to do weird things on the
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KevinMarks2 s/the/their own/
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Loqi KevinMarks2 meant to say: Turns out Facebook managed to do weird things on their own
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tantek signing off IRC. ttyl!
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@_MattyK_ Something new and fun to play with when I get home #wdc14 @indiewebcamp https://twitter.com/_MattyK_/status/462133506802327552/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/462133506802327552)
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@nambor RT @_MattyK_: Something new and fun to play with when I get home #wdc14 @indiewebcamp https://twitter.com/_MattyK_/status/462133506802327552/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/462147510249996289)
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@matthewfellows RT @rockbot: "If you want control of your experience, then you need to own it." - @t #wdc14 #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/462165129354694656)
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kyank waves to all.
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kyank I’m here, inspired by tantek’s talk at WDC14 today, to join in. Suspect I won’t be the only one!
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cweiske hi
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@sentience Rather than going out drinking, came home early from #WDC14 and signed onto the @indiewebcamp IRC channel. Fired up! (twitter.com/_/status/462184589683720192)
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tantek welcome kyank!
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kyank Thanks, tantek. :)
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tantek I decided to bail on dinner and tuck in early tonight. Exhausted!
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kyank Understandable.
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kyank I’m spending the evening nuking my unloved WordPress install at kevinyank.com and paving over it with a simple S3-hosted static site (to begin with).
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Jeena Freaki'n Twitter, it is not as easy as I thought to post a Picture to the twitter api, the biggest problem is that the helper gems for twitter just don't implement it
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@bbinto RT @rockbot: "If you want control of your experience, then you need to own it." - @t #wdc14 #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/462208580377014272)
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@jihaisse @burninghat non, c’est un permashortcitation : http://indiewebcamp.com/permashortcitation (twitter.com/_/status/462213517148708864)
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@laurensbeta RT @kevinmarks: #f8 if you're not sure what Zuckerberg means by "silos" read http://indiewebcamp.com/silo and marvel at his chutzpah (twitter.com/_/status/462233135615598592)
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@EliotBikes More thoughts on #IndieWeb. http://manton.org/2014/04/write_locally_mirror.html (twitter.com/_/status/462239444901167104)
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KevinMarks2 Aaronpk have you seen this? http://tetraph.com/covert_redirect/oauth2_openid_covert_redirect.html
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barnabywalters via @EliotBike’s post (above), here’s rather a nicely laid out lifestream/feed: http://noahread.net/snippets
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barnabywalters might be worth reaching out to them and suggesting microformats2 + permalinks for each “snippet”
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barnabywalters more detail here: http://noahread.net/blog/snippets
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@marihuertas It always goes back to the spaces you actually control. cc @t @indiewebcamp http://www.managingcommunities.com/2014/05/01/facebook-cut-your-reach-google-is-dead-and-twitter-is-over-or-it-always-goes-back-to-the-spaces-you-actually-control/ // ht @leelefever @patrickokeefe (twitter.com/_/status/462253014695178240)
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barnabywalters sounds like this Craft CMS is pretty easy to add POSSE capabilities to
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kylewm I see jinja templates
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barnabywalters kylewm: pretty sure it’s PHP
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kylewm doh, ok
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kylewm {% %} is not the exclusive domain of Python I suppose
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barnabywalters there are a bunch of templating languages which use some variant of {% %} {{}} for template
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barnabywalters s
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kylewm barnabywalters: question for you
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kylewm we were talkin about your /notes/new page the other day. it's micropub right? does that mean someone could post to their site from your UI?
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barnabywalters kylewm: yep!
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kylewm so, say I wanted to try that :) I log in with my domain and then just write something?
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barnabywalters aaronpk has done so (and also from my feedreader), in theory caseorganic and notenoughneon could do so as well
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barnabywalters kylewm: yep, that should work
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barnabywalters you can check the source of the form to make sure it’s detected your micropub endpoint correctly
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barnabywalters it’s not very robust yet due to lack of testing so please go ahead and try it!
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barnabywalters provided you trust me with access to your site of course ;)
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barnabywalters I don’t actually store tokens, but in theory I could
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kylewm hehe, good point
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kylewm so should the form action point to kylewm.com/api/micropub if it found it?
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barnabywalters kylewm: if that’s your endpoint, then yes
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@wraithgar @antic there's a fine line between complaining and wishing. I'll keep that in mind in my next indieweb debriefing post. Thx 4 perspective. (twitter.com/_/status/462259593351942145)
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kylewm ok fun, thanks :) not finding it, but it's only in my html, not the http header. might that be why?
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barnabywalters kylewm: I don’t think I’m looking in HTTP headers
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barnabywalters I’m having a look at my logs
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barnabywalters when you logged in, did the indieauth dialog say that waterpigs.co.uk wanted the “post” permission?
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kylewm yes, it did
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barnabywalters ah yep, in my logs I see
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barnabywalters Request user is {"user":{"name":"kylewm.com","url":"http://kylewm.com"}} []
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barnabywalters [2014-05-02 15:59:46] myapp.INFO: Request has indieauth token [] []
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@brennannovak Why do we need an #IndieWeb ? A 22 yr old told me "making things for the internet isn't worthwhile as it's... http://bnvk.me/0KF (twitter.com/_/status/462260430514053121)
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cweiske I've implemented server-to-server forking with a button click in phorkie. is someone willing to test it? php+pear setup needed
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aaronpk whoa neat
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cweiske it's the dropdown on the fork button on http://p.cweiske.de/98
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cweiske "fork to remote system"
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aaronpk oh interesting
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aaronpk uses the web+fork:// URL scheme?
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cweiske yes
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cweiske http://p.cweiske.de/help allows you to register it
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aaronpk is this just a gist clone right now, not a full git server?
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cweiske it utilizes git-daemon
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aaronpk "git-based pastebin"
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cweiske so you can git clone your pastes
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cweiske although you don't need git-daemon at all if you allow http access to the raw git dirs
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cweiske (with directory index)
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aaronpk did you write phorkie from scratch?
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cweiske yes
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kylewm barnabywalters: it looks like it's getting the request for an access token and sending one back on my end. did your log message indicate that there was no token?
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kylewm (i'm wondering what the []'s mean)
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aaronpk kylewm: whoa you have a micropub endpoint now? when did that happen!
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barnabywalters kylewm: []s?
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barnabywalters kylewm: from my logs it looks like I got a token successfully
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kylewm oh at the end of the log messages you pasted above, there are empty lists, [], i didn't know if that meant there was no token found or something
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barnabywalters got work stuff to do now but will look into it later
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kylewm aaronpk: yesterday :)
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aaronpk kylewm: awesome!
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kylewm barnabywalters: oh absolutely! thanks
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barnabywalters kylewm: thanks for testing!
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aaronpk kylewm: you're generating your own tokens or using my token endpoint?
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kylewm I'm generating my own with PyJWT
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aaronpk cool
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kylewm still kind of shocked that you don't have to store anything...
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aaronpk i know, right? :D
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kylewm but I am hooked up to OwnYourGram now, which is awesome! I didn't want to brag about it yesterday because in my rush to play with it, I was not actually validating that the requests were ok :)
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aaronpk cweiske: are you familiar with composer / packagist? I would love to install the dependencies that way instead of pear :)
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cweiske not as familiar as with pear
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aaronpk kylewm: does that mean this photo came through ownyourgram? http://kylewm.com/note/2014/04/27/2
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cweiske I also plan to distribute a phorkie.phar file with all deps included, but am not at this point yet
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kylewm aaronpk: yep!
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aaronpk kylewm: awesome!
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aaronpk I should really make a thing that alerts me when there are new ownyourgram users :) I had no idea!
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Loqi yea
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kylewm aaronpk: major props for the excellent documentation on there, does a really great job walking you through setting up an endpoint
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aaronpk glad to hear
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kylewm haha yes, snarfed always seems to know when there are new bridgy users :)
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Loqi nice
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barnabywalters aaronpk: you can use composer to install pear dependencies
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aaronpk !
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aaronpk that would make this a lot easier
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aaronpk oh wait I shouldn't add anything new to my server until I finish moving to a new linode
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barnabywalters aaronpk: https://getcomposer.org/doc/05-repositories.md#pear
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aaronpk oh nice ok
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aaronpk cweiske: "Unfortunately, your OpenID is not unlocked." signing in to your site.
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cweiske yes
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aaronpk that is a strange way of saying I don't have access
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cweiske only /me is allowed
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cweiske and a couple of friends
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aaronpk cweiske: also now that i'm signed in but don't have access, I can't actually do anything. visiting http://p.cweiske.de/ redirects me to /new which says access denied
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cweiske you can't write anything
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cweiske because you're not allowed to
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cweiske only /me and some friends are
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aaronpk oh is / not the index page?
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cweiske it is
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cweiske but I configured it to always redirect to /new
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aaronpk oh strange
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aaronpk i see now
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cweiske you can click /list in the top menu though
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KevinMarks today in not being coherent: https://twitter.com/tonysphere/status/462265893922172928
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@tonysphere @kevinmarks you're wrong. We implemented it a long time ago on HLs in our modals. We don't on main page b/c links may not be abt that person (twitter.com/_/status/462265893922172928)
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bret the person might link to their favorite celeb :p
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barnabywalters ugh about.me
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bret the about me model could be a way to increase adoption domain as an identity. who knows if they are interested in that though
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kylewm what is he saying "you're wrong" to?
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kylewm got it
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kylewm https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/462237884330680324
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@kevinmarks @bfeld I tuned my @aboutdotme page a while ago http://about.me/kevinmarks (twitter.com/_/status/462237884330680324)
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cweiske aaronpk, did you try setting up phorkie?
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kylewm bret: I have wondered about that … subdomains as a solution to cost and difficulty of setting up a TLD
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KevinMarks to which I say: https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/462267910602227713
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@kevinmarks hang on, @tonysphere your site is called "about.me" yet you're omitting rel="me" links because they may not be about the person? What? (twitter.com/_/status/462267910602227713)
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bret ideally it would be a domain reg that provides a dead simple h-card
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KevinMarks bret: this is pretty much what the first verision of profiles.google.com was
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bret they would facilitate domain registration?
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KevinMarks no, I meant a dead simple hCard
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bret oh right.
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KevinMarks and a reasonable URL like profiles.google.com/kevinmarks
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KevinMarks [which still redirects]
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KevinMarks though it used the gmail namespace, so people said it "leaked your email address"
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bret oh noes!
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@SteveRudolfi Oooh— IndieWebify.Me - a guide to getting you on the IndieWeb http://indiewebify.me/ (twitter.com/_/status/462280014789373952)
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KartikPrabhu bridgy++ so great to see activity from G+ and Twitter mixing together on my posts :D
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Loqi bridgy has 9 karma
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snarfed thanks KartikPrabhu!
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snarfed yeah the blending in is definitely nice
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KartikPrabhu yup! this is not the first time, but I am always excited when that happens... seems like magic
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GWG sighs
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KartikPrabhu what's wrong GWG?
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: fyi, replied to your ronkyuu issue https://github.com/bear/ronkyuu/issues/7
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KartikPrabhu just got email :)
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GWG I have been coming to the same place for lunch on and off for a decade and they got rid of my table
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KartikPrabhu that's a bummer
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GWG It is not a big thing. But when I need something uncomplicated in my life, a usual table at a pizza place seems achievable
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GWG Especially one near the local Microcenter
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GWG How are you doing? Any excitement?
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kylewm wow, I have not been to a Microcenter since I was a kid
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kylewm they used to have a list of public BBSes they’d give out
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GWG kylewm, it's my go to place when I want something quicker than mail order
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KartikPrabhu GWG: I am good. Worrying about the venue change of a local Happy Hour I organise at the moment... so many changes
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GWG Happy hour for physicists?
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KartikPrabhu GWG: physicists, chemists and mathematicians... as you can imagine it is hard to get all these people to be social and talk to each other ;)
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GWG That why you need alcohol?
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KartikPrabhu haha! maybe :P also it is fun for people who are actually social
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GWG I am an introvert who fakes extroversion
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KartikPrabhu I can go either way, or at least that is what the internet tests tell me :P
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GWG Meyers Briggs?
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kylewm class=”p-x-myers-briggs”
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kylewm i hate those tests
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kbs unrelated random tidbit - xkcd comes true in real life, as it turns out :) https://xkcd.com/1181/ and, https://gpgtools.lighthouseapp.com/projects/65764-gpgmail/tickets/714-false-signature-showing-up-as-signed-in-apple-mail
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GWG kylewm, my employer made me take it
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snarfed kbs++ , that's one of my favorite xkcds
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Loqi kbs has 6 karma
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kbs hopes bearer tokens don't follow the same path :)
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kylewm kbs that is precisely how i validated my first attempt at accepting micropub… got a token? good!
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kylewm it’s better now
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kbs snarfed :-) kylewm :) - think you did better than gpgtools for sure - they have that on their plate since january, with no ETA for a fix
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snarfed i love that the first response on the bug is "i can't verify this signature"
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kbs the funniest meta-thing about that bug report, is that the "signature" is the base64 encoded file of the xkcd
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kylewm i love that, helpful bug report troll
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kylewm.com edited /micropub (+15) "Added section for clients" (view diff)
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kylewm.com edited /micropub (+676) "/* Clients */ added the micropub clients that I know about" (view diff)
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bear @KartikPrabhu commented on Issue 7 also
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kylewm.com edited /micropub (+86) "/* Clients */ clarify" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu @bear: I was thinking dictionary too! seems more robust and neat
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bear yes
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KartikPrabhu i'll play around with it. I did some last night, but afternoon coffee should help the neurons
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bear coolness
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KartikPrabhu bear: would ronkyuu/tools.py be a good place to add the link-header parsing function?
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: was the consensus from yesterday that the rels in a link header could be space separated? as in rel="rel1 rel2" ?
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kylewm yes, space separated. i think cweiske thought i was arguing that, but i wasn’t :)
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: alrighty! thanks will add that to the link header thingie :)
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@olebegemann I love the idea of POSSE: publish your tweets on your own site first, then syndicate them to Twitter. http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/462303970921578498)
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bear KartikPrabhu - yes +1 to that location
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KartikPrabhu bear: already pushed ;)
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bear sweet!
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KartikPrabhu should we account for trailing slash in the rel value in the link headers? like "http://webmention.org" vs "http://webmention.org/" ? cc bear snarfed kylewm
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bear IMO we should normalize the links
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KartikPrabhu but these rel values could be anything like "webmention" or "http..." or "https..." they need not be links
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KevinMarks so FB acknowledged the bug and blamed special-casing twitter
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kylewm looks to me like the rel value for 0.1 was “http://webmention.org/”
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KevinMarks https://twitter.com/ilyasu/status/462255292474859520
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@ilyasu @kevinmarks @Medium it's a bug with stories posted via Twitter. Sorry! Will be fixed asap. (twitter.com/_/status/462255292474859520)
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: yeah that's what i mean. should both slash and slash-less be supported?
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kylewm fwiw, final slash is optional in mention-client-php
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kylewm since it’s there for backward compatibility, makes sense to me to be as lenient as is reasonable
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KartikPrabhu alright... will add that in too...
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aaronpk the rel value is "webmention"
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aaronpk if you want to be thorough, you can check for both versions of webmention.org, but any new sites should be publishing rel=webmention
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bret i was publishing webmention.org for way to long
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bret bad me
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aaronpk yeah I might have it lingering on a few sites too
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tantek good morning (from Melbourne)!
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ben_thatmustbeme wow tantek, what has has you out there?
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GWG Maybe he just likes vegemite?
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bret hi Melbourne!
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tantek haha Web Directions Code
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tantek gave the closing keynote on "The Once and Future IndieWeb"
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ben_thatmustbeme *googles vegemite*
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ben_thatmustbeme i like the title
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bret tantek++ video?
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Loqi tantek has 33 karma
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ben_thatmustbeme how does tantek only have 33 karma?
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek++
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Loqi tantek has 34 karma
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tantek bret, ben_thatmustbeme aww thanks!
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bret let the karma flow through you!
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tantek bret, no video AFAIK
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bret was it well received?
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tantek bret - check it out: https://twitter.com/search?f=realtime&q=%23wdc14%20%28%40t%20OR%20indieweb%20OR%20indiewebcamp%29&src=typd
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bret rad! ton of positive feedback
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ben_thatmustbeme with how much they charge for the conference i'm guessing they won't do videos
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ben_thatmustbeme wow, yeah, thats excellent
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aaronpk that's a well-crafter twitter search URL
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aaronpk tantek++
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Loqi tantek has 35 karma
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bret where should I link to that search on the wiki?
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bret talks?
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bret also this: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/wdc14
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aaronpk oh nice
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tantek hmm - do we have a talks page? perhaps we should!
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bret different than events? or posts?
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aaronpk we have "videos about the indieweb"
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tantek yes different from events, posts, or even videos
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tantek maybe /presentations ?
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aaronpk +1 for /presentations
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bret.io edited /news (+88) "Added link to videos about the indieweb" (view diff)
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kylewm cool notes, those were collaboratively edited by people at the conference?
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bret ok consolodated XXX about the indieweb to the news source page
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bret anyone working on the /presentations page?
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bret I'll take that as a no
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tantek kylewm - yes - I announced the etherpad at the start and people went to town!
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tantek bret go for it!
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tantek be sure to start with copying links from the "Videos about..." page
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tantek pretty sure I linked to a lot of Amber's presentations there, both the videos and her slides
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tantek so that should be a good place to start
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tantek earliest presentation I think was 2012 SXSW on IndieWeb
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tantek then maybe a couple at OSBridge?
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aaronpk do my indieauth talks count? :)
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bret working on it
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bret tantek: was that on may 1st?
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bret yes*
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tantek aaronpk, yes
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tantek bret - 2014-05-02 15:35+11:00
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tantek for a good time: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Eastern_Standard_Time#IANA_time_zone_database
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tantek (and you thought we had problems with Arizona and such)
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aaronpk oboy, getting a whole bunch of pingbacks for oauth.net thanks to the new "covert redirect" story
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bret.io created /presentations (+456) "Stubbed out the presentations page" (view diff)
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bret ok class is starting ill clean that up more later
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aaronpk luckily everyone is discounting it pretty quick
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aaronpk "Don’t let the fancy logo fool you, this threat isn’t as bad — or as new — as you think."
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aaronpk also: "The solution is to require all clients (apps) to use a whitelist of redirect URIs, in order to prevent an attack from a dynamic URI." <- duh
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aaronpk the spec says you have to do this
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KevinMarks I thought the description looked vague
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KevinMarks Christina Warren covered it well: http://mashable.com/2014/05/02/oauth-openid-not-new-heartbleed/
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aaronpk nice
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KevinMarks also it says OpenID when it means OpenID Connect I think
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aaronpk i forget how OpenID handles redirect URIs
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KevinMarks I bet FB eventually do a "fix" for this that involves them getting even more veto over developers
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aaronpk the fix is just require redirect URIs to be registered
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aaronpk github does this already, not sure why they're listed in the chart
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KevinMarks wow, http://openid.net/developers/specs/ lists OpenID as obsolete
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aaronpk github only lets you set *one* redirect URI, which is incredibly frustrating at times
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aaronpk cause you have to make two github apps, one for development and one for production in order to actually test anything locally
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snarfed aaronpk: many sites (still) do that, actually. might be the common case
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KevinMarks isn't twitter like that too?
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aaronpk it's kind of the default naive implementation of redirect URI registration, most sites do that
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aaronpk it's unusual that a service lets you register multiple
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KevinMarks http://openid.net/specs/openid-authentication-2_0.html##OpenID+providers+SHOULD+verify+that+the+return_to+URL+specified+in+the+request+is+an+OpenID+relying+party+endpoint.
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KevinMarks so it's a SHOULD in OpenID 2
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bret "selfdogfood instead of email" not a typo?
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tantek where?
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bret front page
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tantek no that's not a typo
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tantek that's VERY deliberate
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bret ok just checking
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tantek as in, go *ship* something on *your* *website*, instead of *talking* about it on *somebody else's* *email* list.
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tantek it's a highly compressed statement
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aaronpk KevinMarks: ok that's bad then, that should be required
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tantek expressing three counterpoints at once
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bret oohh i get it
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tantek ship don't talk
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tantek your site not others
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tantek yours not others
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tantek web not email
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aaronpk also i'm gonna implement that in indieauth.com next, where you have to "register" your redirect URI by publishing a list of possible URIs on the client's home page
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KevinMarks selfdogfood is an ugly phrase though
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tantek KevinMarks: that makes it memorable
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bret llol
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bret it does
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aaronpk selfchampagning?
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tantek sounds too much like selfchampioning
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aaronpk http://aaron.pk/n4V23
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KevinMarks taste your own cooking
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tantek aaronpk - not sure bikeshedding dogfood is worth the time ;)
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KevinMarks the point is that "Dogfooding" implies you see the users as animals
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tantek and champagne sounds very bougie too
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aaronpk tantek: I prefer the term yak shaving
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tantek KevinMarks: lol. my goodness.
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tantek I thought yak shaving was about endless cleanup?
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KevinMarks I mean historically - I know how you got to selfdogfood
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aaronpk I didn't actually expect to debate this, but now that you mention it
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bret "i dont waaannaa eat dogfodd" :p
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aaronpk I have heard a number of people who dislike the term "dogfooding" and "selfdogfooding" just sounds weirder
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KevinMarks but it is only really comprehensible to someone steeped in software eng culture
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KevinMarks so it's a good cognitive dissonance for the 1st wave indieweb audience
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tantek wait what? since when do security flaws get fancy logos? wtf?
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KevinMarks but less good for further generations
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aaronpk tantek: since heartbleed? lol
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bret i think its fine
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aaronpk i think this guy wanted attention
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tantek KevinMarks: good point
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tantek perhaps make a note of that on the /generations page?
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KevinMarks good place to move the discussion
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tantek lol at Mashable trying to explain OAuth
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KevinMarks Christina is technically competent, not sure why she's still at mashable
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tantek that article lost like 99% of their audience
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tantek and not her fault. OAuth loses 99% of its audience.
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KevinMarks heh
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tantek ok I'm off for a run
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KevinMarks yeah, I need to write a rant about AppLinks that won't lose all the audience
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bret ack, just added a minor link to the news page
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bret hit submit too early and missed the description box
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: maybe you'd like to use thi: https://github.com/bear/ronkyuu/blob/master/ronkyuu/tools.py#L70
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: thanks! looks like the main difference from my current code is that it supports multiple rel values
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snarfed nice
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KartikPrabhu :)
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KartikPrabhu also gives a dictionary which I think is neater
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: curious about bridgy supporting flickr... for both POSSE and backfeed...
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snarfed snarfed: sounds good! definitely doable
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snarfed go for it!
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KartikPrabhu will have to study their API (if any)... trying to convert a friend to indieweb and he posts on flickr a lot
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snarfed https://www.flickr.com/services/api/
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snarfed looks like everything's there
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snarfed first step would be to add it to https://github.com/snarfed/oauth-dropins
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: thanks for the pointer :)
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aaronpk the flickr API is solid
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aaronpk you can get feeds for most things
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KartikPrabhu oh of course there is an Atom feed! I completely forgot and I follow this dude :P
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aaronpk I didn't mean atom feeds
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aaronpk https://www.flickr.com/services/api/flickr.activity.userComments.html "Returns a list of recent activity on photos commented on by the calling user."
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aaronpk https://www.flickr.com/services/api/flickr.photos.comments.getRecentForContacts.html "Return the list of photos belonging to your contacts that have been commented on recently."
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: oh yeah sweet! seems someone has already written a python wrapper for flickr API. http://stuvel.eu/flickrapi cc snarfed
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aaronpk i'm sure there are tons!
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KartikPrabhu gtg now... will dig into this
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: just fyi, for apis that use real oauth2 and json, i've been leaning away from using client libraries, since they're so easy to use without, and i already have so many deps
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snarfed definitely negotiable though
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aaronpk (flickr API is oauth 1)
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snarfed ah, disappointing
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: oauth1 is still pretty easy with requests-oauthlib (which Bridgy already depends on)
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snarfed kylewm: good point
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bret.io uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:Micropub.svg]]""
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bret that didnt work... can i mark that for deletion
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bret.io uploaded /File:Micropub.pdf "draft flow diagram of a micropub client and endpoint interaction"
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bret nope! didnt work either :(
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bret.io uploaded /File:Micropub.png "draft flow diagram of a micropub client and endpoint interaction"
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bret.io edited /Special:Log/upload () "uploaded a new version of "[[File:Micropub.png]]": Removed some text" (view diff)
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bret.io edited /auth-brainstorming (+59) "Updated sketch with omnigraffle" (view diff)
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bret aaronpk: does this look okay?
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gRegor` Since FB has "likes" and Twitter "favorites", maybe I'll just display them in aggregate as "affirms this" :)
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aaronpk "affirmations"?
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gRegor` Or favolikes
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aaronpk favolike++
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Loqi favolike has 1 karma
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gRegor` Haha
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gRegor` I was kidding, but I might do "favolike" just for kicks.
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kylewm gRegor`: lol, http://kylewm.com/note/2014/03/13/4
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gRegor` Hahaha
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gRegor` "co-sign" is so obnoxious, imo
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kylewm yes it is
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gRegor` Up there with "this!"
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bret aaronpk: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/x2nvnao30pp0j1u/Y_c9-te08e if you want to make any changes or just tell me and ill update
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bret do I have to do anything to start using https://tokens.oauth.net/token?
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aaronpk nope lol
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aaronpk just use it :)
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aaronpk and i haven't written docs yet other than the wiki page, so good luck :)
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bret hrmmm...
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bret ill just get the posting side of the endpoint working
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KevinMarks2 "approves to some extent, possibly lots"
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KevinMarks2 +1
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bret "wants more people to see this, but the subject pissed me off"
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gRegor` Bit off-topic, but Glenn Greenwald is debating Michael Hayden live: https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/05/02/livestream-munk-debate-surveillance-greenwald-hayden/ opening statements ending right now.
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