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# 00:32 GWG Okay...checkbox added. Now, I have to actually make the data do something. nloadholtes, ttepasse, wolftune, snarfed, chrissaad, brianloveswords, CaptainCalliope, krendil and vanderwal joined the channel
# 02:55 GWG !tell snarfed Have another post-discovery issue. # 02:55 Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next luxagraf joined the channel
# 03:06 aaronpk wonder if there's some way to tell if my facebook "like" buttons are actually being used. it'd be nice to ditch them if not. # 03:07 bret my impression people use like buttons on facebook. share buttons on other websites dont work or are fake often enough for people to avoid them # 03:09 aaronpk i should do a better job of not includeing the facebook JS unless there's a like button being rendered # 03:09 aaronpk right now it's in my template so it's loaded on every page # 03:17 GWG aaronpk: I've been giving it a lot of thought when I gave up on social buttons. gRegor` joined the channel
# 03:34 rascul but i still got lots of work to do so don't make fun of it too much yet benwerd_ joined the channel
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# 04:04 GWG Anyone up to helping me figure out something? # 04:05 GWG I'm working on design for responses. I think it needs work and need suggestions to inspire my thought process? # 04:07 GWG This is the site I am using to test. # 04:08 GWG Basically, the grey box is the response on each individual post # 04:08 GWG I have a setting to swap it to below content # 04:10 rascul oh i confused myself with the gray boxes, the response is actually below # 04:11 GWG The grey box is what is being responded to. # 04:12 GWG I spent over a week designing the backend part of that with contributions from acegiak chrissaad joined the channel
# 04:12 GWG The design is only over the last few days, which is why I'm still figuring it out. # 04:12 rascul looks to me like it's coming along pretty good # 04:15 GWG rascul: Just looking at other people's sites for idea for improvements # 04:16 GWG Next, I have to teach it about Facebook and Google Plus. It already knows about Youtube and Twitter. # 04:16 rascul ahh, probably won't get many ideas from my site yet ;) # 04:17 rascul i do think my h-card looks pretty nifty though chrissaad joined the channel
# 04:30 gRegor` That's my girlfriend :) luxagraf joined the channel
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# 04:47 Loqi snarfed: GWG left you a message 1 hour, 52 minutes ago: Have another post-discovery issue. chrissaad joined the channel
# 04:55 GWG No. This involves a bookmark shared. # 04:55 GWG There is a link in the syndicated post, but it is to the item being commented on, not the original post. lupinedev and luxagraf joined the channel
# 04:58 GWG For testing, or are you asking if I can put them in in future? # 04:59 snarfed the one(s) where you're seeing the problem right now, so i can investigate # 05:07 snarfed GWG: so just to confirm…what link do you think bridgy should find in that fb post? # 05:08 GWG It should find the external link, but not the link back to my post. But, the syndicated link to Facebook is in the post on the site. # 05:10 snarfed the bug is that bridgy doesn't yet have a comprehensive list of all possible FB URL formats for a post # 05:11 snarfed but for the short term, for bridgy to work, you'll want to use the format i mentioned # 05:12 GWG Even when I click the URL on Facebook to copy it, it doesn't show that one jtyhurst joined the channel
# 05:14 snarfed got me, it's probably the canonical one in the api # 05:27 GWG snarfed: I can manually change them, but by now it is too late # 05:28 GWG snarfed: I'll try to remember for next time. # 05:31 GWG snarfed: I'm still trying with the Wordpress plugins. chrissaad joined the channel
# 05:44 GWG I'm working on the response boxes, the grey ones. The rest is just fillr # 05:44 GWG The feature is almost set for trial on my site. brianloveswords, KevinMarks and luxagraf joined the channel
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# 06:08 GWG Got Facebook, Google Plus, and Instagram embedding working. KevinMarks joined the channel
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# 13:53 rascul hrm i need to find a license for my content that is both short and easy to read/understand pfefferle, luxagraf, dybskiy and pbeaulieu joined the channel
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# 15:06 GWG KevinMarks: Rascul's question, I'm guessing? # 15:10 rascul pretty much all free content licenses i've found are like that # 15:10 GWG rascul: Then trust KevinMarks? He seems like a smart guy # 15:11 GWG He even has his own Wikipedia page # 15:12 rascul i don't know for sure that i want a public domain type license though # 15:12 GWG And yes, I'm kidding. You should not trust anyone based on their wikipedia page. # 15:12 Loqi gives rascul a public domain type license though # 15:12 GWG rascul: The question is what you want other people to be able to do? # 15:13 rascul i want them to be able to use my content however they see fit, i would just like something somewhere (i'm not picky) that says it originally came from me or something # 15:13 GWG Creative Commons Attribution license? # 15:15 GWG I use CC0 for those Wordpress plugins I'm working on, but I don't have a posted license on my site. Probably should # 15:15 rascul my code is bsd 2 clause, there's a bsd documentation license that's just as short and sweet but it doesn't apply the way i would like # 15:17 GWG My code is so bad that if anyone wants to steal it...let them. # 15:17 rascul well being a wordpress thing yours is probably much more likely for people to see/use than mine # 15:18 GWG rascul: That was the goal. When I joined the Indieweb community, I wanted to build tools to lower the barrier to entry. # 15:19 rascul my goal is for my site to be as much mine as possible from the code to the content and anywhere else i can feasibly apply that # 15:19 rascul but i'm quite happy to share my work with whoever wants to use it # 15:20 GWG Well, some code can be used anywhere. # 15:21 rascul looks like 1.0 might be better for me than 4.0 # 15:25 GWG Of course you can. It's your right as a human being. # 15:28 Jeena Me and my brother have been trying to use the asm.js version of Box2d for our game instead of the normal Box2dWeb one. the asm one should be only 1,5 times as slow as the native C++ code # 15:28 rascul all i care about is a link, mention, comment in source, or something somewhere saying that i was the original author for a specific piece or section or quote or something, i don't care how it's used snarfed joined the channel
# 15:28 Jeena that means about 10 times as fast as the version written in JS by hand. # 15:30 rascul i do also to some minimal extent, but not enough to make a note about it in general chrissaad and luxagraf joined the channel
# 15:31 GWG rascul: I care as long as I have to right to not be misrepresented. # 15:31 rascul eh i guess i do need a license, copyright law on its own is too restrictive # 15:32 Jeena I think this is because you think that your content is not that valuable for other people. But honestly if someone reposts it, etc. then obviously it was valuable for them. # 15:33 rascul it's not that i don't think it's valuable, i just don't really much care how that value is realized for others dybskiy joined the channel
# 15:34 rascul cc1 will probably be fine for me though i think # 15:35 GWG Jeena: What if I take down the original post? What is the obligation of the reposter? # 15:35 Jeena GWG in other #indieweb news I implemented a avatar cache so my page now loads within under 500ms instead of before sometimes over 5 seconds # 15:36 Jeena it is like if you'd write it on paper and hang it infront of your door, someone my take a picture of it, and he will never know that afterwards you took it down and burned the paper # 15:38 GWG Jeena: Agreed on the analogy, however, I would say a principle of good netizenship is that you try to keep in sync with the source. # 15:38 GWG Jeena: As for the avatar cache...I should propose that to pfefferle, who wrote the code I use on my site. # 15:38 rascul my stuff will be available for as long as i can make it so, but if i am no longer able to do so for whatever reason, that shouldn't mean that others have to take down whatever they got from me # 15:39 Jeena perhaps, on the other hand, I so hate it when I link to a YouTube video and half a year later it is gone, that makes my post which still lives on my website just unnecessary. # 15:40 rascul although it might be useful to have a link checker run from crontab every so often and email any broken links # 15:40 rascul in fact that sounds like something i might like to implement in due time # 15:41 rascul hrm removed youtube videos might not appear as broken links though # 15:41 GWG What would you do if something is taken down? # 15:42 rascul depending on how much i cared about that specific link, i would investigate the reason why # 15:43 rascul could be the link moved and i just need to update it # 15:45 GWG Well, you probably should write your content so someone could derive value even if the link breaks. # 15:47 Jeena you can do it while writing a longer blog post, but for comments it is not really a option # 15:48 GWG Would you cache the text of the original article as metadata to your post? # 15:48 GWG There is the concept of citations being based on date of retrieval # 15:49 rascul hrm is there some accepted method for generating a title and/or a human-readable url for notes? # 15:50 Jeena I gave up on that and only use integers for notes # 15:50 Jeena and you don't want to use the whole content for the url # 15:51 rascul i wonder if maybe i just pulled the first few words and turned that into a slug for the note # 15:52 GWG I put a title into my notes, even if I don't display it # 15:52 rascul not about remembering, more about getting an idea what the content might be about before loading it # 15:53 GWG Jeena: That's a hotly debated topic # 15:53 GWG I don't worry about <title>, although I have it auto-filled. # 15:54 rascul yeah mine is autofilled but possibly not in a meaningful way everywhere # 15:54 GWG Jeena: Can I pick your brain about something? I've already asked rascul. # 15:54 Jeena yet again, for longer articles I would mostly agree, for short comments or notes I find it just unnecessary overhead # 15:54 GWG rascul: Auto-filling has pros and cons. KevinMarks joined the channel
# 15:55 GWG Jeena: http://tiny.n9n.us/ - I'm deploying those grey boxes for responding to external content. Need additional design ideas. I spent a lot of time, with acegiak's help, fleshing out the backend of it # 15:56 GWG rascul: I have some things I set up manually, but put in the hooks for setting the fields automatically # 15:56 rascul my article titles and urls are built from the file name, nice and easy for me pfefferle, chrissaad, snarfed, dybskiy and luxagraf joined the channel
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# 16:37 Jeena but the main thing was that I wasn't able to use my domain anymore to host my own server # 16:37 Jeena and when I asked 3 months after they introduced the bug they told me that this was not a priority for them luxagraf joined the channel
# 16:38 Jeena and if I would like to use that domain today it still would not work, I would need to get a new domain because this one is cached in everyones databases and I can not let them automatically refollow me # 16:39 Jeena they would need to change that in their databases but they can't because everybody is on the cupcake website and there they don't have access to the database # 16:40 Jeena and I was not the only one whom this happened to. wolftune joined the channel
# 16:42 Jeena have you just found out about Tent and were thinking about joining, bret? ;) # 16:45 bret no for some reason your tent article showed up in my rss reader again zaal joined the channel
# 16:46 Jeena My feed contains everything I ever posted, all the time. # 16:47 Jeena that is perhaps not that perfect but I haven't been optimizing it yet # 16:48 bret meh, whatever seems to work fine here! dybskiy and dybskiy_ joined the channel
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# 17:57 bret I'm going to work on a major cleanup of the projects # 18:02 bret like git blame, where it lists line by line who is reponsible for which text # 18:10 GWG I just started using git for version control gRegor`, snarfed, dybskiy, dybskiy_, nloadholtes, Kopfstein, pfefferle and luxagraf joined the channel
# 19:23 rascul bret you can get that stuff from the page history dybskiy joined the channel
# 19:45 aaronpk rascul: are you getting ssl errors on indieauth.com? # 19:45 rascul so unless i specify https:// then indieauth seems to choke # 19:46 rascul i was typing it out to inform you when you asked :) # 19:47 rascul not a big deal because i can just use https:// to login # 19:47 rascul i just wanted to try it and see if it was going to work # 19:49 aaronpk oh wow you shouldn't see that...it's supposed to trap that error better before hand # 19:49 aaronpk crap ok give me a sec... still fixing another bug # 19:49 rascul not a big deal, at least not for me, because as i said i can just specify https:// # 19:50 aaronpk did you have a different ssl cert on here earlier? # 19:50 aaronpk it looks like it loaded your ssl site at some point recently # 19:50 rascul same one, but i wasn't serving out the whole chain previously # 19:50 rascul it was just... yesterday i think? where i had it setup for indieauth on https # 19:51 rascul yeah must have been yesterday when deployed the site and made it ssl only iangreenleaf joined the channel
# 20:08 aaronpk i did just restart it to launch a different change. maybe that did something snarfed joined the channel
# 20:11 rascul it doesn't seem to like the http to https redirect i have going on # 20:11 aaronpk no it's not that, it's having trouble verifying the cert # 20:12 rascul oh now it doesn't work when i put in https either # 20:12 aaronpk something about your cert changed in the last several hours and now it can't connect to your site luxagraf joined the channel
# 20:19 rascul eh maybe it's weird because rascul.io is alt name and not common name? jtyhurst joined the channel
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# 22:24 Loqi tantek: barnabywalters left you a message 1 day, 9 hours ago: what timezone do you post content in? all of the datetimes on tantek.com homepage are floating barnabywalters joined the channel
# 22:34 barnabywalters !tell tantek also spotted whilst feed testing: errant trailing slash in <a> on line 233 of your homepage, and no photo property on the h-card # 22:34 Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next lukebrooker, snarfed, snarfed1, gRegor`, dybskiy, fmarier and luxagraf joined the channel
# 23:28 rascul should an atom feed have everything or just go so far back? # 23:29 rascul i mean in relation to dates, how far back should it go? chrissaad joined the channel
# 23:40 bret rascul, feeds are considered temporary # 23:40 bret have it go back as far or as little as you wish to support # 23:40 bret i only publish the last 5 or so entries # 23:41 bret but its nice when postcasts let you see everything in the podcatcher # 23:41 rascul postcast and podcatcher? i don't know what those are # 23:41 bret slight different context for atom feeds, but pretty much the same tech # 23:42 bret site feeds generally only span a small set of time, and readers have to cache the entries # 23:43 bret barnaby has a really great h-feed to atom gateway, and it isnt hard to build one yourself # 23:44 bret i want to get down to only publishing h-feeds and generating atom off of that chrissaad joined the channel
# 23:44 bret i publish a separate h-feed right now too # 23:47 rascul and, as you might notice, i already have fragmentions implemented :) # 23:53 rascul microformats2 i mean, i'm not noticing anything iangreenleaf joined the channel
rascul.io edited /User:Rascul.io (-4) "/* Ray Schulz */ update with https link and to software running site" (view diff)
GWG snarfed: How is this looking by the way? http://tiny.n9n.us/
@kevinmarks "@benparr: @ow @scobleizer Every network is a double-edged sword with its pros and cons. You invest, but at your own risk." #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/478048833071378432)
@maxbarners "maybe corporations should be investigating the #IndieWeb" Interesting thinking from @undermanager http://www.campaignlive.co.uk/russell_davies/article/1298102/the-web-idealists-point-content-cant-truly-blossom-walled-gardens/ (twitter.com/_/status/478054358417162240)
KevinMarks Cc0?
rascul this one would probably work for me though if i can wake up enough to read the license text http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/
Jeena how cool! someone really used my webmention form to let me know that they mentioned a article of mine https://jeena.net/real-humans#w649
waterpigs.co.uk edited /webmention (+90) "/* accessing endpoints in the browser */ added my human-visible endpoint" (view diff)
barnabywalters !tell tantek also spotted whilst feed testing: errant trailing slash in <a> on line 233 of your homepage, and no photo property on the h-card