#indiewebcamp 2014-10-07

2014-10-07 UTC
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bret
why do all ietf standards look this way? http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wilde-accept-post-02
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pdurbin
what way?
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bret
plain text wrapped at 80 chars and paginated
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bret
seems very papery for something on the internet
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thierry.marianne.io profile thierrymarianne
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kylewm
follow up from @inessential http://inessential.com/2014/10/04/blog_engine_choice ... he decided to keep working on his homegrown static generator and write an iOS app for mobile posting
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kylewm
maybe quill + micropub would be a friendlier suggestion than all the people who ignored his requirements
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kylewm
and oh man, this response should go in the /selfdogfood hall of fame https://blog.svpino.com/2014/10/03/do-you-need-a-new-blog-engine
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KartikPrabhu
kylewm: yeah Blogger pretty much sucks now, which is what originally motivated me to get my own site too per https://kartikprabhu.com/article/redux
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bret
pdurbin: yeah that makes it way more usable
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bret
tumblr is insane
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bret
i shouldplay around with it more
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Loqi
fo sho
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xxcoeurxx
bret: how so?
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bret
xxcoeurxx: it has a nice flow, and its probably one of the most accessible sites that still allows a lot of overall creativity, plus lots of interesting users
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KevinMarks__
so what @inessential needs is a Metaweblog API to micropub bridge...
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kylewm
kevinmarks__: exactly!
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KevinMarks__
hm, or he could patch MarsEdit to send micropub, which is probably easier
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shaners
KevinMarks__ He does not own MarsEdit anymore.
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shaners
He sold it to @danielpunkass some years ago.
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shaners
Though, Daniel Jalkut seemed open to MarsEdit + Micropub support.
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@danielpunkass
@veganstraightedge Thanks for letting me know. Do nudge me again when it’s more mature!
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bret
micropub needs some maturation.... wish i had more time to put in
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Loqi
Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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tantek
welcome csarven!
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KartikPrabhu
hi csarven
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csarven
Greetings and salutations.
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tantek
csarven - what's your personal site these days?
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csarven
http://csarven.ca/ as always :)
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csarven
Though, I'm stuck on microformats "1".
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tantek
csarven - it's ok - the classic microformats that have widespread adoption have been grandfathered through backward compatibility parsing rules
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tantek
try out your website on indiewebify.me!
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csarven
Is it to silly to bring up how awesome/leading? the mf support was on http://identi.ca/ ? :)
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KartikPrabhu
csarven: tbh there have been a lot sillier things brought up here :P
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@Freerange_Inc
Is there an #indieweb alternative to google docs?
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tantek
csarven++
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Loqi
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@csarven
@maurodragoni I'm sorry, are you trying to pick a fight on the Web? You don't even have a personal Website. Get off my lawn.
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csarven
Can IRC karmas be exchanged with "real life" Bitcoins?
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KartikPrabhu
csarven++ oh snap!
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Loqi
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csarven
Ehhhhxellent
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@Freerange_Inc
@LyallTimmons cos'I think when working on a research project for the #indieweb & its kin, it'd be rude to include workflows using spyware ;)
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jonnybarnes
greetings everyone (UGT)
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ben_thatmustbeme
hey jonnybarnes
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jonnybarnes
what should a findAuthour() method do if it fails? return false or throw an exception
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Mark87
is there a particular context we're talking about?
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Loqi
Mark87: tantek left you a message on 9/29 at 10:29am: do you have a name for your Editor & Viewer software?
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Mark87
jonnybarnes you may be asking about something specific, but in general, if my parser can't find author info for a particular feed, it returns an empty string. Further up the chain if I see an empty string I present the option to the user to specify an author that will be used for all articles from that particular feed in the future.
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barnabywalters
jonnybarnes: the choice between returning false/null and throwing an exception is a stylistic one. If the tools you use have a convention of prefering/expecting one or the other, use it
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barnabywalters
personally I prefer returning false to throwing an exception
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barnabywalters
another approach (appropriated from go) is to return multiple values, e.g. https://github.com/indieweb/rel-me
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jonnybarnes
that would make sense if it found several possible authors
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barnabywalters
jonnybarnes: noe
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barnabywalters
s/noe/no, the typical usage is list($result, $error) = functioncall()
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Loqi
barnabywalters meant to say: jonnybarnes: no, the typical usage is list($result, $error) = functioncall()
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barnabywalters
but it’s not exactly a PHP convention, just a weird personal preference stolen from go, so take it with a pinch of salt :)
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jonnybarnes
ok, so my auth algo kind of works on one of tantek's notes
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jonnybarnes
but it produces this h-card array: http://hastebin.com/qufinuwiye.coffee
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jonnybarnes
maybe i shouldn't include the 'children' entry
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jonnybarnes
that response seems unnecisarily long
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reedstrm
morning all
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jonnybarnes
morngin reedstrm
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jonnybarnes
s/morngin/morning
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Loqi
jonnybarnes meant to say: morning reedstrm
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jonnybarnes
will Loqi do with s/search/replace/g as I expect?
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reedstrm
thinks hmmm, morn gin ... is that a sad drink, or a contraction for the breakfast of champion alcoholics?
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sixtwothree.org
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sixtwothree.org
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jonnybarnes
!tell aaronpk that issue you told me about on sha{13}.com is now fixed ;)
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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gRegor`
Morning, #indiewebcamp
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reedstrm
Any opinions here about OpenGraph Protocol? Is this FaceBook trying to invade all the things? Is it possible to POSSE to FB and Twitter w/o OGP and get posts that don't look like ... a dogs breakfast?
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barnabywalters
what is opengraph protocol?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "opengraph protocol" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=opengraph+protocol
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barnabywalters
is that similar to the opengraph API?
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reedstrm
not sure - they call it a protocol, but it looks like an api to me: http://ogp.me/
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kylewm
reedstrm: I have the sinking suspicion that Actions/Objects are going to be deprioritized more and more in the future
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gRegor`
what is opengraph protocol?
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Loqi
The Open Graph protocol (OGP) is an open* standard developed by Facebook for annotating the primary subject of an HTML page via a set of custom <meta> tags in the document head http://indiewebcamp.com/opengraph_protocol
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ben_thatmustbeme
barnabywalters++ for tanteking gRegor`
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Loqi
barnabywalters has 73 karma
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ben_thatmustbeme
gRegornobacktic++ for getting tanteked
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Loqi
gRegornobacktic has 1 karma
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gRegor`
Heh. Just a redirect. I knew we had an OGP page somewhere
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ben_thatmustbeme
oh wait, since the last update to loqi... lets see
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Loqi
yeah!
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barnabywalters
gRegor`++ for editing the wiki instead of just tanteking people :)
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barnabywalters
gregornobacktick++
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Loqi
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reedstrm
kylewm: what are actions/objects?
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kylewm
reedstrm: like "Karen listened to Moody Blues on Spotify"
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reedstrm
gRegor`: yrah, otherwise that was some impressive fast C&P/typing!
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reedstrm
Ah that annoying stuff :-)
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gregorlove.com
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kylewm
you can also use the Action/Objects API with ogp: markup on your site to post things like "Kyle posted an Article on kylewm.com"
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kylewm
but I was afeard that that article meant that sort of POSSE would be interpreted as spammy
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reedstrm
Yeah, I suppose it's good to send semantics
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kylewm
so instead I use the plain Graph API
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kylewm
reedstrm: here's what it looked like when I tried http://indiewebcamp.com/File:fb-post-news-publishes.png
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reedstrm
that's not bad!
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gregorlove.com
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reedstrm
kylewm: to clarify that screenshot was w/ Graph API?
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tantek.com
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reedstrm
Yeah that's that I thought at first. Thanks. Hmm, I'm going to have to think about how OpenStax CNX and indieweb can go together ...
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tantek
greetings everyone - if anyone would like to help out at IndieWebCamp Cambridge by sponsoring a meal or coffee - please sign-up! http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Cambridge#Sponsor
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bret
csarven: Loqi karma points are just karma points, but there are other freenode channels that hand out Dogecoin in addition to loqi carma
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Loqi
yeah!
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bret
karma*
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ben_thatmustbeme
would be an interesting way to incentivize everyone to have a doge/bitcoin address on their site
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csarven
Actually, there is #webcredits
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tommorris
if you want to send me all your prime number money for being awesome, I'm okay with that.
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barnabywalters`
tommorris: “but first download the entire prime number money history”
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barnabywalters`
the addresses can be linked to and discovered using http://relpayment.com/
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barnabywalters`
I do that on waterpigs.co.uk
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barnabywalters`
csarven: it looks like webcredits.org is down — is that the site you’re talking about?
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aaronpk_
There's a bot in #pdxtech that gives people Dogecoin when they get karma'd
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Loqi
aaronpk_: jonnybarnes left you a message 58 minutes ago: that issue you told me about on sha{13}.com is now fixed ;)
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aaronpk_
Yay cool
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ben_thatmustbeme
hmm, maybe i'll do that, offer a small amount to the first N people to set up bitcoin links on their site
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csarven
I'm currently using S5+some custom stuff. I wanted to move into something else that creates nice URLs (with fragment identifiers). What are my options? Slidy2 and Shower looks alright.
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csarven
barnabywalters` Part of it yes. melvster is behind it.. usually frequents in #swig . I was referring more to an IRC bot handling coin stuff
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@nobantu
4 Days to LateRegistration for #IIW XIX http://www.internetidentityworkshop.com/ Join us 4 #VRM #UMA #indieweb #identity #IoT & Other great conversations!
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GWG
Cambridge approaches
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jonnybarnes
any PGP users here?
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jonnybarnes
so my old key expired and I'm trying to set up a new one with subkeys
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jonnybarnes
I think I've done it right gpg --edit-key > addkey
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jonnybarnes
then select the signing key option
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jonnybarnes
do I just use that as normal now?
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jonnybarnes
like if I gpg --list-keys its listed as a sub key
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jonnybarnes
with its own id
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jonnybarnes
so I can just specify that id when I want to sign something
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jonnybarnes
like a git tag
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anomalily.net
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@DorienPaul
Interested in a free 1/2 hour consultation on building community online with limited resources? #OwnYourData #DigitalOrganizing
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KevinMarks_
Open Graph Protocol: not open, not a graph, not a protocol
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KevinMarks_
I'm reading scrollback
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KevinMarks_
There is Indiecreddit.com if anyone wants to revive that
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jonnybarnes
anth.ro URLs as a search interface is pretty cool (aaronpk_)
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aaronpk_
oh yeah! forgot about that
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anomalily
Okay, so I have started an A/B test on if POSSEing to facebook is causing FB to hide my posts: http://anomalily.net/like-this-post-for-science/
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gregorlove.com
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ben_thatmustbeme
kevinmarks_ i never got it to compile when I had tried
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ben_thatmustbeme
so its more like !open!graph !protocol
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gregorlove.com
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@harrym
Am in a room full of luminaries! Looking forward to a discussion about the role of one's own website... #indieweb
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bret
https://education.github.com/ free stuff that normally costs money!
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reedstrm
KevinMarks_: agreed, it's a mess (OGP that is) We've got a requirement to put social buttons on OpenStax, so just trying to give FB as little as possible to get a decent looking post
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gRegor`
!tell KartikPrabhu On for HWC 10/8?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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ihatemornings.com
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@TheMediaLists
Сторонники движения IndieWeb запустили блог-платформу для противостояния Facebook http://themedia.center/2014/10/07/no-proprietary-platforms/
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ben_thatmustbeme
alright ihatemornings
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ben_thatmustbeme
hi there ihatemornings
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ben_thatmustbeme
yay, another ben
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Loqi
giggles
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ihatemornings
just dropping in to see how this all works. will come back for more chat some time soon. lots of interesting stuff to think about...
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ben_thatmustbeme
indeed, the wiki has a lot to offer reading wise
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@RealDarrenCohen
@FeistyDrea hashtag that #indieweb own it.....everyone should have own domain personal and business.... @Mike_Stelzner
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ben.thatmustbe.me
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@williamheath
Fab #indieweb dinner with @benwerd and dear friends. Photo to follow when I work out how to post images
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shaners
Alright. I'm adding /YYYY/MM/DD archives to my site today. Anyone wanna joy me and add it your site too? Make it an archives kinda day?
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ben_thatmustbeme
hmm, that should be no problem for me... let me test that
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neuro`
I already have it, it's just broken because of a stupid rewrite rule I have, and totally useless.
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neuro`
I don't blog enough to make it useful
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ben_thatmustbeme
i need to fix up my routing anyway, if i don't have a slug it breaks (thus why many of my urls end in /_)
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tantek
shaners, I tend to prefer /YYYY/DDD archives (as NASA/JPL does with their data :D ) but then to each their own ;)
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shaners
yeah yeah :P
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tantek
what are archives?
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Loqi
archive refers to date-grouped sets of indieweb site posts (a common form of navigation among posts), or a copy of a web page made at a particular point in time http://indiewebcamp.com/archives
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aaronpk_
as much as I like YYYY-DDD I still find it easier to read/understand YYYY-MM-DD
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tantek
aaronpk, I'm preparing for SPACE :)
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shaners
and just like that, @tantek disappeared, never to be heard from again.
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shaners
our only clue of his whereabouts is that his final message was "I'm preparing for SPACE :)"
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carmen
Moffet Field
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ben_thatmustbeme
thats actually quite a good line to vanish forever on
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ben_thatmustbeme
i hope he does return though
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carmen
crazy slavs
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carmen
what's M2M
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aaronpk_
machine-to-machine
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carmen
anonymous gay hookups do seem to be ableeding-edge messaging-technology, if early 90s SF BBSes and phone-systems were an indicator
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carmen
ie that location-specific wifi mesh broadcast stuff
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ben_thatmustbeme
shanners, done. just need to fix up the template for those pages since I reused my archives/ link
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shaners
ben_thatmustbeme: I think I'm done too. Just double checking things.
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@nicjoy
Learning about #IndieWeb movement - interesting things taking place surrounding decentralization of web content. #posse #IntranetForum
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shaners
And of course, I've got timezone issues, but I'm punting on that for now.
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aaronpk_
of course
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ben_thatmustbeme
shaners, I set everything to EST, because i don't really care.
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shaners
i mean, i have some a few 2013-01-01 showing up in the 2012-12 archive, etc
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shaners
fucking timezones
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@t
Spinning up the turbines with @adactio, excited for #BrooklynBeta, #CyborgCamp, and #indiewebcamp Cambridge this week! (ttk.me t4YW1)
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aaronpk_
huh how am I handling that
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aaronpk_
oh right. I store the timestamp in UTC and also store the timezone offset in seconds
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aaronpk_
then when I query for posts, I actually query the timestamp+offset
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shaners
aaronpk_ I'll have to do something like that sometime (soon maybe?)
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shaners
what is archive?
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Loqi
archive refers to date-grouped sets of indieweb site posts (a common form of navigation among posts), or a copy of a web page made at a particular point in time http://indiewebcamp.com/archive
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shaners
iamshane.com archives are working (with timezone offset bugs) http://iamshane.com/notes/2014/10
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shaners
post type URLs only right now
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ben_thatmustbeme
its not pretty, but archives work now for me too
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ben_thatmustbeme
my archives had been just per month
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ben_thatmustbeme
and i can officially drop the spare _ on my links that don't need it
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gRegor`
For notes, I store the times in UTC, but for permalinks (and eventually archives), I convert from Central time to UTC to run the query properly.
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ben_thatmustbeme
i take it back, i also have a problem with timestamps :P
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ben_thatmustbeme
but also changed my other archives format to match /YYYY/MM now works for full months
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iamshane.com
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gRegor`
PHP's DateTime() handles the DST offsets that way, too, which is nice.
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iamshane.com
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shaners
who is ben_thatmustbeme?
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Loqi
Ben Roberts Is a sysadmin and developer at a small company in Boston, MA who dreams of world domination https://indiewebcamp.com/User:Ben.thatmustbe.me
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ben_thatmustbeme
dream big :P
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shaners
ben_thatmustbeme add yourself to /archive#IndieWeb_Examples
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shaners
i dream of a world free of domination ;)
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ben.thatmustbe.me
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ben_thatmustbeme
we just working on that
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ben_thatmustbeme
i just want world domination for one minute... then i'll give it all back
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shaners
sure you will, ben_thatmustbeme
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ben_thatmustbeme
what if i promise?
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ben_thatmustbeme
that tweet is already deleted
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kylewm
it was about Bytemark hosting
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ben_thatmustbeme
which is listed there
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Loqi
Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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ben.thatmustbe.me
edited /User:Ben.thatmustbe.me (+114) "/* OpenBlog */"
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reedstrm
what is bytemark
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "bytemark" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=bytemark
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reedstrm
what is bytemark hosting
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "bytemark hosting" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=bytemark+hosting
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jdp23
kylewm thanks for setting up the Facebook event
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jdp23
for the hwc tomorrow
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Loqi
jdp23: kylewm left you a message on 10/6 at 4:17pm: La Boulange works, let's go forward with that
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jdp23
!tell kylewm thanks for setting up the Facebook event for the hwc tomorrow ... see you there!
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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kylewm
sure! looking forward to it :)
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Loqi
kylewm: jdp23 left you a message 26 seconds ago: thanks for setting up the Facebook event for the hwc tomorrow ... see you there!
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@williamheath
Great to hear how indieweb pivoted from org-centric getting data from soc-net sites to individual-centric posting @benwerd @erinjo
(twitter.com/_/status/519609540514312192)
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gRegor`
Hah. Pivot.
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@CaptainKurtis
@coreyjsax Using #indieweb solutions like @withknown instead of Facebook is a good start. Facebook is destroying humanity and intimacy.
(twitter.com/_/status/519619192530554880)
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GWG
pdurbin: Whoa?
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GWG
pdurbin: Didn't realize?
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pdurbin
sneaking up on me
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GWG
pdurbin: You going?
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pdurbin
was planning on it. but I was just away for over a week for a conference in SF. tough on the family
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GWG
It's just a bad week. I'll be there for a bit remotely.
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xxcoeurx1
so headsup, i'll be in cisco around the 9th of january.
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