#indiewebcamp 2014-12-01

2014-12-01 UTC
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thedod howdy
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wowaname h
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snarfed thedod: nice work on bookmarklets! just as another example, here are the ones i use w/wordpress: https://snarfed.org/indieweb-press-this-bookmarklets-for-wordpress
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@BirminghamIO Vouching for webmentions; hashing for vouches by sil http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2014/11/30/vouching-for-webmentions-hashing-for-vouches/ #PlanetBirmingham (twitter.com/_/status/539210297803030528)
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thedod snarfed, thanks. webmentioned it :)
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@TheRealDod A bookmarklet by @schnarfed for #indiewebcamp WP sites. https://dubiousdod.org/indie/2014/12/a-bookmarklet-by-snarfed-for-indieweb-wp-sites-could (twitter.com/_/status/539211522418147329)
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snarfed hey aaronpk, while you're here…i started to work on parsing bridgy wms in wm.io, but got stuck on trying to compile one of the deps. evidently mac os x (yosemite)'s libxml2 is incompatible. :/ http://stackoverflow.com/questions/20340412
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snarfed i won't make you debug for me, but afaik you're on mac too, right? any high level tips on getting the stack set up?
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aaronpk huh weird. it just worked for me
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aaronpk oh wait yosemite? is that the new thing?
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aaronpk i'm still on 10.9
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aaronpk i can't remember all the names
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aaronpk huh well I was considering upgrading my computer this week, but I guess I'll keep putting that off
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snarfed iirc it's not yos-specific. i think i checked the libxml2 version on mavericks and it was the same
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aaronpk well i'm using ruby 1.9.3p448 if that makes a difference
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snarfed thanks. i think this was compiling a native lib that used libxml2, so probably not, but meh
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snarfed thanks anyway
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aaronpk weird. I just did a bundle update on it today too and worked fine
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GWG snarfed: Do you moderate all comments to your site? Even ones from Bridgy?
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snarfed1 GWG: oh hell no. i don't moderate anything
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snarfed1 moderation--
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Loqi moderation has -1 karma
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aquarius laughs
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KartikPrabhu snarfed1: do you read the comments you get?
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snarfed1 KartikPrabhu: yes
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KartikPrabhu and if they are spam or malicious you delete them?
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: spam filters catch pretty much all spam (akismet for a long time, then recently switch to a JS one)
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KartikPrabhu no but if they miss what would you do?
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: sure, delete
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KartikPrabhu hmm so that would be moderation no?
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: shades of gray matter. i get 10ks of (attempted) spam comments per day
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KartikPrabhu my point is, unless you 100% trust the algorithms to be air-tight you will moderate because it is your site and you care for the content on it
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snarfed moderating that, raw, vs moderating one false positive per week or so, are qualititatively different
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KartikPrabhu agreed :)
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KartikPrabhu do these alogrithms ever catch a false positive?
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snarfed of course!
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snarfed nothing's perfect
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KartikPrabhu hmm well then how do you correct that?
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snarfed eh, some i hear about via other channels, some slips through
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snarfed i don't lose sleep over it
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KartikPrabhu got it
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@linuxsidareja @planetubuntu: Stuart Langridge: Vouching for webmentions; hashing for vouches http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2014/11/30/vouching-for-webmentions-hashing-for-vouches/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_term=Planet+Ubuntu&utm_source=twitterfeed #arsipweb (twitter.com/_/status/539217313241645057)
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KartikPrabhu well i suppose I don't get enough spam to worry about all this
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: nice problem to have!
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snarfed and you're right of course, spam filters are imperfect
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snarfed the tradeoff for allowing native comments is, you get more ham *and* more spam
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snarfed up to each of us to decide on that tradeoff for ourselves
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KartikPrabhu true.
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snarfed but just as one data point, even on WP, the biggest spam comment target, i've never considered spam a problem
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GWG snarfed: I was thinking of creating a simple 5 line plugin to whitelist inbounds from Bridgy
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aaronpk snarfed: I would love to see what happens if you take aquarius' suggestion of renaming your wordpress xmlrpc endpoint and updating your pingback tag and see if spam drops dramatically
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snarfed since akismet was great - literally over 99.998% hit rate, against 10-50k spam comments per day - and the JS one is great too
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GWG aaronpk: I would too, actually.
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GWG snarfed: Which one is the JS one?
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snarfed aaronpk: oh i know it would. i see plenty of blind probes to those endpoints on entirely non-WP sites
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snarfed GWG: looking
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GWG snarfed: So, why doesn't anyone do it?
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snarfed GWG: some people do. akismet etc are good enough for most
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snarfed and i think xml-rpc is disabled by default now…?
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GWG snarfed: Nope.
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GWG snarfed: It is enabled by default. The option was removed to disable it
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snarfed GWG: you're sure?
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snarfed well, you can still disable it in wp-config.php. but in the UI, ok
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snarfed GWG: JS spam filter is https://wordpress.org/plugins/stop-spam-comments/
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aaronpk so if that's the case, then it would seem that the biggest fault of wordpress pingback spam is not actually pingback, but the wordpress monoculture
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snarfed GWG: obvious tradeoff is people w/o JS can't comment. but that's such a small population, and the reduced load was big enough, i went with it
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snarfed aaronpk: maybe. but again, for current WP installs with akismet, i'm really not convinced spam is a problem for the average user
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snarfed maybe not updating is the bigger problem
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snarfed which is solved-ish now with core auto-update. (plugins soon too)
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GWG snarfed: You can enable plugin auto-update now
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snarfed GWG: oh yeah? cool!
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GWG http://codex.wordpress.org/Configuring_Automatic_Background_Updates
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GWG https://wordpress.org/plugins/automatic-updater/ - If you want a plugin that es it
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GWG I've never tried the plugin though
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GWG I'm nervous about plugin updates because they aren't as vetted though.
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GWG With my XMLRPC connection, I'm more worried about it being used in a DDOS than my own SPAM. I'm pretty set right now
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owen1 aaronpk: indieauth doesn't let me login to indiewebcamp. it might be related to the fact that my website only uses PGP as a way to valiate myself.
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aaronpk owen1: what's your website?
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owen1 http://gamelanguage.com/
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owen1 i am able to succesfully authenticate against indieauth, but i am not logged in to indiewebcamp.
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aaronpk oh strange, hmm
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aaronpk I wonder if it's a wiki bug... can you try logging in starting with the https site? https://indiewebcamp.com/
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owen1 sure
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owen1 i am here: https://indieauth.com/success and i see "You Successfully Authenticated!"
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owen1 but if i go to http://indiewebcamp.com/ i am not loggedin
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aaronpk that's odd...
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owen1 is there another site i can try it?
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aaronpk when you're on the indieauth screen where you choose GPG do you see at the bottom "You will be redirect to..."?
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owen1 yup - https://indiewebcamp.com/Special:IndieAuth?returnto=
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aaronpk that's odd
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aaronpk and you're clicking the "sign in" link on the wiki page?
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owen1 yup
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owen1 log in
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owen1 login is the same as sign in - https://indiewebcamp.com/Special:UserLogin
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aaronpk when you sign in to the wiki you should be getting this URL: https://indieauth.com/auth?me=gamelanguage.com&redirect_uri=https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2FSpecial%3AIndieAuth%3Freturnto%3D&client_id=https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com
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aaronpk if you click that, can you sign in to the wiki?
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owen1 are u talking about the url where i see 'You Successfully Authenticated!' ?
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owen1 https://indieauth.com/success?code=<long string>&me=http%3A%2F%2Fgamelanguage.com&state=
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owen1 that's the url i am send to ^
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owen1 and if i click your url it ask me to sign the challenge
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aaronpk ok but you see the page with the challenge when you sign in from here right? https://indiewebcamp.com/Special:UserLogin
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owen1 aaronpk: yup
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owen1 i sign it and get redirected to https://indieauth.com/success?code=<long string>&me=http%3A%2F%2Fgamelanguage.com&state=
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aaronpk do you have anything blocking cookies or something?
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owen1 than i click on the link to go to the wiki but i am not logged in
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owen1 let me see my chromium settings
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owen1 Allow local data to be set (reommended). it's checked.
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aaronpk what happens if you try to sign in to my website? aaronparecki.com
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owen1 i got redirected to the same place - https://indieauth.com/success?code=<long string>&me=http%3A%2F%2Fgamelanguage.com&state= when i go to your site again i still see the login form at the bottom.
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owen1 so i assume it did'n log me in
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aaronpk I'm super confused. it's just not redirecting back to the site you're signing in to, so the site can't finish signing in
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owen1 yup
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aaronpk the redirect URI is stored in a cookie between pages
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owen1 oh. let me observe that cookie
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aaronpk actually I think it's set in a server-side session, but uses a cookie
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owen1 first cookie i see is 6 cookies from indeiauth.com
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owen1 here are they: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9323087/ i am here, about to sign the challenge: https://indieauth.com/auth?me=gamelanguage.com&redirect_uri=https%3A%2F%2Faaronparecki.com%2Fsignin.php%3Fredirect%3D%252F
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aaronpk ok let me poke at this for a while
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owen1 got redirected to /success and here are the cookies: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9323133/
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owen1 same number of cookies, content a bit different
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owen1 aaronpk: thanks!
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owen1 i love the idea of signining in to a website with rsa keys
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owen1 not sure what are the security implications
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tantek.com edited /Vouch (+87) "/* In Progress */ add inline here instead of on my user page" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /User:Tantek.com (-58) "/* working on */ move vouch documentation specifics to vouch page" (view diff)
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aaronpk wow there's over 100 people who are using indieauth.com with a TOTP key
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GWG aaronpk: It's the only way I can get in till that bugfix comes through.
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aaronpk oh yeah
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aaronpk so annoying
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aaronpk do we have a small reproducable test case that I can try out periodically?
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GWG aaronpk: What's next? FIDO U2F? Yubikey?
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GWG aaronpk: I think I'm monitoring the issue.
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aaronpk I have a U2F thingy which I want to integrate
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aaronpk but I want to use it for actual two-factor auth, not as a primary auth mechanism
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GWG What other authentication options might be a possibility?
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GWG aaronpk: Did you ever consider client certificates as an option?
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aaronpk that'd be neat
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GWG aaronpk: ACME is promising
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aaronpk GWG: do you have the link to that ruby bug?
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GWG https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/10533
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aaronpk looks like it was backported to ruby 2.0.0
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aaronpk does that mean it's not gonna make it to 1.9.3?
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GWG Quite possibly not. I'm not sure.
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GWG I should thank ben_thatmustbeme for filing it though
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Loqi definitely
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aaronpk welp. guess it's time to update all my ruby apps to ruby 2.0 and get off 1.9.3
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GWG aaronpk: I feel bad for being the bearer of problems.
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aaronpk nah it's cool
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GWG I've been using TOTP on my LG G Watch.
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GWG I prefer the Pebble though.
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KartikPrabhu OMS google+ sucks
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GWG KartikPrabhu: What's wrog?
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GWG aaronpk: I mentioned the watch as I recalled you authenticate using the Pebble.
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aaronpk yes! I enjoy that one quite a bit
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GWG I got a Refurbed G Watch for comparison.
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GWG Mobile note creation is still an issue for me, so I experiment
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tantek_ what is note creation?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "note creation" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=note+creation
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tantek.com edited /create (+38) "notes in particular" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /create (+302) "note mobile issues based on anecdata" (view diff)
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tantek_ what is mobile note creation
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "mobile note creation" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=mobile+note+creation
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tantek_ GWG, I encourage you to add your mobile note creation issues to http://indiewebcamp.com/create#Mobile
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tantek_ What is Google+?
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Loqi Google is primarily used for searching the open web, but also hosts a number of content silos: http://indiewebcamp.com/Google
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wolftune tantek_: since you're around, quick promotion: We're now running a get-launched fund-drive for Snowdrift.coop! See snowdrift.tilt.com
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tantek.com edited /Special:Log/move () "moved [[Google+]] to [[Google Plus]] over redirect: wikilinking Google+ seems to have issues sometimes" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /G+ (+4) "-r" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Google (+12) "fix wikilink" (view diff)
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tantek_ !tell KartikPrabhu could you add the problems you're encountering with Google+ to http://indiewebcamp.com/Google_Plus#Issues ? Thanks!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KartikPrabhu tantek_: yes I will. but first on my own site as a post
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Loqi KartikPrabhu: tantek_ left you a message 42 seconds ago: could you add the problems you're encountering with Google+ to http://indiewebcamp.com/Google_Plus#Issues ? Thanks!
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cweiske !tell tantek, why did you highlight "They were quite inefficient" but not the following "old scripts" in http://indiewebcamp.com/feed#HubMed ?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@HealthEugene Earned $2.47 last month with @DataCoup - sweet!! #ownyourdata (twitter.com/_/status/539329770014900224)
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@siewlee1803 RT @HealthEugene: Earned $2.47 last month with @DataCoup - sweet!! #ownyourdata (twitter.com/_/status/539331105082863616)
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@xtof_fr Le #rouleau original de @crouzet sur la route #indieweb ! > http://blog.tcrouzet.com/2014/12/01/les-reseaux-sociaux-ont-confisque-la-metaphore-du-blog/ (twitter.com/_/status/539348554368548864)
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petermolnar good morning indieweb; is there anyone around who's posting images to 500px from their site? ( the basic question is: is it doable? )
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cweiske petermolnar,
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cweiske https://github.com/500px/api-documentation/blob/master/endpoints/photo/POST_photos_upload.md
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petermolnar thanks cweiske; I've seen this but I was wondering if anyone tested it yet
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@inautilo TECH: Enabling Webmentions · The inventor of Pingback jumps on the Webmention bandwaggon http://inautilo.com/story?skey=2wx98 by @sil #reviews (twitter.com/_/status/539383468292317184)
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KartikPrabhu Loqi: playback
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Loqi is done
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ben_thatmustbeme !tell arronpk, GWG I don't think they are going to backport that fix back to 1.9.3 it looks like only 2.0 on
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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elf-pavlik !tell tantek : evanpro asked if someone could present MicroPub during Social WG telecon tomorrow: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-socialweb/2014Dec/0000.html
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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elf-pavlik aaronpk, ^
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elf-pavlik BTW Loqi doesn't stay on/log any more #social & #socialig
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@film_girl Hey Cyber Monday fans, don’t forget about the Good Web Bundle for indieweb goodness. https://goodwebbundle.com (twitter.com/_/status/539444840891957250)
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@RealDarrenCohen RT @film_girl: Hey Cyber Monday fans, don’t forget about the Good Web Bundle for indieweb goodness. https://goodwebbundle.com (twitter.com/_/status/539445020789854208)
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@jeffliwag RT @film_girl: Hey Cyber Monday fans, don’t forget about the Good Web Bundle for indieweb goodness. https://goodwebbundle.com (twitter.com/_/status/539445925362429952)
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@anildash RT @film_girl: Hey Cyber Monday fans, don’t forget about the Good Web Bundle for indieweb goodness. https://goodwebbundle.com (twitter.com/_/status/539445943968747520)
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@thoddyapp RT @film_girl: Hey Cyber Monday fans, don’t forget about the Good Web Bundle for indieweb goodness. https://goodwebbundle.com (twitter.com/_/status/539446977134854146)
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@GeoT101 RT @film_girl: Hey Cyber Monday fans, don’t forget about the Good Web Bundle for indieweb goodness. https://goodwebbundle.com (twitter.com/_/status/539448859491966976)
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@digisim #ccourses formal activity will be coming to an end soon. But it will live on in many guises. The #indieweb is here: http://connectedcourses.net/event/unit-6-class-2-connecting-to-the-indieweb-movement/ (twitter.com/_/status/539455340178571264)
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@JohnCovington01 RT @film_girl: Hey Cyber Monday fans, don’t forget about the Good Web Bundle for indieweb goodness. https://goodwebbundle.com (twitter.com/_/status/539459025054605313)
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@N7IRL RT @film_girl: Hey Cyber Monday fans, don’t forget about the Good Web Bundle for indieweb goodness. https://goodwebbundle.com (twitter.com/_/status/539468375655596033)
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aaronpk elf-pavlik: thanks. fixing Loqi now
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Loqi :)
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aaronpk well that was unexpected. clicked a hackernews article "an automatic email endpoint for any domain" and was surprised to see it mentions webmention and indieauth!
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aaronpk http://questo.email/mail-to-web
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aaronpk congrats on making the hackernews front page fiatjaf!
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sh4l In case, you've not seen this one: https://hacksummit.org
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davidmead taking the plunge and starting the process today of moving away from WP and using a self-hosted version of Known for my main blog
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davidmead i’m sure you’ll all be sick of my questions by the time i’m finished ;-)
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aaronpk exciting!
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davidmead @aaronpk yup :-)
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davidmead i had an email exchange with ben and i think i can everything from my withknown sub-domain i’ve been trying out exported along with with my current WP blog and pull them all into the new blog.davidjohnmead.com
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@ksgant RT @film_girl: Hey Cyber Monday fans, don’t forget about the Good Web Bundle for indieweb goodness. https://goodwebbundle.com (twitter.com/_/status/539480377396457472)
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@kevinmarks » @fredwilson: AVC's Creative Commons License http://avc.com/2014/12/avcs-creative-commons-license/ « CC license as extended POSSE? http://Indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/539481650816507906)
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@kevinmarks @Suw I'm not trying to be a dick here, but to work out the conceptual boundary. Is http://www.kevinmarks.com/fragmentions.html a page? Is http://indiewebcamp.com/fragmention (twitter.com/_/status/539485181883596802)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/kevinmarks/539485181883596802/539485885947858944 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/fragmention (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/kevinmarks/539485181883596802/539485848228483072 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/fragmention (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/kevinmarks/539485181883596802/539485410968485888 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/fragmention (webmention)
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@LUCIA_Japan_Inc site-deaths - IndieWebCamp #API #App #WordPress #jQuery #Javascript #html5 #Follow #webstagram http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths (twitter.com/_/status/539488117581836288)
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KevinMarks_ Posts vs pages is an interest distinction
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sparverius i always thought of a page as being a set of information that is prone to change and updates
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sparverius while a post is a one time piece of information that may be updated with fixes but not much more, and that recieves major updates with delta posts that you chain by a tagging system
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sparverius basically, like twitter, or blogging about your life
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sparverius "yesterday, i mentioned that xyz happened, well today more happened"
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sparverius !whatis page
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sparverius i forgot how to use the bot :/
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@Stolen_Souls https://indieauth.com/ looks pretty interesting, if you ignore the XSS attacks in their URL-passing. (twitter.com/_/status/539490954999508992)
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@TheRealDod After 2 years, https://dubiousdod.org is at last #NoScript friendly. Thanks for the heads up, @t. I'll add some #IndieWebCamp markup soon (twitter.com/_/status/539492712106696704)
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thedod o/
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aaronpk i should make !whatis do the thing too
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Loqi fo sho
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aaronpk funny how some people expect to have to explicitly request
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aaronpk what is a page?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "page" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=page
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KevinMarks_ Should pages accept webmentions?
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snarfed KevinMarks_: probably an individual decision, but imho yes. mine do.
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@DigestWordpress RT @LUCIA_Japan_Inc: site-deaths - IndieWebCamp #API #App #WordPress #jQuery #Javascript #html5 #Follow #webstagram http://t.… (twitter.com/_/status/539497663759003648)
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@js_digest RT @LUCIA_Japan_Inc: site-deaths - IndieWebCamp #API #App #WordPress #jQuery #Javascript #html5 #Follow #webstagram http://t.… (twitter.com/_/status/539498697802153984)
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KevinMarks_ http://known.kevinmarks.com/2014/can-known-be-used-as-a-forum not currently, apparently
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KartikPrabhu i don't see the difference between known and a forum
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KartikPrabhu or at least is purely psychological inertia
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snarfed my favorite writeup on this is http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/BuildingCommunitieswithSo.html . worth reading.
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KartikPrabhu looks interesting. tabbed for later reading
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aaronpk interesting, someone described how to use bittorrent sync for private messaging http://missiv.es/
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aaronpk I suspect the ind.ie thing will be a similar mechanism, but more abstracted
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@maymaymx @TopherMade @glassbottommeg Speaking of, if new to you, read about Web POSSE: http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE That's what Tumblr Crosspostr is doing. (twitter.com/_/status/539526797390786560)
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sparverius aaronpk: thank you :/
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sparverius what is a post
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Loqi post can refer to either: http://indiewebcamp.com/post
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sparverius a post is a test
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sparverius what is a post
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Loqi post can refer to either: http://indiewebcamp.com/post
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sparverius so i guess it's tied to the wiki huh? let me update that page
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sparverius what is a post
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Loqi A post is either a piece of content or the act of publishing that content (usually in a way that is shared) http://indiewebcamp.com/post
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@LUCIA_Japan_Inc RT @t: @sil welcome! As inventor of #pingback your support is a huge milestone for #webmention. Let's see how soon this ... http://t.co/LzI… (twitter.com/_/status/539529373448040448)
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Loqi [mention] http://hitechnews.mobi/stuart-langridge-vouching-for-webmentions-hashing-for-vouches/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Webmention (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://hitechnews.mobi/stuart-langridge-vouching-for-webmentions-hashing-for-vouches/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Vouch (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://hitechnews.mobi/stuart-langridge-vouching-for-webmentions-hashing-for-vouches/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-11-29#t1417292682908 (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://hitechnews.mobi/stuart-langridge-vouching-for-webmentions-hashing-for-vouches/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/IRC (pingback)
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fiatjaf thank you aaronpk for noting that I stayed in the front page! (even if it was for just 10 minutes)
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fiatjaf shouldn't we differ between webmentions that are responses to some article (like comments, or very big comments) and webmentions that just happen to mention it? some webmention sections seem totally nonsensical, like www.kevinmarks.com/fragmentions.html
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aaronpk that's more a job for comments display, not webmention
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aaronpk http://indiewebcamp.com/mention vs http://indiewebcamp.com/reply for example
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fiatjaf right, the distinction already exists.
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KevinMarks fair point- I was using that as an example of a "page" in a comment
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fiatjaf formally.
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KevinMarks but brid.gy still assumes that me tweeting a link is POSSE and so hides my tweet, making the thread obscure
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fiatjaf KevinMarks: I know that, but only because I clicked in the tweets :P
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snarfed see https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/51 for more long-running discussion/debate on this topic (and links to even more)
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KevinMarks if you had the time heuristic, that would make more sense
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KevinMarks but supressing https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/539485181883596802 because I linked to it means the context is uncler
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@kevinmarks @Suw I'm not trying to be a dick here, but to work out the conceptual boundary. Is http://www.kevinmarks.com/fragmentions.html a page? Is http://indiewebcamp.com/fragmention (twitter.com/_/status/539485181883596802)
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snarfed KevinMarks: agreed, http://indiewebcamp.com/original-post-discovery#24hr_mitigation
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KevinMarks I should run my own instance of webmention.herokuapp.com and clean up the broken ones
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Loqi I agree
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bret PS safari strips ## from urls
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KevinMarks I need to edit the spec to be # rather than ## don't I
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aaronpk without some sort of additional marker, that breaks the ability to fragmention a single word, right?
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KevinMarks not necessarily - only if it collides with an id and you don't add a leading or trailing space
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KevinMarks also, mentioning single words is silly on the whole
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aaronpk I've been finding myself linking to fragmentions of single-word section headers that may or may not have an ID
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bret lol
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bret quicker than view source
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KevinMarks if the ID matches the word, it will still work though
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aaronpk not if there's a table of contents at the top
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KevinMarks well, that won't work anyway
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bret KevinMarks: you can type or paste the fragmentation into safari, but it strips it from href links when you click on them
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KevinMarks TOC is rather fragmention hostile, yes
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@kevinmarks “We’ve set up a Wiki, called the File Formats Wiki.” - @textfiles #indieweb http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/4445 (twitter.com/_/status/539550349183291392)
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@breizh2008 RT @kevinmarks: “We’ve set up a Wiki, called the File Formats Wiki.” - @textfiles #indieweb http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/4445 (twitter.com/_/status/539553303181660161)
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JonathanNeal Why would anyone be fragmention hostile, KevinMarks?