#indiewebcamp 2014-08-24

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snarfed bret: sure! if you're already sending wms, it'd be easy to start with bridgy publish if you want, or you could ramp up on the twitter api directly
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bret not sending wms automatically yet.
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bret i need to write that task to be triggered still
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@theindieweb IndieWeb Member - http://davidakennedy.com/2014/08/21/indieweb-member/ (twitter.com/_/status/503359699413393408)
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GWG Morning...
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kylewm how's it going GWG?
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GWG kylewm: I've been fiddling with a widget
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kylewm for h-cards?
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GWG Yes
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GWG I need to style it more
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GWG http://tiny.n9n.us/
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GWG There it is in the corner
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kylewm cool
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GWG I've been playing with some things and had a problem
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GWG I blame tantek
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GWG I've been thinking about his People Focused Communication thoughts again
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kylewm and trying to integrate that into the widget?
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GWG Well, and into the Wordpress user profile.
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GWG But I wasn't quite sure the best approach.
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GWG The problem is the URI scheme isn't consistent.
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GWG So, I have the top bar, which will be syndication points.
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GWG The H-Card will have communications methods.
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GWG But I can't figure that part out
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@marijane RT @kevinmarks: "@howtogeek: Remember when RSS was a thing? I feel so old." #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/503416248084873216)
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@socialfiction the indieweb movement? http://www.wired.com/2013/08/indie-web/ - http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/08/the-new-editors-of-the-internet/378983/ it seems a bit tame (twitter.com/_/status/503422217569697792)
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@kevinmarks @socialfiction it's as wild as you make it,but you need to take on owning your own site to start #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/503473276815822849)
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kevinmarks.com edited /Posts_about_the_IndieWeb (+154) "/* 2014 */" (view diff)
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@seguros9 La claustrofobia 2.0 tiene un movimiento: #IndieWeb http://dangillmor.com/2014/04/25/indie-web-important/ #bloggers #freelancer Vaya casualidad :-} (twitter.com/_/status/503509297998098432)
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@seguros9 “@FreelanceWJ: “If I do not write to empty my mind, I go mad.” ”• George Gordon Byron #writing” #indieweb #freelancer #blogger (twitter.com/_/status/503512526521663489)
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@seguros9 “@FreelanceWJ: Oh, yeah! Or whatever your energy booster is. http://t.co/5NGdqZmprm” #indieWeb #freelancer #bloggers #bloggerrequest (twitter.com/_/status/503513945844744192)
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SRCR http://t.co/5NGdqZmprm” #indieWeb #freelancer #bloggers #bloggerrequest
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@benwerd @tef @kevinmarks Thanks! Doing our best. (& #indieweb is incredible. Go to the Brighton camp on the 6th!) @blaine @hyper_linda @ntlk (twitter.com/_/status/503590820792922113)
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@SandstormIO RT @superglaze: Remember Google’s Wave? Thanks to Sandstorm, it’s easy to start using again http://gigaom.com/2014/08/21/remember-googles-wave-thanks-to-sandstorm-its-easy-to-start-using-again/ #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/503601632299745281)
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@JockelLohkamp @nicolas2fr & @brennannovak will you guys be back in #Berlin Sept. 17th -19th for our Hackathon #GETDBerlin representing #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/503605858602078208)
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aaronpk I just installed a new wordpress blog and the first thing I did was install pfefferle's IndieAuth plugin, worked flawlessly!
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GWG aaronpk: He's good that way
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aaronpk :)
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GWG aaronpk: Why a Wordpress blog?
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GWG I know you use a different CMS
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aaronpk it's for cyborgcamp
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KevinMarks_ soon, you can use known for those kinds of things.
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aaronpk I would love to
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KevinMarks_ Ben just shipped built-in posse
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aaronpk what does that mean?
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KevinMarks_ before you had to do a lot of buggering around creating your own FB and twitter apps to POSSE
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KevinMarks_ now you just auth and it works
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aaronpk oh! crazy, using the Known app on facebook and twitter?
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KevinMarks_ try it- create an account on known.kevinmarks.com
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GWG Am I the only one around here who isn't trying to flee Wordpress?
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GWG I'm not complaining, I am just starting to feel like a minority opinion.
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aaronpk I'd like to see wordpress get more indieweb support, I'm not opposed to it, it just doesn't always fit what I'm trying to do
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KevinMarks_ I want wordpress to include this stuff too, of course
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aaronpk actually for this, Known isn't really appropriate, since we need to have a few top-level pages rather than a stream of posts
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KevinMarks_ ah, I thought you wanted multi-user. WP as hosting pages works
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GWG aaronpk: Nothing will fit exactly with what someone wants unless you write it yourself.
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GWG Wordpress is a compromise
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@nobantu OK NOW Final hrs of EarlyBird ticket's 4 #IIW XIX (Oct 27-30) https://www.eventbrite.com/e/internet-identity-workshop-xix-19-2014b-tickets-11845172229 #internetidentityworkshop #VRM #IRM #IoT #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/503617119754678272)
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bret anyone else see this? http://scripting.com/2014/08/23/nextStepsInTheFacebookCollaboration.html looks like Winer is talking to someone at facebook about POSSE
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@kla81 It might be time for #IndieWeb http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/08/the-new-editors-of-the-internet/378983/ via @GoodMorningIT #JamesFoley (twitter.com/_/status/503623168184307712)
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barnabywalters good evening #indiewebcamp
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Loqi barnabywalters: tantek left you a message 3 days, 2 hours ago: ok I'll keep iterating on the IndieWebCamp UK guest list
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Loqi barnabywalters: aaronpk left you a message 3 days, 1 hour ago: I just updated pin13 with the latest php-mf2! It's now running 0.2.9
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SRCR Hi Barnaby
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barnabywalters greetings SRCR!
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barnabywalters aaronpk: cool, good to hear it’s up-to-date now — lots of good stuff in recent releases!
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barnabywalters (no thanks to me though — mainly via excellent pull requests)
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SRCR Barnaby, I saw you suggesting going with Craft CMS a while back, do you know if there are already projects on POSSE for Craft ?
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barnabywalters SRCR: pretty sure that’s someone else (maybe shanehudson?) — I maintain my own publishing software: taprootproject.com
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SRCR I have shane's webmention plugin, but I'll see if he can make some more plugins :)
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kylewm SRCR: have you been able to log into the wiki yet?
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SRCR which wiki?
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kylewm http://indiewebcamp.com
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kylewm just asking because you should add yourself to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people :)
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SRCR unfortunately indie auth is not workin :(
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kylewm what's your URL?
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aaronpk SRCR: it's probably an easy fix, what error are you getting?
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SRCR Unknown error retrieving https://srcr.nl: 404 => Net::HTTPNotFound for https://srcr.nl/login -- unhandled response
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aaronpk well that's a new one
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aaronpk where is it finding the login URL?
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aaronpk I don't see that linked anywhere on your home page
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SRCR no idea
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SRCR i see this on server side though "Someone tried to restore a session from a cookie without presenting an IP address or userAgent string."
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SRCR is indie auth storing cookies ?
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aaronpk oh interesting... sounds like your site is sending a redirect to /login then
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@kevinmarks Dave Winer makes a case for POSSE to facebook http://scripting.com/2014/08/24/whyWorkWithFacebook.html - see http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/503628678048133120)
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aaronpk I don't think it's storing cookies...
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kylewm curl -I https://srcr.nl seems to work fine though...
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SRCR I had a different site in place a while back that hat the login url.. Craft hasn't
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aaronpk indieauth.com is even pretending to be safari to get around some issues where servers were sending back bad responses fo a curl user agent
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barnabywalters pin13.net fails parsing srcr.net — a useful symptom? http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsrcr.nl%2F
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SRCR http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsrcr.nl
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SRCR works fine, I have a redirect from http to https
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/kevinmarks/503628678048133120/18732388 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (webmention)
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barnabywalters ah, I pasted the wrong URL — but the https version was failing too earlier
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/kevinmarks/503628678048133120/2592724712 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (webmention)
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barnabywalters SRCR: nice work getting h-feed markup on your homepage stream! the author name gets parsed as “Peter Zuidema’s Avatar” though — even for screenreaders this should probably just be “Peter Zuidema”: http://shrewdness.waterpigs.co.uk/test/?url=srcr.nl
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SRCR Yes I noticed that one to.. I have some problem in my code..
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SRCR I'll fix that.. :)
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@jy RT @kevinmarks: Dave Winer makes a case for POSSE to facebook http://scripting.com/2014/08/24/whyWorkWithFacebook.html - see http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/503632127519633409)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/kevinmarks/503628678048133120/503632127519633409 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (webmention)
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SRCR Good of you to drop in Shane :)
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ShaneHudson Hi :)
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SRCR Do you have plans to create more Indie plugins for Craft CMS ?
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ShaneHudson I haven't yet released any, you may be using one by Jason Garber for sending webmentions? But I have been working on (very early version but it works) a webmention reciever plugin. The two plaugins are working well together but mine is very basic at the moment.
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ShaneHudson I am hoping to get POSSE to Twitter working in the next couple of weeks, preferably before IWC UK
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SRCR I indeed have that one, and I would like a POSSE plugin :)
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ShaneHudson I will open source my webmention plugin soon. What features are you wanting for POSSE? Can't promise anything but hoping to get it working well
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SRCR Would be nice to post to twitter of course
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SRCR Will you make that plugin available ?
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ShaneHudson Yeah :)
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SRCR Looking forward to that then.. In the meantime I'm fixing my h-entry mess :)
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ShaneHudson Heh yeah I need to sort out mine too :)
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@nitot RT @kevinmarks: Dave Winer makes a case for POSSE to facebook http://scripting.com/2014/08/24/whyWorkWithFacebook.html - see http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/503637291748052992)
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t` makes a case for deleting facebook
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aaronpk who is t`?
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KevinMarks_ t-prime? is it evil tantek?
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barnabywalters greetings t`!
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ShaneHudson Hah
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KevinMarks_ https://twitter.com/EvilTantek
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/kevinmarks/503628678048133120/503637291748052992 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/kevinmarks/503628678048133120/3630411 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (webmention)
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aaronpk wow wordpress really has gotten a ton better since I last used it
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t` Tantek shouldn't have a monopoly on the letter 't'
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t` Plenty of non tanteks start with t
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t` feels marginalised
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barnabywalters t`: well welcome to #indiewebcamp and apologies for assuming you were tantek (@t on twitter) :)
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aaronpk barnabywalters: oh hai! I was playing with waveform image generators this morning
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barnabywalters aaronpk: cool! I saw your reply
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aaronpk It's a weird enough problem that I'm wondering if it makes sense to bundle in as part of my media URL embeddy thing
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barnabywalters aaronpk: where you just link to an audio file from a note and your embedding code handles the rest?
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aaronpk i'm thinking about a service that takes URLs like http://media.aaronparecki.com/instagram.com/p/sCudrCjcke/ and returns the URL of the raw image
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t` Link is dead
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aaronpk in which case if it pointed at an .mp3 file it could then return a URL to the waveform
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t` Assuming that is a landing page with embedded image
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aaronpk t`: yes it doesn't exist yet, hence why I am thinking about it
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t` ah
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t` its a proxy like thing
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barnabywalters aaronpk: sort of a “turn anything into an image” gateway?
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aaronpk sort yeah
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aaronpk although some instagram posts are videos
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barnabywalters that’s a cool idea
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aaronpk so I might actualyl want it to return HTML
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barnabywalters then it’s getting quite similar to oembed
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aaronpk like <img src=""> or <video src="">
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barnabywalters except way simpler
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aaronpk yeah basically oembed as a service and simpler
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aaronpk and for things that don't support oembed
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barnabywalters downside to returning HTML is that it’s harder to directly embed
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aaronpk why is that harder to directly embed?
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@Sociability @davewiner makes a case for POSSE to facebook http://scripting.com/2014/08/24/whyWorkWithFacebook.html - see http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (via @kevinmarks) (twitter.com/_/status/503641022883438594)
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aaronpk oh yeah cause it requires server-side processing you mean?
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aaronpk i'm ok with that
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barnabywalters you have to either include it inline or embed using an iframe or object
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GWG aaronpk: Doesn't everything get better with iteration? With some rare exceptions?
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aaronpk GWG: yes :) It's just been quite a while since i've used a new version
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aaronpk barnabywalters: oh and the other thing this service does is references the original media (instagram CDN, etc) if possible, and if/when the silo goes away switches to serving its own copies of the files
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t` GWG: http://imgace.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/sometimes-evolution-sucks.jpg
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barnabywalters aaronpk: that would be super useful
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barnabywalters this would be a great little project to release separately from p3k for others to use/deploy
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aaronpk yeah! that's what I'm thinking!
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GWG aaronpk: I have been trying to solve that problem for a site where the CDN sometimes goes down.
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aaronpk I made a bunch of progress on the logic for this inside p3k last week but quickly realized it would be better as a separate thing
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barnabywalters it’d be great if I could just drop it into shrewdness and automatically have all of the silo-hosted assets (or at least image representations of them) stored, cached and served
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barnabywalters it’s already a performance problem on my rather large dashboard
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aaronpk heh
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barnabywalters although that can be mitigated by loading fewer posts per column, and only loading images when they’re scrolled into view
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aaronpk yeah totally. that's why i'm thinking about it as a subdomain of my site, totally unrelated to my main content
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aaronpk just realized that twitter and facebook basically already do this
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aaronpk they take whatever image they find in a post URL then serve it from their CDN
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aaronpk I just started serving local copies of instagram URLs I link to in posts: http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2012/09/15/2/ which is where this all came from
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t` nathan needs to team up with elon musk and take over the world
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barnabywalters wonders how often aaronpk’s sidebar “watching” field is updated
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tantek who is nathan?
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aaronpk barnabywalters: the sidebar changes depending on the date of the post you're looking at :)
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t` @natronics
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t` The person in the above picture
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barnabywalters oh hey it’s different on different posts — cool! so how do you change the details?
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aaronpk there's a folder of the things
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aaronpk it's pretty hacky
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aaronpk I make a filename like 2013-03-08_2013-05-01.md and whatever is in that file gets put into the sidebar for posts during that date range
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barnabywalters nothing wrong with that
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t` Sounds like something tantek would do...
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tantek t` we need to get @natronics his own website if he's going to take over the world.
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tantek ;)
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aaronpk barnabywalters: I thought it would be fun to make that a sort of snapshot of things over time
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Loqi [mention] http://prettygoodhat.com/2014-08-24-tuning_up_my_piece_of_the_indieweb.html linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://prettygoodhat.com/2014-08-24-tuning_up_my_piece_of_the_indieweb.html linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Principles (webmention)
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t` tantek: I think he owns http://mechanicalintegrator.com/
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tantek a domain is a good start - now we need to get him to put something visible on it! Like at least some links to his twitter and github so he can get IndieAuth setup. http://indiewebcamp.com/indiemark#Level_1
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t` So the downside to hosting your own indiewebsite on your laptop is that if you format your computer and don't back it up, it kinda disappears
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aaronpk I think that's more of a downside to not backing things up
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t` Good point
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t` Thats why the cloud is so convenient, I hardly back anything up on my local machine anymore
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GWG aaronpk: What would you use to code that subdomain functionality?
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aaronpk you back up the version in the "cloud" though right?
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aaronpk GWG: it'd probably be a small php project, since I already have a bunch of the functionality written in PHP
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tantek t` and by "the cloud" you mean "a web server" right?
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GWG aaronpk: I'd be interested possibly, if you ever post the code
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t` It's not really a backup, like a snapshot of my hard drive, its piecemeal. Like my contacts are in google, my code is in github, etc
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aaronpk that's not really backed up at all
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t` Which is why I said i don't do backups ;)
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aaronpk GWG: cool yeah it would definitely be open source and hopefully easy to drop on to any php server
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@BarnabyWalters @schussman great work getting webmention comments set up on your site, and thanks for the kind words… http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4XmLrh/ (twitter.com/_/status/503645863353544704)
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barnabywalters is FxOS the new abbreviation for FFOS then?
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tantek barnabywalters: I think FxOS has always been the abbreviation for Firefox OS. FFOS is the lesser used abbreviation.
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barnabywalters interesting, I can’t remember ever having seen FxOS used
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barnabywalters although it does seem like fxos is used more and is more specific: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=FxOS vs https://duckduckgo.com/?q=FFOS
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/kevinmarks/503628678048133120/93659884 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (webmention)
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tantek didn't mean to kill the chat with all the wiki edits - sorry about that!
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GWG Hi, tantek
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tantek hello GWG!
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tantek GWG, I'm checking back a couple of days in the logs to see if I missed anything interesting.
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GWG tantek: I need your advice
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tantek How about you, anything indieweb-interesting to you in the past couple of days?
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tantek ask away!
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GWG I've put up a primitive version of my h-card widget
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GWG And I was having so much trouble because of you
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GWG Indirectly, of course
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tantek does that sometimes. >:)
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GWG It's about the People Focused Communications stuff
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tantek excellent!
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GWG So, let me show yuo
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GWG http://tiny.n9n.us/
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GWG So, the icons at the top are the syndication icons.
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GWG So, the same page elsewhere
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GWG Inside the h-card, which is set up as a Wordpress widget, I want to have the communications methods
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GWG This is where the People Focused part comes in
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tantek cool
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GWG I want a set that would work on desktop and mobile. But no system handles the same basic set
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Loqi gives GWG a set that would work on desktop and mobile
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tantek Lol. Thanks Loqi. Always so helpful. ;)
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Loqi you're welcome
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GWG So, the big problem is, if you decide you want a basic set, what do you use?
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GWG I could always serve a different set based on User Agent, but...
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GWG one step at a time
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GWG This has been holding me up as I try to figure out what goes in it
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GWG That is why a simple view is taking me too long.
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tantek GWG - correct, and I haven't written those building blocks yet.
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tantek note: http://tantek.com/2014/067/b1/building-blocks-people-focused-mobile-communication
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tantek and how far I've gotten by what's linked. and I should link the CSS one too to the work done during IWC 2014 at NYC and Berlin
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GWG tantek: I've looked at that. I also wrote my response
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tantek note that Logic, Client Platform Detection, and Contextual Tests are also not yet developed
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GWG https://david.shanske.com/articles/2014/07/07/unified-contextual-communications/
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tantek right - I read that
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GWG I read yours too
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tantek though that was more of a response to the original article
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tantek the quote you have is from the original post, not the building blocks post!
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GWG I said response, didn't I?
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GWG I read them all though
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GWG Every single one
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GWG I promise
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GWG But, I'm trying to figure out an interim form
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tantek you said it was a response to building blocks, but you quoted the article before that
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GWG Oh
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tantek so it *reads* like a response to http://tantek.com/2013/338/b1/people-focused-mobile-communication-experience
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GWG It was a response to all of them, I think
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tantek does a view source and looks for in-reply-to markup...
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GWG I suppose I could just do a link to a contact form
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GWG tantek: My site doesn't do multi-response
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tantek your posts link to multiple things
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tantek so I'm not sure what you mean by "doesn't do multi-response"
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GWG Yes. But the Response UI doesn't.
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GWG I could code it manually
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tantek it's odd to see a quotation without a citation of the quote!
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GWG I'll work on it for Version 2 of the Taxonomy plugin
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tantek the “What if our mobile devices focused on people first … " quote
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tantek GWG, I manually added a link to your post from the original: http://tantek.com/2013/338/b1/people-focused-mobile-communication-experience#people-focused-comments
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GWG I'll make a note to fix the citation
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GWG Either way, what's an interim option, do you think?
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GWG Email is the only one I can think of that works everywhere
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tantek the best analysis of that is in the "URLs for …" post
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tantek where I also noted some of the additional conditional building blocks that were needed
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tantek http://tantek.com/2014/084/b1/urls-people-focused-mobile-communication#next-url-steps
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tantek GWG, the aim: skype: and Twitter DM URLs in that article should all work fairly cross-platform cross-device
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GWG I look forward to more on the matter. I've been looking at things.
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tantek if you want to just minimize to a common subset
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GWG tantek: Skype doesn't work on my desktop
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tantek no Skype client?
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GWG I checked. It doesn't register on Linux
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GWG Skype works, but not the URL
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tantek that's good to know
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tantek what is Skype?
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Loqi Skype is a communication service that provides text chat, and audio/video calling service via native applications on desktop (Mac, Windows), and mobile (iOS, Android) http://indiewebcamp.com/Skype
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GWG I'm this close to setting up a system to send push messages to my phone
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GWG tantek: It may be Fedora. For all I know, it works great on Ubuntu
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GWG Anyone know if there is a danger to having a script that would push a message to my phone when anyone fills out a form?
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tantek GWG if you have any more details, e.g. version of Skype app, version of Fedora, please add to http://indiewebcamp.com/Skype#Lacks_skype_URL_support_on_Fedora
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GWG I'll check again. I haven't installed Skype on this machine
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tantek GWG re: such push messages, see http://indiewebcamp.com/mention-app
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GWG I'm aware. I remember discussing it
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GWG I was talking about something simpler for now
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tantek that would be great to document your thoughts about something simpler
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GWG I mentioned it in chat, but...
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tantek right - capture it on the page
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tantek and definitely let us know what your experience is with installing Skype on your new machine
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GWG It isn't new
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tantek if the issue with launching from skype: URLs remains or not
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GWG I just replaced the hard drive on this system
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GWG So I installed the OS clean
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GWG Installing Skype now
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tantek great
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GWG I have Skype on another
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tantek cool. if it doesn't work on that one, then document the versions (of Skype, Fedora)
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GWG There
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GWG Got a skype URI I can click?
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GWG What page am I documenting failure on?
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GWG There it is
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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caseorganic tantek: did you get confirmation on the MIT venue for IndieWebCamp cambridge? you mentioned a capacity of 60 people, correct? Do you have details about which room it might be at on campus?
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caseorganic !tell tantek: did you get confirmation on the MIT venue for IndieWebCamp cambridge? you mentioned a capacity of 60 people, correct? Do you have details about which room it might be at on campus?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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caseorganic !tell tantek: i'm about to start promoting cyborgcamp.com and indiewebcamp cambridge and want to make sure i have all of the details ironed out
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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GWG caseorganic: Are only cyborgs permitted to attend?
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caseorganic GWG: absolutely not! it's for everyone and anyone interested in the future of humans and technology
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t` We are all cyborgs man
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t` caseorganic: IS that going to be in november?
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caseorganic t`: it will be Oct 10, 2014 at MIT Media Lab
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t` I mean cyborgcamp
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GWG Fun.
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t` Or are they at same place/time
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t` Also <-- Not tantek
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aaronpk just figured out who t` is
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GWG Anyway...
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t` aaronpk: What gave it away?
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GWG Since tantek didn't have any ideas...
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GWG Anyone have any suggestions about what contact info to put in an h-card display?
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t` GWG: email/twitter/bitcoin address
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t` Never miss an opportunity for people to give you money
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aaronpk nothing in particular
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GWG Twitter is a syndication link
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GWG I'm putting them elsewhere
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aaronpk a link to your twitter profile makes sense, especially if it has rel=me
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GWG aaronpk: I have those outside of the h-card though
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aaronpk will everyone also have those outside who is using this?
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GWG I want to put only communications methods inside.
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t` How do you do rel=me in markdown?
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GWG aaronpk: Does that affect anything?
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t` I'm trying to start a jekyll blog
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t` Ah this look hopeful: http://adhipg.in/notes/using-custom-attributes-in-markdown-links/
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aaronpk t`: I think there are some extensions to markdown that support adding attributes, but not in core
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aaronpk GWG: twitter DMs could be considered a communication method
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t` Ah I can just type raw html
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bret woop, got CI and test coverage reporting all automated :) pretty easy once you pin down all the information on how to do it https://github.com/bcomnes/gitpub/blob/master/README.md
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caseorganic t`: GWG: CyborgCamp will be one day before indiewebcamp in Cambridge at MIT! I've had cyborgcamps on and off for the last 6 years. CyborgCamp 10/10/14, IndieWebCamp Cambridge 10/11/14-10/12/14
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t` But I don't live in cambridge...
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t` Not yet anyway
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GWG aaronpk: So, a DM link in the h-card, a Twitter account link in the rel=me section.
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aaronpk that would work!
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GWG caseorganic: Perhaps I will be able to come up to Boston
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GWG caseorganic: If not, video
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GWG aaronpk: But what else? I've covered email.
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t` Ack in jeykll it looks like raw html links and markdown generated links have slighly different colours...
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GWG That's 2
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GWG And the third I'm thinking is a form that sends a Pushover notice to my phone.
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t` Pushover?
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GWG pushover.net
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t` ah like urban airship
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aaronpk not really lol
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bret t` jekyll does not determine color, that must be the CSS that is included in the site
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GWG Pushover is the poor man's way of doing Push Notifications multi-platform
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defmoves hello
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bret hi defmoves
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bret first time here?
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defmoves Yes
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bret welcome
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bret :)
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tantek Loq, playback recent messages.
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Loqi tantek: caseorganic left you a message 34 minutes ago: did you get confirmation on the MIT venue for IndieWebCamp cambridge? you mentioned a capacity of 60 people, correct? Do you have details about which room it might be at on campus?
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tantek Loqi, playback recent messages.
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Loqi woot!
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defmoves Thanks! :)
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Loqi tantek: caseorganic left you a message 33 minutes ago: i'm about to start promoting cyborgcamp.com and indiewebcamp cambridge and want to make sure i have all of the details ironed out
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bret defmoves how did you find your way here?
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tantek awesome!
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tantek caseorganic, sandro volunteered to organize the MIT venue for IndieWebCamp
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bret caseorganic thats a slick looking cyborgcamp website!
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tantek he participated in IndieWebCamp 2014 at NYC
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caseorganic tantek: shall i get in touch with sandro here or is there another way?
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caseorganic bret: thanks a bunch! you'll be catching this conf, right?
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tantek caseorganic he does pop in here from time to time, let's add him as a co-organizer. always good to have the venue person as a co-organizer
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tantek caseorganic: I will try to come to cyborgcamp too if it is possible
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bret i wish, I'll be busy with my last quarter of PSU
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caseorganic tantek: ok. who is sedro, btw? context?
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caseorganic bret: drat
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bret :[
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tantek caseorganic: http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Guest_List##Sandro
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bret ill go to the next one, promise
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defmoves Bret: I saw Jeremy Keith's talk at the indie web summit. Made a note, lost it, found it again.
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caseorganic bret: you should go to http://ziggy.is/
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caseorganic bret: as you'll be in town for it
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caseorganic tantek: excellent, thank you #lazyweb
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caseorganic tantek: great, do you talk with sandro often? i'm happy with him being a co-organizer then
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tantek defmoves, interesting, what else did you get out of the "indie web summit" ?
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bret caseorganic way cool! btw that reminds me. thought you might like this: http://store.steampowered.com/app/243000/ maybe you have seen it?
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tantek caseorganic: he's semi-active in the new W3C Social Web Working Group
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tantek and the #social channel on irc.w3.org
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bret yes thats davd bowie in an early 2000 pc game :)
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tantek pops over there
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caseorganic bret: cool! let's take this discussion to #indiechat
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bret rgr
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bret defmoves sweet! hope you stay a while. there are some pretty fun discussions here, and the channel is a really helpful place to get started on setting up your own website and integrating with indieweb building blocks
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tantek defmoves, do you have your own site?
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defmoves Bret: That there's a growing number of people concered with a centralised web. That it's down to those who work & play on it to create solutions/alternatives.
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bret we also have the http://indiewebcamp.com wiki, irc logs http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/today. when you get a chance, you are encoraged to add yourself to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people
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bret encouraged*
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tantek caseorganic: would you like me to help as a co-organizer as well, or just help connect you and Sandro and get that going? (totally ok just providing background help like that)
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kylewm bret++ yay for tests and CI. I've been cowboying it so far, but tests are moving up my priority list quickly
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Loqi bret has 22 karma
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defmoves tantek: I'm in the process of setting one up. It's a ghost blog, but it's not finished yet.
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bret :)
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tantek defmoves - awesome! do you have a domain name already?
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caseorganic tantek: yes, please! i'd like that. especially as i'll be organizing the cyborgcamp the day before
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bret kylewm, travis ci and code climate offer some easy to use free for open source options
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caseorganic tantek: aaronpk is bringing professional livestream equipment this time for cyborgcamp. could be done for indiewebcamp
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tantek caseorganic: ok great! to be clear, I'm going to be assuming you're still leading this one up and I will help out :)
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defmoves tantek: Soon.
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defmoves Bret: Thanks for the links, I'll loook them up.
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KevinMarks_ aaronpk: have you seen the audio things echonest does?
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aaronpk haven't looked at echonest in a while
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tantek KevinMarks_: does echnoest now support indieweb-audio things?
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tantek brb
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caseorganic !tell tantek: yes, that is correct. i will still lead and then ask for help when necessary from you! right now getting that venue down is perfect
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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KevinMarks_ things like infinite jukebox and Girl talk in a Box where they analyse the tracks for beats
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aaronpk right now i'm just focused on replicating soundcloud on my site, I don't need anything fancy
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KevinMarks_ http://echonest.github.io/remix/
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GWG How many people put communications methods up that might lead to possible harassment/annoyance?
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KevinMarks_ everyone on twitter?
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bret defmoves ghost looks way cool. They just updated there backend i hear.
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bret I want to steal ghosts editor and make it work with static sites
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GWG KevinMarks_: I'm thinking about people putting up SIP, telephone, SMS, etc on their sites?
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defmoves Bret: Yeah the whole admin panel is sleek and intuitive, and the splitscreen markdown/html editor is a joy to work with.
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bret defmoves how does it store content? does it expose a file system interface to the user? or is it in db somewhere
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tantek Loqi, messages?
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Loqi tantek: caseorganic left you a message 8 minutes ago: yes, that is correct. i will still lead and then ask for help when necessary from you! right now getting that venue down is perfect
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tantek caseorganic, excellent. I'll continue wrangling :)
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caseorganic tantek++
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defmoves bret: It's in the DB. The interface is very stripped down. General settings, content review, new post. That's it. It's all very focused on blogging.
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KevinMarks_ aaronpk: did you see https://github.com/bbcrd/waveform-data.js
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aaronpk KevinMarks_: that's neat. hadn't seen that one but did find the c++ program it's based on
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KevinMarks_ BBC RD have been doing some neat web audio things
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aaronpk yeah really
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aaronpk looks like all their things are based on a server-side c++ app that analyzes the audio file and outputs JSON or a .dat file with the raw waveform data
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aaronpk i'm leaning towards using that c++ program and then rendering the waveform myself in svg
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KevinMarks_ echonest is similar - they have analysis server side
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aaronpk and using http://jplayer.org/latest/demo-01/
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aaronpk i'm determined to make my own soundcloud dammit :)
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KevinMarks how does a browser-based irc client time out?
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tantek KevinMarks: however the JS+backend middleware decides to ;)
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KevinMarks aaronpk: known does soundcloud POSSE
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tantek GWG, re: "communications methods up that might lead to possible harassment/annoyance" - I get about 1-2 spam/phishing attempts via my AIM.
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KevinMarks usecase: http://www.andrewmarks.media/content/streamingmedia/
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tantek bret, re: " They [Ghost] just updated there[sic] backend i hear" - time to retry the pull request to add microformats? http://indiewebcamp.com/Ghost#Rejected_microformats2_markup_in_default_theme
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aaronpk KevinMarks: yeah! I'm just trying to have a nice player on my site
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KevinMarks what kind of audio are you goign to host, aaron?
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bret tantek I dunno, might be worth a shot
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aaronpk mostly short songs for now, but also want to create permalinks for all the music that's already on my site
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aaronpk http://aaronparecki.com/music
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tantek bret - if you're familiar with that community, perhaps give barnabywalter's pull request another shot?
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KevinMarks neat
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bret im not really involved in the ghost community, just spoken with a number of users and read their sites
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KevinMarks internet archive will host if your recordings are CC
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bret maybe a fork of the default theme would be a good place to start first this time, and then ask if it could be included
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aaronpk snarfed: kylewm: does bridgy need a website to have a rel=me link to twitter for it to work?
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aaronpk i think the answer is no
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tantek bret - so far we haven't had anyone here who used Ghost as their primary site
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tantek hopefully defmoves will make some progress!
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snarfed aaronpk: nope
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defmoves tantek: LOL, thanks, I'll keep you guys posted, although - full disclosure - I'm an indieweb noob!
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tantek defmoves that's great! we're all learning here, so you're in good company :)
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defmoves tantek: thanks!
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pktest well this should be fun
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pktest who wants to try this out?
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KevinMarks whats that?
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pktest http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-08-24?beta
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aaronpk it's a litte rough around the edges still
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KevinReMarks interesting indeed
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KevinReMarks though this is a very small text entry field
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KevinMarks what happens if you try for an existing nick?
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KevinMarks1 aha, it appends a 1
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aaronpk freenode takes care of that
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aaronpk or maybe it's the irc library
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aaronpk i didn't have to do anything for it
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pktest pretty neat huh?
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KevinMarks1 neat
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KevinMarks1 I think we have a winner
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KevinMarks1 though may also need a reconnect button
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KevinMarks1 if it had thta it would beat CIRC
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pktest i'm sure lots of edge cases are not handled right now
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pktest there's always refresh
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GWG I hate CIRC
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bob1 Hmm...
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bob1 Not bad
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pktest it's also quite likely that at some point some uncaught error will crash the node process that's running this
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bob1 How do you verify with nickserv?
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bob1 /nick NotBob
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GWG That didn't work
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aaronpk bob1: you use a real IRC client
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GWG aaronpk: I am
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GWG And I'm not Bob
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KevinMarks1 /msg kevinmarks hello
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KevinMarks mm-hm
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aaronpk I mean if you know what identifying with nickserv means then you should probabbly be using a real IRC client
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defmoves goodnight people
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KevinMarks lets hope people don't try msging nickserv to verify
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Loqi don't let the bed bugs bite
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aaronpk ha
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aaronpk I could just not send any messages that start with /
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aaronpk that's what normal irc clients do, I should do that
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KevinMarks probably a good defensive move
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KevinMarks are clients supposed to handle that specially then?
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KevinMarks I thought it was a server thing
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KevinMarks1 it's been a while since I did irc hacking
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aaronpk it's a client thing IIRC
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aaronpk same with /me
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aaronpk that's actually a message like this: \u0001ACTION says hi\u0001
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KevinMarks and msg's don't go to the web people either
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KevinMarks oh hang on
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KevinMarks nope, they don't get them
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aaronpk oh private messages? hmm
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aaronpk yeah not sure where they'd go
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KevinMarks they're some kind of magic channel I think
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aaronpk well I mean where in the interface would I show them?
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pktest wavs
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aaronpk yay
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Tantek Testing from iPod
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Tantek Wow this is surreal.
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Tantek Didn't need to identify with nickserv
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pktest nickserv must be case sensitive?
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aaronpk_ unexpected
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aaronpk_ well this should lower the barrier for people to jump in here
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gRegor` What am I missing with the IRC log beta link?
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aaronpk_ just need to clean it up a little
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aaronpk_ gRegor`: click "join" at the bottom
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aaronpk_ ha now I want tab-complete on the website
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GWG HI, gRegor`
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GWG I've been meaning to set up Weechat to do the same thing
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aaronpk_ that sounds like too much work
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gRegornobacktick Well, hello
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gRegor` This is slick
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aaronpk it's pretty nuts
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aaronpk especially cause it's all native browser APIs, no jquery, and relativey little code
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gRegor` Except for the missing nickname list, It hink I like it better than Chatzilla
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gRegor` Hey, GWG
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barnabywalters aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 550 karma
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GWG gRegor: How's the deep dish and stuffed pizza?
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barnabywalters add in tab complete and this replaces colloquy :)
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GWG gRegor: What's new in Indieweb land for you?
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gRegor` Not much, really. Haven't done much since last HWC