#indiewebcamp 2014-09-03

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KevinMarks_ though the site I made for my dad is a few rel's away from being indieweb compliant: https://web.archive.org/web/20120220132656/http://www.ertnet.demon.co.uk/index.html
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KevinMarks_ that was up from ~1996 to 2012
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KevinMarks_ staticsites++
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Loqi staticsites has 1 karma
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KevinMarks_ though he never used the blog
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aaronpk benwerd: so what's the status of your interest in micropub for Known?
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benwerd aaronpk: high
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Loqi benwerd: kylewm left you a message on 8/27 at 7:50pm: my replies to you still don't seem to show up! lemme know if I should stop bugging you about it https://kylewm.com/reply/2014/08/28/1/maybe-like-judd-apatow-movies-definitely
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Loqi benwerd: tantek left you a message 5 days ago: could you post an indie event and FB POSSE copy for http://indiewebcamp.com/events/2014-09-10-homebrew-website-club I know you can't make it yourself but an indie event would be great to have anyway!
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Loqi benwerd: tantek left you a message on 8/28 at 11:46pm: that's a great article from 2006!
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benwerd really must check in more often
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benwerd aaronpk: so there is an indiepub plugin, but I'm not sure if it goes as far as you're thinking ..?
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kylewm benwerd: I figured (understandably) you were on IRC hiatus until demo day!
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benwerd I'm taking a break ;)
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aaronpk oh?
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benwerd aaronpk: https://github.com/idno/indiepub
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aaronpk it works?
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benwerd It's tested as working, but is very early and needs some work.
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benwerd It uses your IndieAuth endpoint
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aaronpk sweet! working enough to add to the list of micropub clients? http://indiewebcamp.com/micropub#Clients
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benwerd Oh! Yes
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benwerd Will add
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aaronpk er, not clients.
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aaronpk indieweb examples
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werd.io edited /Micropub (+333) "/* Clients */" (view diff)
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werd.io edited /Micropub (-333) "/* Clients */" (view diff)
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werd.io edited /Micropub (+334) "/* IndieWeb Examples */" (view diff)
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KevinMarks_ benwerd: is micropub enabled on withknown?
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benwerd KevinMarks_: I was just thinking about that - it is not. I need to test it against the very latest code, and then I'll make it available both there and in the released installer.
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aaronpk yay! :)
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Loqi :D
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benwerd Worth saying: September 11 is the release date.
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aaronpk awesome!
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aaronpk are you coming to pdx for xoxo by chance?
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benwerd I am so sad about it, but no, not this time. SF demo day is Sep 11 (hence the release) and then we fly to NY for *another* demo day at the Paley Center on the 16th.
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benwerd Just couldn't make it work.
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aaronpk ahh yeha
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@Uebyn RT @kyle_wm: @Uebyn @techlifeweb definitely! even the most readily-available #indieweb platforms (e.g. @withknown) are still very…https://t… (twitter.com/_/status/506965625860673537)
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benwerd If anyone knows of anyone we should be talking to in NY, or who *is* in NY and would like to say hello, we'll be there from September 14 - 21.
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benwerd Related: Spotify tells me that I've now listened to "Under Pressure" ten times in a row. Oops.
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@kevinmarks » @KentBeck: be patient for abstraction and impatient for experience « #indieweb #microformats (twitter.com/_/status/506966195350695936)
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KevinMarks_ I'll be at xoxo and will get ben to set me up with known demos/stickers etc.
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aaronpk hooray!
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@chanezon RT @kevinmarks: » @KentBeck: be patient for abstraction and impatient for experience « #indieweb #microformats (twitter.com/_/status/506967669069717504)
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acegiak_ anyone using linux/xfce got recommendations for a good git client?
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@techlifeweb @Uebyn @kyle_wm @withknown yes. That is my favorite #indieweb thing. It's webmentions pulled in via Bridgy. (twitter.com/_/status/506967986146934784)
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acegiak_ GWG: does this make sense? https://github.com/acegiak/indieweb-taxonomy/commit/8376e4602ba350bb74a013ae05b86fbc69755e98
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kylewm acegiak_: I use git command line 95% of the time and gitk (or gitk --all) when I get lost
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acegiak_ kylewm: yeah I'm now using hte command line and it's not as scary as people make it out to be
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kylewm acegiak_: http://stevelosh.com/blog/2013/04/git-koans/
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tantek commandline--
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Loqi commandline has -1 karma
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finchd acegiak_: here is the official list, have you tried the linux ones on here? http://www.git-scm.com/downloads/guis
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acegiak_ finchd: I'll have to go through them. I was hoping there was a standout recommendation
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finchd unfortunately, i've always used the cli in linux, a quick google normally shows me what I want to do. in wijdows I've liked sourcetree, but it is win/mac only
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kylewm can somsone else confirm that https://kylewm.com/ is hanging because of fontawesome on maxcdn.bootstrap.com?
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tantek sure
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tantek hmm just loaded
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KevinMarks_ hm, apart from borking on firefox android https://medium.com/@fat/mediums-css-is-actually-pretty-fucking-good-b8e2a6c78b06 defines u- that clashes with mf2
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finchd acegiak_: just the bottom five are linux, giteye looks promising
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tantek kylewm - I did find this problem
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tantek your post https://kylewm.com/reply/2014/09/02/2/hahaha-yes-sure-is-fun-to-say-though does not show up on the post it is in-reply-to
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tantek http://werd.io/2014/ben-werdmller-posted-if-youre-looking-at-a-wsdl-file
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tantek so … webmention problem? display problem?
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kylewm tantek: thank you for checking!
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benwerd checking it out in a bit too
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tantek continues to read kylewm's home page with a fine tooth comb. or stare
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tantek kylewm is this a checkin? or just a note with geo? https://kylewm.com/checkin/2014/09/02/1/beautiful-drive-back-from-bend-today
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tantek smacks-head as he reads the URL path.
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acegiak_ lol
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tantek hey this is neat: http://www.marcus-povey.co.uk/2014/09/01/spying-on-a-site-using-webmention-and-mf2/
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acegiak_ tantek: yeah. that's got me worried
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tantek adding to wiki now
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acegiak_ because I do things like reblog blocks of html
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acegiak_ because I like pictures etc
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kylewm tantek: lots of overlap/ambiguity in my implementation; it's... not ideal
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tantek ok enough issues to create subheads
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acegiak_ and I'm not a person who generally thinks about security
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kylewm barnaby's response to marcus is good too, not showing on his site for some reason http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4XuFfw/
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pauloppenheim Firefox "RequestPolicy" plugin mitigates this issue
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pauloppenheim i thought this was why the subject of icon caching came up a while ago?
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tantek.com edited /webmention (+421) "/* Issues */ add possible 3rd party tracking exploits and subheads to other issues" (view diff)
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tantek kylewm: definitely feel free to add to http://indiewebcamp.com/webmention#3rd_party_tracking_exploits
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tantek.com edited /antipatterns (+33) "/* WS-Deathstar */ Definitely related" (view diff)
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tantek kylewm - very impressive by your posting variety and frequency. you're living the indie web dream. nicely done.
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tantek kylewm++
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Loqi kylewm has 43 karma
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kylewm lol, thanks
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kylewm I will admit I was a little flumoxed yesterday when my site was down and I couldn't record my dinner at Blossing Lotus in PDX
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tantek kylewm - what - no offline storage in your mobile web app?
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tantek ;)
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KevinMarks_ are there open source image sanitizers?
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tantek doesn't that depend on community standards?
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KevinMarks_ I mean ones that remove malformed jpegs, pngs etc that cause buffer overrruns
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tantek KevinMarks: if there were open source image sanitizers, wouldn't they just be incorporated into open source image renderers?
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KevinMarks_ right, but we probably don't want to hotlink profile images that buffer overrun ie users
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pauloppenheim run imagemagik in a sandbox on your server, should be a reasonable pass at scrubbing malicious files
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tantek what is imagemagik?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "imagemagik" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=imagemagik
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pauloppenheim http://www.imagemagick.org/
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pauloppenheim i typo'd
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tantek np.
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tantek what is imagemagick?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "imagemagick" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=imagemagick
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tantek nope we don't have that either.
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tantek pauloppenheim: could you click that and stub a page with the URL?
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pauloppenheim ok
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pauloppenheim.com created /imagemagick (+73) "Created page with "* http://www.imagemagick.org/ * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ImageMagick"" (view diff)
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tantek pauloppenheim++ thanks!
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Loqi pauloppenheim has 2 karma
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pauloppenheim yw
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gregorlove.com moved /imagemagick to /ImageMagick "Capitalization"
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gRegor` what is imagemagick
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Loqi ImageMagick is open source software for editing images http://indiewebcamp.com/ImageMagick
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acegiak_ I should probably update the whisperfollow repos with the updates I've been making
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Loqi yea!
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acegiak_ It would be really nice for wordpress plugins to have a dependency system
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gRegor` What is GD?
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Loqi GD Graphics Library (commonly just GD) is a software library for editing images http://indiewebcamp.com/GD
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gRegor` !tell benwerd I'm getting a no_link_found when I send a webmention to you. http://gregorlove.com/notes/2014/09/02/2/
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG acegiak_: You can, sort of
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acegiak_ GWG: how?
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acegiak_ just throw an error if the pluginbisnt detected?
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GWG Yes
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GWG You can do it with a nice message in the admin
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acegiak_ yeah. might do that. also should i do a pull request on indieweb-custom-taxonomy?
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GWG The commit you sent me?
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aaronpk !tell snarfed bridgy says it last polled my facebook 3 weeks ago! I tried clicking "poll now" but nothing appears!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk !tell snarfed oh nevermind... took a while but now it says it polled again! Not sure why the long gap though!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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acegiak_ gwg: pull req sent
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GWG Ok
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colintedford.com edited /fragmention (+0) "/* Icon proposals */ Changed order to reflect chronology" (view diff)
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snarfed aaronpk: sorry for the trouble! looking
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Loqi snarfed: aaronpk left you a message 21 minutes ago: bridgy says it last polled my facebook 3 weeks ago! I tried clicking "poll now" but nothing appears!
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Loqi snarfed: aaronpk left you a message 15 minutes ago: oh nevermind... took a while but now it says it polled again! Not sure why the long gap though!
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snarfed looks like your access token may have expired? looks like the you re-authed, and then it re-polled
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tantek.com edited /https (+1295) "/* Level 2 security */ move why above how, number how tos, add How to '''secure your cookies'''" (view diff)
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tantek !tell snarfed, kylewm, bear I've updated my site to fully to level 2 as documented on /https and documented the "how to"s of what I got working here: https://indiewebcamp.com/https#Level_2_security (please review and point out any flaws in my changes)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@Raaphorst GENIAAL! "IndieAuth is a way to use your own domain name to sign in to websites." https://indieauth.com (twitter.com/_/status/507105368569573376)
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@bobdehoff RT @kevinmarks: » @KentBeck: be patient for abstraction and impatient for experience « #indieweb #microformats (twitter.com/_/status/507107971588165632)
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@alpower @gablaxian Yay! I'm up Thur evening for dConstruct and staying for IndieWebCamp. Looking forward to beers. (twitter.com/_/status/507113976023773187)
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@Raaphorst Wie is er bekend met POSSE? http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE wist ik niet. Geniaal! Ga ik mee aan de slag binnenkort. (twitter.com/_/status/507122091486097409)
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@matsbjork Gillar verkligen principerna bakom IndieWebCamp http://indiewebcamp.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/507142795283685376)
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@KristoferSjhlm RT @matsbjork: Gillar verkligen principerna bakom IndieWebCamp http://indiewebcamp.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/507143180538888193)
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@brennannovak @iA it's obnoxious, the few things about Twitter that made it not like Facesuck- they change. Another reason why we need the #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/507161968147726336)
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@kyle_wm @Uebyn sure! btw, you’re always welcome to pop in the #indiewebcamp IRC channel on freenode if you find something yo…https://kylewm.com/reply/2014/09/03/2/sure-btw-you-re-always-welcome-to (twitter.com/_/status/507164819254804480)
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barnabywalters shrewdness users: on next refresh you should notice a huge performance boost
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barnabywalters it now only loads the first 10 items of each column, loading more when you scroll the last item into view
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barnabywalters also new items are appended to the top of each column every 15 seconds, but there’s no useful notification yet
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tommorris barnabywalters: just realised you are coming to Brighton at the weekend. ;-)
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barnabywalters tommorris: yep! really looking forward to it
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tommorris https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q85327 - hCard in Wikidata. ;-)
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barnabywalters ooooh — what does that do?
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tommorris it's the database that will at some point power a large chunk of Wikipedia.
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tommorris I got "standards body" approved as a property today. so, microformats.org is now a standards body for hCard and hCalendar in Wikidata. ;-)
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tommorris and W3C, WHATWG, and IETF and so on are for other stuff...
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tommorris barnabywalters: if Wikipedia is the encyclopedia anyone can edit, Wikidata is the triplestore/database anyone can edit.
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snarfed !tell aaronpk, caseorganic btw, on the topic of bridgy facebook access expiring, looks like amber's expired too. amber, you can click on the yellow pause icon to reconnect it! https://www.brid.gy/facebook/31600719
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Loqi snarfed: tantek left you a message 9 hours, 2 minutes ago: I've updated my site to fully to level 2 as documented on /https and documented the "how to"s of what I got working here: https://indiewebcamp.com/https#Level_2_security (please review and point out any flaws in my changes)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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snarfed tantek: nice work! i'm going to put the original secure flag link back, since it's not language specific, but i'll keep the php one too
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barnabywalters does micropub not have a logo yet?
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jonnybarnes does it need one?
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barnabywalters I’m building the “currently logged in as” status bar in Shrewdness and want some small visual indicator of micropub support
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ben_thatmustbeme no micropub icon yet is there
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ben_thatmustbeme hmm
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barnabywalters I’ve just gone for putting MP in a little blue circle for the moment
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ben_thatmustbeme i'm having a hard time conceptualizing shrewdness it looks to do a lot
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barnabywalters ben_thatmustbeme: heh, it actually doesn’t do very much at the moment :) I can give you access if you want to poke around it
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ben_thatmustbeme sure
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ben_thatmustbeme if it crawls all your contacts on various sites i'd certainly be interested, I'm looking to do the same with something. bring all your contacts in to a single contact list
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ben_thatmustbeme and from there be able to group and whitelist for your own info, etc
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barnabywalters ben_thatmustbeme: okay, try logging into http://shrewdness.waterpigs.co.uk/
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kylewm whoa, IRC logs just started showing up in shrewdness https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/38780898/shrewdness-irc-logs.png
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barnabywalters ben_thatmustbeme: nope, it’s a feed reader :)
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Loqi kylewm: tantek left you a message 9 hours, 38 minutes ago: I've updated my site to fully to level 2 as documented on /https and documented the "how to"s of what I got working here: https://indiewebcamp.com/https#Level_2_security (please review and point out any flaws in my changes)
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barnabywalters kylewm: yep, I just changed the user agent
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barnabywalters it’ll be interesting to see how well shrewdness handles having IRC data pouring in, both in the backend and the UI
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kylewm barnabywalters++
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Loqi barnabywalters has 60 karma
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barnabywalters also: just added a status bar with current URL, micropub support indicator and logout form
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kylewm the load on demand stuff is really nice too, barnaby
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barnabywalters at some point it will fetch your name and profile photo too
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barnabywalters kylewm: thanks! Shrewdness is now beating twitter on that particular feature, as there’s no 3200 tweet limit :)
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kylewm if i unsubscribe from irc/logs will they eventually disappear from search results?
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kylewm or are they there forever
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barnabywalters kylewm: FOREVER
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kylewm lol, oops sorry about that
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barnabywalters of course, I can delete them if they become a problem :)
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barnabywalters oh wow now we’re getting loqi’s posts of #indieweb tweets as separate posts
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ben_thatmustbeme barnabywalters++ this is pretty cool
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Loqi barnabywalters has 61 karma
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barnabywalters might have to implement some sort of de-duping
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barnabywalters ben_thatmustbeme: thanks!
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kylewm interesting that Loqi's posts show up as being from tantek.com
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Loqi grins profusely
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kylewm sorry, not Loqi
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barnabywalters kylewm: yeah, that’s a weird one. but there are known bugs in my current authorship algorithm
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kylewm join/part notifications from the channel show up as tantek.com
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barnabywalters his is probably the first h-card on the page, so it’s using that
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kylewm ohh, makes sense
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ben_thatmustbeme also using it to subscribe to my own site to make sure its working properly
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ben_thatmustbeme still unsure how i will deal with extended h-card bit on my site. I may just link to my /contact page with rel=me
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ben_thatmustbeme woah, that was messing with me. Went to select all the text on the column title and ended up moving the column
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barnabywalters ben_thatmustbeme: ah yep, I haven’t figured out a good grip handle yet
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barnabywalters (and reordering columns isn’t actually persistent)
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barnabywalters but you can click the name to change it, and select then
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ben_thatmustbeme also .column-body should not have overflow-y set
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ben_thatmustbeme or rather should be default, the duel scrollbars was messing with me
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barnabywalters hrm okay I’ll look into that
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barnabywalters thanks for the feedback!
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kylewm this will look even better with https://github.com/aaronpk/indiewebcamp-irc-logs/issues/1
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ben_thatmustbeme so are you looking to make use of micropub then i take it
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barnabywalters doing meatspace things now, back later
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kylewm ben_thatmustbeme: reply via micropub already works!
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ben_thatmustbeme ohhhh
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ben_thatmustbeme barnabywalters++ even better
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kylewm Loqi?
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ben_thatmustbeme maybe because i already gave him a point
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ben_thatmustbeme Loqi++
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Loqi Loqi has 294 karma
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ben_thatmustbeme yep
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GWG Anyone have any opinions about wiki software? I know indiewebcamp.com uses it.
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tommorris use MediaWiki. Everything else is inadequate. MediaWiki sucks but it sucks less than everything else.
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ben_thatmustbeme !tell barnabywalters, its likely an issue on my end, but micropub for reply didn't see to work for me. It claimed it posted though.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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ben_thatmustbeme !tell barnabywalters its likely an issue on my end, but micropub for reply didn't see to work for me. It claimed it posted though.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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ben_thatmustbeme gah
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tommorris If anyone suggests using Confluence, find a very tall building and ensure that they trip off the top of it accidentally.
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ben_thatmustbeme i always forget and put the comma
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ben_thatmustbeme haha tommorris
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Loqi hehe
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kylewm tommorris: GWG: how about dokuwiki? that would've been my go to before just now
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ben_thatmustbeme no actually you want microsoft sharepoint i think
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ben_thatmustbeme i've only used mediawiki, and it has done everything i expected it to. Perhaps I just don't know what I'm missing
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GWG I need something lightweight. Only for 5 users
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tommorris kylewm: they use a crazy syntax that's not mediawiki. it's a freaking mess.
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tommorris MediaWiki syntax is a mess, but there's like 100 million pages of that mess so it isn't going anywhere.
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GWG kylewm, sell me?
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kylewm GWG: no way, I am happy to defer to tommorris on wiki-related things
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GWG tommorris, 5 users, password protected. Go...
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tommorris I'd still go with MediaWiki. It's simple, there's plenty of documentation, and it's battle-tested.
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GWG Ok.
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pdurbin GWG: I'm fond of http://ikiwiki.info
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GWG I suppose if I added collaborative editing, you'd suggest etherpad?
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pdurbin with ikiwiki I write in markdown and commit the files to git
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tommorris Yep, anything markdown+git based is a good lightweight alternative to MW.
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pdurbin tommorris: know of any other wiki's that are markdown+git? there's gollum but I don't like the flat namespace
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kylewm (tommorris: looking at the doku wiki syntax now, i see it is in the uncanny valley between "not mediawiki" and "not entirely not mediawiki". that is unforutnate)
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GWG It is similar to Indiewebcamp in needs. A collaborative workspace and a wiki for reference materials
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tommorris pdurbin: Gollum is irritating. IkiWiki looks neat though. :)
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pdurbin one can make ikiwiki look nice. i.e. http://www.dragonflybsd.org
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kylewm oh lol, ikiwiki is joeyh... that guy is EVERYWHERE
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kylewm pdurbin++
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Loqi pdurbin has 1 karma
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pdurbin \o/
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pdurbin yeah, joeyh is great
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kylewm ben_thatmustbeme: try micropub via http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/new/ if you haven't ... it has better debugging info than shrewdness atm
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ben_thatmustbeme thanks kylewm. I think i found the issue.... https://github.com/dissolve/openblog/blob/master/blog/controller/auth/micropub.php#L49
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ben_thatmustbeme doh
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ben_thatmustbeme https://github.com/dissolve/openblog/blob/d40c64c9201f9b31a02aaf0cd39dba5668317d27/blog/controller/auth/micropub.php#L49
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ben_thatmustbeme that rather, since i already corrected it
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aaronpk gooooooooooooooooood morning
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Loqi aaronpk: snarfed left you a message 1 hour, 29 minutes ago: btw, on the topic of bridgy facebook access expiring, looks like amber's expired too. amber, you can click on the yellow pause icon to reconnect it! https://www.brid.gy/facebook/31600719
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neuro` Morning aaronpk
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GWG What is the absolute cheapest tld?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "the absolute cheapest tld" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=the+absolute+cheapest+tld
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kylewm ben_thatmustbeme: aww, hah that is always annoying. i too create merge conflicts with myself more than anyone in their right mind should
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neuro` GWG: .info iirc, used to be 1 euro
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aaronpk !tell snarfed oh is that what happened? I didn't see a bridgy notification this time :(
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KartikPrabhu any messages Loqi?
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Loqi :)
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GWG No, .info is more than com
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neuro` GWG: it's used to be much cheaper thanks to a 1 year special offer. You can get a .mx for 9 euros at gandi.net
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ben_thatmustbeme excellent. love that using shrewdness got me to fix and add functionality to my code
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KevinMarks__ It's good to have a reason
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ben_thatmustbeme indeed. I am a reason motivated person. If I have a task I'll do all types of things to get there, but if its just kinda there, i don't really find the motivation
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ben_thatmustbeme s/reason/task
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme meant to say: indeed. I am a task motivated person. If I have a task I'll do all types of things to get there, but if its just kinda there, i don't really find the motivation
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jonnybarnes theres a couple of domains listed for $12.50 here: https://iwantmyname.com/domains/domain-name-registration-list-of-extensions
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sparverius .pw is really cheap right now
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sparverius on namecheap, at least
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KevinMarks__ Hover is selling .link for $5
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GWG I just saw that.
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GWG For the first year
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KevinMarks___ With the caveat that you need a UK address
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KevinMarks___ D
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GWG I think I will stick with us or com
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KevinMarks___ $10 for .UK (and the namespace is pre-squatted by .co.uk
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Loqi [mention] http://gigaom.com/2014/09/03/dont-like-facebook-owning-and-controlling-your-content-use-tools-that-support-the-open-web/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (pingback)
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aaronpk oh dear...
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aaronpk "...including Tantek Celik’s cross-posting tool [http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE]"
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@aaronpk @mathewi Great post! Minor clarification, http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE is the *model* of posting to your site first, and... http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/09/03/2/indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/507219959957565440)
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aaronpk let's see what happens
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Loqi [mention] http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/09/03/2/indieweb linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (webmention)
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kylewm who's a cross-posting tool??
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aaronpk lol
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kylewm (good response, aaronpk)
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aaronpk thanks!
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aaronpk interesting to note that I discovered that article not because of Twitter, but because the gigaom blog sent a pingback to the wiki which showed up in IRC!
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KevinMarks___ Heh, I just read it from twitter and was about to paste in here but loqi beat me to it
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Loqi who, me?
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aaronparecki.com edited /Posts_about_the_IndieWeb (+244) (view diff)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/aaronpk/507219959957565440/507220995724173314 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (webmention)
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@kevinmarks @mathewi @aaronpk does @gigaom use WordPress? We should get you set up with #indieweb tools http://indiewebcamp.com/WordPress (twitter.com/_/status/507222474635743233)
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@kevinmarks »@davewiner: Don’t like Facebook owning and controlling your content? Use tools that support the open Web. http://t.co/LbdGUh7tZK« #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/507222757260546048)
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@kevinmarks @mathewi @aaronpk @gigaom I think @WordPress vip allows you to install plugins so it should be doable #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/507223412276609024)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/aaronpk/507219959957565440/507222474635743233 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/aaronpk/507219959957565440/507223412276609024 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/aaronpk/507219959957565440/507222703611191296 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (webmention)
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KevinMarks___ Anyone here used WordPress vip?
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@gracerodriguez Reading: @mathewi & @davewiner talk about his new Facebook tool & defending open web http://gigaom.com/2014/09/03/dont-like-facebook-owning-and-controlling-your-content-use-tools-that-support-the-open-web/ https://twitter.com/mathewi/status/507219691736399872/photo/1 #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/507226076721184768)
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@JosephRooks I love what's going on with the #indieweb. Props to @davewiner, @benwerd, @kevinmarks and so many more working in it. http://gigaom.com/2014/09/03/dont-like-facebook-owning-and-controlling-your-content-use-tools-that-support-the-open-web/?utm_content=buffer4a530&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer (twitter.com/_/status/507226730327998464)
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aaronpk :)
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@wiobyrne Don’t like Facebook owning/controlling your content? Use tools that support #open #indieweb http://gigaom.com/2014/09/03/dont-like-facebook-owning-and-controlling-your-content-use-tools-that-support-the-open-web/ https://twitter.com/wiobyrne/status/507228389426475009/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/507228389426475009)
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@jkphl Had a great time @reasonsto in #Brighton so far. Looking forward to 1 day off before @dconstruct & @indiewebcamp now. https://twitter.com/jkphl/status/507228960384876544/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/507228960384876544)
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@jgordonshare IndieWeb - Winer again. http://gigaom.com/2014/09/03/dont-like-facebook-owning-and-controlling-your-content-use-tools-that-support-the-open-web/ Thanks DW! I use IFTTT for lesser version of this. (twitter.com/_/status/507230775914545152)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/Raaphorst/507122091486097409/18933610 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/aaronpk/507219959957565440/507229583301959680 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/Raaphorst/507122091486097409/18164197 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (webmention)
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@tor Don't like Facebook owning and controlling your content? Use tools that support the open: Web http://nuzzel.com/sharedstory/09032014/gigaom/dont_like_facebook_owning_and_controlling_your_content_use_tools #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/507233304198656000)
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snarfed looks forward to someone plugging a https://twitter-atom.appspot.com/ or https://facebook-atom.appspot.com/ feed into shrewdness
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Loqi snarfed: aaronpk left you a message 2 hours, 7 minutes ago: oh is that what happened? I didn't see a bridgy notification this time :(
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snarfed aaronpk: hrmph. sorry about that if not. should still be working; i'll investigate
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aaronpk cool
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aaronpk might have just missed it. not sure how long the notifications stick around
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aaronpk i'm not a super huge facebook user, I don't go there all the time and usually have like 10-20 pending notifications that I don't clear
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barnabywalters snarfed: well Shrewdness doesn’t support ATOM [yet] but I’m using twitter-activitiystreams with it :) to
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Loqi barnabywalters: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message 2 hours, 46 minutes ago: likely an issue on my end, but micropub for reply didn't see to work for me. It claimed it posted though.
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Loqi barnabywalters: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message 2 hours, 46 minutes ago: its likely an issue on my end, but micropub for reply didn't see to work for me. It claimed it posted though.
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ben_thatmustbeme IT WAS ON MY END
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ben_thatmustbeme woops
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ben_thatmustbeme i fixed it
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barnabywalters only reason I’m not using facebook is because all posts can be searched by anyone on the shrewdness instance
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KevinMarks_ do you want an atom to h-feed munger?
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snarfed barnabywalters: aha, ok. glad to hear you're using t-a! so shrewdness supports twitter users/lists automatically?
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snarfed cool! btw any activitystreams-unofficial complaints or requests?
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barnabywalters ben_thatmustbeme: good to hear! thanks for testing!
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barnabywalters snarfed: actually, one: I’m not a fan of the way retweets are handled, again due to the searching behaviour
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snarfed GWG: it's not a traditional wiki, and it's not indieweb, and i'm obviously biased :P, but https://quip.com/ is a pretty good alternative for small groups. strong offline and mobile/tablet support too.
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snarfed barnabywalters: hmm, ok, sorry. feel free to elaborate in an issue (or here) if you want
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barnabywalters ideally retweets in feeds should look just like the original, untruncated and with original author details
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barnabywalters snarfed: don’t apologise! it’s an awesome service
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snarfed barnabywalters: ahhh i see what you mean. understood. i can definitely think about that
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barnabywalters snarfed: yeah, it looks a bit weird in search results to have retweets show up rather than the originals (or at least something which looks like the original)
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KevinMarks_ does quip plug into slack?
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snarfed KevinMarks_: not yet but hopefully soon
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snarfed KevinMarks_: also quip's messaging is pretty full featured
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KevinMarks_ I know, but slack does integrate everything else
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KevinMarks_ I think they're complementary
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snarfed KevinMarks_: yeah, understood. we have a big set of similar integrations coming soon, in the next month or so
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KevinMarks_ for the private irc+wiki pattern I was thinking of slack as the IRC (with integrations as loqi) and quip as the wiki
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Loqi dude
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snarfed KevinMarks_: totally! take another look at quip's messaging once we ship integrations, you may not need slack then. but thumbs up either way. ping me with any q's!
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jonnybarnes I still havent really got my head around what the point of wikidata.org is
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snarfed jonnybarnes: from logs: "http://tommorris.org/: if Wikipedia is the encyclopedia anyone can edit, Wikidata is the triplestore/database anyone can edit."
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snarfed ducks all follow-up questions
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kylewm snarfed: in-reply-to "any a-u complaints or requests?" trying to sub to a twitter user on shrewdness is what prompted https://github.com/snarfed/activitystreams-unofficial/issues/18
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snarfed kylewm: oh interesting. thanks for doing that fast!
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barnabywalters kylewm: actually php-mf2-shim should handle that without requiring activitystreams-unofficial, but they changed their markup and I haven’t updated the library yet
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barnabywalters you should subscribe to twitter users as lists though, to prevent excess notifications
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Loqi yea
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barnabywalters excess notifications == I pay julien51 more and/or spend valuable breathing time building my own feed polling plumbing
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kylewm barnabywalters: OK, good to know
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kylewm I subscribed to @aral a couple weeks ago, you can remove that from the search results manually if you'd like!
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barnabywalters kylewm: er, why?
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kylewm barnabywalters: like I subscribed to an individual twitter account, instead of a list. i unsubbed shortly after, but my understanding is that it'll still be part of the search results going forward
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barnabywalters yeah, nothing wrong with some residual posts hanging around
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barnabywalters I want the search functionality to be useful, after all :)
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Loqi gives barnabywalters the search functionality to be useful
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kylewm ok, the posts stay in there, but it won't pick up new ones?
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barnabywalters thanks Loqi
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Loqi you're welcome
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barnabywalters kylewm: it does briefly, but I periodically run a clean-up command which unsubscribes unused subscriptions
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kylewm understands finally
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@Raaphorst ik heb een hoop gemist. deze indieblogger principes bijvoorbeeld op #wired http://www.wired.com/2013/12/indieweb-principles/ niets mis mee! (twitter.com/_/status/507247322494169088)
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KevinMarks_ what happened to twitter offering to translate things?
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aaronpk good question! I was looking for that the other day when amber was giving a talk in costa rica!
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pdurbin I just realized twitter puts the entire tweet in the <title> now. hooray!
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KevinMarks_ didn't they always?
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KevinMarks_ they may still truncate a retweet in the main bit
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KevinMarks_ oh, I was thinking atom feeds, which of course they abandonded
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tantek looking forward to seeing so many of you in Brighton!
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@benwerd UK friends who care about the web: I highly recommend #IndieWebCamp UK, Sep 6-7 in Brighton. http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/UK (twitter.com/_/status/507256881035755520)
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Loqi [mention] http://werd.io/2014/uk-friends-who-care-about-the-web-i-highly-recommend linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/UK (webmention)
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@ShaneHudson RT @benwerd: UK friends who care about the web: I highly recommend #IndieWebCamp UK, Sep 6-7 in Brighton. http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/UK (twitter.com/_/status/507257578674724866)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/benwerd/507256881035755520/1556094044 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/UK (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/benwerd/507256881035755520/507257578674724866 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/UK (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/benwerd/507256881035755520/11628 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/UK (webmention)
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tantek lololol on "cross-posting tool" oh dear
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tantek wow busy morning!
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KevinMarks_ he did fix it
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@fdevillamil RT @benwerd: UK friends who care about the web: I highly recommend #IndieWebCamp UK, Sep 6-7 in Brighton. http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/UK (twitter.com/_/status/507260726743154689)
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@NZN 1+1=3 for Happy Networks http://www.moxytongue.com/2014/06/generative-networks.html Own Your Own Data Mod: http://www.exceptionalplay.com/products/kidoyo-book (copy @ end) #MakerEd #vrm #indieweb @kid_OYO (twitter.com/_/status/507262898134327296)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/benwerd/507256881035755520/507260726743154689 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/UK (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/aaronpk/507219959957565440/11628 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (webmention)
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@IndieWebCampUK RT @benwerd: UK friends who care about the web: I highly recommend #IndieWebCamp UK, Sep 6-7 in Brighton. http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/UK (twitter.com/_/status/507265287763144705)
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@kevinmarks @polotek there are some indieweb implementations that do this: http://indiewebcamp.com/storage#Markdown_plus_extensions (twitter.com/_/status/507265495762878464)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/benwerd/507256881035755520/507265287763144705 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/UK (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/benwerd/507256881035755520/785475632 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/UK (webmention)
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tantek KevinMarks, good that he fixed it, too bad he omitted that we've been doing POSSE since 2010 - to various different silos, far before Winer thought it was a good idea.
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aaronpk in that thread... https://twitter.com/TechWraith/status/507265301411426305
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@TechWraith @JeffreyKaine @polotek I actually regret the move from simple markdown files to a DB backed solution though. (twitter.com/_/status/507265301411426305)
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tantek heh
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tantek also what was Larry Halff's cross-posting tool?
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tantek he's been doing for over *a year* what Winer has acting like he invented this year
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tantek Larry Halff demo'd his tool at FSW2012 I think - 2 years ago!
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tantek liftoff
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aaronpk oh is winer saying pitching this as a new idea?
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/kevinmarks/507265495762878464/11628 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/storage#Markdown_plus_extensions (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/kevinmarks/507222474635743233/11628 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/WordPress (webmention)
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snarfed [indiechat bait] this is my favorite new github feature since…maybe ever. https://github.com/blog/1884-introducing-split-diffs
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kylewm wee catchiing up to BeyondCompare
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@polotek RT @kevinmarks: @polotek there are some indieweb implementations that do this: http://indiewebcamp.com/storage#Markdown_plus_extensions (twitter.com/_/status/507267909450608640)
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@calum_ryan Good precursor to #IndieWebCamp on BBC 2 tonight: Inside the Dark Web http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04grp09 (twitter.com/_/status/507268865441935360)
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@aredridelreads ✌ @Reading "IndieWebCamp" http://www.reading.am/p/3fZk/http://indiewebcamp.com/databases-antipattern (twitter.com/_/status/507268888665784321)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/kevinmarks/507265495762878464/507267909450608640 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/storage#Markdown_plus_extensions (webmention)
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KevinMarks Does loqi monitor fb for links too?
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KevinMarks https://www.facebook.com/dmp/posts/10152762655552160
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@dumeny What the F*%#K is a Webmention ?: send_webmention(http://t.co/xBDxLQB0hT, http://christoph... http://dmy.me/?p=4236 (twitter.com/_/status/507271025290002432)
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@voxpelli @ThatEmil Nice! I'm heading there Friday morning, but only for IndieWebCamp (twitter.com/_/status/507272700864528385)
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snarfed that gigaom article is definitely driving bridgy signups. 12 already today, compared to avg just 2-4 total per day. also, traffic: https://snarfed.org/gigaom.png
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aaronpk nice!
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@kevinmarks @polotek come chat in http://indiewebcamp.com/irc about what you want to use/build (twitter.com/_/status/507282980813824001)
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kylewm to be fair, "a blogging system based on simple markdown files" might be the programming territory *most* explored by hobbyists
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snarfed tangent: why people like write blog posts as tweetstorms, i'll never understand
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snarfed i guess people just really really love twitter, and when they have a hammer, …
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KartikPrabhu because twitter is the best
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rascul i don't love twitter
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snarfed "not all rasculs"
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@pverdon Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere: http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/507286366364123137)
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KevinMarks http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=3470#comic
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KevinMarks I'm guilty of that, I even built a tool to do it
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@johnchavens RT @PersonaInc: It's Your Data — But Others Are Making Billions Off It http://mashable.com/2013/10/24/personal-data-monetization/#:eyJzIjoidCIsImkiOiJfc3d5czg0OWc5ZDR2YzJiZiJ9 #PERSONInc #OwnYourData (twitter.com/_/status/507287130759245825)
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snarfed KevinMarks: heh. live-tweeting real life events is a bit different though. more reasonable
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KevinMarks_ I think it's partly a way to enable per-line comments
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KevinMarks_ certainly for pmarca
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snarfed KevinMarks_: hmm…you may be giving them too much credit. i doubt they explicitly thought about that req't and then deliberately chose a tool for it. i'm guessing they just have a hammer they like. :P
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snarfed who knows though
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KevinMarks_ pmarca used to blog, then he stopped
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@kevinmarks Always nice to see #indieweb ideas getting serious coverage (twitter.com/_/status/507288392434843648)
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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KevinMarks_ hm, where in http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE_to_Facebook should I add Known's built-in FB POSSE support? article structure is a bit weird
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@LifeHealthDiary RT @PersonaInc: It's Your Data — But Others Are Making Billions Off It http://mashable.com/2013/10/24/personal-data-monetization/#:eyJzIjoidCIsImkiOiJfc3d5czg0OWc5ZDR2YzJiZiJ9 #PERSONInc #OwnYourData ^jg Amen! (twitter.com/_/status/507294807509958656)
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kylewm.com edited /POSSE_to_Facebook (+12) "/* Kyle Mahan */ make pictures of my cat smaller" (view diff)
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npdoty I love how it's being treated as a news item that people are blogging again, like the discovery of a new technology
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Loqi npdoty: kylewm left you a message on 8/29 at 7:16pm: Publish to Tumblr is a great idea, might as well add backfeed at the same time too right? :P
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npdoty Loqi, why are you waiting until just now to tell me that?
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snarfed npdoty: loqi now only delivers msgs when you send one yourself. joining isn't enough
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Loqi is done
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npdoty hmm... tricky for those of us who like to listen
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snarfed npdoty++ agreed
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Loqi npdoty has 5 karma
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npdoty "I do think that as waves of smart people hit the limits of their frustration with Twitter and Facebook, many will look around and realize, hey, this blogging thing still makes a great deal of sense." http://www.wordyard.com/2014/09/03/the-hive-mind-migrates/
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snarfed kylewm: very minor new feature, https://www.brid.gy/facebook/kyle.mahan now works. (i'd been seeing a steady trickle of 404s from users trying that :P)
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kylewm snarfed++ yay, I am certainly among those 404s
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Loqi snarfed has 43 karma
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kylewm actually glad I'm not the only one
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aaronpk npdoty: snarfed: Loqi used to deliver messages after you joined, but that proved unreliable for people who pop in and out often like auto-joining clients on laptops that go to sleep a lot
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