#indiewebcamp

2014-10-11

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@kevinmarks
“all of your assumptions that aren’t written down are barriers.” https://medium.com/node-js-javascript/building-a-better-node-community-3f8f45b45cb5 #indieweb (twtr.io/rfzKj0hG6Q)
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@raffale
RT @kevinmarks: “all of your assumptions that aren’t written down are barriers.” https://medium.com/node-js-javascript/building-a-better-node-community-3f8f45b45cb5 #indieweb (twtr.io/rfzfmwrM68)
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ben_thatmust_
The problem with going to bed at 9 PM because I was tired is that I wake up at 4 AM because i'm not
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kevinmarks.com
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kevinmarks.com
created /noterlive (+168) "Created page with "<dfn>NoterLive</dfn> is a live-noting tool that post to twiter and compiles the notes for posting as a full post. [http://noterlive.com noterlive.com] by {{kevinmarks}}"" (view diff)
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@javascriptd
RT @kevinmarks: “all of your assumptions that aren’t written down are barriers.” https://medium.com/node-js-javascript/building-a-better-node-community-3f8f45b45cb5 #indieweb (twtr.io/rg1XkEtrhw)
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@Fodoj
database-antipattern http://indiewebcamp.com/database-antipattern?utm_content=buffer63f74&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer (twtr.io/rg798oioG0)
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@ayirpelle
RT @kevinmarks: “all of your assumptions that aren’t written down are barriers.” https://medium.com/node-js-javascript/building-a-better-node-community-3f8f45b45cb5 #indieweb (twtr.io/rg85m0Yq3m)
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@dissolve333
@mlncn Nice to see I'm having a positive influence out there. Welcome to the #IndieWeb(btmb.me s/2f) (twtr.io/rgAu19Aku8)
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ben_thatmust
based on the train schedule, i'll be there like an hour early today. if you guys need any help setting up
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tantek
good morning #Indiewebcamp!
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joskar
Good morning tantek!
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rascul
currently 48F in Cambridge, projected high of 54F and 70% chance of rain http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=cambridge%2C+ma
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rascul
tomorrow should be a little nicer though :)
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ben_thatmust_
just got in to south station. don't know what I'm doing for the next hour
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rascul
i'll be in cambridge in an hour or so
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rascul
+ a few maybe
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rascul
about an hour drive from shrewsbury and we're leaving here shortly
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ben_thatmust_
I do the commuter rail but the schedule on weekends is 1 train every 2 hours or so
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rascul
i rode that from boston to grafton, the ride kinda sucked, amtrak is much nicer heh
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ben_thatmust_
I take it daily it's fine for me. I can read and do work. I can't do that in a car
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rascul
i had also been on the train all day by that point, it's possible i was getting a little train sick
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ben_thatmust_
red line between park st and kendel is closed, shuttle buses are running
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pdurbin
ben_thatmust_: thanks for the heads up. I'll probably bike over (from Brookline).
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ben_thatmust_
in the rain?
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pdurbin
I bike to work every day. Rain, snow. Rain pants ftw! :)
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pdurbin
some crazy sad stuff happening in the Boston area last night: Brianna Wu on Twitter: "The police just came by. Husband and I are going somewhere safe. Remember, #gamergate isn't about attacking women. http://t.co/ZU6oEVxMGL" - https://twitter.com/Spacekatgal/status/520739878993420290
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@Spacekatgal
The police just came by. Husband and I are going somewhere safe. Remember, #gamergate isn't about attacking women. https://twitter.com/Spacekatgal/status/520739878993420290/photo/1 (twtr.io/rfM2qJcgBW)
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ben_thatmust__
in case anyone else had a really old entry for the location today, its in the stata building, 32 vasser st
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ben_thatmust__
i was lied to!!
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ben_thatmust__
:D
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hawke.org sandro
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ben_thatmust__
4th floor
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mattl
ugh. Mornings.
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ben_thatmust_1
thats nuts
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ben_thatmust_1
/nick ben_thatmust___
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mattl
Is there coffee, ben_thatmust_2?
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ben_thatmust__
mattl, not yet but i think sandro and tim are taking care of that now
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mattl
Oh cool. Be there shortly. Just about to cross the river.
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tantek.com
edited /2014/Cambridge/Guest_List (+0) "update counts" (view diff)
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IWC_Cambridge
Good morning from MIT!
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@endi
any documentation on updating a personal Known implementation? cautious about overwriting configs @benwerd #indieweb (twtr.io/rgWEWCAtwG)
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petermolnar
had anyone ever succeeded using WordPress with sqlite?
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petermolnar
I've tried numerous times and failed miserably
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GWG
petermolnar: Someone really should build that database abstraction layer
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petermolnar
there is one in theory
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petermolnar
https://wordpress.org/plugins/sqlite-integration/
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aaronparecki.com
created /2014/Cambridge/Live (+43) "Created page with "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioyudny4mp8"" (view diff)
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petermolnar
but the whole thing falls apart, becomes sluggy and slow, and i always fail with importing the data
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petermolnar
s/sluggy/sluggish
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Loqi
petermolnar meant to say: but the whole thing falls apart, becomes sluggish and slow, and i always fail with importing the data
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@benwerd
Here on this rainy day for #indiewebcamp at MIT's iconic Stata Center. Not 100% watertight, I'm told. (twtr.io/rgX693mAZc)
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Loqi
Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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@mattl
@benwerd http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_and_Maria_Stata_Center#Lawsuit #indiewebcamp (twtr.io/rgXBRs9681)
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@erinjo
Hanging out in the Strata Building at MIT today for IndieWeb Camp. Interior wayfinding seems to be an issue here. (twtr.io/rgXCHe0tFn)
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chrisdancy
Need a diet coke
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mattl
try the ground floor.
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chrisdancy
@mattl vending?
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benwerd
On IRC thanks to timmmmyboy's sleuthing
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benwerd
MIT blocks it campus-wide!
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mattl
chrisdancy: oh. i can show you. let's go. i need one too.
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Loqi
benwerd: acegiak left you a message 3 days, 1 hour ago: in your checkins your e-conent contains a script that includes a reference to a varable called L on the first line. that var isnt set in the e-content as far as i can tell so by browser javascript crashes when displaying those notes?
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Loqi
benwerd: KevinMarks_ left you a message on 10/8 at 11:03am: are you doing a hwc in Boston tonight?
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mattl
benwerd: get a real client ;)
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Loqi
benwerd: KevinMarks_ left you a message on 10/8 at 11:03am: are you doing a hwc in Boston tonight?
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chrisdancy
@mattl grab me
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mattl
let's go.
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tantek.com
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www.tombruning.com
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tantek.com
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@dissolve333
Settling in at #indiewebcamp Cambridge. Finally! Been waiting like 8 months for this.(btmb.me s/2h) (twtr.io/rgYKNKv7sY)
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benwerd
Tantek starting up with opening welcomes
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benwerd
"Welcomes" is a word
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@timmmmyboy
I can't think of a more appropriate venue for #indiewebcamp than here at the Stata Center at MIT on the same floor as W3C office. (twtr.io/rgYYgUfUaC)
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benwerd
Tantek demoing the realtime channel. Nobody swear
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timmmmyboy
What's the URL for livestream?
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KevinMarks
morning all
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ben_thatmust__
morning
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pdurbin
basic principles: 1. scratch your own itch, 2. self-dogfooding
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ben_thatmust__
aaronpk has the url for the stream, when he sits back down we'll get that to you timmmmyboy
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willowbl00
second room is 449
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timmmmyboy
@ben_thatmust__ Cool, just wanted to send out to followers.
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aaronpk_
http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Cambridge/Live
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aaronpk_
currently on youtube here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioyudny4mp8
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timmmmyboy
@aaronpk_ Thanks!
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IWC_Cambridge1
caseorganic now up at the podium demoing
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@timmmmyboy
Join us remotely for #indiewebcamp Cambridge by following along at https://www.youtube.com/ live and in IRC. (twtr.io/rgZMWV2_Nw)
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@caseorganic
Hello to everyone at #indiewebcamp this morning at MIT! (http://caseorganic.com/notes/2014/10/11/2/indiewebcamp) (twtr.io/rgZWN83A0Y)
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@dissolve333
Ben Roberts October 11, 2014 10:22 AM Shortlink Yay pesos #indieweb IndieWeb (https://ben.thatmustbe.me/photo/2014/10/11/5) https://twitter.com/dissolve333/status/520943176450723840/photo/1 (twtr.io/rgZfCWpdqf)
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tantek
caseorganic demonstrated photo posting via Instagram, Ownyourgram, PESOS to her own site.
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aaronparecki.com
edited /2014/Cambridge (+95) "add volunteers and livestream link" (view diff)
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tantek
… then posted a note on her site, POSSE to Twitter
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tantek.com
edited /2014/Cambridge/Schedule (+16) "update room headings" (view diff)
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@TapestryMaker
watching @caseorganic at Indiewebcamp cambridge! (twtr.io/rgZhH9gvGG)
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tantek
caseorganic then showed how the copy showed up at Twitter, and then how an @-reply from aaronpk showed up on her site at the permalink of her note
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tantek
up now
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tantek
benwerd
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tantek
demoing Known
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tantek
Audio playing
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tantek
posting a status update
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tantek
choice of network to send it to
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tantek
sending it to only LinkedIn
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tantek
unchecked Twitter, FB
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@aaronpk
We're starting #indiewebcamp Cambridge this morning with demos! Follow along with the livestream: http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Cambridge/Live (twtr.io/rgZqjcZhbp)
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tantek
showing recent content he's posted
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Loqi
[mention] http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/10/11/2/indiewebcamp linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Cambridge/Live (webmention)
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tantek
comments, notes, etc.
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tantek
also a photo posted via Ownyourgram
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caseorganic
HELLO
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aaronpk_
yay irc!
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Loqi
yay!
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cuibonobo
oh hai
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tantek
benwerd was addicted to Twitter, Facebook, Instagram
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caseorganic
Whew - MIT blocks IRC? How curious.
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tantek
and he wanted to not be
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tantek
caseorganic: use SSID: StataCenter
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caseorganic
benwerd wanted to make his own site that was just as easy to use as Twitter, Facebook and Instagram.
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caseorganic
tantek: I did. :)
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tantek
benwerd has not posted to those networks first since last June
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@timmmmyboy
OwnYourGram: Take your Instagram photos and automatically push them back to your site https://ownyourgram.com/ #indiewebcamp (twtr.io/rgZz6L8GML)
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tantek
now working on Following
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tantek
and reader
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tantek
functionality built into Known
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tantek
and hopes to get that working this weekend
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caseorganic
benwerd++ for demoing http://withknown.com at #indiewebcamp MIT
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Loqi
benwerd has 40 karma
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tantek
launched Known with erinjo recently
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tantek
now up to 3500 sites using it
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ben_thatmust__
wow, thats a pretty impressive number in such a short time
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jdp23
there's about a minute lag on the youtube. so i'm getting the update here first :)
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caseorganic
jdp23: yeah, the lag is fun with IRC. :)
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obra
gr. known's site-custom styles are overrideable by the theme style
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tantek
now up: aaronpk
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tantek
demoing URL that he bookmarked
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tantek
he got bookmarks working on his own site
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obra
also, yay, known site-custom styles are awesome
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Loqi
:D
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@mlncn
Heading to IndieWebCamp in Cambridge - https://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Cambridge/Guest_List - a bit late, and trying to pingback to say i'm coming (twtr.io/rg_GLZ98LG)
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Loqi
[mention] http://mlncn.withknown.com/2014/heading-to-indiewebcamp-in-cambridge---2014cambridgeguest_list---a-bit linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Cambridge/Guest_List (webmention)
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jdp23
@caseorganic if i had been a little quicker on the typing, i could have gotten the reply to your site before you even mentioned it on the video. ooooh time travel!!!!
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Loqi
[mention] http://aaronparecki.com/bookmarks/2014/10/11/1/indiewebcamp linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Cambridge (webmention)
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tantek
aaronpk showing Quill launched via a bookmarklet
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benwerd
obra: that might be a CSS ordering issue. Happy to take a look
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www.tombruning.com
created /User:Tombruning.com (+114) "Created page with "Working on a personal site, trying to incorporate as much of indieweb as I can. Going slowly, but making headway."" (view diff)
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tantek
… to post a bookmark
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obra
benwerd: sure. happy to show you whenevre
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tantek
with highlighted text that shows up as an excerpt
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obra
after demos
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tantek
you can use Quill on your own site
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tantek
Quill.p3k.io
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tantek
when you sign-in
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tantek
aaronpk pretends to be werd.io
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tantek
to show IndieAuth / micropub flow
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caseorganic
jdp23: excellent! that would have been fun
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tantek
Quill found micropub support so it went to the IndieAuth flow to log in as werd.io
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tantek
aaronpk canceled out of that
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@jgarber
RT @aaronpk: We're starting #indiewebcamp Cambridge this morning with demos! Follow along with the livestream: http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Cambridge/Live (twtr.io/rg_XNW3fJ8)
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tantek
now showed what happens if he tries Quill with tantek.com
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@jmarcreichow
via @kopfzeiler http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/04/25/indiewebcamps_create_tools_for_a_new_internet.html #indieweb (twtr.io/rg_Y6iYMyR)
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tantek
it can't find micropub endpoint
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@jgarber
RT @timmmmyboy: I can't think of a more appropriate venue for #indiewebcamp than here at the Stata Center at MIT on the same floor as W3C o… (twtr.io/rg__2jamh9)
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tantek
but then shows documentation of how to start enabling micropub on your site.
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tantek
next up
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tantek
willowbl00: showing an animation explaining the indieweb that she made!
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tantek
her itch is to help other people understand
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tantek
wants to add audio to her animation
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willowbl00
indiewebcamp visualization I'll be asking for help writing a script for: http://youtu.be/PRCqOyN4cjE?list=UUh3KWUd-8Fxfu6UxX5-uiFA
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@aaronpk
@timmmmyboy Actually Quill is a #POSSE tool since it posts first to your website and doesn't... #indiewebcamp http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/10/11/2/posse-indiewebcamp (twtr.io/rg_moqP5fG)
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caseorganic
aaronpk_: tantek: willowbl00 asks the question: is there an etherpad associated with sessions for indiewebcamp? There was the mozilla link before.
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@timmmmyboy
RT @aaronpk: @timmmmyboy Actually Quill is a #POSSE tool since it posts first to your website and doesn't... #indiewebcamp http://t.co/Oq5i… (twtr.io/rg_py4ocYp)
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caseorganic
tantek: willowbl00: aaronpk_: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-cambridge
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pdurbin
right, linked also from http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Cambridge
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@timmmmyboy
@aaronpk Ah, thanks for the clarification. Even better! #indiewebcamp (twtr.io/rg_uxoCeAw)
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caseorganic
Note that if you're just joining and are remote, the livestream for IndieWebCamp Cambridge is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioyudny4mp8
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@marksimpkins
@caseorganic aww, you guys are having all the fun at MIT (CyborgCamp yesterday, IndieWebCamp today). (twtr.io/rga4G43sxb)
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jdp23
whoa on the livestream i'm seeing @casorganic showing the livestream ... recursion :)
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obra
erinjo: benwerd: https://s.ly/ - the background color should be orange, I think. https://www.dropbox.com/s/5opcuw2vfeyzcfb/Screenshot%202014-10-11%2010.40.39.png?dl=0 is my site style.
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/aaronpk/520943667981201409/520945563672793088 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Cambridge/Live (webmention)
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caseorganic
jdp23: dun dun dun!
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tantek
up next: ben_thatmust
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tantek
ben.thatmustbe.me
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tantek
demonstrating his site
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/aaronpk/520943667981201409/13081242 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Cambridge/Live (webmention)
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/aaronpk/520943667981201409/91704031 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Cambridge/Live (webmention)
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tantek
shows signing into his site via IndieAuth
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benwerd
obra: okeydoke. sorry. will take a look. cc erinjo
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caseorganic
benwerd: today i'm going to install Known on one of my domains!
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obra
benwerd: no apology necessary!
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benwerd
caseorganic: yay!
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Loqi
yay!
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mattl
just log in as tantek and see what happens
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obra
you're giving me free software. additional gifts of time or work are just that. gifts.
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benwerd
feedback is also a gift
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obra
:)
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caseorganic
benwerd: the question is which domain? silly.io squawk.io tricky.io wacky.io or worry.io?
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@timmmmyboy
I see lots of folks are using IndieAuth on their sites: https://indieauth.com/ Verifying login identity by your domain #indiewebcamp (twtr.io/rgaM2oB_bo)
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benwerd
caseorganic: seriously, that spare domain hack weekend is just waiting to happen
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tantek
ben_thatmust started his site based on Opencart
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jdp23
benwerd is there a way to set up known to support indieauth? just tryied using quill on streamltapestrymaker.net and no dice
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benwerd
caseorganic: hopefully not too tricky.io
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tantek
tore out anything to do with sales etc.
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caseorganic
benwerd: true.dat
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tantek
… wrote his own micropub UI / endpoint
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tantek
… which has its own indieauth login
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benwerd
jdp23: yes. there's a plugin called indiepub - comes as standard in the installer package and the hosted service but needs to be enabled
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tantek
… shows Google Authenticator login
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jdp23
benwerd cool thanks
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caseorganic
benwerd: you still have squirreled.com, right? have you turned it into a known-powered squirrel aggregator yet?
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tantek
… shows a UI
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caseorganic
benwerd: or perhaps a site on the dangers of digital hoarding?
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tantek
shows (Delete) UI
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benwerd
caseorganic: okay, forget everything else, that's what's happening this weekend
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tantek
… and if he deleted by accident, shows (Undelete) support
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tantek
can do New posts to to Create Posts
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benwerd
undelete support is awesome
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caseorganic
undelete support - nice
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tantek
Ntoes, article, rsvp, checkin, like, bookmark
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tantek
s/Ntoes/Notes
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Loqi
tantek meant to say: Notes, article, rsvp, checkin, like, bookmark
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benwerd
VERY nice reposting support.
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tantek
… shows going to a post on tantek.com
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tantek
copying the permalink
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tantek
and pasting into a URL parameter into his micropub endpoint URL
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tantek
auto-fills the content for reposting
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tantek
ben_thatmust: it gets the content from the tantek.com permalinks by curling it, parsing it with phpmf2 for microformats, and pulling out the properties / contents etc.
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tantek
… I want it to detect the type of post too
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benwerd
ben_thatmust: super-cool
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tantek
… past couple of weeks he implemeted Delete and Undelete
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@mattl
Watch #indiewebcamp live https://www.youtube.com/ (twtr.io/rgahDiwPFC)
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caseorganic
chrisdancy is up next to do a demo
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tantek
ben_thatmust: his UI shows all deleted posts to him when he's logged in
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tantek
… so he can undelete them
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@aaronpk
@timmmmyboy Come to think of it, it's not even POSSE because there is no syndicated copy! It's just an #indieweb app! #indiewebcamp (twtr.io/rgao2Jneej)
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mattl
ben_thatmustbeme: does that mean anyone with the URL to a deleted item can get it, even once its "deleted"?
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tantek
up next
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caseorganic
benwerd: when you're in portland next let me know. i'll host the spare domain hack day. that's actually a good name. SDHD.
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tantek
chrisdancy
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ben_thatmust__
mattl, no, drafts are viewable via permalink, but deleted pages do no
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@benwerd
@aaronpk @timmmmyboy But it could _trigger_ syndication, right? #indiewebcamp (twtr.io/rgaupef_cs)
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tantek
chrisdancy: showing OhLife
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benwerd
caseorganic: I would come specially. Mostly I come to Portland for Indie Web Camp ;)
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tantek
but OhLife is shutting down!
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caseorganic
chrisdancy: "today is my birthday. ohlife is shutting down today"
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caseorganic
adds ohlife to http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths
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tantek
… see also timehop and memoir
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caseorganic
"perspective as a service apps"
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@benwerd
Learning that a service called #OhLife is shutting down, and now I have the world's worst earworm. Doo doo-doo doo ... #desree #indiewebcamp (twtr.io/rgb5Q3JZfH)
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jdp23
benwerd that worked, cool. although there weren't any syndication targets
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tantek
… wants something that sends him message that tells him what happened.
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pdurbin
a la timehop
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ben_thatmust__
oh also, ben.thatmustbe.me/new for the micropub client
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benwerd
jdp23: I'll try and look at that today
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tantek
and "indieweb timehop"
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jdp23
benwerd no big deal, no urgency ... should i file a github issue?
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ben_thatmust__
happy birthday chrisdancy
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benwerd
jdp23 sure, yes please
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benwerd
Happy birthday chrisdancy. (If anyone missed Cyborg Camp yesterday, Chris's talk was transformative and awesome.)
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ben_thatmust__
what is indiehop
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "indiehop" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=indiehop
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caseorganic.com
edited /site-deaths (+269) "/* Past */ Added OhLife Shutdown" (view diff)
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/facebook/11500459/10101657765167226/732637625 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Cambridge/Live (webmention)
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@timmmmyboy
Great idea by @chrisdancy to build TimeHop style service for indie sites. Get an email each day with memory from your domain. #indiewebcamp (twtr.io/rgbVx0ALNQ)
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cuibonobo
what is TimeHop
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "TimeHop" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=TimeHop
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@aaronpk
@benwerd @timmmmyboy If your site supports that, yes! Check out https://quill.p3k.io/docs #indiewebcamp (http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/10/11/4/indiewebcamp) (twtr.io/rgbZ7P8tyQ)
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chrisdancy
thanks for thinking about sending me my memories
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obra
caseorganic: https://twitter.com/TwitPic/status/512705809696837632
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@TwitPic
We're happy to announce we've been acquired and Twitpic will live on! We will post more details as we can disclose them (twtr.io/qsX4r4FinC)
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cuibonobo
video feed has been buffering for almost a minute. is it just me?
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aaronpk_
let me check it out
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cuibonobo
a refresh fixed it
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aaronpk_
ah k
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aaronpk_
i had lots of wifi issues with the livestream yesterday, but that may be because lots of people came online later in the day. it's pretty quiet on campus here today so i'm hoping it's more stable
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ben_thatmust__
caseorganic perhaps a restored section for site-deaths just for upcoming.org
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benwerd
Encouraging timmmmyboy to demo Domain of One's Own tech - domains for every student!
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obra
erinjo: benwerd: is there a withknown irc channel?
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benwerd
obra: there is not. As of this morning there is now community.withknown.com
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aaronpk_
tantek showing how he has implemented actions on his posts
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obra
(I poked at withknown.com and couldn't find a link)
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obra
nodnod
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aaronpk_
showing indie-action tag markup
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aaronpk_
http://indiewebcamp.com/webactions
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aaronpk_
so that the "like" or "repost" buttons post those to your own site rather than just liking on twitter
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bret
hey iwc mit!
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obra
aw. community.withknown.com doesn't let me indieauth against my own known site ;)
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aaronpk_
just realized we have two aarons, two jesses, and two bens here. (sort of, minus spelling differences)
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bret
haha
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caseorganic.com
edited /site-deaths (+319) "/* Upcoming */ Added update to Twitpic shutdown and later acquisition announcement" (view diff)
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Loqi
rofl
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bret
aaronpk_: is there a lifestream?
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timmmmyboy
If there's still time I'd be happy to do a demo, can show Known integration with students.
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bret
life(
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jdp23_
i think this "reply-in-context" is incredibly important
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mattl
bret: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioyudny4mp8
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@kyle_wm
RT @aaronpk: We're starting #indiewebcamp Cambridge this morning with demos! Follow along with the livestream: http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Cambridge/Live (twtr.io/rgcURSchbp)
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bret
mattl++
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Loqi
mattl has 3 karma
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jdp23_
obra you may need to enable IndiePub in the site features. once I did that I could use IndieAuth
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tantek
what is IndiePub?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "IndiePub" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=IndiePub
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ben_thatmust__
jdp23_ i agree
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benwerd
obra: you'll need to grab the plugin because you're running from git https://github.com/idno/indiepub
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benwerd
tantek: it's the combination IndieAuth / Micropub plugin for Known
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aaronpk_
oh my
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bret
tantek, dig the changes!
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tantek
thanks bret!
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tantek
up next
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obra
ahhhh
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tantek
pdurbin - demoing greptilian.com - his site
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tantek
wiki.greptilian.com
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tantek
three itches
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tantek
owning your own data
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tantek
building community
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tantek
reproduceability of results
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tantek
(those three)
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tantek
under the owning your own data, storing his wiki in git
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jdp23_
benwerd i see what obra's talking about. if i try to sign in to community.withknow.com it prompts for an email address, not a domain
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tantek
it's based on ikiwiki
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tantek
see /ikiwiki for more
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benwerd
ahhhhhh
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benwerd
I see. True
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benwerd
cracks knuckles. Project!
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aaronpk_
benwerd: +100000 for supporting indieauth logins on community.withknown.com!
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obra
:)
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aaronpk_
or more accurately, +2500
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benwerd
aaronpk_ No, I don't
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benwerd
Hold back
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benwerd
Wait wait
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benwerd
Future-me will
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tantek
… uses markdown for the document format in his wiki
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tantek
… has a few haunts on the home page of his wiki
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tantek
… where he hangs out
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tantek
… IRC
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tantek
… lot of value in channels that are logged
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/aaronpk/520943667981201409/520953824073105409 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Cambridge/Live (webmention)
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bear
looks like a great showing for IWC
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tantek
(bear - it is!)
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tantek
pdurbin hosts his own irc logs
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@mattl
@philipdurbin demoing ikiwiki at #indiewebcamp -- @joeyhess (twtr.io/rgcq4Ex0J8)
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tantek
irclog.greptilian.com
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tantek
he didn't write the bot, written by moritz
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tantek
instance is called philbot
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tantek
shows a log of friendlyjava - when he gave a talk at JavaOne last week
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tantek
also runs a logging bot at work
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tantek
shows dataverse channel log
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tantek
a way to upload and get a citation
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tantek
dataverse is all about reproduceability
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tantek
on github he has a repo called greptilian-vagrant
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tantek
github.com/pdurbin/greptilian-vagrant
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tantek
anyone can clone his setup
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tantek
all the configuration is stored in this repo
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tantek
the point of vagrant is that you just type "vagrant up" and you get a virtual machine right there on your own box
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ben_thatmust__
love the idea of having all the configuration in a vagrant set up
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ben_thatmust__
pdurbin++ for that
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tantek
up next
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Loqi
pdurbin has 4 karma
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tantek
Tim Owens
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tantek
he's coming from a highered backround
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tantek
ben and the Known group introduced him to indieweb
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tantek
giving every student faculty staff that wants one - domain hosting
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tantek
UMW.domains
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tantek
University of Mary Washington
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tantek
when students log in they use their university credentials
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tantek
they choose their domain and they get redirect right into cpanel
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tantek
what is cpanel?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "cpanel" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=cpanel
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tantek
tim … shows creating a domain
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tantek
uses a plugin for cpanel
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tantek
called installatron
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tantek
it's not open source, but it's pretty powerful. one-click installer
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tantek
includes open source software to install, but also has an API to add more to the install
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tantek
one way to customize it
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tantek
can also build their own applications
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@mattl
Domain squatters. Get http://timgetsatestdomain.org now before @timmmmyboy does another demo. #indiewebcamp (twtr.io/rgdRqpCY_8)
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tantek
has a section "For Education"
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tantek
creates packages that students can install
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tantek
benwerd gave them some of the code that runs withknown.com - sign up process so they could use it for courses
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benwerd
timmmmmyboy is demoing a hub: known users can syndicate to this hub known site
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bear.im
created /cpanel (+223) "Created page with "<dfn>cPanel is a web based hosting control panel that provides an interface to tools designed to simplify the requirements of hosting a web site</dfn> * https://en.wikipedia.org..."" (view diff)
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aaronpk_
bear++
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Loqi
bear has 34 karma
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tantek
Tim shows how a student could create a site with Known, but as part of an existing Known hub
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tantek
when they're registering it's registering on that hub
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pdurbin
"I'll just keep adding m's until it works." --timmmmyboy
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@benwerd
Demo: @timmmmyboy installs @withknown #indieweb https://twitter.com/benwerd/status/520957554768093184/photo/1 (twtr.io/rgdoP8tkt4)
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@mattl
Hey @timmyboy and @timmmyboy please come to #indiewebcamp and meet @timmmmyboy (twtr.io/rgdszpkoWw)
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tantek
… for us this is about student agency
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tantek
… they have their own space
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tantek
… when they publish things, they can just publish on their own site
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tantek
… or they can push to Twitter etc.
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tantek
… and they can push it to the hub, that faculty member, e.g. when they're submitting assignments
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@timmmmyboy
Demoing Known in Domain of One's Own for #indiewebcamp (twtr.io/rgdzE4pMvC)
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tantek.com
edited /cpanel (+17) "stub, fix dfn" (view diff)
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@benwerd
RT @timmmmyboy: Demoing Known in Domain of One's Own for #indiewebcamp (twtr.io/rge11g0Zmg)
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tantek
… demos posting to his demo Known, and syndicating to the wire106 hub
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jdp23
benwerd is the known hub site a syndication target just like the others?
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@jeckman
RT @aaronpk: We're starting #indiewebcamp Cambridge this morning with demos! Follow along with the livestream: http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Cambridge/Live (twtr.io/rge3dxs7fo)
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aaronpk_
i'm curious about how this hub thing works!
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bear.im
edited /cpanel (-53) "linkify dfn" (view diff)
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jdp23
aaronpk_ me too :)
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tantek
… helping students get their feet wet
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tantek
… they can take their domain when they graduate
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@benwerd
From now on, @timmmmyboy is doing our pitches for us. @withknown #indieweb (twtr.io/rgeBWtvFgs)
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@mattl
Is there a free software tool like cpanel? #indiewebcamp (twtr.io/rgeC0Vj8xb)
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tantek
… there's a system for the students to transfer their domain to another registrar
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tantek
… so they can retain it forever
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bret
are we not using http://etherpad.indiewebcamp.com ?
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aaronpk_
using the mozilla one
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bret
k
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rascul
https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-cambridge
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@jimgroom
RT @benwerd: From now on, @timmmmyboy is doing our pitches for us. @withknown #indieweb (twtr.io/rgeM_mTbAf)
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jdp23
great demos! taking off now -- i might try to join in some of the sessions later if it's doable remotely
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pdurbin
three things for the card (barcamp style): 1. title/brief description (i.e. webactions), 2. your name, 3. hashtag for your session and indieweb-yourhashtag etherpad
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@jimgroom
Why am I not surprised @timmmmyboy tore up @withknown demo on @reclaimhosting at @indiewebcamp in Boston. #4life (twtr.io/rgeacijscN)
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pdurbin
i.e. https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-webactions
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/aaronpk/520943667981201409/520958266906779648 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Cambridge/Live (webmention)
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bret
Make sure to post your pads into IRC or even better on to https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-cambridge
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bret
Is there a photo of the session schedule I can copy into the wiki?
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aaronpk_
not yet
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benwerd
bret: it's empty so far
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aaronpk_
we're abotu to start scheduling
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bret
rgr, if you can get me that photo when scheduling is done i can start getting that into the wiki
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pdurbin
bret: plan is to snap a photo before lunch, which will be in an hour and a half
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aaronpk_
awesome
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pdurbin
lunch at clover: http://www.cloverfoodlab.com/location-and-hours/ https://twitter.com/cloverKND
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@anomalily
Hey #indiewebcamp cambridge peeps! I’m spying on you via the livestream. It feels a bit…voyeuristic. (twtr.io/rgfBWw2oPU)
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@anomalily
My twitter stream is a competition between #indiewebcamp and #DayOfTheGirlBGC @BlackGirlsCode is building ROBOTS (twtr.io/rgfcLQH5hQ)
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@BlackGirlsCode
RT @anomalily: My twitter stream is a competition between #indiewebcamp and #DayOfTheGirlBGC @BlackGirlsCode is building ROBOTS (twtr.io/rgfe7Az22f)
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@Adebukola
RT @anomalily: My twitter stream is a competition between #indiewebcamp and #DayOfTheGirlBGC @BlackGirlsCode is building ROBOTS (twtr.io/rgfm3JRGDs)
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@anomalily
In my ideal world, very soon the code divas of @BlackGirlsCode will be AT #indiewebcamp building a more open web. <3 #DayOfTheGirlBGC (twtr.io/rgfoFAH0ij)
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@BlackGirlsCode
RT @anomalily: In my ideal world, very soon the code divas of @BlackGirlsCode will be AT #indiewebcamp building a more open web. <3 #DayOfT… (twtr.io/rgfr3ZYG8Z)
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aaronpk_
tantek: http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Cambridge/Live
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aaronpk_
i'm going to update the youtube link there as it changes
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aaronpk_
cause it'll be different after lunch
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@Adebukola
RT @anomalily: In my ideal world, very soon the code divas of @BlackGirlsCode will be AT #indiewebcamp building a more open web. <3 #DayOfT… (twtr.io/rggA8soZZt)
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@t
Awesome personal site demos kick off the first #IndieWebCamp Cambridge! Now session scheduling: http://www.youtube.com/ (ttk.me t4Y_1) (twtr.io/rggKmpbJCG)
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@jkphl
.@t What a pity that the livestream isn't available in Germany. Thx @YouTube / @GEMAdialog >:( Have fun y'all @indiewebcamp! o/ (twtr.io/rgg_c1vtEh)
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sixtwothree.org
edited /2014/Cambridge/Guest_List (+251) "/* Remote Participants */ Adding myself to remote participant list." (view diff)
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jgarber
:point_up: Morning, IndieWebCamp folks! I'll be down here in rainy Richmond, VA following along and working on some things.
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bret
lol getting a camera demo
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@aaronpk
@jkphl @t Yeah :-( Yesterday at CyborgCamp someone set up a socks proxy for people in Germany. #indiewebcamp (http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/10/11/5/indiewebcamp) (twtr.io/rggt_ACzE8)
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gRegor`
Hello, #indiewebcamp Cambridge!
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bret
cool schedule time :)
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bret
thanks for the readout, can't quite make out the words in the videp
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aaronpk_
bret: incoming
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bret
uh oh lost the stream
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Loqi
[[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Post-by-email * uploaded "[[File:20141011-160521.jpg]]": Uploaded via email by Aaron Parecki <aar*@*recki.com>
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aaronpk_
yeah, paused before the next session starts
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aaronpk_
i'm making separate youtube URLs for each session
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aaronpk_
bret: http://indiewebcamp.com/File:20141011-160521.jpg
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bret
!!!!
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bret
rad aaronpk_
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aaronpk_
should be live here now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CU6zpvm3tQk
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pdurbin
installer session about how to make installation of indieweb softare easier by mattl starting: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-installer
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tantek
aaronpk can you take/post a photo of the session grid? mine came out a bit blurry.
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aaronpk_
tantek: http://indiewebcamp.com/File:20141011-160521.jpg
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tantek
aaronpk - needs rotation :)
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kylewm
what software is mattl talking about? re: "we're also in PHP"
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tantek
hmm - yours is also blurry at the necessary resolutions
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aaronpk_
i'll take one with my slr
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aaronparecki.com
edited /2014/Cambridge/Live (+400) "add URLs for each livestream session" (view diff)
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aaronpk_
http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Cambridge/Live
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@t
Pouring outside here in Cambridge - great day to be indoors brainstorming how to improve the #indieweb. (ttk.me t4Y_2) (twtr.io/rgihGhS0KC)
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aaronpk_
tantek: https://www.flickr.com/photos/aaronpk/15505486162/
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aaronpk_
bret: https://www.flickr.com/photos/aaronpk/15505486162/sizes/o/
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@jkphl
.@aaronpk :D Keep it like that — and enjoy yourself (and the #indiewebcamp). Looking forward to meeting you on Thursday! #bono14 (twtr.io/rginBfPQJ9)
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pdurbin
kylewm: https://getcomposer.org for PHP was mentioned, not sure if by mattl. I added it to https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-installer
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bret.io
edited /2014/Cambridge/Schedule (+298) "/* Saturday, October 11, 2014 (Brainstorming) */" (view diff)
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bret
aaronpk_: took a first pass
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bret
i'll go through now and link to videos and etherpads
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kylewm
GNU social I think it is
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aaronparecki.com
edited /2014/Cambridge/Live (-32) "update links" (view diff)
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aaronpk_
thanks!
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@domenicoperri
Installers Made Easy - IndieWebCamp Cambridge 2014: http://www.youtube.com/ (twtr.io/rgjH76ys5L)
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@invispide
Installers Made Easy - IndieWebCamp Cambridge 2014: http://www.youtube.com/ via @YouTube (twtr.io/rgjUBvFux4)
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@invispide
I liked a @YouTube video http://www.youtube.com/ Installers Made Easy - IndieWebCamp Cambridge 2014 (twtr.io/rgjVeTXtoo)
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aaronparecki.com
edited /2014/Cambridge/Live (+42) "timezones" (view diff)
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@aaronpk
We'll be livestreaming all the #indiewebcamp sessions in the main room today! http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Cambridge/Live (twtr.io/rgjapK9Btb)
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Loqi
[mention] http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/10/11/3/indiewebcamp linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Cambridge/Live (webmention)
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aaronpk_
bear: we should talk soon about h.264 -> webrtc video :)
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Paging j12t
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bret.io
edited /2014/Cambridge/Schedule (+90) "/* Saturday, October 11, 2014 (Brainstorming) */ Linked most sessions" (view diff)
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bret
aaronpk_: a total of two sessions right now?
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aaronpk_
yes
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benwerd
!tell j12t Interesting feedback from timmmmyboy - would like packages vs an entire distribution (helps run Reclaim Hosting)
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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bret.io
created /2014/Cambridge/ (+28) "Redirected page to [[2014/Cambridge]]" (view diff)
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bret.io
edited /2014/Cambridge/Schedule (+72) "/* Saturday, October 11, 2014 (Brainstorming) */ Finished linking" (view diff)
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/aaronpk/520973764750626816/93659884 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Cambridge/Live (webmention)
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bret.io
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@t
in #indiewebcampscript session led by @willowbl00 on narrating this #indieweb tutorial: http://www.youtube.com/ (ttk.me t4Y_3) (twtr.io/rgm84h2MWf)
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pdurbin
new! https://github.com/mattl/indieweb-installer ... to carry on the conversation :)
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@Mekaeg
RT @anomalily: In my ideal world, very soon the code divas of @BlackGirlsCode will be AT #indiewebcamp building a more open web. <3 #DayOfT… (twtr.io/rgmHPT19UY)
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@Mekaeg
RT @anomalily: My twitter stream is a competition between #indiewebcamp and #DayOfTheGirlBGC @BlackGirlsCode is building ROBOTS (twtr.io/rgmHuD1sH4)
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@erik_paulson
RT @t: Awesome personal site demos kick off the first #IndieWebCamp Cambridge! Now session scheduling: http://www.youtube.com/ (ttk.me t4Y_1) (twtr.io/rgmbYbMkt4)
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GWG
Sounds like a nice crowd there
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blog.bl00cyb.org
edited /2014/Cambridge/Guest_List (+267) "/* Participants */ added willow" (view diff)
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GWG
I'm just happy, since I'm in and out, that the sessions are recorded this time and up on a silo for my enjoyment
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@domenicoperri
RT @timmmmyboy: OwnYourGram: Take your Instagram photos and automatically push them back to your site https://ownyourgram.com/ #indiewebcamp (twtr.io/rgn7f3rX7j)
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carmen
guess this google-streaming thing requires Flash.
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carmen
wonder if Gnash or something works
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GWG
carmen: You should be able to do HTML5
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carmen
chromium has all 6 boxes ticked on http://www.youtube.com/html5 but it just spins a progress/bufffer
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carmen
POST 406 <http://clients1.google.com/ocsp> GET 404 <http://clients1.google.com/generate_204> GET 404 <http://www.google-analytics.com/ga.js> GET 404 <http://www.googletagservices.com/tag/js/gpt.js>
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@VolunteerBGCNY
RT @anomalily: In my ideal world, very soon the code divas of @BlackGirlsCode will be AT #indiewebcamp building a more open web. <3 #DayOfT… (twtr.io/rgnQas0zj0)
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carmen
maybe if you unblock their dozens of spyware hosts embedded in nearly every page on the internet it works?
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carmen
what's a good /etc/hosts manager?
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@VolunteerBGCMem
RT @anomalily: My twitter stream is a competition between #indiewebcamp and #DayOfTheGirlBGC @BlackGirlsCode is building ROBOTS (twtr.io/rgnUzKwij0)
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carmen
GET chrome-extension://enhhojjnijigcajfphajepfemndkmdlo/cast_sender.js net::ERR_FAILED
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carmen
weird, so it must install some extension
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bret
carmen: there are h.264 streams too
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bret
i have a safari :( plugin that replaces the flash with h264 counterpart
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bret
tell me if the schedule needs updating... you all now have a wiki schedule and etherpads made for all the sessions: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-cambridge http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Cambridge_Schedule
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aaronpk_
lunch break!
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bret
let me know if you guys need any other organizational help on the collab front
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@cindygallop
RT @anomalily: In my ideal world, very soon the code divas of @BlackGirlsCode will be AT #indiewebcamp building a more open web. <3 #DayOfT… (twtr.io/rgogGFQW4o)
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@cindygallop
RT @anomalily: My twitter stream is a competition between #indiewebcamp and #DayOfTheGirlBGC @BlackGirlsCode is building ROBOTS (twtr.io/rgoiCHkQuQ)
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@domenicoperri
IndieWebCamp Cambridge 2014: http://www.youtube.com/ via @YouTube (twtr.io/rgot9nNaT0)
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carmen
echo 127.0.0.1 localhost > /etc/hosts doesn't fix it. i bet "full chrome" on mac/win works fine
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carmen
it's impossible to get F12 debugger working on the other live streams, as it's apparemtly making 100s of requests a second. up to "5964" requests after about 10 sweconds
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carmen
unsure if those are all for hte livechat or it's literally requesting each frame in its own req or some other SNAFU
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carmen
most open-sores nazi events ive attended in europe use ogg streaming using stuff built into debian an dit all works fine in vlc or mplayer...
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carmen
i guess this indiewebcamp is about celebrating proprietary corporate streaming solutions though....
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bret
carmen: are you on a mac?
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carmen
much like boston itslef. that's why i live a 30 minute bikeride from the southern end of the redline.. you' basically have to sign a NDA and work on propreiary surveillytics
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carmen
otherwise you wont be able to come up with $2500/mo for a decent 1br not in roxbury...
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carmen
Thinkpad X60 and http://www.voidlinux.eu/
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carmen
maybe i'll just get on my bike and get completely soaked an dmake the 2 hour bike + walk + train commute ot Kendlal Sqr :)
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/aaronpk/520973764750626816/139199211 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Cambridge/Live (webmention)
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@jgarber
Second time in recent memory that #indiewebcamp is on a weekend I’m visiting Richmond, VA. Participating remotely on this rainy Saturday. (twtr.io/rgqVeSPmuw)
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carmen
<error><domain>GData</domain><code>ServiceException</code><internalReason>Internal Server Error</internalReason></error></errors>
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carmen
hrmm, theyre giving me 500s. feels like google only tests with "full chrome", (not chromium?) and only when users are signed in?
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carmen
hypercomplexity for sure in this livestreaming thing. a good old <video> tag has handled streaming video since what, 2008?
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@jeckman
Left #indiewebcamp to join #bcbos for a while. #toomanycamps Excellent ideas and talks at both #cambridgeFTW (twtr.io/rgsp6nkM41)
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@jeckman
RT @dshanske: How I Set Up My Indieweb WordPress Site (https://david.shanske.com/articles/2014/10/02/site-setup/) (twtr.io/rgthU86SGZ)
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bret
you guys back?
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daf
just back from lunch
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bret
neato
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daf
aaron says live stream should be up
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bret
yeah my browser didn't catch the stream at first... working great thanks aaronpk_
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bret
(and daf)
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bret
waves through the video camera
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bret
don't forget to use your etherpads https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-cambridge
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aaronpk_
we're here! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fim6rsTCyh4
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caseorganic
Loqi, should I install Known on squeak.io or silly.io?
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Loqi
silly.io
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@mattl
At #indiewebcamp with @obra @t @benwerd and more. (twtr.io/rguAqBxz6f)
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bret
caseorganic: don't forget to use https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-installknown
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bret
especially since there isn't video on that session
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bret
:) https://www.dropbox.com/s/y2fmy0rricjnex1/Screenshot%202014-10-11%2011.15.49.png?dl=0
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aaronpk_
bret++
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Loqi
bret has 33 karma
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bret
what are you searching for?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "you searching for" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=you+searching+for
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bret
http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-09-28#t1411927207068 ?
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ben_thatmust___
bret, i'll try to watch the chat closer if you have any question
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ben_thatmust___
s
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bret
ben_thatmust___: you there?
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ben_thatmust___
yep
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bret
:) sweet
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bret
ill ping on your name for qs
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ben_thatmust___
sitting to the left, don't know if you can see me, maroon shirt
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@invispide
indieweb: http://www.youtube.com/ (twtr.io/rguuA7fphQ)
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@domenicoperri
RT @invispide: indieweb: http://www.youtube.com/ (twtr.io/rguycX_Jaj)
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gRegor`
Since I'm already working on a new webmention plugin for ProcessWire, I might attempt to add vouch to it tomorrow.
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aaronpk_
well it should be pretty easy to verify vouches!
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gRegor`
Yeah, danlyke is doing that
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@benwerd
Learning that very few shared hosts support PHP 5.4 by default. So, that's it: we're backporting @withknown to 5.3. #weep #indieweb (twtr.io/rgvGMXgp9L)
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pdurbin
such as namecheap as a PHP host
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aaronpk_
benwerd: sadface!
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bear
that is indeed horrible news
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benwerd
a single tear
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benwerd
actually, that's a lie
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benwerd
multiple tears
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timmmmyboy
benwerd: with no option for end-user to upgrade? That scenario would be a hurdle but easier to overcome. Host that doesn't support it period is questionable host.
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caseorganic
obra: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/592322/php-expects-t-paamayim-nekudotayim
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aaronpk_
double-double-dot
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gRegor`
Watch out for so-and-so that's harassing people?
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gRegor`
Whos is TommyTroll? ;)
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benwerd
There were questions about Known on nginx. Here's a tutorial: https://elliottucker.net/2014/setting-up-known-with-nginx-indieweb
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bear
has that tutorial been updated to fix the path issue that known plugins use?
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bear
I know I had to stop using nginx for leo's site because the twitter callback would not work
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carmen
nginx seems less pedantic than Apache WRT RFC-compliance .stuff like tossing etags and always 200ing script-backends
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carmen
requires a lot more explicit whitelisting of headers also
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carmen
and dont forget to additionally set the Access-Control-Expose-Headers header or else a browser or something else will toss it anyways
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gRegor`
Unless the spam link is on a Wikipedia User page
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gRegor`
I bet those won't be cleaned up nearly as fast
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bret
ben_thatmust___: can you bring up wikipdeia user pages as a target for spam?
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gRegor`
(I'm commenting on the vouch session, in case these comments seem random)
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bret
indieklout... jk
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gRegor`
Heh
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bret
it was gregor! I just pinged
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bret
no idea
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gRegor`
I don't see it as a big problem. I don't think I would trust wikipedia as a vouch
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bret
seems sketchy
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aaronpk_
confirmed wikipedia adds rel=nofollow to links on user pages
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bret
aaronpk_: rgr
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aaronpk_
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Tom_Morris#Quick_Links
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bret
is that all of media wiki?
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gRegor`
Probably
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aaronpk_
indiewebcamp wiki does not
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bear
that is why I like how the vouch spec leaves verification as a blackbox -- it's going to encourage different methods
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aaronpk_
yes
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gRegor`
I think I'm a bit confused on the rel-no-follow. I thought that had to be on our sites when we link to Wikipedia, for example.
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aaronpk_
it can be
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aaronpk_
that just means that your post that links to wikipedia won't be used as a vouch
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bear
blacklist is not required if people use vouch verification methods that are organic and being refreshed often (i.e. by having TTL for how far back you allow a vouch link to be used)
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gRegor`
And when I check a vouch URL, I should verify it's not a rel-no-follow link to my domain? I think I'm getting it
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bret
what I like about this is that a lot of places in portland just require vouches to get in.... ("whoa whoa, who are you?" "nah man its cool I know elliott" "ohh yeah ok cool come on in")
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bret
(and all over really... ha!)
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bret
vouched for by weev
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gRegor`
It appears all external links on Wikipedia have rel-nofollow
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mattl
bret: someone had to name drop me to get into a bar in Boston last week.
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bear
is tantek saying that a blogroll is a vouch source?
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bret
mattl! exactly!
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gRegor`
I'm on the big screen
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gRegor`
Or not. Not refreshing.
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@alanpearceuk
RT @kevinmarks: “all of your assumptions that aren’t written down are barriers.” https://medium.com/node-js-javascript/building-a-better-node-community-3f8f45b45cb5 #indieweb (twtr.io/rgwyw_gXaU)
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bret
if you see a link between two sites, and the linkee supports wm, and no wm has been sent, a 3rd party can come in and send the wm
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@Thesueshi
RT @anomalily: My twitter stream is a competition between #indiewebcamp and #DayOfTheGirlBGC @BlackGirlsCode is building ROBOTS (twtr.io/rgxEm6M5M5)
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@Neilnanderson
RT @aaronpk: We'll be livestreaming all the #indiewebcamp sessions in the main room today! http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Cambridge/Live (twtr.io/rgxUCgekGo)
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bear
aaronpk_ or ben_thatmust___ - did they say how the vouch is sent along with the webmention? as a header or a new param to the GET?
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aaronpk_
bear: an additional parameter
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bear
ta
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aaronpk_
vouch=
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bear
449 is something that Microsoft introduced - no?
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aaronpk_
yep we found that on wikipedia
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GWG
I missed Vouch
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GWG
Darn
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bret
GWG: its still going on
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bret
(or is it about to end and the video circled back)
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aaronpk_
bret: sometimes the player skips back, you can probrably refresh to catch back up
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bret.io
edited /User:Bret.io (+41) "/* Events */" (view diff)
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bret.io
edited /User:Bret.io (+76) "/* Current IndieWeb Projects */" (view diff)
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GWG
bret: I see people debating.
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GWG
I just sent it to the Chromecast
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GWG
I can watch the replay
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GWG
That makes this the best IWC ever
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aaronpk_
:)
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GWG
aaronpk_: You'll have to tell me your setup.
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Loqi
[mention] http://www.nextinnonprofits.com/2014/10/nonprofit-content-distribution-and-posse/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE#Partial_POSSE_sites (pingback)
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Loqi
[mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/aaronpk/520973764750626816/521009801359147008 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Cambridge/Live (webmention)
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GWG
This works better than talky. Although less interaction.
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ben_thatmust___
s/trust/approve/ on that whole conversation
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bret
Sounds like this vouch stuff could benefit from more graffle charts
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bear
GWG - I have to agree sadly - we really need to get recording and broadcast implemented in talky
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bret
bear++
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Loqi
bear has 35 karma
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aaronpk_
bear: we're gonna try out this broadcaster with an h.264->webrtc gateway soon right? :D
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bret
a braodcast talky room, with only a single video feed and maybe a chatroom
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bear
aaronpk, bret - those are both on the feature list for our november schedule
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IWC_Cambridge2
what is graffle?
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daf
I'm working on a flowchart!
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "graffle" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=graffle
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GWG
bear: Talky is designed for multiple people...not for this sort of livestreaming...
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bear
gwg - yep, but it's a "pro" feature we are considering
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bret
bear: and webRTC p2p video broadcast so more viewers = more BW for everyone
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GWG
bear: I look forward to it.
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GWG
That, and watching what I missed earlier.
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bear
bret - we would have a video bridge to avoid death-by-mesh
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bret
or did bittorrent inc slurp up all patents on that
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bret
anyone know of tools to generate online versions of https://www.omnigroup.com/omnigraffle style charts?
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bear
lucidchart.com
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GWG
is working on a non-itch
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jdp23
i'm working on somebody else's itch :-|
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GWG
jdp23: Oh?
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jdp23
i have a 2-panel display with the chat in the left panel, a thread in the right panel
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kylewm
GWG: sometimes scratching creates an itch
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GWG
I'm working on WordPress stuff again.
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jdp23
the chat direciton is togglable: new messages at bottom (IRC style) or at top (Twitter style)
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jdp23
half of my users want to be able to toggle the direction of the thread as well to match the chat :-|
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jdp23
personally i couldn't care less but it matters a lot to them. so .... time to scratch
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GWG
It's pretty lacking in excitement. I'm rewriting the settings menu using the WordPress Settings API. Once I have the menu set up, I can code the functionality I want.
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jdp23
kylewm what did you think of the vouch discussion in https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-vouch ?
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GWG
Event over?
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gRegor`
Vouch is over. Next session will have a separate youtube link
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bear
he's reseting the stream for the next discussion
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gRegor`
http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Cambridge/Live
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bear
https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-vouch for the notes on the vouch session
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jdp23
it depends what's being projected :)
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@thierrymarianne
RT @t: Awesome personal site demos kick off the first #IndieWebCamp Cambridge! Now session scheduling: http://www.youtube.com/ (ttk.me t4Y_1) (twtr.io/rgzd6XJn2Q)
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mattl
Okay indieweb folks. Its been fun, but I really need to go take a nap and get ready for Europe. Hope to see some of you at MozFest!
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aaronpk_
looks like you found the new livestream
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bear
what is the new url?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "the new url" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=the+new+url
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aaronpk_
check http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Cambridge/Live for all the URLs. we're on inline reply now
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bret
https://manifest.googlevideo.com/api/manifest/hls_variant/pmbypass/yes/ipbits/0/sver/3/ip/2601%3A7%3A1c80%3A576%3A595b%3A6891%3A76e1%3Ac88d/upn/DgNyEhwt7Jk/fexp/907257%2C914004%2C916941%2C923349%2C924637%2C927622%2C930666%2C931983%2C932404%2C934030%2C943911%2C945552%2C946022%2C947209%2C951811%2C952302%2C953801/sparams/gcr%2Cid%2Cip%2Cipbits%2Citag%2Cmaudio%2
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bret
Cplaylist_type%2Cpmbypass%2Csource%2Cexpire/playlist_type/DVR/itag/0/id/TEPhgOF2fiY.0/maudio/1/source/yt_live_broadcast/gcr/us/expire/1413076509/signature/1B5B0950E658939F34E1609AE43819C3964F1B75.9C7F5D5A913F7138C48077BEA6D582C2844F5646/key/yt5/file/index.m3u8
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bret
oops
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bear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEPhgOF2fiY
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bret
also http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Cambridge/Live for the next sessions
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bret
(linked to from https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-cambridge )
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aaronpk_
question for the people on the stream, is it useful to show just the giant screen here or do you want to see the room and our pretty faces too?
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bear
at least the head of the speaker
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IWC_Cambridge2
the contrast makes it so you can't really see the screen then
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bret
maybe a pan or two, but screen and audio are most important
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bret.io
created /2014/Cambridge/indiewebcampscript (+59) "Added etherpad" (view diff)
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carmen
http://i.imgur.com/i6dhMq6.png
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aaronpk_
shrewdness seems to have lost my subscriptions
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carmen
failed out of both browsers. guess youtube-dl the archives is the answer
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bret.io
created /2014/Cambridge/vouch (+60) "Added etherpad" (view diff)
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bret.io
created /2014/Cambridge/installknown (+67) "Added etherpad" (view diff)
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@hammerron
Watching #indiewebcamp at https://www.youtube.com/ (twtr.io/rh0S7BaN1b)
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jdp23
yes that would be cool!
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bret
hey all at IWC, help take notes here: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-inline
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bret
if you are in an unscheduled break off group, please create a new pad
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kylewm
jdp23: I read the notes from vouch, more optimistic now :) I think it'll be a while before anyone automates the vouch-finding part, but maybe that's ok
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jdp23
kylewm agreed
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bret.io
created /2014/Cambridge/inline (+105) "Added live links" (view diff)
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bret.io
edited /2014/Cambridge/inline (+4) "turned into a list" (view diff)
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bret.io
edited /2014/Cambridge/Schedule (+10) "/* Saturday, October 11, 2014 (Brainstorming) */ Fixed 2014 - Cambridge link" (view diff)
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daf
here's my webmention+vouch diagram https://imgur.com/jiYShZD
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bret
daf++
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Loqi
daf has 1 karma
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bret
daf: get that into https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-vouch please
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jdp23
daf++
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Loqi
daf has 2 karma
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jdp23
very useful!
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bret.io
edited /2014/Cambridge/Introductions (+56) "/* Notes */ Added video" (view diff)
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jdp23
i added it to the etherpad
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bret.io
edited /2014/Cambridge/installer (+48) "Added video link" (view diff)
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bret
jdp23++
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Loqi
jdp23 has 4 karma
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bret.io
edited /2014/Cambridge/vouch (+48) "Added video link" (view diff)
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jdp23
putting security aside for the moment, i'd be comfortable with a checkbox saying "post on my site and syndicate here" (or even "syndicate back to my site")
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jdp23
if i'm logged in, i'd like to see the checkbox enabled by default; if not, then when i clickon it it gives me the opportunity to log in
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pdurbin
just installed Known for the first time, with some assists from benwerd :)
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bret
pdurbin++
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Loqi
pdurbin has 5 karma
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mlncn
pdurbin++
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Loqi
pdurbin has 6 karma
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benwerd
pdurbin++
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Loqi
dude
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bret
Loqi: turn off your karma filter on IWC days plz, kthnx
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Loqi
dude
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carmen
6-8pm ZINE READINGS by Katie Bennet, Ponybody Violet of ANAlog, Brittany Mitchel of Sweet as the South, J.C., Alex Nall of Teaching Comics, Nicole Mazzeao of Pleasure Pie, Emma Karin Eriksson and Kerri Radley of Deafula
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bret
carmen: where at?
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carmen
http://www.bostonhassle.com/art/boston-zine-fest-day-1-washington-street-art-center-somerville/
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bret
cool
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bret
Could there be some kind of standardized posting interface objects?
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bret
set of*
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benwerd
caseorganic http://assets.withknown.com/releases/known-0.6.4-rc1.zip
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bret
i want a stand like Jesse :)
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Loqi
gives bret a stand like Jesse
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@benwerd
Ported @withknown to PHP 5.3 this afternoon. Needs some testing. Release candidate here: http://assets.withknown.com/releases/known-0.6.4.zip #indieweb (twtr.io/rh2yNx_aE9)
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bret
I goat run!
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caseorganic
bret: bye!
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bret
s/goat/gotta
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Loqi
bret meant to say: I gotta run!
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bret
bye caseorganic
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jdp23
my audio's too muddy to follow, can somebody else take over the etherpad notes?
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ben_thatmust___
i can't i should be heading to the other room for the other session
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ben_thatmust___
since i should be running one
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jdp23
yep. incredibly important
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@kartik_prabhu
Missing out on the MIT @indiewebcamp goodness due to no laptop :-( (twtr.io/rh5CAD7hiC)
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GWG
What is Making Mobile Easier about?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Making Mobile Easier about" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=Making+Mobile+Easier+about
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aaronpk_
we are here now! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmASPg7QU0k
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ben_thatmust___
ooor not, no one was over there,
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aaronpk_
obra: i'm experimenting with this now :)
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tantek
using this etherpad for mobile session: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-mobilesux
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@caseorganic
The Internet of someone else's things. http://techcrunch.com/2014/10/11/the-internet-of-someone-elses-things/ #iot #indieweb (http://caseorganic.com/notes/2014/10/11/8/iot-indieweb) (twtr.io/rh7BcwYdy8)
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obra
aaronpk_ :)
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@MaximeFF
RT @caseorganic: The Internet of someone else's things. http://techcrunch.com/2014/10/11/the-internet-of-someone-elses-things/ #iot #indieweb (http://caseorganic.com/notes/2014/10/11/8/iot-indieweb) (twtr.io/rh7TtWQwbJ)
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@rarianrakista
RT @caseorganic: The Internet of someone else's things. http://techcrunch.com/2014/10/11/the-internet-of-someone-elses-things/ #iot #indieweb (http://caseorganic.com/notes/2014/10/11/8/iot-indieweb) (twtr.io/rh7XHBUSA8)
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aaronpk_
obra: weird, it half worked
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aaronpk_
my like button did in fact make a post, but then the browser says "No 'Access-Control-Allow-Origin' header is present..."
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aaronpk_
but the post request did come through
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KartikPrabhu_
tantek: I'm writing on your etherpad. hope that's ok
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@jsfyfield
RT @caseorganic: The Internet of someone else's things. http://techcrunch.com/2014/10/11/the-internet-of-someone-elses-things/ #iot #indieweb (http://caseorganic.com/notes/2014/10/11/8/iot-indieweb) (twtr.io/rh7dkggHiW)
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tantek
KartikPrabhu_: please do!
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aaronpk_
obra: I wonder... is there any reason my "like" endpoint shouldn't just say "*" for CORS?
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obra
not necessarily.
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aaronpk_
cause then this totally works
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obra
not 100% sure
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obra
fwiw, my idiotic test is http://eruditorum.org/test.html
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obra
that's not throwing CORS issues.
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aaronpk_
open this on one side: http://geobin.io/GyYrZzVnba and this on the other: http://pin13.net/like/
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obra
back in a moment. gotta feed the meter
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aaronpk_
OH with a form tag
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aaronpk_
k let me change mine around a bit
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obra
:)
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obra
kind of evil.
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obra
but working
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aaronpk_
oh but wait then it redirects the browser
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aaronpk_
aha http://stackoverflow.com/questions/20480547/prevent-form-redirect-after-submit-without-ajax
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aaronpk_
this is quickly getting ugly
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@coreload
"Techno-utopians like to argue that open systems always win, but that simply isn’t true" @caseorganic http://techcrunch.com/2014/10/11/the-internet-of-someone-elses-things/ #iot #indieweb (twtr.io/rh8Wphm8vU)
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pdurbin
tantek: you mentioned ##friendlyjava but didn't link to the logs. Doing so now per the channel owner's request: http://irclog.greptilian.com/friendlyjava/2014-10-11#i_79970 :)
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aaronpk_
oh wait i did this wrong...
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aaronpk_
obra: ok yeah still can't do ajax post cross site
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obra
right.
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obra
:/
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aaronpk_
even if the js comes from that site
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obra
I flaked
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@html5devconf
The web is your API: feeds and actions using HTML5 and webmentions by @benwerd of Known at next #HTML5DevConf http://html5devconf.com/speakers/ben_werdmuller.html (twtr.io/rh9JZwbZM5)
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tantek
woohoo benwerd @html5devconf!
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obra
aaronpk_: I think you're stuck using an iframe. though one should be able to use an invisible iframe.
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obra
the downside is that you can't get a response back.
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aaronpk_
obra: i think we need to get a response back in order to know if the like succeeded
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Loqi
[mention] http://caseorganic.com/articles/2014/10/11/1/indiewebcamp-cambridge-2014-at-mit-stata-center linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Cambridge (webmention)
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Loqi
[mention] http://caseorganic.com/articles/2014/10/11/1/indiewebcamp-cambridge-2014-at-mit-stata-center linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/posse (webmention)
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Loqi
[mention] http://caseorganic.com/articles/2014/10/11/1/indiewebcamp-cambridge-2014-at-mit-stata-center linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started (webmention)
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Loqi
[mention] http://caseorganic.com/articles/2014/10/11/1/indiewebcamp-cambridge-2014-at-mit-stata-center linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events (webmention)
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aaronpk_
obra: so if I add 'Access-Control-Allow-Origin: *' then it works!
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obra
awesome
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bret
Woot
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Loqi
woot
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bret
oh wow, https://ind.ie/pulse/ is absorbing syncthing
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bret
were the related all along?
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aaronpk_
i didn't think so
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tantek
I've been taking notes here: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/indiewebcamp-mobilesux
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bret
well, ind.ie isn't shipping code yet, but at least they are working with people who are :)
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aaronpk_
that's one way to ship code
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bret
true that
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bret
i haven't actually tried sync thing yet, but its come across my radar.
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bret
cool looks kind of like git-annex
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bret
hopefully the overall performance will be better
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mattl
hey benwerd: when you get a sec, can you clone this and make a known.json file and run install.php against it? https://github.com/mattl/indieweb-installer
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aaronpk_
bret: is it not basically bittorrent sync?
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bret
aaronpk_: i don't have a grasp of the scope. definitely looks similar, and is open source
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bret
aaronpk_: looks very similar to bittorrent
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aaronpk_
ok that's what I thought
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bret
you create repos, and connect to other nodes
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bret
which is good, I have full faith the bittorrent inc is capable of royally screwing up BTSync someday
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bret
that*
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aaronpk_
really? I trust bittorrent inc more than syncthing in this case
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aaronpk_
because bittorrent inc actually has a business model behind btsync
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@kartik_prabhu
@dissolve333 Yeah. But I wanted to make things too. Using this time to see how miserable posting from mobile is for me. #indieweb (twtr.io/rhCGMuDtqw)
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bret
aaronpk_: have you ever used utorrent recently?
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bret
its like 3 layers of malware darkpatterns just to install
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aaronpk_
that's cause they don't have a business model behind utorrent
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bret
their business model for it is selling me Anti virus.... which I don't want
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bret
anyway, super lame they should just release it as a utility and monatize other projects
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aaronpk_
maybe they will now that they can actualy charge for btsync
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bret
they charge for it?
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aaronpk_
you can buy a cloud server that will keep a copy online for you
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bret
oy
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bret
have not noticed
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aaronpk_
it costs about the same as running your own AWS instance I believe
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aaronpk_
it's a reasonable approach
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benwerd
mattl: I will do that!
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bret
aaronpk_: where did you see this?
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pdurbin
benwerd: I put my Known/Vagrant hacking here: https://github.com/pdurbin/known-vagrant
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benwerd
pdurbin: awesome!
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@fpgil
RT @caseorganic: The Internet of someone else's things. http://techcrunch.com/2014/10/11/the-internet-of-someone-elses-things/ #iot #indieweb (http://caseorganic.com/notes/2014/10/11/8/iot-indieweb) (twtr.io/rhCfzjJRvC)
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bret
pdurbin++
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Loqi
pdurbin has 7 karma
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@datakid23
RT @caseorganic: The Internet of someone else's things. http://techcrunch.com/2014/10/11/the-internet-of-someone-elses-things/ #iot #indieweb (http://caseorganic.com/notes/2014/10/11/8/iot-indieweb) (twtr.io/rhCpyAT2Kj)
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pdurbin
benwerd: hilarious. had no idea this existed: http://everything2.com/title/The+Everything2+Podcast (or that you've been on it)
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benwerd
pdurbin: Oolong is an IRL friend of mine
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pdurbin
I'm a bit addicted to podcasts. I have various lists here: http://podcasts.greptilian.com
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@aaronpk
"No no no, you *railed* it!" - @obra to @benwerd after solving the issue in the first 30 seconds. #indiewebcamp (http://aaronparecki.com/notes/2014/10/11/4/indiewebcamp) (twtr.io/rhD3tEFbp6)
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pdurbin
oh, last e2 podcast episode was over 3 years ago
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bret
aaronpk_: you are right, basically the same thing https://discourse.syncthing.net/t/how-is-pulse-different-to-bittorrent-sync/1083/5
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bret
where are you guys now?
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aaronpk_
wrapping up
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bret
cool
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bret
no more video?
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aaronpk_
nope! will resume tomorrow
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pdurbin
bret: we wanted to talk about you a bit ;)
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bret
lol
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bret
cool good day everyone! had fun observing
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pdurbin
it's been a fun day
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bret
thank you to everyone taking notes and helping the remote participants
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benwerd
*Finally* cleaned Known for PHP 5.3. http://assets.withknown.com/releases/known-0.6.4-rc1.zip cc caseorganic
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tantek
benwerd - it looks like Known doesn't support putting a user's profile icon as their indiewebcamp.com/icon
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tantek
and instead it just uses the (K) icon
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benwerd
tantek - it's an option
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tantek
but not the default?!?
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benwerd
tantek - oh, I've just realized why it may not be working.
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tantek
getting lots of "it seems weird that it wouldn't show up by default"
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benwerd
nods, and gets out his editor
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benwerd
It was, and I've just realized that a change broke it
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benwerd
sigh
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benwerd
Fixing ;)
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tantek
and the default making it launch in a separate process is a bit weird too
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benwerd
That one I'm not sure about. Doesn't happen on Android. Any clues about what might be triggering iOS to do that?
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tantek
that is - I don't think people expect it to behave that way by default. perhaps remove the <meta name="apple-mobile-web-app-capable" content="yes"> ?
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tantek
yes - you added it a while ago :)
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tantek
when we were experimenting
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tantek
remove <meta name="apple-mobile-web-app-capable" content="yes"> and <meta name="apple-mobile-web-app-status-bar-style" content="black">
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benwerd
Oh, got it
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caseorganic
benwerd: :) downloading now
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benwerd
tantek: thanks; just made that change in code
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benwerd
the user icon is thornier but I'm on it
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tantek
cool
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pdurbin
aaronpk: ok, so this seems to be the thing you're talking about http://indiewebcamp.com/webactions
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erlehmann
say, what would be a good structure for a plain text blog?
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erlehmann
also, anyone here saving entry ids in files themselves?
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carmen
derive ID (URI) from pathname here
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carmen
usign relative URIs inside the file which get a baseURI bound at request time
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aaronpk_
hay ppl
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aaronpk_
how about dinner
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erlehmann
carmen i have lots of old entries that have an id not containing my host.
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tantek
session times are up everyone!
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tantek
back to the main room!
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kylewm
erlehmann: can you give a little more background information? what's the site you are working on, what are you trying to do?
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erlehmann
kylewm http://news.dieweltistgarnichtso.net
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erlehmann
i am currently doing live code-surgery on it
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erlehmann
so if something is broken, disregard it
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erlehmann
but this, for example, is what i am striving for http://news.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/bin.atom
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erlehmann
each category is a git repository
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carmen
i'm trying to make money. which means i have no part in even bringing it up in here. except making money without signing NDAs or working on anything centralized, proprietary or walled-gardenlike. or on bloatware (Mozilla) or licenses i disagree with (FSF/GPL - prefer UNLICENSE/MIT)
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erlehmann
kylewm hipster news 2 generates atom entries for each file. those are formated using xslt
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erlehmann
kylewm i want a very simple file backend where the atom ids (and possibly other metadata) are stored inside the files. MIME would fit the bill, but … implementation complexity.
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Loqi
gives erlehmann a very simple file backend where the atom ids
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erlehmann
i want a pony?
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aaronpk_
you might get a pony
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Loqi
gives erlehmann a pony
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aaronpk_
oh there it is!
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erlehmann
indeed's
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aaronpk_
erlehmann: https://twitter.com/cybersanta
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aaronpk_
that's approximately the same code :)
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erlehmann
so back to http://news.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/bin.atom
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@PeterMandalh
RT @caseorganic: The Internet of someone else's things. http://techcrunch.com/2014/10/11/the-internet-of-someone-elses-things/ #iot #indieweb (http://caseorganic.com/notes/2014/10/11/8/iot-indieweb) (twtr.io/rhGHWb9L4G)
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kylewm
erlehmann: why does carmen's suggestion to use the ID as the path not work?
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aaronparecki.com
edited /2014/Cambridge/Schedule (-11) "update lunch" (view diff)
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erlehmann
kylewm because i already have ids. i want to store them, not generate them.
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erlehmann
kylewm also content sometimes moves around.
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kylewm
oh sure, i think i get it
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kylewm
well, #microformats would suggest store them in a u-uid property
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erlehmann
the heavy handed approach would be to have each entry be a MIME message or xml file or whatever
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erlehmann
ah, interesting. documentation?
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pdurbin
aaronpk: cool, you've documented window.navigator.registerProtocolHandler('web+action', 'https://aaronparecki.com/config.html?handler=%s', 'Aaron Parecki'); at http://indiewebcamp.com/indie-config
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kylewm
erlehmann: http://microformats.org/wiki/h-entry#Properties
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kylewm
there are also people using a block of YAML or JSON frontmatter at the top of each file
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erlehmann
hmm.
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erlehmann
i like assange's self destructing paper http://web.archive.org/web/20071020051936/http://iq.org/#Selfdestructingpaper
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@philipdurbin
demo'ed some stuff on http://greptilian.com this morning at #indiewebcamp https://www.youtube.com/ http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-10-11 (twtr.io/rhHARFVJDL)
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@CharlesKriete
RT @caseorganic: The Internet of someone else's things. http://techcrunch.com/2014/10/11/the-internet-of-someone-elses-things/ #iot #indieweb (http://caseorganic.com/notes/2014/10/11/8/iot-indieweb) (twtr.io/rhHV_WgHeC)
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shaners
erlehmann please add yourself to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people
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shaners
carmen please add yourself to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people
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erlehmann
shaners how do i log in?
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erlehmann
there is no register
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erlehmann
and no anonymous edit
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shaners
erlehmann what is your personal website?
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erlehmann
shaners http://news.dieweltistgarnichtso.net
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erlehmann
shaners and?
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shaners
is typing
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shaners
erlehmann the wiki uses indieauth.com to handle login. instead of username/password, indieauth uses your personal website's domain as the "username" and then farms out to one of several third party sites for the password auth part.
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shaners
ie, i login to the wiki by using my twitter or github credentials (via oauth)
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shaners
so.
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erlehmann
shaners so i have to create a twitter account to log in to the wiki? very indie!
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shaners
the way you enable that on your personal site is to add some links to twitter, github, etc with `rel="me"` on your site.
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erlehmann
> implying implications
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erlehmann
shaners and the easy way to log in?
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shaners
that is the only way to log in
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shaners
do you have any accounts on any social media-y sites?
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erlehmann
okcupid!
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erlehmann
i find the trade-off useful for finding dates.
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shaners
github, twitter, google, app.net
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shaners
you can also use sms or persona (more indie, if you prefer)
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erlehmann
sms?
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erlehmann
sms sounds simple. elaborate?
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shaners
erlehmann: https://indieauth.com/setup
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shaners
still requires adding a link on your homepage
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erlehmann
yeah, but i *have* a phone number
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erlehmann
shaners the scheme is tel btw
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erlehmann
isn't it?
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shaners
talk to aaronpk_ aaronpk about that some other time
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shaners
the ponit of all of this is that A: your domain/url/website is your identity
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erlehmann
yeah, it is. but it seems i need some other identity.
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shaners
2: the indiewebcamp wiki doesn't want to or get to have access to your password
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shaners
indieauth + some other site is a transitional strategy that allows users (me and you) to login to site using our domains as identity (using rel-me links) for now, instead of everyone havign to roll their own auth server.
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shaners
you're welcoem to do that yourself if you want. or run an indieauth server on your domain. it's open source.
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erlehmann
oh lel
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shaners
https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieAuth
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KartikPrabhu_
regarding how indie it is, one could run their own authorization server.
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KartikPrabhu_
doh shaners already said that
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shaners
i ask you (and carmen) to do this because I often see you (and carmen) in here, but i have no clue who you are. and when i look on the wiki, you're not listed.
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shaners
carmen: what is your personal website? please add yourself to /irc-people.
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erlehmann
i do not want to sound off-putting, but the “let me give you my email and send me a link with a login token” strategy that almost everyone else uses somehow has more appeal to me
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erlehmann
shaners is there a way to do that without getting a twitter account in return?
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shaners
again, sms or persona
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shaners
or a github account. do you have some aversion to github?
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erlehmann
why not email?
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KartikPrabhu_
erlehmann: the whole point is to have some prof of work on your own site. having an email does not do that
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erlehmann
how does sms do that?
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erlehmann
github is trying to embrace, extend, extinguish open standards.
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erlehmann
https://education.github.com/
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erlehmann
> stop emailing code
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shaners
erlehmann: are you oppossed to creating a github account?
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KartikPrabhu_
Are you proposing that you will link to your email from your homepage?
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erlehmann
> The days of sharing source code by email and thumb drives are long gone. Using GitHub […]
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erlehmann
KartikPrabhu_ yes!
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KartikPrabhu_
sharing code via email is horrendous imo
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shaners
erlehmann erlehmann : stay focused.
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shaners
i'm trying to get you more plugged in with the indieweb community that you seem to want to particpate in.
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erlehmann
shaners lets say since github suspended my account in the middle of work and took with it all the tickets for a project, i am somewhat hostile.
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KartikPrabhu_
erlehmann: sure maybe suggest to aaronpk for email as login
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shaners
why did they suspend your account?
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erlehmann
dunno lel
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shaners
i doubt that
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erlehmann
no really
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erlehmann
they have automated systems
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erlehmann
and cannot tell me what did it
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erlehmann
also they broke a perfectly working workflow
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shaners
did you take it up with them? contact support? i know several people there. they don't just delete accounts willy nilly.
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shaners
ok. so you're focused on login by email. are you opposed to using Persona?
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erlehmann
yes, i did and they did respond and so on and so on. but that is EXACTLY the thing that i do not want to have again.
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erlehmann
i do not want to not be able to login because github bots run amok
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erlehmann
whatever persona does. let me read up on at.
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erlehmann
it
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shaners
or you can use sms, like i suggested above
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erlehmann
lel https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/what-is-persona-and-how-does-it-work#w_how-do-i-create-an-account
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erlehmann
> Go to login.persona.org, click the Sign in button and a pop-up window will appear.
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erlehmann
no login button, lel https://login.persona.org/
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shaners
erlehmann: again, how about sms ?
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erlehmann
shaners sounds good enough. but then, do i *have* to provide an identity here?
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erlehmann
will i get kicked if i don't make myself known on the wiki?
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KartikPrabhu_
no
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shaners
you've already told me your domain, how is this anymore than that?
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erlehmann
good, then i'll just not do it and no longer think about hideously complex scripts.
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KartikPrabhu_
But also no one has to take you seriously if you are not implementing things ;-)
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erlehmann
shaners cognitive load. as long as it takes more energy to comment on a blog or edit wikipedia or click on a link in an email, i think i won't do it.
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erlehmann
most websites have email login. i enter my email, click on „forgot password“ and get a login link.
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shaners
well, we're doing something different here.
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erlehmann
i use it almost exclusively
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shaners
we're trying to build a better web, a better future.
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erlehmann
yeah, something very complex. why not allow anonymous editing?
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shaners
because trolls and spam
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KartikPrabhu_
I have found email to be pretty bad identification
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shaners
we've been down that route before
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erlehmann
shaners i come from imageboard culture. trolls and spam can certainly be contained, quarantined.
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KartikPrabhu_
proof of work again
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shaners
and for better or for worse the IWC wiki: A: doesn't allow anon edits and 2: requires a rel-me link on your personal website (via indieauth.com)
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erlehmann
the issue with proof of work is that it assumes legitimate users will expend more energy than abusive ones
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KartikPrabhu_
if you don't do things on your website, then your anonymous edits are more likely philosophy
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erlehmann
i moderate on an imageboard i shall not name and i found that consistently the abusers spend *more* energy to spam
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erlehmann
than legitimate users
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KartikPrabhu_
But then we can ban abusive domains
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erlehmann
who just don't post if they do not manage to use the captcha and so on
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shaners
well, over here, we've found that requiring personal domain + rel-me for login keeps the trolls and spam to *almost* zero
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KartikPrabhu_
I would be surprised if spammers spent the effort to make new domains add indieauth support just to edit the wiki
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erlehmann
if i remember correctly, kuro5hin issued a 5$ price for an account. almost only trolls were willing to pay it after they were banned.
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KartikPrabhu_
because money is cheap. self dog fooding isn't
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erlehmann
KartikPrabhu_ i would be surprised if i do any kind of effort that is more than i need to edit wikipedia or comment on a blog post to edit the wiki.
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KartikPrabhu_
Cool. you don't have to do anything
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shaners
erlehmann: why do you hang out in this channel?
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erlehmann
shaners to get information about people who create their own web pages that do not rely on copious amounts of third party soon-to-be-broken API buggery.
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shaners
erlehmann: is this your github account? https://github.com/erlehmann
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erlehmann
and see what software they create
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KartikPrabhu_
do only observing?
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erlehmann
shaners indeed. and look how i do not publish to it anymore.
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shaners
so, were you lying before when you said that github suspended your account?
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shaners
it doesn't look very suspended to me
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erlehmann
shaners they did restore it. they also were unwilling to issue permanent redirects to my home page.
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shaners
redirects from what?
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erlehmann
since code on the github account is mentioned in at least two papers i think that suffices.
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erlehmann
redirects from projects to new urls for those projects on my server.
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shaners
they don't do that. no silo does.
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KartikPrabhu_
even if you are a published author of papers
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shaners
erlehmann: is this your website? http://blog.dieweltistgarnichtso.net
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erlehmann
i am not even the author in one case
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erlehmann
shaners one of them
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erlehmann
i will not connect anything to github. using it for login infrastructure only invites “your account was suspended”
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KartikPrabhu_
man I should ask for that, I have at least 5 papers published :-P
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shaners
is your name Nils Dagsson Moskopp?
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erlehmann
i only expend energy if i feel secure that no third party will break it
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erlehmann
shaners indeed
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erlehmann
allowing github to control my edits to the indieweb wiki would be a boneheaded move i think
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erlehmann
as long as a third party i have no power over can easily sabotage my stuff, i think it is a bad solution
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KartikPrabhu_
do you wish to edit and contribute to the wiki? or only observer here?
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shaners
KartikPrabhu_ I asked erlehmann (and carmen) to add themselves to /irc-people
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erlehmann
KartikPrabhu_ i am content with contributing to my own pake and observing.
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erlehmann
s/pake/site/g
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Loqi
erlehmann meant to say: KartikPrabhu_ i am content with contributing to my own site and observing.
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KartikPrabhu_
Cool then
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shaners
erlehmann: GH would not control your edits. If they ever "suspend your account" again, you can use a different provider for auth. inclduing, AGAIN, SMS.
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shaners
s/inclduing/including/
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Loqi
shaners meant to say: erlehmann: GH would not control your edits. If they ever "suspend your account" again, you can use a different provider for auth. including, AGAIN, SMS.
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erlehmann
shaners they misused my trust twice (the first time was when they were lying about something that i even sent them a patch for not being able to do it without js, even though the site source code showed they did go out of their way to break a form control). i will not give them a chance to do it again.
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erlehmann
fool me twice, etc. pp.
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erlehmann
shaners http://news.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/posts/github-profile-deletion.html
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erlehmann
i did not notice at first even
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erlehmann
because they lied to other users that my repositories where not there
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erlehmann
but not to me
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KartikPrabhu_
erlehmann: cool. might i then suggest that you document your own site work on your own site.
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erlehmann
KartikPrabhu_ i actually do!
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KartikPrabhu_
very nice.
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jdp23
i do think that the indieweb's obsession with "you must log in with your domain" is very offputting to a lot of people
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erlehmann
jdp23 if it was only the domain. “you must give third parties the ability to break your assumptions” is the problem for me.
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KartikPrabhu_
jdp23 it is the self dog fooding prof of work
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KartikPrabhu_
also use sms, run your own auth server, ask for email support, no need for third parties
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jdp23
i understnd. and, it gives the impression of being elitist. "you have to prove your work in order to participate in this community" is offputting
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erlehmann
what jdp23 says
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KartikPrabhu_
ok. I don't see it as unreasonable, even if I'm not a developer
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KartikPrabhu_
I'm very off put by actual developers complaining about developing
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jdp23
i said "a lot of people", not everybody :)
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shaners
jdp23 the reason we care optimize for people that are building their own website is from our experience with other efforts in the past that was distracted by a *lot* of talk by people talking a big game, but never actually building anything. it was all academic / hypothetical / pie in the sky. eg, microformats, federated web summit, rdf, xml*, html/css standards, etc
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erlehmann
shaners i *do* stuff
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shaners
i know you do.
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erlehmann
look at source of http://news.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/bin.atom
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shaners
i saw your website
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shaners
i'm not saying you don't
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erlehmann
hipster news 2 is a static blog engine that converts git repositories to feeds
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erlehmann
i use it for over a year
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erlehmann
now
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shaners
erlehmann: i know that you build stuff. i'm not saying you don't.
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KartikPrabhu_
previous post on something similar devs were comparing about https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/creator
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KartikPrabhu_
complaining
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shaners
i'm saying that the "login with your domain" tactic filters out people who won't build anything and will just talk.
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jdp23
shaners i understand. i'm just saying that in my experience, it also alienates people who would otherwise have a lot to contribute.
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KartikPrabhu_
contribute without having own domain?
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shaners
maybe so. everything is trade offs. this is the trade off that has been chosen for the iwc wiki.
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jdp23
i didn't say they don't have their domain
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shaners
a wiki about building websites
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KartikPrabhu_
just don't want to login with it?
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erlehmann
just don't want to login with commercial crapware
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shaners
erlehmann: then use SMS
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shaners
how many times have i suggested that now?
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KartikPrabhu_
the commercial point is moot as I pointed out
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erlehmann
the third-party point is not moot
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kylewm
you can also log in with PGP
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erlehmann
shaners if you want to exclude people who are annoyed by overly complex technology, by all means use.
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KartikPrabhu_
it is. run your own auth server
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erlehmann
kylewm that is something.
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snarfed
kylewm++
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Loqi
kylewm has 64 karma
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jdp23
jsut don't want to make the changes to enable the log in (the links to make indieauth happening) or run their own auth server (heck even i don't want to do that) or share their phone # etc
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erlehmann
kylewm i have a pgp key. what do i need to sign?
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shaners
erlehmann go to indieauth.com and read something
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KartikPrabhu_
jdp23 devs don't want to dev!
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kylewm
erlehmann: looking for the documentation, one sec
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KartikPrabhu_
anyway contribute by writing articles on your a
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shaners
https://indieauth.com/gpg
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erlehmann
i have it https://indieauth.com/gpg
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KartikPrabhu_
site
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jdp23
KartikPrabhu first of all they're not all devs. second of all even the ones who are don't necessarily want to do that specific dev
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erlehmann
i still find it obnoxious, but no more than a captcha
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kylewm
https://indieauth.com/gpg
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shaners
what is captcha?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "captcha" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=captcha
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kylewm
haha, third!
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KartikPrabhu_
jdp23 well if don't want to do it, then fine
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jdp23
right
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snarfed
do we send people to #indiechat for tech politics conversations yet?
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snarfed
if not, i vote we start :P
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KartikPrabhu_
me is just lolling at these objections
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jdp23
hmm, i wasn't seeing it as a tech politics conversation. i was seeing it as feedback from somebody who's having a hard time getting any of my friends interested enough in the community to participate
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erlehmann
does anyone think it is a bad idea to have my articles as html files?
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snarfed
jdp23: oh! sorry, i meant the "github and etc co's are evil" conversation, the "should you need a domain to sign in"
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jdp23
snarfed oh ok :)
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shaners
erlehmann please add yourself to /irc-people
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jdp23
and, i'm not trying to revisit the decision. i understand why that's the tradeoff
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erlehmann
shaners see, if you want that so much, you can do it yourself. you have all the data.
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snarfed
erlehmann: re html, actually the reverse, you're among friends for making that call. see http://indiewebcamp.com/databases-antipattern
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KartikPrabhu_
and his incredulous snark backs off slowly
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shaners
bret what're you working on these days?
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erlehmann
shaners i think you would have to kick people out if you wanted different behaviour
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@ckswarriorqueen
RT @anomalily: In my ideal world, very soon the code divas of @BlackGirlsCode will be AT #indiewebcamp building a more open web. <3 #DayOfT… (twtr.io/rhRcZoNmkL)
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erlehmann
identity politics detected
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shaners
erlehmann please keep this channel to discussion on topic about indieweb stuffs
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@jimgroom
@aaronpk @timmmmyboy Out of curiosity, what would define an app as an #Indieweb app? (twtr.io/rhSZEY5ps0)
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erlehmann
> app
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erlehmann
> web
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erlehmann
:D
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shaners
willowbl00 !
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shaners
stoked to see you getting involved with indieweb land. :D
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willowbl00
ohai - which Shaners are you?
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shaners
what is shaners?
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Loqi
Shane Becker is a co-founder of Hypernova which is making Homesteading http://indiewebcamp.com/Shaners
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shaners
@veganstraightedge and @farmhouse ;)
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obra
aaronpk_: is there a way to use pgp indieauth without hosting on keybase?
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aaronpk_
obra: yeah you just need to link to your key
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aaronpk_
i just happened to already have mine on keybase so i linked to that
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obra
I'd tried that...oh. SSL misconfig on the place I have hosted my key.
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aaronpk_
aha
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obra
it'd be awesome if indieauth bitched more loudly about that
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obra
but yay. now I'm getting challenges
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Loqi
does a happy dance!
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@aaronpk
@jimgroom @timmmmyboy an #indieweb app is one you can use to create content on your own website (http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/10/11/8/indieweb) (twtr.io/rhbE3PohA8)
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aaronpk_
obra: did it not say there was an ssl error?
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aaronpk_
I tried to catch those explicitly
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obra
it didn't.
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obra
let me go rebreak it
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obra
fsck.com/~jesse/pubkey.asc
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obra
This is not a supported authentication provider.
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obra
for <link href="https://fsck.com/~jesse/pubkey.asc" rel="pgpkey">
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aaronpk_
aw yeah. ssl error
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obra
(fixing it to https://s.ly and everything is happy)
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GWG
Evening.
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GWG
I have returned.
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GWG
snarfed: You about?
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snarfed
hey GWG
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GWG
snarfed: What's going on?
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snarfed
GWG: not much. you?
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snarfed
GWG: did you have a q for me?
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GWG
In a way.
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GWG
I've been thinking about you in trying to solve a problem.
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GWG
You are a WordPress user, but have traditionally adopted a minimalist approach
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snarfed
sure
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GWG
So, when do you cross out of minimalism in extending functionality?
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snarfed
that's pretty abstract. do you have an example in mind?
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GWG
I'm working on refining some of the plugins I've been working on.
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GWG
Which means adding complexity.
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snarfed
got it
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GWG
I'm trying to figure out how to keep things simple while refining them.
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GWG
And adding more to them.
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snarfed
eh. don't overthink it. keep scratching your own itches until you run out of them
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GWG
The other reason I thought of you was because this is the plugin that makes Bridgy work.
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snarfed
ah!
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snarfed
it adds u-syndication links?
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GWG
snarfed: Exactly.
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GWG
I'm rewriting it to allow one to remove links to sites they don't use.
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