#indiewebcamp

2014-05-21

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snarfed.org
edited /WordPress (+123) "/* More building blocks */ reply, like, etc. bookmarklets" (view diff)
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snarfed
GWG, pfefferle, acegiak: you all might be interested in https://snarfed.org/indieweb-press-this-bookmarklets-for-wordpress
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snarfed
(cleaned up from a gist i posted a while back)
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pfefferle
snarfed nice! will try it out later!
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pfefferle
is it based on the native press-this?
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snarfed
pfefferle: definitely
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pfefferle
i also experimented with the press-this bookmarklet https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-oexchange
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pfefferle
voxpelli what do you think about the changes i’ve done yesterday?
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voxpelli
pfefferle: Changes to what? The testpinger? I haven't kept up with the discussion really :)
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pfefferle
!tell snarfed I generated a plugin with your js that includes it automatically and adds a „tools“ page with all bookmarklet links… will release it on githup later today and will also add you as contributor…
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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pfefferle
have you disabled the reminders on your git account? ;)
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pfefferle
voxpelli https://github.com/voxpelli/node-webmention-testpinger/pull/3
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voxpelli
pfefferle: I'm not sure :/ GitHub reminders seems to be a bit buggy :/
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voxpelli
pfefferle: Have you asked tantek and sandeep if its okay to include their sites? Or are their sites open source? :)
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pfefferle
good point!
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pfefferle
tantek are you still around?
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pfefferle
!tell sandeepshetty sandeep is it ok for you if we use a testpost of sandeep.io for the webmention testpinger? https://github.com/pfefferle/node-webmention-testpinger/commit/1c7dbd0be888f518b038cbbc8d6cc6ffdc56e67c
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@lionzan
Beware of social siloes! Go for Online Identity Reclamation #OIR #indiewebcamp - FB Letting You Harass People... http://gizmodo.com/facebooks-letting-you-harass-people-about-their-relatio-1578429317 (twtr.io/mYetkFCzj1)
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tigerfinch
Hey all! Was wondering if anyone had any pointers to a good guide to running your own email server.
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tigerfinch
I've been eyeballing this guide using postfix dovecot and mysql https://library.linode.com/email/postfix/postfix2.9.6-dovecot2.0.19-mysql but given the amount of set up needed, was looking for some feedback on what a good setup is
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jonnybarnes
what is email
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Loqi
Email is a decentralized, non-web messaging transport http://indiewebcamp.com/email
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jonnybarnes
have a look at the handling it yourself section
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Loqi
barnabywalters: kylewm left you a message on 5/20 at 2:10pm: I <h1>'ed you here http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4W9KrK/. it was supposed to be a hashtag, I forgot that markdown would change it :)
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tigerfinch
jonnybarnes: cheers will take a look
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cweiske
the indieweb wiki does not have any howtos for setting up an email server
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tigerfinch
cweiske: hmm no, looks like a work in progress. oh well, I enjoy fiddling with this nonsense so will probably just dive in ;)
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@freerange
Friendly reminder that we're hosting an #indieweb homebrew website club tonight. 18:30 to 19:30 at GFR HQ - http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-05-21-homebrew-website-club Come! (twtr.io/mYnmicXJy8)
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@floehopper
RT @freerange: Friendly reminder that we're hosting an #indieweb homebrew website club tonight. 18:30 to 19:30 at GFR HQ - http://t.co/1U9Z… (twtr.io/mYo1RaeQNQ)
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GWG
pfefferle: Did you look at snarfed's thing?
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pfefferle
yes, packed it into a plugin
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pfefferle
will release it later today
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tantek
good morning #indiewebcamp!
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tantek
what's going on with notifix joining/leaving?
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barnabywalters
morning tantek — not sure what notifix is up to
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barnabywalters
we could make it leave and ask julien51
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tantek
in other news, is anyone at decentralise camp?
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tantek
(or know if they have an IRC or Etherpad/)
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tantek
I see adactio is there by his IG
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GWG
pfefferle: I noticed he hardcoded the category numbers.
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pfefferle
ok, haven’t seen that
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pfefferle
tantek can we use the html of one of your posts? https://github.com/voxpelli/node-webmention-testpinger/pull/3#issuecomment-43729881
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GWG
https://github.com/snarfed/misc/blob/master/press_this.js#L11
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pfefferle
GWG oh, you are riight
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GWG
That could be a problem
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GWG
I suppose you could deliberately set to a high number
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pfefferle
i think i remove that part
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GWG
I am bookmarking the work. I may see if I want to do the same thing without the category setting.
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GWG
Bit behind on some things. Day job keeping me busy
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Loqi
snarfed: pfefferle left you a message 6 hours, 10 minutes ago: I generated a plugin with your js that includes it automatically and adds a „tools“ page with all bookmarklet links… will release it on githup later today and will also add you as contributor…
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snarfed
!tell pfefferle cool!!! thanks!
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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ben_thatmustbeme
yay, i have ownyourgram.com working!
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Loqi
yay!
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ben_thatmustbeme
just need to fix some minor issues (like linking back and fixing my css (which is being a butt)
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@mapkyca
#Indieweb Microformats 2 support for Elgg http://www.marcus-povey.co.uk/?p=3105 (twtr.io/mZ4z7h6fdQ)
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notifix
Superfeedr Track Feed for include=indieweb: #Indieweb Microformats 2 support for Elgg
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notifix
http://bit.ly/RUmlPu
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ben.thatmustbe.me
edited /OpenBlog (+57) "/* Current Features */" (view diff)
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ben_thatmustbeme
i always forget to update the notes on what i changed
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adactio
The Indiemark session is about to kick off here at Decentralize Camp in Düsseldorf. Let the games begin!
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barnabywalters
adactio: awesome! how has it gone so far?
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tantek
!tell pfefferle yes, go ahead and feel free to use http://tantek.com/2014/139/t1/ as an example
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek
adactio: awesome!!!
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tantek
any chance you could set up a laptop with talky.io?
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tantek
e.g. just go to talky.io/indiewebcamp
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adactio
https://talky.io/indiemark
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tantek
adactio, is anyone else there on IRC? Etherpad?
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adactio
http://decentralizecamp.com/stuff
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tantek
just got done with my run so I'm a bit messy
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barnabywalters
that’s great, thanks adactio
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adactio
We lost you, Tantek!
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@silentdan
"The IndieWeb is a people-focused alternative to the ‘corporate web’." http://indiewebcamp.com/ (twtr.io/mZ7qLFSS80)
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michielbdejong
tantek: now we see you again, and we have speakers
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yatil.net
created /User:Yatil.net (+16) "Created page with "http://yatil.net"" (view diff)
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tantek
where did it cut off?
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tantek
hi michielbdejong !
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jonnybarnes.net
edited /short-domains (+3) "/* short URL domains */ typo in first sentence" (view diff)
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tantek
adactio: I've muted myself
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adactio
The lag is so bad, I don't think we're going to be able to include you in the discussion. :-(
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tantek
no problem - hence why I muted myself. I'll listen
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barnabywalters
there
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barnabywalters
’s some great notes in the etherpads
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tantek
aaronpk - checkout talky.io/indiemark! they're talking IndieAuth right now!
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aaronpk
hi everyone!
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tantek
adactio - note that each of those things links to a page with a "Why" section that tells you why
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tantek
that's for maciej in particular - who was asking about why microformats
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jonnybarnes.net
edited /short-domains (+370) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ add example of jmb.so" (view diff)
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tantek
barnabywalters, bnvk, indiewebify.me still has that bad CSS problem with cutting off the leftside of the content when you narrow the window :(
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barnabywalters
tantek: this weekend I will get bnvk to let me deploy there, and do some re-styling work
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tantek
it's seriously embarrassing to have such a fundamental styling error
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tantek
when you can't see the content
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tantek.com
edited /IndieMark (+86) "/* Level 1 */ Test your h-entry support" (view diff)
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tantek
adactio i.e. if you're one of those backbone.js or angular.js folks - try again
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tantek
points for search are all or nothing
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tantek.com
edited /IndieMark (+43) "/* Level 1 */ clarify search requires all the points" (view diff)
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tantek
adactio, btw the IndieMark "rings" or axes are inspired by the "RingMark" effort at W3C: http://rng.io/
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aaronpk
brb coffee run
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@jkphl
Trying to have @t & @chloeweil as remote guests of the #IndieMark session @decentcamp #btconf #indieweb https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/469143660135985152/photo/1 (twtr.io/mZ9boBySzC)
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tantek
adactio, yes you can use xmpp in h-card
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tantek
let me get a URL for you adactio ;)
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tantek
rather than have it by "decree"
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tantek
http://microformats.org/wiki/h-card
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tantek
you can use the u-impp property on your links to IM URLs
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tantek
which is based on RFC4770
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tantek
it's standards all the way down ;)
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tantek
adactio ^^^
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@bkastl
RT @jkphl: Trying to have @t & @chloeweil as remote guests of the #IndieMark session @decentcamp #btconf #indieweb https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/469143660135985152/photo/1 (twtr.io/mZ9sty5iAw)
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tantek
adactio - reload!
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tantek
ok
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tantek
adactio: http://indiewebify.me/validate-h-card/
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tantek
lost you again adactio (on talky)
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tantek.com
edited /IndieMark (+64) "Validate your h-card" (view diff)
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tantek
I see you adactio
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@jkphl
If you want to check your site for embedded microdata (not only microformats2), you may use http://micrometa.jkphl.is +@decentcamp #indieweb (twtr.io/mZANimBi0G)
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tantek
welcome back adactio!
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tantek
adactio - pick any two of
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tantek.com
edited /IndieMark (+44) "/* Level 2 */ pick any two of" (view diff)
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tantek.com
edited /IndieMark (+13) "/* Level 2 posts */ implement two or more of" (view diff)
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tantek
adactio - note: Notes are not required for that point
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tantek
adactio - two or more from that list
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tantek
I made it more explicit - reload /IndieMark
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tantek
clarified
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adactio
Got some links to some code (on github?) for implementing POSSE?
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tantek
http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieMark#Level_2_posts
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tantek
adactio - yes - per silo
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tantek
e.g. for how to POSSE to Twitter, see /Twitter
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tantek
for how to POSSE to Facebook, see /Facebook
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Loqi
pfefferle: snarfed left you a message 1 hour, 14 minutes ago: cool!!! thanks!
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pfefferle
!tell snarfed https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-indieweb-press-this
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi
pfefferle: tantek left you a message 43 minutes ago: yes, go ahead and feel free to use http://tantek.com/2014/139/t1/ as an example
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pfefferle
tantek thanks
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tantek.com
created /links (+22) "r" (view diff)
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tantek.com
created /link (+22) "r" (view diff)
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tantek.com
edited /IndieMark (+60) "/* Level 2 posts */ make notes a SHOULD (not required), and add bookmarks for adactio" (view diff)
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tantek
adactio, ok you win. I made "Notes" a SHOULD (rather than a MUST), and added bookmarks (unintentional omission)
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@skddc
Having some fun leveling up our IndieMark scores at @decentcamp with @adactio and @michielbdejong. http://indiewebcamp.com/IndieMark (twtr.io/mZBSNQa0LG)
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tantek
adactio, you never need a separate JSON representation if you support microformats2 - because the uf2 parser gives you back canonical JSON which you can then serve if you wish.
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tantek
adactio, the hack is fine!
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tantek
even semi-automatic is fine!
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tantek
adactio, tell maciej to get on IRC
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tantek
welcome edge226!
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edge226
tantek: hey.
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pfefferle_
voxpelli: https://github.com/voxpelli/node-webmention-testpinger/pull/3
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tantek
adactio, webmention does more than pingback now
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aaronpk
back!
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tantek
adactio, webmention specifies how to do CRUD
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tantek
which pingback never did
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tantek
so you can *update* comments and *delete* them too via webmention
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Loqi
snarfed: pfefferle left you a message 13 minutes ago: https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-indieweb-press-this
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voxpelli
pfefferle: Great! I'll merge it and release a new version later this evening then
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tantek.com
edited /JSON (+567) "make it clear separate JSON representation is unnecessary" (view diff)
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binbasti
suggestion i just made at decentralize camp: add points/requirement for CORS headers so we can parse all that indie data/markup from client-side js apps
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pfefferle
voxpelli: Nice! Thanks
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tantek
welcome binbasti!
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binbasti
hi!
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tantek
binbasti - ooh that's a cool idea! Are you doing this with CORS headers on your own site currently?
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binbasti
i'd like to parse people's hcard and throw it in my #remotestorage from js
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binbasti
yes, i have cors headers enabled
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tantek
awesome, ok let's start documenting this
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binbasti
http://sebastian.kip.pe/
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tantek
add yourself to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people
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ben_thatmustbeme
wow, a lot happened since i looked away
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tantek
adactio, binbasti, michielbdejong note that IndieMark was inspired by RingMark - a W3C thing
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adactio
Sorry about the connection issues. Technology, eh?
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sebastian.kip.pe
edited /IRC_People (+55) "Add Sebastian Kippe to user list" (view diff)
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binbasti
done
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binbasti
will add profile wiki page tomorrow
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tantek
binbasti - awesome
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tantek
by documenting on your profile wiki page how you support CORS on your own site we can go from there to showing others how to do it!
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adactio
I can't believe that point about CORS hasn't come up before—it's a great idea!
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barnabywalters
adactio: that’s true! probably because we haven’t had many people building predominantly client-side #indieweb applications yet
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tantek
adactio - yeah, no one has needed it so far
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tantek
it's an interesting data point about CORS in genearl
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tantek
s/genearl/general
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Loqi
tantek meant to say: it's an interesting data point about CORS in general
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barnabywalters
tantek: temporary fix for indiewebify.me styling problem deployed
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adactio
Right. I've got to head out. Thanks for dialling in — much appreciated.
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tantek
thanks for hooking us up adactio!
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voxpelli
CORS is interesting for static sites as well, like Jekyll, enables much more logic in them
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barnabywalters
are there any security issues with CORS?
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barnabywalters
e.g. can accept only GET requests from other origins?
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barnabywalters
s/can/can I
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Loqi
barnabywalters meant to say: e.g. can I accept only GET requests from other origins?
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barnabywalters
http://www.w3.org/TR/cors/#access-control-allow-methods-response-header looks promising
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tantek
barnabywalters: hence I'm asking binbasti to document how/what he did on his own site with CORS support to help answer questions.
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kylewm
ohhh, I tried to write a mostly client side micropub client and CORS was a real sticking point
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voxpelli
barnabywalters: GET requests can still leak eg. stuff shielded by your session cookie and such – so should be used with caution by dynamic server side sites
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tantek
voxpelli - perhaps you can document that in an "Issues" section on /CORS ?
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tantek
barnabywalters: THANK YOU for deploying that quick styling fix
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tantek
on indiewebify
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voxpelli
tantek: Perhaps the Unhosted community already have some such list - do you know binbasti?
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tantek
that kind of stuff is so important
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barnabywalters
tantek: not a problem :)
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tantek
people will dismiss something if/when it has such obvious visible bugs - because they figure the rest of it must be of even lower quality
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tantek
voxpelli: just virtually met binbasti here in the channel today!
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tantek
voxpelli: I was suggestion you just document exactly what you said in IRC - nothing more
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tantek
if you have a link to a list of more, then yes, add the link too!
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voxpelli
tantek: Yeah, absolutely, just know from hanging out in the Unhosted channel that those guys has spent lots of time working with CORS in all matter of ways
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tantek
binbasti, michielbdejong please pass on that those of us not there in person really appreciated the talky connection and the feedback - and have already made changes to IndieMark accordingly
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tantek
voxpelli: what's interesting is that until today, no one has brought up CORS in #indiewebcamp in any meaningful / necessary way
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tantek
it's not been needed for any real world use-cases that we've come up with
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voxpelli
tantek: true, I'll add something about what I pointed out :)
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tantek
thank you!
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tantek
but binbasti's use-case is a good one - so I'm hoping we get that captured on the wiki and can use it to drive further CORS exploration and implementation / experience
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snarfed
pfefferle: i've linked to your plugin from https://snarfed.org/indieweb-press-this-bookmarklets-for-wordpress . thanks for making it!
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pfefferle
snarfed: i had not that much to do... Thank you for hacking the js!!!
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snarfed
aaronpk: just fyi, looks like the ssl cert on might be unhappy. users probably go to http and won't notice, but the webmention endpoint is https, so webmention clients might notice
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snarfed
(mine did)
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snarfed
aaronpk: …er, the ssl cert on news.indiewebcamp.com
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aaronpk
oh funny
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aaronpk
didn't realize I had an ssl cert there at all
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aaronpk
switched the endpoints to http for now
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snarfed
sgtm
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aaronpk
dietrich: any chance you could send me a photo of one of your wall mount ipads at mozilla?
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tantek
!tell adactio, would appreciate your review of the updates to /IndieMark per the DecentralizeCamp session today and your feedback! http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?title=IndieMark&action=historysubmit&diff=9381&oldid=7063
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek
oops did I just tell would?
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would
what
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Loqi
would: tantek left you a message 39 seconds ago: appreciate your review of the updates to /IndieMark per the DecentralizeCamp session today and your feedback! http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?title=IndieMark&action=historysubmit&diff=9381&oldid=7063
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aaronpk
hah
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tantek
aaronpk - what do you think of the top of http://indiewebcamp.com/JSON (just edited today)
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tantek.com
edited /JSON (+23) "link" (view diff)
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aaronpk
it's a bit strong, but it works :)
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tantek
good morning benwerd!
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KartikPrabhu
oo missed quite a bit from this morning!
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tantek
it was a busy morning!
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tantek
thanks to DecentralizeCamp
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@yatil
@adactio @t so, with indieauth not supporting openid, is openid dead? #decentcamp (twtr.io/mZGZvjiBrU)
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@aaronpk
@yatil @adactio @t You can use https://indieauth.com/ as your OpenID delegate to sign in to the few... #decentcamp http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/05/21/1/decentcamp-indieauth (twtr.io/mZGy8_gLCo)
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brennannovak.com
edited /2014/Guest_List (+400) "/* Remote Participants */" (view diff)
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bret
Nothing in the wiki yet…. anyone have experience with amazon cloud drive?
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aaronpk
didn't even know that was a thing
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bret
been looking for a good alternative to flickr for photo hosting
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bret
amazon aws is reliable it seems, so i wonder if amazon cloud drive would be too
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bret
5gb for free
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bret
10 gb for 20 year
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bret
they have a photo app for mobile too
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aaronpk
huh crazy
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aaronpk
must be a fancy web interface on top of s3
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bret
that sounds pretty cool actually
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bret
I dont trust flickr to not start breaking URLs
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aaronpk
they're good about not breaking URLs or APIs in my experience
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aaronpk
but they've been swapping their web interface out like crazy
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ben_thatmustbeme
very busy morning
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ben_thatmustbeme
hey aaronpk, I got my site working with ownyourgram
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tantek
nice!
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aaronpk
ben_thatmustbeme: awesome!!
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ben_thatmustbeme
still have to get it posting the syndication link back, and the CSS needs a lot of work, but i'm stoked anyway
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ben_thatmustbeme
ben.thatmustbe.me
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bret
aaronpk true! and good on them
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bret
thats also part of my problem. their web interface makes my desktop even slow down
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dariusdunlap
ben_thatmustbeme: Looks good!
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tantek
exciting to have London added to this week's HWC! http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-05-21-homebrew-website-club
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tantek
and by my clock, London HWC should be starting just about now!
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tantek
chrisroos - how's it going?
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chrisroos
Hi @tantek. Err, it's pretty empty in here at the moment.
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chrisroos
I'm kinda hoping @tommorris is heading over but have no idea whether I'm expecting anyone else or not.
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tommorris
chrisroos: oh, damn. I’d forgotten about it.
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tommorris
is the other side of zone 1 at the moment.
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chrisroos
No problemo. It was all very last minute so I'm not too worried if no one shows tonight.
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bret
chrisroos hang in there! PDX has had some small meetings. they are fun in their own way!
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tommorris
I’ve been feeling ill for the last week or so - been working at home so I don’t cough all over people.
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chrisroos
I'm sorry to hear that, Tom.
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tantek
get well soon Tom!
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@voxpelli
@pfefferle And we have a new version of the webmention testpinger: https://github.com/voxpelli/node-webmention-testpinger/releases/tag/v0.3.2 Thanks for the pull request! :) (twtr.io/mZKQJyNfdQ)
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@npm_tweets
webmention-testpinger 0.3.2 https://www.npmjs.org/package/webmention-testpinger A tool to ping your site with a variety of webmention markup (twtr.io/mZKW5fxa8o)
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dietrich
aaronpk: sure
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dietrich
aaronpk: http://share.eye.fi/s/Wm2fEhhxpjl5qQ744vKVLi91U
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dietrich
aaronpk: was in the new space last night for civic hacking!
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dietrich
very nice, good spaces for lots of people
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aaronpk
oh cool! yeah it's super nice
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aaronpk
https://twitter.com/yatil/status/469177810326937601
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@yatil
@aaronpk thank you, this makes sense! (twtr.io/mZMokc_LSg)
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aaronpk
dietrich: that's a nice minimal mount! do you know what it is?
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matthewlevine.com
edited /events/2014-05-21-homebrew-website-club (+67) "/* RSVP */" (view diff)
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dietrich
aaronpk: nope, can ask though
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aaronpk
cool thanks! I want to do something similar here
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KevinMarks_
interesting: https://blog.heroku.com/archives/2014/5/21/introducing_programmatic_builds_on_heroku
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@voxpelli
@pfefferle Added an issue for that: https://github.com/voxpelli/node-webmention-testpinger/issues/4 (twtr.io/mZNhqQUeAw)
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notifix
Superfeedr Track Feed for include=indieweb: week-278
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notifix
http://bit.ly/1lEJflu
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@erinjo
@dangillmor Yes! We're sorry to have missed the April IndieWebCamp in SF. @benwerd and I would love to meet w/ you if you're free sometime. (twtr.io/mZPvFXWWUG)
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KevinMarks_
flickr have already broken some URLs
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KevinMarks_
I had to edit the URLs in this post the other day to work again http://epeus.blogspot.com/2005/10/tags-and-cognitive-load.html
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KartikPrabhu
someone make flicr POSSE for wordpress!
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KevinMarks_
http://photos31.flickr.com/55291032_f1e072ef32_m.jpg went away and I had to switch to https://farm1.staticflickr.com/31/55291032_f1e072ef32_m.jpg
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kodfabrik.se
created /CORS (+2129) "Created an initial start of a CORS page" (view diff)
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aaronpk
oh the jpg url? crap
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KevinMarks_
so other flickr URLs from that era may die too
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KartikPrabhu
KevinMarks_: do they not provide a "persistent" URL that auto-redirects to whatever backend they happen to be using?
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aaronpk
no, that would require a giant mapping of URLs which is the whole reason there are farmN URLs in the first place
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aaronpk
the API also will return the raw JPG URLs given a photo ID, which is close
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voxpelli
ping tantek binbasti – created a CORS-page now: http://indiewebcamp.com/cors
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aaronparecki.com
created /cors (+17) "r" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com
edited /CORS (+1) "e.g. not eg." (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu
does not understand the CORS stuff
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KartikPrabhu
do browsers not allow domains to fetch data directly from another one?
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voxpelli
KartikPrabhu: Nope, would be rather nasty if I could fetch your Facebook stream and find out all of your friends private stuff they have shared with you
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aaronparecki.com
edited /CORS (-12) "rephrase dfn" (view diff)
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voxpelli
If I could do that whenever you visit my site I mean
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KartikPrabhu
but that is behind some authentication
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aaronpk
KartikPrabhu: your browser would send the cookie automatically
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KartikPrabhu
oh! Isee. I visit your site and it somehow will fetch my FB things... understood
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voxpelli
and an even worse case is if you visit my site on your company and I fetch your companies private data of your intranet that only a computer within your office can access – firewalls would be useless then
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KartikPrabhu
any legit reason to do this? I mean what do people use CORS for?
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voxpelli
if you want to make some kind of API on your site usable from javascript on other peoples websites without them having to route it through a server on their own domain
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voxpelli
aaronpk: Thanks for improving it :)
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KartikPrabhu1
voxpelli: for instance: if someone want to retrieve a list of my latest posts using JS on some reader client?
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voxpelli
KartiPrabhu: Yeah, for instance
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KartiPrabhu
o got it! thanks :)
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voxpelli
The Unhosted / remoteStorage communities have been working a lot with CORS API:s to enable self-hosted data storage for indie alternatives to Google Docs and such
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voxpelli
with the idea of you bringing your own self-hosted indie storage with you to all of the different apps you use on the web rather than each app having to store your stuff in their own clouds
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dietrich
aaronpk: brand is sdock
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aaronpk
voxpelli: wouldn't you need to then not use cookie auth for your own site, otherwise you're setting yourself up for that attack that the CORS restrictions prevented ?
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aaronpk
dietrich: awesome thanks!
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voxpelli
aaronpk: yeah, at least for any of the resources that can leak the fact that there's a session set
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voxpelli
as I understand it you can chose to do CORS on just a subset of your site though so one can ensure that those pages aren't session enabled – but a bit risky anyhow
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Loqi
[[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Tantek.com * uploaded "[[File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png]]"
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@andigalpern
Tonight I'm co-organizing "Blog Writing Hour" w/ @indiewebcamp. Stop by @mozsf from 5:30-6:30 for quiet writing time. http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-05-21-homebrew-website-club (twtr.io/mZUFCF649b)
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andicascadesf
oh yay!
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Loqi
woot
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andicascadesf
I haven’t promoted it much, so figured I should say something today.
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andicascadesf
Who is going to be there?
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KevinMarks_
what should I talk about on TWiG today?
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snarfed
KevinMarks: kittens
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snarfed
everyone loves kittens
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aaronpk
i've been in auth-land all week, not sure you want to talk about that tho
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snarfed
KevinMarks: you could mention that tumblr, blogger, and wp.com can now do webmentions
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snarfed
(via bridgy)
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snarfed
not sure if webmention is twig-worthy though
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KevinMarks_
it's on topic for cloud show
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snarfed
regardless, i vote kittens instead
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snarfed
can't go wrong
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Loqi
[mention] http://epeus.blogspot.com/2014/04/fragmentions-linking-to-any-text.html linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-04-16/line/1397696273 (webmention)
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Loqi
[mention] http://epeus.blogspot.com/2014/04/fragmentions-for-poets.html linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-04-22/line/1398233800 (webmention)
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Loqi
[mention] http://epeus.blogspot.com/2014/04/fragmentions-linking-to-any-text.html linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-04-16/line/1397696273 (webmention)
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KevinMarks_
aha, it works
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tantek
KevinMarks: how nerdy can it be?
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snarfed
KevinMarks: that's from bridgy? awesome!
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KevinMarks_
I just hooked it ot my blog
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Loqi
[mention] http://epeus.blogspot.com/2014/04/fragmentions-for-poets.html linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-04-22/line/1398233800 (webmention)
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tantek
so bridgy is sending the webmentions? neat!
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Loqi
[mention] http://epeus.blogspot.com/2014/04/fragmentions-linking-to-any-text.html linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-04-16/line/1397696273 (webmention)
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tantek
oh boy
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snarfed
:P
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tantek
so that's twice so far for each link
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tantek
KevinMarks: are you editing your blog post?
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KevinMarks_
no
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snarfed
could be a bridgy bug
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snarfed
repeated webmentions are ok, but not optimal
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Loqi
[mention] http://epeus.blogspot.com/2014/04/fragmentions-for-poets.html linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-04-22/line/1398233800 (webmention)
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snarfed
actually looks like one for one and three for the other
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snarfed
now two and three
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snarfed
anyway
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Loqi
[mention] http://epeus.blogspot.com/2014/04/fragmentions-linking-to-any-text.html linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-04-16/line/1397696273 (webmention)
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KartiPrabhu
hmm this is getting worse it seems
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aaronpk
webmention.io should be better about not sending repeated notifications to the channel is all
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KartiPrabhu
aaronpk: I noticed that twitter shows "previews" of your POSSEd notes, is that because of twitter cards markup on your site?
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aaronpk
yes
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snarfed
you can follow KevinMarks's bridgy blogger webmentions here: https://www.brid.gy/blogger/3200930#blogposts
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tantek
KevinMarks: re: TWIG - can you bring up that we're still waiting for Google Hangouts to support handling gtalk: and xmpp: URLs per http://tantek.com/2014/084/b1/urls-people-focused-mobile-communication#urls-gtalk
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snarfed
aha. aaronpk, webmention.io is actually reporting failure on that webmention that's repeating. https://www.brid.gy/log?start_time=1400705154&key=aglzfmJyaWQtZ3lyVQsSCEJsb2dQb3N0IkdodHRwOi8vZXBldXMuYmxvZ3Nwb3QuY29tLzIwMTQvMDQvZnJhZ21lbnRpb25zLWxpbmtpbmctdG8tYW55LXRleHQuaHRtbAw
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aaronpk
oh funny!
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Loqi
[mention] http://epeus.blogspot.com/2014/04/fragmentions-for-poets.html linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-04-22/line/1398233800 (webmention)
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Loqi
[mention] http://epeus.blogspot.com/2014/04/fragmentions-linking-to-any-text.html linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-04-16/line/1397696273 (webmention)
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bret
lol
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snarfed
"Data too long for column 'html' at row 1"
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tantek
KevinMarks: in short, the Google Hangouts native iOS/Android apps should support handling "gtalk:" and "xmpp:" URLs
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KartiPrabhu
tantek: I feel Google does not intend to support XMPP in Hangouts or do they?
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tantek
KartiPrabhu: I don't care what they intend. We should ask for what we want.
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KartiPrabhu
fair enough :)
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KartiPrabhu
I don't trust Hangouts anyway. Pretty buggy
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KartikPrabhu
ok finally the correct nick :P
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bret
i dont understand the new hangouts
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bear
XMPP was removed from Google Voice but we (the xmpp folks) are hearing about it staying with Hangouts/GMail - but unsure as they are not very opaque in that area
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bear
err s/opaque/transparent/
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bret
bear, google voice supported xmpp?
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bret
never knew that
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bear
as a way to do backend calls and stuff - yes
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bear
it was leftover from grandcentral
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bret
Hoping the dont shut that off
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aaronpk
snarfed: ok I made it not store the HTML anymore so the next one should work
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bear
grancentral stuff they did
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snarfed
aaronpk: cool, thanks. clicking the retry button now.
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snarfed
doh, retry button is broken. need to fix that :P it'll retry soon
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aaronpk
ha ok
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bear
:)
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Loqi
[mention] http://epeus.blogspot.com/2014/04/fragmentions-for-poets.html linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-04-22/line/1398233800 (webmention)
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Loqi
[mention] http://epeus.blogspot.com/2014/04/fragmentions-linking-to-any-text.html linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-04-16/line/1397696273 (webmention)
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snarfed
aaronpk: nice. the irc webmentions worked. the ones with fragmentions in the urls are still failing, but that's a different issue. https://www.brid.gy/blogger/3200930#posts
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aaronpk
cool. is webmention.io not accepting the URL with the fragmention?
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KevinMarks_
looks like the fragmentions are the porblem
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aaronpk
oh...
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aaronpk
cause it's not a valid URI
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snarfed
log: https://www.brid.gy/log?start_time=1400705891&key=aglzfmJyaWQtZ3lyVQsSCEJsb2dQb3N0IkdodHRwOi8vZXBldXMuYmxvZ3Nwb3QuY29tLzIwMTQvMDQvZnJhZ21lbnRpb25zLWxpbmtpbmctdG8tYW55LXRleHQuaHRtbAw
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snarfed
ahahahah
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aaronpk
so ruby's URI.parse fails
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KevinMarks_
my fault
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KevinMarks_
:(
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aaronpk
lol
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tantek
KevinMarks: you broke ruby!
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tantek
(said in southpark voice)
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snarfed
btw, KevinMarks, did the bridgy blogger signup go ok? any hiccoughs?
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KevinMarks_
worked fine, yes
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snarfed
great, thanks
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KevinMarks_
(I had to use my old google account, which owns that blog)
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KevinMarks_
it only chose one blog though - my main one
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KevinMarks_
though I have some others there
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aaronpk
so... recommendations on how to handle URLs with fragmentions then? if URI parser libraries refuse to parse them...
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snarfed
KevinMarks: yeah, i eventually want to let you choose which blog. feel free to chime in on https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/136 (if you care)
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aaronpk
should I first replace '##' with '#' then parse it? (using the original string when looking for the backlink of course)
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bret
aaronpk maybe extract them before parsing?
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: afaik the python url parsing lib treats "##some+link" as a fragment named "#some+link" then you can further parse the name to see if it starts with a "#"
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aaronpk
the python url parsing lib is conveniently broken then :)
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KartikPrabhu
oh really! it should just ignore those?
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KevinMarks_
you could escape the second #
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: confirmed the said behaviour of python urlparse just now.
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shaners
Hi everybody. It's been awhile.
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aaronpk
waves
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KevinMarks_
hiya
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bret
shaners++
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Loqi
shaners has 4 karma
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aaronpk
shaners: you coming to pdx in june?
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shaners
aaronpk: yep
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aaronpk
awesome!
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bret
woohoo!
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KartikPrabhu
who is shaners?
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KartikPrabhu
hmm aaronpk how about adding that question to Loqi to return userpage of that user?
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Loqi
grins profusely
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shaners
I am @veganstraightedge on silos. iamshane.com
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rascul
what is pdx?
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KartikPrabhu
aah of course hi!
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aaronpk
KartikPrabhu: definitely. add it to http://indiewebcamp.com/Loqi
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bret
KartikPrabhu, shaners helped put on IWC hollywood among other things
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shaners
PDX is Portland's airport code. rascul
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rascul
oh
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rascul
i saw it mentioend and i thought maybe another event that i wasn't aware of! heh
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aaronpk
helps distinguish it from all the other portlands
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shaners
we lovingly call the city of Portland PDX too. Because it's cool sounding.
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bret
pdXtreeme!
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bret
HWC:PDX
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KartikPrabhu
shaners: the first post I saw was "60s Hindi rock 'n roll" ! :P
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bear
@rascul well, in this case, they are using "pdx in june" to be the same as HWC:PDX
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rascul
ahh ok
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rascul
too many acronyms
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aaronpk
IWC:PDX
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shaners
what's the H in HWC, bret ?
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bret
humble
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bret
i mean homebrew
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aaronpk
humble indie web club?
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bret
i get humble indie bundle confused with homebrew website club sometimes
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rascul
now that you said humblw, every time i see hwc i'm gonna think humble website club
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rascul
*humble
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bret
im just being silly, sorry :p
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iamshane.com
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kartikprabhu.com
edited /Loqi (+95) "/* Ideas */ added who is" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: East and West are tied again 7-all!
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shaners
tantek sold out the the best coast for the least! ;)
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KartikPrabhu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZZwT5XJeR0 :P
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nicknotbender
!
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tantek
is more of a bridge to IWC:East
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@caseorganic
Showing students #indieweb concepts at PSU's Computer Ethics Class! (http://caseorganic.com/notes/2014/05/21/1/indieweb) (twtr.io/mZiXyDkSts)
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RT @caseorganic: Showing students #indieweb concepts at PSU's Computer Ethics Class! (http://caseorganic.com/notes/2014/05/21/1/indieweb) (twtr.io/mZipGRzqBC)
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@aaronpk
@caseorganic Awesome! Invite them to Homebrew Website Club tonight! (http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/05/21/2/indieweb) (twtr.io/mZif0mk4dQ)
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GWG
tantek: I think you are more of an attraction to Indiewebcamp East
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KevinMarks_
I think brid.gy just went down
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KartikPrabhu
oh noes!
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KartikPrabhu
hmm works for me!
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snarfed
looks like maybe just a latency hiccough. monitoring doesn't show anythign wrong, and user pages are loading fine for me
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snarfed
e.g. https://www.brid.gy/facebook/724885424
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snarfed
i definitely am seeing slow page loads, and a big short-lived latency spike about 15m ago
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snarfed
yow, actually, traffic surge
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snarfed
someone must have posted it somewhere
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KartikPrabhu
is caseorganic showing off bridgy?
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snarfed
ah maybe
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nicknotbender
she is not
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KartikPrabhu
hmmm
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snarfed
app engine spun up more instances, seems like it's running ok now
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snarfed
traffic graph for last 30m: https://snarfed.org/spike.png . y axis is qps
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KevinMarks_
http://www.kevinmarks.com/fragmentions.html
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JonathanNeal
aaronpk: re: fragmentions, what was learned?
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JonathanNeal
can the ruby parser be updated or did you have to switch to single hashes.
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shaners
JonathanNeal which ruby parser?
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JonathanNeal
aaronpk> cool. is webmention.io not accepting the URL with the fragmention?, so ruby's URI.parse fails
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KevinMarks_
now mentioning known too
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KevinMarks_
Leo Laporte: "i want to change my blog to a known stream"
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shaners
what does that even mean? KevinMarks_
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tantek
KevinMarks mention this: https://twitter.com/orangephoto/status/469170685273579520
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@orangephoto
So @ATT Messaging is easily compromised - single letter twitter accounts are being stolen via exploitation of the service - be careful (twtr.io/mZKG2jwC5L)
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tantek
note that was retweeted by @x
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KevinMarks_
what?
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tantek
also note that https://twitter.com/j has been compromised. It is clearly no longer in the control of Juliette Melton - who was the owner.
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KevinMarks_
what is known?
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tantek
details to follow - but please get that on the air
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KevinMarks_
OK
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KartikPrabhu
shaners: I think KevinMarks_ is talking about known from http://withknown.com/ :)
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shaners
ooooh. Knownâ„¢, not known.
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tantek
summary: if you use AT&T Mobile for your cell service, REMOVE your phone number from your Twitter, Gmail, Facebook, Github etc. profiles
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tantek
say for example, you're using your phone's SMS for Two Factor Auth (TFA).
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tantek
and ESPECIALLY remove your phone number from any profiles at any financial institutions. This is not a hypothetical.
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tantek
KevinMarks ^^^
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KevinMarks_
I explained that you are safe as you don't have a phone number
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GWG
KevinMarks_: I have a bunch of phone numbers
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tantek
lesson: we can't trust the security of phone numbers
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GWG
I don't even know them all
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tantek
oh boy, this is a bad coincidence: https://twitter.com/attdeveloper/status/468755313773281280
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@attdeveloper
Kicking off our Speech & Messaging APIs #DevLab today in #Boston! http://www.eventbrite.com/e/att-speech-and-messaging-api-developer-workshop-boston-evening-registration-11389599599?aff=eorg https://twitter.com/attdeveloper/status/468755313773281280/photo/1 (twtr.io/mWqtB_r71L)
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tantek
that's from YESTERDAY
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KartikPrabhu
wow! AT&T not doing so hot!
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Jeena
and have you all seen http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2014/05/21/support-a-live-tile-for-your-website-on-windows-and-windows-phone-8-1.aspx which is so meaningless, they could just reuse h-feed (or atom)
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Loqi
[[Special:Log/move]] move * Aaronparecki.com * moved [[idno]] to [[Known]]: idno is now Known
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tantek
Aaronpk, I was waiting for benwerd to do that :P
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aaronparecki.com
edited /Known (+17) "idno is now Known" (view diff)
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aaronpk
i'll let him clean it up :)
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benwerd
apologizes :)
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benwerd
I will :)
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KartikPrabhu
Jeena: looks horrible! just use Atom/RSS if not h-feed
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bear
KevinMarks_ - thanks for making it so Leo can mess up my servers ;)
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KevinMarks_
:D
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bear
goes to make a sanity backup of leo's personal server
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KevinMarks_
leo is going to try known
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bear
yea, I'm listening to twig
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KevinMarks_
bear can help...
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KevinMarks_
hehe
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tantek
hah! I have to give props to Path's unsubscribe confirmation page
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kylewm
ha Leo Laporte likes "Idno"
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bear
KevinMarks_ please ask for him to wait for mysql
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GWG
I've seen TWIG. I tuned in after I heard Jeff Jarvis was on it. I had just read What Would Google Do.
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kylewm
bear++, cracking me up listening to him and seeing you write at the same time ("I could probably install Mongo, how hard could that be?")
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Loqi
bear has 5 karma
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bear
:)
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bear
this is why he has his own server
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GWG
KevinMarks_: You've guested on there, I think, also.
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GWG
Sometimes the podcasts in my car blend together
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tantek
bear, that reminds me, I found an OSCon MongoDB coffee mug (actual physical object) while doing some cleaning today. benwerd, you want a MongoDB coffee mug for your work place as a reminder until you finish the port to MySQL?
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tantek
maybe I'll bring it to HWC tonight :D
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aaronpk
ha there's one of those at my office too
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bear
I have about 4 of them in my cabinet
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tantek
"mug of shame"
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tantek
"drinking your own coffee"
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shaners
you need at least two. for replication.
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aaronpk
shaners++
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Loqi
shaners has 5 karma
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bear
shaners++
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Loqi
shaners has 6 karma
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Loqi
[[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Tantek.com * uploaded "[[File:2014-05-21-path-unsubscribe.png]]"
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KartikPrabhu
bear: are you working on known/idno also?
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bear
KartikPrabhu - sadly no - work has me so busy I'm being a bad steward to my current open source projects
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shaners
tantek: did you redact something in this screenshot or is that a part of their design?
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shaners
http://indiewebcamp.com/images/3/38/2014-05-21-path-unsubscribe.png
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bear
but if Leo is going to install it … then I will need to get a crash course in case he has questions
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@mathewi
Talked on TWiG with @kevinmarks about a couple of fascinating IndieWeb tools, including brid.gy and Fragmentions: http://www.kevinmarks.com/fragmentions.html (twtr.io/mZnk80jSx5)
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tantek
just wait for the wiki edit shaners :P
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shaners
ok ok
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tantek.com
edited /Path (+437) "Unsubscribe Confirmation Page" (view diff)
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tantek.com
edited /Path (+4) "/* UI */ path.com" (view diff)
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aaronpk
lol someone had fun with that
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tantek
aaronpk - my reaction exactly, hence I felt it worth documenting.
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tantek
hey look, a silo did something clever!
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tantek
that kind of thing
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tantek
what the screenshot doesn't capture is that the blue and red segments are actually animated, as if they're lightcycles from a birds eye view
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@manojpallai
RT @mathewi: Talked on TWiG with @kevinmarks about a couple of fascinating IndieWeb tools, including brid.gy and Fragmentions: http://t.co/… (twtr.io/mZnvUpVPV4)
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aaronpk
oh!
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aaronpk
i can make an animated gif
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tantek.com
edited /Path (+99) "/* Unsubscribe Confirmation Page */ lightcycles from a birds eye view." (view diff)
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iamshane.com
edited /Main_Page (-2) "changed mywebsite.com/ideas to example.com/ideas because mywebsite.com is a real website that we don't control." (view diff)
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aaronpk
thanks shaners
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shaners
👍
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tantek
hey at least it's a hosting provider ;)
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tantek
redirects to http://website.1and1.com/#top
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tantek
aaronpk - reloading the unsub page restarts the animation
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shaners
going for walk
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GWG
snarfed: Skimming here...Can you handle the cost of traffic if the audience of TWIG/TWIT/etc jumps onboard?
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KartikPrabhu
so much for Google+ not allowing post API to prevent spam! The Python community has been getting tons of advertising spam for "pretty looking tech-savvy ladies"
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KartikPrabhu
s/for/from
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tantek
well that's a turnabout of sorts, pythons getting tempted by ...
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Loqi
KartikPrabhu meant to say: so much from Google+ not allowing post API to prevent spam! The Python community has been getting tons of advertising spam from "pretty looking tech-savvy ladies"
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KartikPrabhu
WTH myself...
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snarfed
GWG: short answer, yes
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tantek.com
edited /Path (+44) "/* Unsubscribe Confirmation Page */ Reloading" (view diff)
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snarfed
longer answer, traffic spikes don't cost much thanks to cloud computing, etc
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snarfed
i appreciate the concern though
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snarfed
i accept donations in the form of pull requests!
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tantek
nice
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bear
snarfed++
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Loqi
snarfed has 25 karma
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KartikPrabhu
snarfed++ on PR donations
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Loqi
snarfed has 26 karma
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Loqi
[[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Aaronparecki.com * uploaded "[[File:2014-05-21-path-unsubscribe.gif]]"
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aaronpk
tantek: for you :) http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-path-unsubscribe.gif
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tantek
so good!
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tantek
pleased by to add to /Path !
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tantek
as in please do so! :)
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snarfed
GWG: https://www.brid.gy/about#cost
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kylewm
snarfed: is API throttling likely to be the bigger bottleneck if a bunch of people signed up en masse?
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snarfed
kylewm: interesting question, but no. total api usage is domainated by the poll-every-15m part, not by new user signups
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snarfed
if total # of users jumped by, say, 5x, i'd hit the g+ quota, but fb, tw, and ig should be fine
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snarfed
(and i can fix g+ by dropping the poll frequency)
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kylewm
i guess pretty simple for twitter at least, 250 requests every 15 minutes means you can support 250 users
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snarfed
it uses a few different twitter api call types, in different rate limiting buckets, but it watches for the "rate limited" http response codes and backs off
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snarfed
for a little side project, bridgy is maybe a bit overengineered
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snarfed
:P
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aaronpk
that's awesome
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@t
Twitter @Safety vulnerability! If cell service @ATT, REMOVE phone# in profile @x @j compromised http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (ttk.me t4WB1) (twtr.io/mZp_eJFaxs)
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tantek
well I guess I know what I'm blogging about during tonight's Writing Hour
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@steveklabnik
RT @t: Twitter @Safety vulnerability! If cell service @ATT, REMOVE phone# in profile @x @j compromised http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (ttk.me t4WB1) (twtr.io/mZpev6jVeC)
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@matthewmspace
RT @t: Twitter @Safety vulnerability! If cell service @ATT, REMOVE phone# in profile @x @j compromised http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (ttk.me t4WB1) (twtr.io/mZpgFRz3FC)
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tantek
(sorry guys, this might blow up)
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@dshaw
RT @t: Twitter @Safety vulnerability! If cell service @ATT, REMOVE phone# in profile @x @j compromised http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (ttk.me t4WB1) (twtr.io/mZpifuSFPj)
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aaronpk
oboy
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@bbhoss
RT @t: Twitter @Safety vulnerability! If cell service @ATT, REMOVE phone# in profile @x @j compromised http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (ttk.me t4WB1) (twtr.io/mZpjoaigDb)
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aaronpk
holds on to the wiki
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tantek
notes that Twitter @Safety have 1) said NOTHING about it on their tweet stream, and 2) have not restored @j. And they've had hours to do so.
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snarfed
what else could they possibly have to do?!?
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snarfed
(kidding :P)
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KartikPrabhu
tantek: have the hackers done things other than lock/delete tweets?
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@yaauie
RT @t: Twitter @Safety vulnerability! If cell service @ATT, REMOVE phone# in profile @x @j compromised http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (ttk.me t4WB1) (twtr.io/mZq7418hA9)
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tantek
KartikPrabhu: financial accounts have been compromised.
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tantek
this is not "just" a twitter problem
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tantek
it's an AT&T cell service problem
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KartikPrabhu
aah so it is pretty bad then
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tantek
and ATT is being unresponsive to @j
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KartikPrabhu
not surprised by ATT unresponsiveness
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tantek
and they've been given HOURS to show ANY progress. Which they have not. So, now it's time to go public and blow this up.
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aaronpk
have they tried reporting it to AT&T security?
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tantek
aaronpk - AT&T asked for a police report of identity theft
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aaronpk
oh jeez
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tantek
which police only do … in person (for obvious reasons)
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aaronpk
was that through customer service or something tho? seems like getting in touch with the security side would have different results
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@istx25
RT @t: Twitter @Safety vulnerability! If cell service @ATT, REMOVE phone# in profile @x @j compromised http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (ttk.me t4WB1) (twtr.io/mZqJLq9pDb)
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@MCECSpdx
Thanks for coming! RT @caseorganic Showing students #indieweb concepts at PSU's Computer Ethics Class! (http://caseorganic.com/notes/2014/05/21/1/indieweb ) (twtr.io/mZqK1M0orD)
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/t/469255534307049472/469255955457511424 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (webmention)
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/t/469255534307049472/469256030770458624 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (webmention)
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/t/469255534307049472/469255779879370752 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (webmention)
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tantek
aaronpk - if you have an email or phone number for "AT&T security" please provide and I'll pass it on
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/t/469255534307049472/469256008091836416 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (webmention)
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/t/469255534307049472/469255842336755712 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (webmention)
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tantek
also we could start a /ATT page
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tantek
with that information
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tantek
and note of this incident
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/t/469255534307049472/806757 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (webmention)
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/t/469255534307049472/469257572810121216 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (webmention)
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/t/469255534307049472/469257046517239809 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (webmention)
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aaronpk
well abuse@att.net might be a good place to start
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/t/469255534307049472/469259255028011010 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (webmention)
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/t/469255534307049472/2890591 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (webmention)
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@GlennF
RT @t: Twitter @Safety vulnerability! If cell service @ATT, REMOVE phone# in profile @x @j compromised http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (ttk.me t4WB1) (twtr.io/mZrQKqp0ij)
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@iDGS
RT @t: Twitter @Safety vulnerability! If cell service @ATT, REMOVE phone# in profile @x @j compromised http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (ttk.me t4WB1) (twtr.io/mZrYiHGek4)
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tantek
thanks aaronpk - passed it along
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tantek
interesting, the icon is gone from @j
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aaronpk
3 tweets?!
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tantek
and the background image, which was: https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_banners/9697732/1400655620/web
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aaronpk
following 1
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tantek
and the avatar was: https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/469008996796334080/RXBWo1rK_bigger.jpeg
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tantek
maybe there are clues to the attacker in those images - so they're now gone
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tantek
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/469008996796334080/RXBWo1rK.jpeg looks like the original avatar upload
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/t/469255534307049472/469260651336986624 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (webmention)
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aaronpk
nothing useful in the exif http://regex.info/exif.cgi?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fpbs.twimg.com%2Fprofile_images%2F469008996796334080%2FRXBWo1rK.jpeg
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/t/469255534307049472/214557552 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (webmention)
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tantek
can google image search the web for other occurances of a JPEG?
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/t/469255534307049472/469261042812719104 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (webmention)
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/t/469255534307049472/469261254578556928 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (webmention)
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@katelosse
@kevinmarks I'm getting dinner then heading over for the indieweb club-- do I need to ping anyone to get in? thx! (twtr.io/mZsNLG1JWQ)
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snarfed
tantek: yes
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snarfed
click on the camera icon in the search box
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aaronpk
http://dark-lord-askins.deviantart.com/art/Evil-has-a-face-It-s-furry-161541856
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tantek
gotta run
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tantek
but if someone could download those jpegs ^^^ and try google image searches on them
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tantek
that would be appreciated
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aaronpk
found it on deviantart
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tantek
heck, if the attacker was dumb enough to use them on other profiles...
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tantek
attacker's identifier was "swag727"
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aaronpk
found a few other profiles with that image
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tantek
I just got a pop-up @-mention notification from @KevinMarks!
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tantek
(on my twitter.com/t profile page in a web browser)
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aaronpk
oh yeah saw that the other day! they're really facebooking it up
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@benpop
RT @t: Twitter @Safety vulnerability! If cell service @ATT, REMOVE phone# in profile @x @j compromised http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (ttk.me t4WB1) (twtr.io/mZt3CdmRzU)
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aaronpk
alright i've got a whole host of URLs with that profile image
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/t/469255534307049472/469265264681709568 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (webmention)
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@Renegal
RT @t: Twitter @Safety vulnerability! If cell service @ATT, REMOVE phone# in profile @x @j compromised http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (ttk.me t4WB1) (twtr.io/mZtD1Armqf)
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@benwerd
RT @t: Twitter @Safety vulnerability! If cell service @ATT, REMOVE phone# in profile @x @j compromised http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (ttk.me t4WB1) (twtr.io/mZtVyk8WWR)
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aaronpk
!tell tantek I collected a bunch of URLs that contain(ed) that profile image: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/swag727
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/t/469255534307049472/469265722326384640 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (webmention)
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/t/469255534307049472/469266513589837825 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (webmention)
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metafluff.com
edited /events/2014-05-21-homebrew-website-club (-63) "/* RSVP */ boo, cannot make it tonight :(" (view diff)
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@andigalpern
RT @t: Twitter @Safety vulnerability! If cell service @ATT, REMOVE phone# in profile @x @j compromised http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (ttk.me t4WB1) (twtr.io/mZu_jLBDGp)
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk tantek: that image is some anime character. I suspect there will be a lot of profiles with that image
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Loqi
tantek: aaronpk left you a message 10 minutes ago: I collected a bunch of URLs that contain(ed) that profile image: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/swag727
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aaronpk
yeah, not sure how helpful that list really is
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aaronpk
but at least a few of the results were regular looking facebook pages that used to have it
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/t/469255534307049472/469269535020023809 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (webmention)
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/t/469255534307049472/23732236 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (webmention)
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@t
> @MozSF 17:30 Quiet Writing(blogging @ATT exploit) 18:30 Homebrew Website Club Meetup Join us! http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-05-21-homebrew-website-club (ttk.me t4WB3) (twtr.io/mZuo2NYNKk)
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@kevinmarks
RT @t: > @MozSF 17:30 Quiet Writing(blogging @ATT exploit) 18:30 Homebrew Website Club Meetup Join us! http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-05-21-homebrew-website-club (ttk.me t4WB3) (twtr.io/mZvD3dmiuf)
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/t/469270155575312385/469270790718771200 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-05-21-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/t/469270155575312385/815632 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-05-21-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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aaronpk
finds a quiet space at the esripdx office to sit down and start writing
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/t/469270155575312385/469271322963374080 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-05-21-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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tantek
is stuck on MUNI at Montgomery inbound. Two stops to go to MozSF stop.
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tantek
apologies to anyone waiting outside MozSF!
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tantek
at Embarcadero station
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tantek
exiting the tunnel
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/t/469270155575312385/469274795369328640 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-05-21-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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RT @t: > @MozSF 17:30 Quiet Writing(blogging @ATT exploit) 18:30 Homebrew Website Club Meetup Join us! http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-05-21-homebrew-website-club (ttk.me t4WB3) (twtr.io/mZwow8b3V4)
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RT @t: > @MozSF 17:30 Quiet Writing(blogging @ATT exploit) 18:30 Homebrew Website Club Meetup Join us! http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-05-21-homebrew-website-club (ttk.me t4WB3) (twtr.io/mZwzC6351s)
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edited /login-brainstorming (+24) "add to indieauth category" (view diff)
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edited /auth-brainstorming (+24) "add to indieauth category" (view diff)
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@ashleyrichards
RT @t: Twitter @Safety vulnerability! If cell service @ATT, REMOVE phone# in profile @x @j compromised http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (ttk.me t4WB1) (twtr.io/mZxEGTtGNS)
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/t/469255534307049472/469276978307026946 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (webmention)
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/t/469270155575312385/469276275073626112 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-05-21-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/t/469270155575312385/469275796105068544 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-05-21-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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@kevinmarks
Homebrew Website Club writing hour #indieweb (@ Mozilla San Francisco - @mozsf w/ @t) https://www.swarmapp.com/kevinmarks/checkin/537d4a04498e53d843316b89?s=XQCZcnQ-l3WyoDKa4MJKIrFvJOY&ref=tw (twtr.io/mZy4bKuY29)
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whoa foursquare changed the web URLs for checkins too!
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aaronparecki.com
edited /simple-indieauth-example (+25) "add to indieauth category" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com
edited /simple-indieauth-example (+64) "clarify" (view diff)
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aaronpk
some new faces in PDX tonight!
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KevinMarks_
finds draft post to work on and realises it's been in draft for 2 years
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aaronparecki.com
edited /simple-indieauth-example (-49) "no redirect needed here" (view diff)
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KevinMarks_
wow, I have drafts that are 7 years old
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aaronpk
eep
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KartikPrabhu
is glad he's not doing as bad as KevinMars_ ;)
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KartikPrabhu
and that failed hard!
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aaronpk
tantek: will you have a vidyo URL for us soon?
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tantek
I have one - figuring we can setup at 6:25
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tantek
18:25 rather
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aaronpk
ok
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Loqi
[mention] http://kylewm.com/article/2014/05/22/1/decentralized-hashtags linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Homebrew_Website_Club (webmention)
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Loqi
[mention] http://kylewm.com/article/2014/05/22/1/decentralized-hashtags linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Loqi (webmention)
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kylewm
eep, gotta fix that, shouldn't send webmentions for drafts
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tantek
heh :)
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tantek
real-time-IRC debugging
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KartikPrabhu
kylewm: oh so that's why the tweet-teply intent is not working :P
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kylewm
KartikPrabhu: you can see that post?
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tantek
the one that starts with "Literally rode my bike…" ?
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kylewm
hehe, ha ok
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KartikPrabhu
kylewm: I just clicked on the URL in webmention on IRC
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kylewm
permalink works, not in the stream apparently
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aaronpk
ooh interested to see where this post goes
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KartikPrabhu
yeah that is how it should be no?
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kylewm
hmm, I would like it to be hidden altogether unless i'm logged in
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kylewm
no danger of accidentally sending webmentions that way :P
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aaronpk
seems reasonable
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KartikPrabhu
kylewm: future date them and send mentions only for past/present posts...?
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tantek
KartikPrabhu++
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Loqi
KartikPrabhu has 23 karma
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kylewm
that's an interesting idea
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tantek
I've found it exceptionally useful to have public visible future drafts
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tantek
to share with friends for review
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tantek
and just not have them linked to from anywhere (nor send any mentions)
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KartikPrabhu
same^^ though I did copy tante on this one :)
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KartikPrabhu
's spelling part of the brain is failing
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tantek
kylewm: I read your post. That's hilarious, you namedrop Loqi, so he outs your post here.
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kylewm
is it possible to see the superfeedr thing for a keyword? that's what notifix is doing in here i think
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kylewm
haha :)
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@J
RT @t: Twitter @Safety vulnerability! If cell service @ATT, REMOVE phone# in profile @x @j compromised http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (ttk.me t4WB1) (twtr.io/m_0EFkjwTk)
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aaronpk
looks like @j got her twitter account back? https://twitter.com/J/status/469284981701767170
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@J
Hacked due to lame @att "Messages" service that allowed hacker to break into txt messages and essentially override two factor authentication (twtr.io/m_05otmgzW)
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@dav
RT @t: Twitter @Safety vulnerability! If cell service @ATT, REMOVE phone# in profile @x @j compromised http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (ttk.me t4WB1) (twtr.io/m_0SSb_w4H)
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tantek
looks like @j got her account back but all the previous tweets are still deleted :(
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tantek
is making all of KevinMarks's device beep and bleep during Quiet Writing Hour. >:)
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tantek
s/device/devices
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Loqi
tantek meant to say: is making all of KevinMarks's devices beep and bleep during Quiet Writing Hour. >:)
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/t/469255534307049472/469285944147705857 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (webmention)
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/t/469255534307049472/469285375840907265 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (webmention)
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aaronpk
heading to conference room to set up camera
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@snarshad
RT @t: Twitter @Safety vulnerability! If cell service @ATT, REMOVE phone# in profile @x @j compromised http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (ttk.me t4WB1) (twtr.io/m_1hVTUh5s)
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kylewm
@schnarfed's alter ego ^^
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GWG
Who is @J?
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GWG
Someone in here?
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KartikPrabhu
GWG: i don't think so
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GWG
Ok
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GWG
All the single letters know each other?
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kylewm
GWG: if they don't, twitter sure thinks they do, when you start following @t it recommends all the others in "people you might no"
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kylewm
know*
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/t/469255534307049472/469289492218519552 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/File:2014-05-21-twitter-j-compromised.png (webmention)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: if you have anything new, put your hand up and we'll talk about it - SF or Portland (twtr.io/m_2UpbCZCZ)
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GWG
kylewm: I noticed
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: if you're an AT&T cellphone account user, people can create an account there and see your SMSs, and have stolen @j @x accounts (twtr.io/m_2_hUhS3k)
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GWG
I'm sure @t and @u hang out all the time.
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: if you report a security bug to AT&T they ask you to file a police report for identity theft (twtr.io/m_2cjVkG5M)
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aaronpk
please make sure to speak into the mic closely
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @benwerd: I'm Ben, formerly of idno, which is now @withknown and I'm the CEO - we're the first indieweb company (twtr.io/m_2hvmNs14)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @benwerd: what we really need is to talk to people interested in indieweb, owning your own data, but not tehcnical - talk to us. (twtr.io/m_2kMDWfH4)
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@benwerd
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @benwerd: what we really need is to talk to people interested in indieweb, owning your own data, but not tehcnica… (twtr.io/m_2o9cM58G)
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KevinMarks_
who is speaking?
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aaronpk
alex linkser
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @aaronpk: I've been documenting IndieAuth and putting tools for it together so other people can make sense of it (twtr.io/m_2qhSGQ28)
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@Johannes_Ernst
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @benwerd: what we really need is to talk to people interested in indieweb, owning your own data, but not tehcnica… (twtr.io/m_2rQz4Km8)
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aaronpk
http://alexlinsker.com/
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KevinMarks_
speaker?
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tantek
Darren?
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tantek
aaronpk ^^^ ?
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @alexlinkser: I am looking into teaching people about technloogy (twtr.io/m_2w59eFyw)
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benwerd
Darin
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aaronpk
speaker: psyhigh.com
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/t/469270155575312385/2319275256 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-05-21-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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@BillSeitz
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @aaronpk: I've been documenting IndieAuth and putting tools for it together so other people can make sense of it (twtr.io/m_2y8v5i6f)
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aaronpk
paulmunday.net up now
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npdoty
regrets that I couldn't be there tonight
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npdoty
... but I just want to say that I think the quiet writing hour is a great idea and I can't wait to join in on that next week
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@BillSeitz
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @benwerd: I'm Ben, formerly of idno, which is now @withknown and I'm the CEO - we're the first indieweb company (twtr.io/m_30uVNu4o)
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aaronpk
since he was here last, has been wokring on his site, ripped out all the specific things to his own site and now published it on github
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tantek
npdoty - every two weeks :)
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KevinMarks_
lean into the mic portland, can't hear
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aaronpk
source code: https://github.com/tallus/monomatapa
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npdoty
tantek, blast, I think I'm out of town in two weeks
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tantek
npdoty - see indiewebcamp.com/events for upcoming events :)
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@benwerd
At Homebrew Website Club. @johannes_ernst is discussing the Indie Box crowdfunding campaign: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/indie-box-let-s-bring-our-data-home #indieweb (twtr.io/m_3BgLw280)
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aaronpk
will bring his table mic next time so it's in the middle of the table not at the end
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: IndieBox is a home server that has a geek mode and a human mode - http://indieboxproject.org/blog/ (twtr.io/m_3J_XgeC0)
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@Johannes_Ernst
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: IndieBox is a home server that has a geek mode and a human mode - http://indieboxproject.org/blog/ (twtr.io/m_3LfxL5QH)
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@Johannes_Ernst
RT @benwerd: At Homebrew Website Club. @johannes_ernst is discussing the Indie Box crowdfunding campaign: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/indie-box-let-s-bring-our-data-home #indieweb (twtr.io/m_3LzWJuDL)
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tantek
aaronpk - please note name, URL, twitter handle :)
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@indieboxproject
RT @benwerd: At Homebrew Website Club. @johannes_ernst is discussing the Indie Box crowdfunding campaign: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/indie-box-let-s-bring-our-data-home #indieweb (twtr.io/m_3NWKM10o)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: as the box is quite expensive, I want to set up a virtual Indie box for people on Amazon, and need help with that (twtr.io/m_3Nzd0cyR)
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@indieboxproject
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: IndieBox is a home server that has a geek mode and a human mode - http://indieboxproject.org/blog/ (twtr.io/m_3P8pmdrj)
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KevinMarks_
what was URL?
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tantek
aaronpk ^^^
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tantek
… found IndieWebCamp via Aral Balkan
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tall_paul
martelles.com
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KevinMarks_
Apple's attitude to having your own site hasn't changed much: http://epeus.blogspot.com/2003/08/how-i-emailed-myself-into-job-and.html
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tantek
… if you want a different web, you have to build it
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KevinMarks_
what was his name?
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tantek
Matt
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tantek
(now speaking)
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tantek
… has a personal website
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tantek
… background in realtime 3d graphics algorithms
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Loqi
Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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tantek
… does a lot of C++
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tantek
… this web thing is kind of cool
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tantek
… just figuring out how to get a simple image gallery going
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb Matt Martelles: I left my job 'cos my old employer was very draconian about websites. If you want a better web you have to build i (twtr.io/m_3gxMGmrj)
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KevinMarks_
hi psyhigh
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tantek
Ben Morrow
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tantek
… has a personal website
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KevinMarks_
Ben Morrow childoftv.com I edit it in google docs using a spreadsheet and some arhcaic XSLT
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tantek
… hooked up to a Google Docs UI
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tantek
with PHP and XSLT
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benwerd
was that "Dark Pirate" or "Duck Pirate"? Both are awesome
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benwerd
ohhhhh
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tantek
dotpirate.ninja
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aaronpk
oh my
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb Ben Morrow: my site is http://www.childoftv.com/ I edit it in google docs using a spreadsheet and some archaic XSLT (twtr.io/m_3ujn28dR)
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tantek
Kate
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb Ben Morrow: I also bought http://dotpirate.ninja recently (twtr.io/m_3wE3q45L)
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tantek
… used to work for Facebook
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kylewm
http://www.katelosse.tv/
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tantek
… wrote a book about that
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benwerd
http://domains.ninja/ if anyone's as interested as I am
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aaronpk
"I'm here right now because I realized my favorite platform is writing on my own website"
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @katelosse: My site is katelosse.tv - I used to work at facebook and wrote a book about that. (twtr.io/m_3zJnzaYH)
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tantek
… both working at FB, and writing a book, I found that you're subordinate to others in your publishing
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @katelosse: now I most enjoy writing on my own site and want to own that -both facebook and being a book author constrains you (twtr.io/m_426jMMzW)
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tantek
Zach!
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benwerd
http://www.zackfischmann.com/
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tantek
Zack Fischmann
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@benwerd
.@katelosse: "I'm here right now because I realized my favorite platform is writing on my own website." +1 #indieweb (twtr.io/m_47bLLNpb)
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jjuran
<-- <http://www.jjuran.org/>, main site: <http://www.metamage.com/>, Portable distributed programming system: <http://www.fornaxis.org/>
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb Zack Fischmann: I have http://www.zackfischmann.com and I'm here to work on new projects with people (twtr.io/m_49hag3df)
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psyhigh
http://marmalademountain.bandcamp.com/ is actually really great
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: This word Indie is claimed by lots of people for different things - is there a way to decide how to use this (twtr.io/m_4DqjVeC0)
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benwerd
(Looking forward to the "indie" discussion. Gave an entire pitch yesterday without using the word once. Now think it wasn't a good idea.)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @andigalpern: I do event hosting for UX nights - I want to work on a blog to share information, I want to write without worrying (twtr.io/m_4MevqqjG)
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GWG
benwerd: I heard that.
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@Mike_Hendley
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @Johannes_Ernst: IndieBox is a home server that has a geek mode and a human mode - http://indieboxproject.org/blog/ (twtr.io/m_4PuBRzfp)
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KevinMarks_
I didn't hear that
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KartikPrabhu
Zack Fischmann: nice website. you should blog there instead of on blogspot :)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: earlier today in Dusseldorf there was a session on IndieMark - I want to talk about improving http://indiewebcamp.com/indiemark (twtr.io/m_4XBep1Wf)
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Loqi
[[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Aaronparecki.com * uploaded "[[File:2014-05-21-hwc-screen.jpg]]"
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aaronparecki.com
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upon2020.com
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@search8engine
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb Ben Morrow: my site is http://www.childoftv.com/ I edit it in google docs using a spreadsheet and some archaic XSLT (twtr.io/m_4neVGmrj)
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psyhigh
let's put this on the speakers: http://marmalademountain.bandcamp.com/track/telegraph-avenue
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tantek
Ben Morrow asked me which apps I'm using for communication without a phone # - here's a screenshot (and the URLs to construct them :) ) http://tantek.com/2014/084/b1/urls-people-focused-mobile-communication
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tantek
welcome childoftv
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childoftv
cool
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tantek
AKA Ben Morrow
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tantek
see https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/today :)
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alexlinsker.com
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alexlinsker.com
edited /events/2014-05-21-homebrew-website-club (+6) "/* RSVP */" (view diff)
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tantek
aaronpk - that worked really well to not just do general intros by everyone
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tantek
and only do intros for new people
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tantek
we should put that on the wiki or something
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tantek
do we have a "how to run a homebrew website club meetup" section?
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alexlinsker.com
edited /events/2014-05-21-homebrew-website-club (+4) "/* RSVP */" (view diff)
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childoftv
Hey so @tantek how did you come to choose using in ipod for this...also is there a way to get an un-network-paired firefox phone?
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KevinMarks_
does it work for the new people though? they don't know who we all are
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alexlinsker.com
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KevinMarks_
yes, you can buy firefox phones without a sim, I got one on ebay
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tantek
childoftv: FirefoxOS phones here in the US are *only* unlocked :)
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tantek
KevinMarks: I think it does by only cognitively loading them up with a few other new people to learn at first
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tantek
and incrementally more over time
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tantek
hearing everyone's name = forgetting nearly everyone's name
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childoftv
awesome. I'd love to unpair from various services and for example share private keys with friends to comm on a personally secured channel...no idea re the legality
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aaronparecki.com
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/t/469270155575312385/18615231 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-05-21-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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tantek
childoftv - re: how did I come to chose an ipod for this: see: http://tantek.com/2014/006/t2/ipod-wifi-mifi-works-iamnotanumber-nophone-future
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psyhigh.com
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childoftv
https://plus.google.com/app/basic/stream/z133vvygwpzxc3co404cchobnq3wzl25jik ipython live multiuser interactive python notebooks hosted in chrome
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childoftv
(not available yet ...but ipython notebooks generally are http://ipython.org/notebook.html)
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childoftv
it's increasingly becoming *the* platform for technical blog posts
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psyhigh.com
created /User:Psyhigh.com (+222) "Created page with " psyhigh.com[http://psyhigh.com] is the public website for Psychic High School. The dev site starts at psyhigh.biz/welcome [http://psyhigh.biz/welcome]. Looking for a platform ..."" (view diff)
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raph_m
How about the Julia programming language? Any thoughts on that? I'm seeing some technical work being done with iJulia: https://github.com/JuliaLang/IJulia.jl :)
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@kartik_prabhu
Officially going to @indiewebcamp NYC! @craigmod you should come if you're around @jeremyzilar is hosting. see: http://indiewebcamp.com/2014 (twtr.io/m_6qFrmyux)
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raph_m
Here in PDX, we are seeing a demo of how easy it is to install "wiki" (npm install -g wiki).
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childoftv
re Julia I've liked what I've seen but the community is much smaller than python (which has pros and cons)
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aaronpk
almost easy, but my npm is apparently not set up quite right
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raph_m
Wiki github is: https://github.com/fedwiki/wiki-node-server
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raph_m
Julia community is definitely smaller now. I see it gaining momentum, given that you can call python very easily. :)
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psyhigh.com
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psyhigh.com
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@GiseleEve
webmention /entry/5702949112119296 (twtr.io/m_7kZzA_Nw)
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@GiseleEve
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@GiseleEve
webmention /entry/5729564890234880 (twtr.io/m_7kdopipM)
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aaronpk
pdx is wrapping up!
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aaronpk
bye san francisco!
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psyhigh
bye bye SF!
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tantek
hey PDX folks - take a PHOTO!
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@AxelNennker
RT @benwerd: At Homebrew Website Club. @johannes_ernst is discussing the Indie Box crowdfunding campaign: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/indie-box-let-s-bring-our-data-home #indieweb (twtr.io/m_JNP2xRu8)
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kylewm
hit kind of a dead end on my hashtag idea … can't think of a way to do it without a central server collecting all the tags, which starts to feel very silo-like
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rascul
what is your hashtag idea?
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kylewm
i wanted to use webmentions to notify some server that i'd tagged a thing... <a href="http://indie-tags.net/foobar">#foobar</a>. It'd receive the webmention and aggregate all the tags from everyone talking about that thing
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rascul
ooo
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kylewm
i started writing about it during "quiet writing hour" and accidentally spammed IRC with 20% written my draft copy :)
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rascul
hehe
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kylewm
s/20% written my/my 20% written/
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Loqi
kylewm meant to say: i started writing about it during "quiet writing hour" and accidentally spammed IRC with my 20% written draft copy :)
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KartikPrabhu
kylewm: successfully switched to mf2util for parsing comments :)
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kylewm
Whoa really??? that's awesome!
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KartikPrabhu
the date parsing is much better than anything I could have done!
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kylewm
that makes me really happy. definitely let me know if any issues you have with it or changes you make/want
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KartikPrabhu
kylewm: I will add some "safe defaults" i.e. if the page has no microformats then some default values could be parsed from the HTML but that might not belong in mf2util
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kylewm
oh yeah that'd be very cool, I would certainly use it
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aaronparecki.com
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Loqi
[mention] http://kartikprabhu.com/notes/IWC-2014 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014 (webmention)
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KartikPrabhu
hi indie-visitor: use /nick yourname to change your nick
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warScout
thanks haha
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KartikPrabhu
welcome warScout
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warScout
hey..how do you link to this in mIRC?
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KartikPrabhu
you mean link to the IRC?
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warScout
to this specific forum...sorry I am super new at this...haven't been on IRC in like 15 years
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aaronpk
that's a common theme around here :)
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KartikPrabhu
warScout: never used mIRC... sorry. I am also new to IRC and have only used 1 client so far :P
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warScout
yeah I can imagine...hmmm..okay thank KartickPrabhu....I will continue trying see if I can connect through mIRC...if anyone has any guidance that would be awesome
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bear
warScout: https://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml
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bear
warScout: also general help for mIRC http://www.mirc.com/install.html
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warScout
okay cool...I'll check it out thank you
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bear
warScout: and lastly http://indiewebcamp.com/IRC
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bear
hope that helps
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aaronparecki.com
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aaronparecki.com
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@andigalpern
The web is your playground. Go play! @t @kevinmarks @erinjo @katelosse @generic_brian @MozSF #indieweb https://twitter.com/andigalpern/status/469354917602131968/photo/1 (twtr.io/m_R4n2PCCo)
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@kevinmarks
RT @andigalpern: The web is your playground. Go play! @t @kevinmarks @erinjo @katelosse @generic_brian @MozSF #indieweb http://t.co/9MU0VIu… (twtr.io/m_R6a3p1nj)
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@OhhSocialMedia
RT @andigalpern: The web is your playground. Go play! @t @kevinmarks @erinjo @katelosse @generic_brian @MozSF #indieweb http://t.co/9MU0VIu… (twtr.io/m_RAieqQ_9)
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@cascadesf
RT @andigalpern: The web is your playground. Go play! @t @kevinmarks @erinjo @katelosse @generic_brian @MozSF #indieweb http://t.co/9MU0VIu… (twtr.io/m_RGM65hKj)
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KartikPrabhu
is that today's HWC SF group?
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aaronpk
oh nice!
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aaronpk
i forgot to get a real phooto of pdx today
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aaronpk
but i got a screencap of the video link
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KartikPrabhu
better than nothign
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KartikPrabhu
sorry there was no HWC Chicago. 50% of the people were busy!
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@kyle_wm
RT @andigalpern: The web is your playground. Go play! @t @kevinmarks @erinjo @katelosse @generic_brian @MozSF #indieweb http://t.co/9MU0VIu… (twtr.io/m_RXT5h0fZ)
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@kyle_wm
RT @andigalpern: The web is your playground. Go play! @t @kevinmarks @erinjo @katelosse @generic_brian @MozSF #indieweb http://t.co/9MU0VIu… (twtr.io/m_RfZEdQRb)
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@kevinmarks
RT @benwerd: .@katelosse: "I'm here right now because I realized my favorite platform is writing on my own website." +1 #indieweb (twtr.io/m_RnY1yv0G)
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aaronpk
need more micropub clients
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aaronpk
who's up for making a sweet looking note posting interface or something
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aaronpk
thinking about two-factor auth at a nano level, requiring human confirmation before any client can actually post to your site via your micropub endpoint
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aaronpk
e.g. I sign in to barnaby's experimental Taproot interface but don't trust it entirely yet. Instead of giving him blanket access to post to my site, every time his app makes a request to my micropub endpoint, it goes and asks me for confiramtion before publishing
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@joshuajuran
RT @andigalpern: The web is your playground. Go play! @t @kevinmarks @erinjo @katelosse @generic_brian @MozSF #indieweb http://t.co/9MU0VIu… (twtr.io/m_SDsM5AFU)
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aaronpk
either OOB confirmation (2-factor auth via SMS or something) or an oauth-link confirmation dialog from the same browser
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aaronparecki.com
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KartikPrabhu
aaronpk: what kind? web? micropubbing is on my agend of the near future. May work on that at IWC-East
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aaronpk
probably web cause it's easier. i just need more examples I can reference
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aaronpk
also I gotta finish this stuff faster so I can explore things like this two-factor auth idea
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KartikPrabhu
I suppose I must have a micropub endpoint before all that happens... :) will work towards that for the near future
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aaronpk
indeed :)
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aaronpk
your own micropub endpoint is the first step. but you can use tokens.indieauth.com to jumpstart it
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aaronpk
my irc ramblings have a URL now http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/05/21/2/indieauth-micropub-2fa
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KartikPrabhu
cool. added to research tab group :)
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@benwerd
RT @andigalpern: The web is your playground. Go play! @t @kevinmarks @erinjo @katelosse @generic_brian @MozSF #indieweb http://t.co/9MU0VIu… (twtr.io/m_SvriznV4)
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KartikPrabhu
I don't like Django's admin interface so having my own has been a goal I'm working towards
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aaronpk
and I don't like the idea of interfaces being locked into a single site
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aaronpk
like why should p3k's posting interface be limited to posting to p3k sites
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KartikPrabhu
true! I like the idea of micropub for sure
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KartikPrabhu
someday there'll be a mobile app for it or something
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@benwerd
@harsh545555 Webmentions are still there! It works really well with https://www.brid.gy/ (twtr.io/m_T6BGJWBC)
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KartikPrabhu
actually a webpage is good enough now that I think about it
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aaronpk
yeah you can go pretty far with just a web page
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aaronpk
i still trust native apps more for certain things. like offline posting.
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aaronpk
anyway i'm off for the night
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KartikPrabhu
hmm I should too... gnight!
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/withknown/418912563699519489/10402702 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-01-15-homebrew-website-club (webmention)
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@zackfischmann
RT @andigalpern: The web is your playground. Go play! @t @kevinmarks @erinjo @katelosse @generic_brian @MozSF #indieweb http://t.co/9MU0VIu… (twtr.io/m_VdimZmEQ)
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