#indiewebcamp 2014-06-01

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tantek is working on cleaning up the site-deaths page a bunch
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tantek could use some help with checking out the "presumed shutdown" sites that need verification (and or moving to other pages) http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths#presumed_shutdown
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aaronpk is working on cleaning up indieauth issues :)
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tantek.com edited /Yahoo (+328) "/* Dead Tools */ FoxyTunes" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /feed (+297) "/* 2013 */ Yahoo! RSS Alerts shutdown" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Yahoo (+500) "Yahoo Alerts, replacement for Yahoo! RSS Alerts (dead service)" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /feed (+616) "provide summary points of criticism, note Atom feed file several times larger than equivalent HTML file" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Yahoo (+219) "/* Dead Services */ Altavista" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /site-deaths () "(-678) FoxyTunes was a tool, not a site. Yahoo RSS Alerts was a service. Confirmed Y! Neighbors. Moved Altavista to dead Y! services" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Yahoo (+379) "/* Dead Services */ Yahoo! Stars India" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Yahoo (+239) "/* Dead Services */ Yahoo Local API and Yahoo Term Extraction" (view diff)
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aaronpk woo it's mostly working https://github.com/aaronpk/omniauth-indieauth
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aaronpk need to do docs, then need to parse out the h-card on the page
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aaronpk then publish the gem
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tantek.com edited /Yahoo (+527) "/* Dead Services */ Yahoo! Downloads Beta" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /site-deaths () "(-920) finished processing remainder of presumed shutdowns, noted new instructions for moving Upcoming to either Any Day Now or Past depending of if site is still up or not after expected shutdown date" (view diff)
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tantek Phew. Ok that's enough clean-up for /site-deaths for now.
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tantek.com edited /Yahoo (+36) "link alerts" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /yahoo (+19) "r" (view diff)
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aaronpk wowie
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tantek.com edited /https (+0) "/* Level 5 security */ sort by date since Level 5. well done bear" (view diff)
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snarfed interesting(ish…kind of…) bridgy stat: 1/3 of all registered accounts have successfully sent a webmention somewhere
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snarfed higher than i expected
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tantek that is quite high!
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KartikPrabhu has been tweaking the visuals on his notes: https://kartikprabhu.com/notes feedbac welcome :)
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: they look great!
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KartikPrabhu :D
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snarfed titles and/or snippets in reply contexts would be nice, but i know that's nontrivial
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KartikPrabhu yeah I want to do that... BUt will have to figure out file storing before that... to store the external content
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Loqi [mention] https://kylewm.com/reply/2014/06/01/1 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/code-of-conduct (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://kylewm.com/reply/2014/06/01/1 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/principles#Plurality (webmention)
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: I just noticed your site does a little bit of "animation" if I resize the window, scaling the fonts and moving things around. is that just firefox being cute, or did you make it do that?
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: I do have different layouts at diff. screen sizes and they are sort of very close so I guess looks like animation. The logo I have set to transiiton: all or something so that does actually animate
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kylewm cool, it looks neat
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KartikPrabhu thanks :)
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kylewm i like how the elements rearrange for a phone-sized screen
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KartikPrabhu I love media-queries :D
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: have you documented red wind's file storage somewhere?
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: try this. let me know if anything is missing http://indiewebcamp.com/Red_Wind#Filestore
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: thanks :)
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GWG I have to stop going back to the drawing board
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@jdevoo The #IndieWeb camp brings you POSSE http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/472986464830377984)
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@leogaggl RT @jdevoo The #IndieWeb camp brings you #POSSE http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE #distributedweb (twitter.com/_/status/472990428648579072)
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@jdevoo Unhosted, pump.io and other great resources for a web without frontiers https://indiewebcamp.com/projects #IndieWeb #silos (twitter.com/_/status/473000739112230914)
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@lifeuseroid Rubric "My New Hero" @adactio Thx for the intro on IndieWeb (http://5by5.tv/webahead/56) http://indiewebify.me/ http://indiewebcamp.com/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/473010937147174912)
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@lifeuseroid Nice post about IndieWeb and an example it by @dangillmor http://dangillmor.com/2014/04/25/indie-web-important/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/473012990850400257)
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@hotspurman https://www.youtube.com/user/IndieAuthorALLi Online debate on Crowd-funding with @OrnaRoss @AmandaBabs1 (twitter.com/_/status/473023983177433088)
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@lifeuseroid Nice post about IndieWeb and an example of using it by @dangillmor http://dangillmor.com/2014/04/25/indie-web-important/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/473061838289403904)
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@charlesroper @Memset_Kate Join the #indieweb movement! http://dangillmor.com/2014/04/25/indie-web-important/ (twitter.com/_/status/473071399985500160)
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@charlesroper @Memset_Kate Also, see Known: http://werd.io/2014/known-taking-a-big-bet-on-the-indieweb #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/473072562776588288)
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@ArturoVM RT @jeena: Reading A List Apart's #yesallwomen article made me think about the #indieweb I k… http://alistapart.com/blog/post/work-to-do-yesallwomen more at https://t.co/f… (twitter.com/_/status/473076054622351360)
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@Memset_Kate RT @charlesroper: @Memset_Kate Join the #indieweb movement! http://dangillmor.com/2014/04/25/indie-web-important/ - want! (twitter.com/_/status/473077060953731072)
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@Memset_Kate @charlesroper However, if #indieweb takes off, don't you think the SocMed silos will just lock down APIs to block exporting interactions? (twitter.com/_/status/473078113166168064)
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rascul cc0 is too long and takes too many brain cells to read
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pdurbin heh
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@charlesroper @Memset_Kate If #indieweb took off would it be in the big sites' interests to block, and would it matter if they did? I think not. (twitter.com/_/status/473085328174354432)
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@charlesroper @Memset_Kate If there's another IndieWebCampUK that would be worth going to. See here: http://t.co/bqTZViCuft. (twitter.com/_/status/473087119351881728)
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@skepticstu RT @Memset_Kate: RT @charlesroper: @Memset_Kate Join the #indieweb movement! http://dangillmor.com/2014/04/25/indie-web-important/ - want! (twitter.com/_/status/473104819935539200)
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bnvk tell! barnabywalters yo dawg, when you like baka?
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bnvk !tell barnabywalters yo dawg, when you like baka?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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bnvk doh
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Loqi barnabywalters: bnvk left you a message 2 hours, 7 minutes ago: yo dawg, when you like baka?
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aaronpk anybody else see the weird characters on this? http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/05/30/1/
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barnabywalters aaronpk: yep
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aaronpk I don't get it, it looks fine on my local copy
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barnabywalters aaronpk: snackerne.ws is hilarious, one of the most kerbal things I’ve seen for a while :)
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barnabywalters aaronpk: I’m using FF, are you using Chrome?
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aaronpk chrome and safari
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aaronpk my local one looks fine in ff too
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barnabywalters looks weird for me in chrome too
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barnabywalters aaronpk: tried looking at the source files locally and remotely?
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aaronpk they look the same
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aaronpk oh wait
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barnabywalters byte-for-byte?
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aaronpk no yeah they're the same. in my parsed JSON version of the page on both servers there's things like "don\u2019t"
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barnabywalters ew JSON
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aaronpk that's coming out of the mf2 parser
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aaronpk http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http%3A%2F%2Furbanhonking.com%2Fzuckerbergslament%2F2014%2F05%2F30%2Fsnacking-universal-with-snacks-quarterly%2F
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barnabywalters aaronpk: those are all valid characters
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barnabywalters in fact my JSON viewing extension turns them back into real characters
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barnabywalters JSON strings can contain actual unicode bytes or escape sequences and be perfectly vali
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aaronpk yeah so i'm confused why it doesn't show up right on my site then
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barnabywalters aaronpk: only thing I can think of OTTOMH: different versions of PHP handling escape sequences differently?
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aaronpk that is the most likely explanation. the server is 5.3 but my laptop is 5.4
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bnvk who has a Facebook account and interested in helping me test this export your messages & pictures tool?
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aaronpk waves
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bnvk aaronpk: cool, will send in a few more seconds
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bnvk ooo, nifty- in Python one can merge lists with same op as adding strings or ints :)
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barnabywalters bnvk: you can do a similar thing in PHP, except it merges on key, so [1, 2] + [3, 4, 5] gives [1, 2, 5]
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barnabywalters javascript messes things up even more
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bnvk damn python ASCII encoding errors
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aaronpk syndicated to Secret: http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/06/01/1/secret
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aaronpk :)
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bnvk aaronpk: heh, doesn't that defeat the whole purpose of Secret?
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aaronpk yes
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bnvk heh
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aaronpk now I just need to get the comments back from secret to my site
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bnvk hahaha
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Loqi hehe
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bnvk aaronpk: ok, this script is good enough you can test it, but currently you have to already have your own Facebook auth token
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aaronpk k
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aaronpk they make that very easy now: https://developers.facebook.com/tools/accesstoken/
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bnvk oh nice
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bnvk https://github.com/mailpile/social-archiver/blob/master/grab.py
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bnvk just add the auth token on line 19
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bnvk and I think you need to make a "messages" and "messages_attachments" folders in the same dir
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rascul ooo mailpile i been meaning to check that out
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aaronpk you should make it make the folders if needed
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bnvk rascul: cool :)
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rascul in fact it was mailpile's web site where i discovered the indieweb!
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Loqi definitely
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bnvk oh nice, glad I could steer you here
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rascul yep it was the writing under your picture
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bnvk aaronpk: ok, so behavior I'm getting is properly downloading messages & attachments to disk, then writing out mbox formatted emails
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aaronpk bnvk: how to install dependencies?
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bnvk I use pip
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aaronpk ImportError: No module named facebook
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bnvk pip install dep-name
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aaronpk what is the list of dependencies?
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aaronpk now I get ImportError: No module named requests
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aaronpk isn't there some sort of bundler thing that can install them al at once? like rubygems or composer?
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bnvk yah, i'm not really sure how to do that in python just yet
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bnvk so just $ pip install requests
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aaronpk now I get AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'GraphAPI'
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aaronpk i'm on python 2.7.5 btw, in case that matters
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aaronpk has no idea how to python
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bnvk hrm, ok I'll get deps list built
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bnvk Barnaby is here to help :)
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aaronpk hm I wish the ruby mf2 parser worked more like the phot one
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aaronpk php wot
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@rubygems omniauth-indieauth (0.1.0): IndieAuth adapter for OmniAuth http://rubygems.org/gems/omniauth-indieauth (twitter.com/_/status/473175130701852672)
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aaronpk woo
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tantek less than four weeks to IndieWebCamp 2014!
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aaronpk crazy
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tantek gotta start getting those sponsors for meals & snacks!
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aaronpk indieauth added to official list of strategies! https://github.com/intridea/omniauth/wiki/List-of-Strategies##IndieAuth
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aaronpk *whew* only 3 remaining issues https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth/issues?state=open
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binbasti nice
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@kartik_prabhu “…I’m really, really enjoying it. It feels good.” — @adactio on posting notes on his own website. http://adactio.com/journal/6826/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/473184238515535873)
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aaronpk "Because I’ve already got webmentions on my site, Brid.gy worked straight out of the gate—a lovely demonstration of some small pieces, loosely joined."
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KartikPrabhu yeah bridgy just works like magic!
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@aaronpk "Because I’ve already got webmentions on my site, Brid.gy worked straight out of the gate... http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/06/01/2/indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/473186139172384770)
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aaronpk KartikPrabhu: i've got another naming challenge for you
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KartikPrabhu oh boy!
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: there is some unicode funkiness in that note you just posted
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aaronpk yeah I know :(
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aaronpk i can't figure it out, cause it looks fine on my local copy of my site running on my laptop
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KartikPrabhu weird
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aaronpk i blame php 5.3
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KartikPrabhu ha! yeah possibly trying to double decode ASCII or something
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KartikPrabhu anyway naming...
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aaronpk I want to do the same thing as ownyourgram but for data from all the fitness/health trackers
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aaronpk so i'm imagining a site where you'd first authorize it to your micropub endpoint, then start connecting apps like strava, jawbone, fitbit, etc
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@silverton fwd @timberners_lee RT @aaronpk "Because already got webmentions on my site, Brid.gy worked straight out the gate... http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/06/01/2/indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/473187702087901184)
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KartikPrabhu hmm so ownyourgram for fitness data
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jonnybarnes would love it if it worked with runkeeper.com
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aaronpk i might use runkeeper more if it did
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@search8engine RT @silverton: fwd @timberners_lee RT @aaronpk "Because already got webmentions on my site, Brid.gy worked straight out the gate... http://… (twitter.com/_/status/473190127502888961)
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rascul https://springpad.com/about is this one that should maybe go on site deaths?
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aaronpk what is springpad?
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rascul i dunno
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rascul happened to see it on hackernews
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aaronpk depends on whether there were public URLs that will now be broken
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aaronpk otherwise it's not a site death, it's an app death
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rascul yeah this i don't know about
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rascul nice of em though to provide an export tool and stuff to export data from there
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rascul hrm i gather that springpad is something like evernote
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KartikPrabhu speaking of which I should migrate my notes from evernote to my site or something
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@julien51 One of the reasons I like the #indiewebcamp community is that it increases webdiversity: http://blog.superfeedr.com/webdiversity/ (twitter.com/_/status/473197496131657729)
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KartikPrabhu JonathanNeal: you around?
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@vasilis @adactio I see you’re struggling with self hosting your photos. Maybe my write up about how I did it might help. http://nerd.vasilis.nl/voto-self-hosted-indieweb-photo-gallery/ (twitter.com/_/status/473215139844726784)
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aaronpk first use case I have for editing posts in micropub is adding a syndication URL after the post is created
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gRegor` aaronpk: Ready for you to try out: http://indiewebcamp.com/Template:expense-row
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aaronpk gRegor`: oooo
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gRegor` I had to avoid using <data> element
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gRegor` same issue I ran into with <time> on the event template and mediawiki
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aaronpk doh
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gRegor` But I believe the markup is correct. I need to investigate php-mf2 and file some bugs I think.
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gRegor` e.g. it parses the date as "2014-06-01T"
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aaronpk beautiful!
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gRegor` If you leave the currency symbol empty, it defaults to USD
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gRegor` So the parameter can be removed entirely, or just = [blank]
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aaronpk oh cool, if I can just leave it out that's better
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Jeena oh, since when do we have a footer in the wiki, and with all the logos in it, what do they mean, are those sponsors or comrades-in-arms?
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gRegor` Likewise for payer_url and payee_url
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aaronpk since march 16th! https://github.com/indieweb/wiki/issues/8
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aaronpk they are sponsors. maybe that needs to be more obvious tho.
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aaronpk that's amazing gRegor`
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aaronpk gRegor`++
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gRegor` Glad to help. I enjoy improving the wiki as much as working on indieweb tech itself, sometimes. :)
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aaronpk you can see why I wanted to wait to enter these until there was a template for them :)
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@_blaisewc An article about Indieweb, taking responsibility for your online stuff is a fun idea if you're going long term // https://gigaom.com/2011/07/08/the-indie-web-who-owns-your-identity/ (twitter.com/_/status/473237148167335937)
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aaronpk well that was fun
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tantek Whoa! He's done it! http://adactio.com/journal/6826/
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aaronpk Yeah! Woo!
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tantek adactio++ for implementing his own notes!
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Loqi adactio has 2 karma
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tantek all hooked up with Bridgy too! leaps and bounds
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tantek fascinating that he's using Bridgy to PESOS his @-replies on Twitter on his own notes to his own site.
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tantek https://twitter.com/adactio/status/471076735417864192
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Loqi [@adactio] After a long weekend of coding, I’ve got a brand new section on my website.
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@schnarfed RT @aaronpk: "Because I’ve already got webmentions on my site, Brid.gy worked straight out of the gate... http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/06/01/2/indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/473250715721166849)
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: kylewm: bridgy still not able to find my notes and POSSE connection: ref: https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/adactio-notes-POSSE vs https://twitter.com/kartik_prabhu/status/473184238515535873 am I doing something wrong?
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@kartik_prabhu “…I’m really, really enjoying it. It feels good.” — @adactio on posting notes on his own website. http://adactio.com/journal/6826/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/473184238515535873)
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: :( sorry about that. i can look later tonight, if kylewm doesn't beat me to it
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: np. sure thing
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snarfed …i don't see any twitter or g+ responses to that one specifically yet
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KartikPrabhu oh! My notifications showes tantek fav-ing it. But I guess he un-faved it or soemthing...
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snarfed and it found this one without a link in the text: https://twitter.com/kartik_prabhu/status/469303851695108097
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@kartik_prabhu Officially going to @indiewebcamp NYC! @craigmod you should come if you're around @jeremyzilar is hosting. see: http://indiewebcamp.com/2014 (twitter.com/_/status/469303851695108097)
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snarfed see https://www.brid.gy/twitter/kartik_prabhu
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snarfed so i think it's working...?
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KartikPrabhu but it didn't find my original and send back a mention: https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/IWC-2014
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