#indiewebcamp 2014-05-18

2014-05-18 UTC
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pdurbin
heh. no I'm not
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pdurbin
but I do work on software in this space... of making data citable, and providing persistent identifiers: https://github.com/IQSS/dataverse
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kbs
aaah - nice
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pdurbin
I think the academic community is generally excited about the zenodo/github thing
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pdurbin
and good on github for supporting science
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kbs
is there a way to structure DOIs so that they can have a top-level part that says - what follows is a git commit-id? :)
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aaronpk
also just made text like [[micropub]] auto-linked to wiki pages in the logs
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pdurbin
so, what we do is allow versions of data. it get's published as 1.0 initially. later it can be 1.1, 2.0, or whatever. but the DOI stays the same
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pdurbin
aaronpk: ah, very nice
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aaronpk
!date 915 148 800
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Loqi
Sorry, I couldn't parse that.
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aaronpk
!date 915148800
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Loqi
Sorry, I couldn't parse that.
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aaronpk
!date 0915148800
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Loqi
That looks like a unix timestamp! 1998-12-31 16:00:00 PST
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aaronpk
technically also 1998-12-31 15:59:60 PST
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kbs
heh
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bret
ok got multipart sort of figured out
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aaronpk
yyaaayy
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bret
what a mess
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bret
good news is I am reminded on how to write my own middleware
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bret
and now am frowning at how I did my code
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bret
I can alwayse refactor later
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bret
aaronpk: would you have any idea why the Content-type from ownyourgram would look like 'multipart/form-data
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bret
boundary=----------------------------fdfb8cc956ae'
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aaronpk
isn't that just how multipart works?
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aaronpk
wait what
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aaronpk
oh yeah
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aaronpk
it's telling you what string to split on to find the parts
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bret
ioc!
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aaronpk
each part will have its own content-type header too
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bret
oic*
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bret
whelp. im out of time
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bret
see ya!
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bret
thanks express for removing a critical building block
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aaronpk
holy crap mediawiki is insane
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aaronpk
but returns helpful error messages which is nice
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post-by-email
uploaded /File:20140518-012140.jpg "Uploaded via email by Aaron Parecki <aaron@parecki.com>"
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KartikPrabhu
it's alive! it's alvie!
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aaronpk
now I just have to make it send back a reply
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post-by-email
uploaded /File:20140518-025032.jpg "Uploaded via email by Aaron Parecki <aaron@parecki.com>"
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aaronpk
whoa it worked?
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aaronpk
heh something doesn't understand the rotation information
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aaronpk
that's irritating
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deleted /wiki "delete to make room for the main wiki page"
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aaronparecki.com
moved /wiki/ to /wiki "now that the server doesn't try to redirect to folders, the page can be called [[wiki]]"
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post-by-email
uploaded /File:20140518-030909.jpg "Uploaded via email by Aaron Parecki <aaron.parecki@gmail.com>"
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KartikPrabhu
is trying to open source his blog-code but is very confused about git submodules!
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aaronpk
git submodules are annoying
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KartikPrabhu
is there a better way to put my blog-code on github if it contains other packages?
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aaronpk
are they available through any sort of package manager? like rubygems for ruby or packagist for php
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KartikPrabhu
they are but I am also using the latest experimental one that I am pushing too
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aaronpk
usually package managers have a way to override where you get them from if you need to point to your own fork
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KartikPrabhu
oh hmm will look into it thanks
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uploaded /File:20140518-031523.jpg "Uploaded via email by Aaron Parecki <aaron.parecki@gmail.com>"
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post-by-email
uploaded /File:20140518-032122.jpg "Uploaded via email by Aaron Parecki <aaron@parecki.com>"
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aaronpk
all done
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bret
KartikPrabhu git submodules are a pain!
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bret
what are you trying to do
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KartikPrabhu
i'll tell you on #indiechat
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GWG
There's an #indiechat?
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GWG
What is that for?
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KartikPrabhu
for random chats
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bret
off topic chat with the community here! :)
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GWG
We have an off topic chatroom?
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GWG
Good to know
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GWG
Why did no one mention this?
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bret
GWG its newish
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bret
and its been referenced a few times
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KartikPrabhu
GWG: tantek mentions it evertime a discussion here gets offtopic and llong
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bret
maybe someone should add "Offtopic? Join us in #indiechat" to the topic
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KartikPrabhu
cc: aaronpk^^
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GWG
I missed it
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@WwwNicolemeagan
"@t: @sil a-ha. Nice side-effect of "just" using HTTP, simple HTML form (no JS) can send webmentions http://tantek.com/2013/258/t2/web-protocols-should-use-http-params-no-xml (ttk.me t4W52)"
(twitter.com/_/status/467950077731151872)
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vasilisvg
When I try to log into the indiewebcamp site I end up in a redirect loop. Any idea if I can solve this? Right now I can’t visit the site with both Firefox and Chrome
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vasilisvg
removing cookies did the trick. I can visit the site now. But I still can’t log in
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KartikPrabhu
vasilisvg: what kind of redirect loop?
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KartikPrabhu
vasilisvg: I seem to be getting that too. Will ping aaronpk
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KartikPrabhu
!tell aaronpk: indieauth on the indiewebcamp homepage is giving some redirect errors
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KartikPrabhu
!tell aaronpk: this happens only on the homepage
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KartikPrabhu
vasilisvg: try it on some other page and that seems to be working strangely
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vasilisvg
KartikPrabhu: Thanks, it works now!
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vasilis.nl
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vasilis.nl
created /Voto (+356) "/* Added a descritpion of what Voto is */"
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edited /Voto (+154)
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@kirilind
All about #indieweb - web that belongs to everyone. http://www.wired.com/2013/08/indie-web/ Looking back to 2001 when openness was common courtesy.
(twitter.com/_/status/467975985724653568)
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Loqi
cweiske: aaronpk left you a message on 5/17 at 8:33am: ok you're right, now you can just press "enter" and it'll sign in with the first
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cweiske
!tell aaronpk - thanks, login is so much easier now
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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cweiske
another problem I have now: Once I'm logged in, I get a redirection loop between Main_Page and /
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@jeena
A nice writeup about how we think the #indieweb can be a success: http://www.wire… more at https://jeena.net/notes/158
(twitter.com/_/status/467980397083901952)
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vasilis.nl
edited /fragmention (+126) "/* Added an implementation with a CSS animation */"
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GWG
I am still confused about webactions
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pdurbin
how so?
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@kevinmarks
“The concept of “going viral” only exists because URLs are universally shareable.” - @mbleigh http://techcrunch.com/2014/05/16/the-once-and-future-web-platform/ #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/468035662512676864)
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Loqi
bnvk: snarfed left you a message 1 day ago: hey, saw you tried bridgy publish! and i saw the facebook failure, looks like you hit https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/123 . sorry about that :/
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GWG
pdurbin: It has the same problem as any sharing button...how do you do it in the best way to make it useful and not clutter?
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pdurbin
looks at [[webactions]]
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aaronpk
what the heck? how did this redirect loop happen
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Loqi
aaronpk: KartikPrabhu left you a message 5 hours, 51 minutes ago: indieauth on the indiewebcamp homepage is giving some redirect errors
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Loqi
aaronpk: KartikPrabhu left you a message 5 hours, 50 minutes ago: this happens only on the homepage
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aaronpk
trying to think what has changed
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Loqi
aaronpk: cweiske left you a message 4 hours, 35 minutes ago: - thanks, login is so much easier now
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tgbrun
GWG: I don't know if I adequately addressed your question to me the other day. I am getting more and more of the indieweb principles implemented on my site. I am doing more to be indieweb 'compliant' than I am posting 'interesting content'. Oh, the choices we make ;). The more I read on indieweb the more I want to do, and the faster I run, the behinder I get. Anyway, If I can get my implementation of webmention validated then
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GWG
tgbrun: What was the URL for the site again?
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tgbrun
GWG: www.tombruning.com
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GWG
I'm working on something you might be interested n.
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tgbrun
I can't wait, I do enjoy working on this, and I am learning and doing something that I do care about.
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GWG
You can try it now, but the styling isn't quite 100%
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GWG
It works with Sempress though
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GWG
Here is an example of what the comment section would look like. I changed the theme to Sempress
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GWG
Sempress overrode somethings.
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GWG
Apparently, pfefferle likes chatheads
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aaronpk
home page redirect thingy is fixed, thanks guys
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tgbrun
GWG: I'll try it out, I am currently in a spot with limited connectivity, but will install it later, I do like the look of it tho. Thanks
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GWG
tgbrun: It needs more look.
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tgbrun
If it needs more look, I'll have to take a work at it
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GWG
I need to craft it so it will best pick up the design of whatever theme it is activated in
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GWG
For example, refresh the page. I changed the theme to the default Wordpress 2014 theme
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tgbrun
GWG: I installed the semantic comments WP plugin. I do like the look of it and it looks fine on my sempress theme.
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GWG
I'm fiddling with the CSS right now.
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GWG
tgbrun: I have some other ideas I might be implementing. This was originally part of my theme.
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GWG
I wrote an Indieweb theme for Wordpress, but I've started ripping out extras.
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aaronpk
come to think of it... I don't even know why i'm storing the IRC logs in a mysql database...
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aaronpk
I don't think I'm getting *any* benefit of it being in a database
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GWG
aaronpk: Only overhead
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aaronpk
The majority of the time I'm querying by channel + date, which is easily done via the filesystem
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GWG
You are better off with static pages. You can always index it even with that
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aaronpk
my IRC client stores logs in files by day, and I've more often used those to search for specific phrases and things because grep is pretty fast
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aaronpk
i guess the one benefit of the DB is that I can insert logs out of order really easily because the indexes take care of querying in order (like importing when Loqi goes offline)
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GWG
What about something like Sphinx?
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aaronpk
i could, but grep is good enough
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GWG
Just brainstorming
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rascul
just gzip the logs and be happy
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rascul
there's zgrep, and you can do the gzip thing in the web server if you want to serve them raw
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aaronpk
why even bother with gzip?
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vasilisvg
I wrote this post about this self hosted photo gallery script I created, and I was wondering if anything is missing, from an IndieWeb point of view: http://nerd.vasilis.nl/voto-self-hosted-indieweb-photo-gallery/
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aaronpk
also props for properly handling paging!
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aaronpk
"If you go to /page/2/ on any active blog on one day, and come back a few days later all content will be different, which doesn’t make any sense." http://nerd.vasilis.nl/voto-self-hosted-indieweb-photo-gallery/##Generating+paged+archive+pages
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vasilisvg
Thanks!
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aaronpk
well something you could add is h-entry markup on your photo pages!
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aaronpk
also rel=prev and rel=next attributes for your paging
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aaronpk
vasilisvg: here's an example of one of my photos http://aaron.pk/n4W11
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vasilisvg
Added h-entry markup. Did I get it right? http://vasilis.nl/voto/oggy/140518170029/
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aaronpk
also http://indiewebify.me/ is a great validator
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GWG
aaronpk: What can I do to get a personalized microformats 2 assessment?
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GWG
I could use one for the plugin I'm testing before I backport it
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aaronpk
GWG: have you run any of the posts through indiewebify.me yet?
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GWG
aaronpk: I'm trying to test the comment markup
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GWG
I don't think there is a test for that there
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aaronpk
i think my comment markup is incorrect right now :/ so you probably shouldn't ask me
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GWG
Just the comment markup, because that is what the plugin does.
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vasilisvg
aaronpk: Thanks!
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GWG
aaronpk: Maybe, but I respect your opinion.
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GWG
I think my coding is subpar, so I'm always convinced something is wrong.
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aaronpk
well that was a weird rabbit hole
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bret
aaronpk ok i have the multipart data in a sane way
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aaronpk
oh good!
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bret
would it be bad to just ignore the file?
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bret
oh wait
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bret
what is the URL of the file name?
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bret
err wait, the file at that URL is sent as the file upload
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bret
i see
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rascul
aaronpk gzip just to cut down on the size
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aaronpk
rascul: yeah, but at like 35mb total there isn't a lot of reason to compress it
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rascul
oh i figured they would be more
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aaronpk
turns out text is small
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rascul
could be nifty to do that sorta thing
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aaronpk
you kind of can `curl http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-05-17 | grep party`
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rascul
not quite as fun that way
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aaronpk
i should make it return plain text when the user agent is curl
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rascul
yeah i was thinking that just now
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Loqi
fo sho
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rascul
well actually you probably might want -s with curl so the progress stuff doesn't get mixed in the output
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aaronpk
the process goes to stderr so isn't included in grep
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Loqi
giggles
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aaronpk
complete with rel=next/prev Link headers
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@PenmanRoss
Heard about Web Mentions on @thewebahead. They look really cool and I plan to implement them at some point. http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention
(twitter.com/_/status/468106204200566785)
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bret
aaronpk: what is the file name from own your gram from IE: 'igML88uf.jpg'
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aaronpk
I think it's just a randomly generated file name
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aaronpk
There isn't a lot to go off of, the Instagram file name is pretty random too
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bret
I'm trying to wheigh the pros and cons of storing potentially many images in a git repo vs asking you for the image url for hotlinking
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aaronpk
You could upload to s3 or something
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aaronpk
I store my photos in the Git repo
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bret
any major drawbacks?
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bret
that you have ran into
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bret
im just going to hack and slash my way to this working
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bret
>:D storing in git it is
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aaronpk
It's probably not a good plan long term to have all my photos in Git, but at least they don't change so there is only one copy in the history
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bret
i figure that one day ill use a totally different software and just keep the raw html for archival purposes anyway
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aaronpk
hack-and-slash++
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Loqi
hack-and-slash has 1 karma
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aaronpk
just registered micropub.net (finally)
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bret
how many domain names do you own?
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aaronpk
you don't want to know
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aaronpk
or rather, I don't want to htink about it
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KartikPrabhu
i thought you'd have a list or something
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aaronpk
i have two lists
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KartikPrabhu
<flips his proverbial wig>
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aaronpk
everything is registred at either namecheap or dreamhost
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KartikPrabhu
aah so you have everything in their admin interface
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aaronpk
the namecheap mobile app is really good, just used it to buy micropub.net since it was faster than on this wifi network
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KartikPrabhu
wonders if he should get krtk.me for short urls
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aaronpk
that's a good one!
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KartikPrabhu
sounds like ttk.me :P
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KartikPrabhu
I am really on the fence about short urls though
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aaronpk
i like them for sending via channels where long URLs would be awkward
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aaronpk
writing down on paper for instance
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aaronpk
bret: I just put up some docs here https://tokens.indieauth.com/ would love any feedbackon it since you're actually using it
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