#indiewebcamp 2014-12-21

2014-12-21 UTC
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@outilslibres RT @pierreozoux: Until tomorrow, @indiehosters will help @laquadrature. For every #indieweb pack, we'll give 5€, and for every stickers, 1€… (twitter.com/_/status/546462951772016643)
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Loqi Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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GWG Another Saturday night
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@Nyssen11 RT @IndieHosters: 37 hours left to be part of the #IndieWeb with an IndieHoster :) At a #discount price ;) Be part of the indieweb at https… (twitter.com/_/status/546488311599333376)
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@mshook Known Office Hours - YouTube https://www.youtube.com/ #indieweb #video #question #december #2014 #known #withknown (twitter.com/_/status/546504964751622145)
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prtksxna Do you guys use the normal comment interface on blogs that don't support webmentions? Do you also post the same comment on your blog? How does this work?
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GWG prtksxna: Welcome back
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prtksxna GWG: o/
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KartikPrabhu prtksxna: I have done that in the past. see latest example: https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/wikis-dont-lie
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prtksxna KartikPrabhu: Ah! So you manually posted twice?
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KartikPrabhu yes.
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KartikPrabhu I first posted on my site then copy-posted to yours
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GWG But, you can reply to anything on your site.
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prtksxna Hm. And this is a "note" and not an "article"?
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KartikPrabhu yup
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KartikPrabhu what is note?
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Loqi A note is a post that is typically short unstructured* plain text, written & posted quickly, that has its own permalink page https://indiewebcamp.com/note
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prtksxna So people subscribed to your RSS don't see it?
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KartikPrabhu what is article?
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Loqi An article is a kind of post that typically has more structure than a simple note https://indiewebcamp.com/article
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KartikPrabhu prtksxna: that is not the reason. I just don't have an RSS of notes that's all
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prtksxna Yup, I've read those. I am still unsure of what shows up in the RSS.
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prtksxna Oh ok
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GWG prtksxna: Isn't that your decision?
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GWG You can have more than one feed.
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prtksxna So both *should* show up? Or should I maintain two feeds?
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KartikPrabhu prtksxna: you can have separate RSS feeds for all post types
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prtksxna GWG: Hm. I am just trying to grasp what the usual approach is.
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KartikPrabhu prtksxna: ideally, an indie-reader ( read modern reader ) should just parse microfirmats from your site HTML and no need for separate RSS feeds
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KartikPrabhu what is reader?
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Loqi A reader (or indie reader) in the context of the indieweb is the portion/feature integrated into an indieweb site that provides a way to read content from other indieweb sites, possibly including posts from the current site as well https://indiewebcamp.com/reader
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prtksxna Ah, but RSS still seems like the right way to consume things. I mean…isn't it more complicated for an mf reader to paginate and stuff?
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GWG prtksxna: It is an established way to do it. Right is a judgment.
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prtksxna GWG: I see your point. Are there any readers that read mf instead of rss?
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prtksxna Is there something wrong with RSS that one should switch to an mf reader/
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GWG Maturity has its advantages
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KartikPrabhu prtksxna: well RSS is superseded by Atom anyway. but mainly why maintain 2 formats with same stuff in it?
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KartikPrabhu also see: https://indiewebcamp.com/reader#IndieWeb_examples
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GWG KartikPrabhu: I have a good reason.
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KartikPrabhu ok shoot
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GWG I use WordPress. It does it for me. I wouldn't implement the feature on my own.
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prtksxna Ah, I see a mf plugin for selfoss
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KartikPrabhu ok sure but that is like saying "I can post on Twitter. it does it for me"
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KartikPrabhu the whole point of indieweb is not that
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KartikPrabhu also if you want to maintain 2 formats for content... go ahead
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GWG KartikPrabhu: I agree with that.
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GWG I work on features for myself. But sometimes, using other people's code is necessary.
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KartikPrabhu GWG: prtksxna: I think of RSS and Atom as stop gaps likeTwitter and G+ that I tolerate but want to not have
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GWG I also implemented h-feed, even though I myself can't use it. I know Shrewdness is polling my site.
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KartikPrabhu prtksxna: to elaborate; I don't have a notes feed because I anticipate moving away from RSS feeds myself. I'll soon remove even the RSS for Articles and keep the Atom for friends who do use it
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KartikPrabhu feeds have given me trouble in the past
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prtksxna So just keep your markup semantic and not worry about anything else and wait for readers to catch up?
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KartikPrabhu prtksxna: again, you should feel free to use anything that works now and not be too idealistic
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prtksxna I wonder if Feedly already supports this.
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KartikPrabhu nope. checked
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GWG prtksxna: I concur with KartikPrabhu. We all want to live in an ideal world. But you can't force the world to.
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GWG KartikPrabhu: Don't even suggest it to the guy who runs TT-RSS.
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GWG I like this group because one of the principles is to do what I want, but interface to what other people are doing.
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KartikPrabhu <shrug> I have stopped suggesting people to scratch my itches. never worked
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GWG I can live in the future and take them with me
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prtksxna I understand. Thanks KartikPrabhu GWG!
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KartikPrabhu ruh roh
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prtksxna What do you guys work on full-time? GWG KartikPrabhu ?
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KartikPrabhu prtksxna: mathematical physics :P
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tantek prtksxna: RSS and Atom are also both feed files, which are an example of the sidefile antipattern.
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tantek we're in a bit of a transitionary state at the moment, moving away from sidefiles to just using h-feed in the already visible HTML.
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GWG prtksxna: I teach other people.
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prtksxna KartikPrabhu: Whoa!
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prtksxna GWG: That is nice :)
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KartikPrabhu also for the record. bridgy uses a more indieweb approach to Feeds to do POSSE-post-discovery
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prtksxna tantek: I understand, I think I too will continue to support both. Using wordpress I don't really need to do anything extra for RSS.
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tantek prtksxna: yes that makes sense since it's both easy and we're still in transition.
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prtksxna KartikPrabhu: Bridgy uses hooks from 3rd party applications right?
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tantek for the same reason I still support a legacy Atom feed file on my site
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tantek though it is a subset of what is on my home page
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KartikPrabhu prtksxna: it uses silo APIs yes. but the particular feature I'm talking about is finding your original post from a Twitter copy for example
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KartikPrabhu What is POSSE-post-discovery?
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Loqi POSSE-Post-Discovery is a way to find the canonical version of a post when a syndicated copy does not contain a link to the original https://indiewebcamp.com/posse-post-discovery
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prtksxna POSSE and Backfeeds confuse me a little. I don't want to think about them till I have fixed the rest of the things on my blog :)
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KartikPrabhu prtksxna: yes. start with posting notes. you already do actually. then POSSE them manually for a while and then automate it
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prtksxna I'll start using a simple Social plugin on WP to post them to twitter.
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GWG prtksxna: If my experience of this week is any indication, you will never fix everything
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GWG Because there is always something new.
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GWG But that's part of the fun of it
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prtksxna Right, by everything I meant, everything that I have understood till now, which is mainly Webmentions and using mf
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KartikPrabhu prtksxna: on second thoughts, maybe start by using mf2 on your site and marking it up. Maybe rel-me links so you can use Indieauth and log in to the wiki
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prtksxna Yes, and IndieAuth too!
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KartikPrabhu this is a good guide: http://indiewebify.me/
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prtksxna Yes, sir!
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KartikPrabhu prtksxna: a good goal would be to login and add yourself to /irc-people
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prtksxna Yup.
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GWG I really need to fix that icon thing on there
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KartikPrabhu tantek: about Falcon storage: does Falcon have a CRUD type API/functions to do things? And is that a good idea in general for file-storage type systems?
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tantek KartikPrabhu: create and read yes, parameterized to minimize file operations. updates are very limited - to POSSE / syndication information. deletes are handled manually.
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tantek best way to figure out an API for your storage system (whether file-based or other), is to build the UI you want, figure out what storage calls it would be easiest for it to make, and then design the API accordingly.
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KartikPrabhu tantek: maybe documenting that on the wiki so future file-storages (like mine) can learn about it :D
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KartikPrabhu i am planning to start with just Create and Read since they are easiest and often used
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Loqi [mention] https://david.shanske.com/articles/2014/12/21/problem-future-mentions/ posted 'My involvement with the Indiewebcamp movement continues, and I want to encourage what is possible. One of the building blocks of Indiewebc...' linking to https://indiewebcamp.com/webmention
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GWG That extracted more than I expected.
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tantek KartikPrabhu: yes, it makes sense to start with Create and Read.
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neuro` Good morning.
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GWG Good morning, neuro`
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KartikPrabhu morning neuro`
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KartikPrabhu neuro`: do you have a 2015-01-01 commitment? https://indiewebcamp.com/2015-01-01-commitments
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neuro` KartikPrabhu: great idea, this should push me to add favs to Publify, been on our TODO for 2 years.
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KartikPrabhu of course not my idea :)
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GWG https://tiny.n9n.us/2014/04/26/favoriting-the-post/
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GWG Anyone?
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KartikPrabhu GWG: that quote does not exist in the linked URL
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GWG It doesn't. But I'm working on the design
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GWG It was a glitch from a previous set of code
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neuro` Notice: Undefined index: path in /srv/html/tiny.n9n.us/wp-content/plugins/hcardtools/Mf2/Functions.php on line 201
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GWG I know about that
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GWG I'm working on the design.
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neuro` which is clean
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KartikPrabhu I can't find the post that has that quote thought
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KartikPrabhu s/sthought/though
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KartikPrabhu bleh
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GWG There. Quote removed.
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GWG Either way, I wasn't testing the quotation anyway.
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GWG I was testing the presentation of the rest.
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KartikPrabhu oh.
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GWG The quote, by the way, was from this...
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GWG http://datahiveconsulting.com/2014/04/10/indiewebify-me-and-the-knowledge-gap/
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GWG That annoying story that kept popping up
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KartikPrabhu GWG: can't say. just "I favourited this" never seems to cut it for me. I always write something about the post
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GWG KartikPrabhu: This is my test site.
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GWG I'm testing the presentation above I Favorited This.
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KartikPrabhu lgtm
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GWG The I Favorited This is part of the test
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GWG LGTM?
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GWG I'm trying to improve my reply context.
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KartikPrabhu looks good to me
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GWG Oh
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GWG Nicer than the old version, I suppose.
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KevinMarks_ You could say "I favour this"
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GWG I think you are all being too literal here.
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GWG https://tiny.n9n.us/2014/04/26/favoriting-the-post/
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GWG Better?
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@pierreozoux Last day people asked me, "what do you do in life"; "I am a local producer of organic Internet Services :)" Get your organic #IndieWeb :) (twitter.com/_/status/546587852755451904)
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@IndieHosters Don't forget, until tonight, every #IndieWeb pack and #Stickers we'll give back a part to @laquadrature <3 https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/indiehosters (twitter.com/_/status/546602191390527488)
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@pierreozoux RT @IndieHosters: Don't forget, until tonight, every #IndieWeb pack and #Stickers we'll give back a part to @laquadrature <3 http://t.co/is… (twitter.com/_/status/546602210100920320)
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@mistic100 RT @piwigo: Need a an idea for a Christmas present? Offer a http://Piwigo.com gift code http://piwigo.com/gift #indieweb #privacy #pho… (twitter.com/_/status/546635517740457986)
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@plegall RT @piwigo: Need a an idea for a Christmas present? Offer a http://Piwigo.com gift code http://piwigo.com/gift #indieweb #privacy #pho… (twitter.com/_/status/546635751589691392)
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@juanjosebellas Movimiento IndieWeb Una nueva tendencia en la web. Publica en tu página, enlaza con cualquiera. El contenido te... http://miweb.com/miidea (twitter.com/_/status/546689499334729729)
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GWG Good morning, tantek
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GWG It seems we've hit the Spanish market.
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eliemichel ben_thatmustbeme: Testing known, and wondering whether there is some way to see whenever a post is webmentionned
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tantek GWG - Italian
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GWG Oh
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tantek and good morning to you too!
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GWG I don't speak either, admittedly.
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GWG Although I have a new co-worker who teaches Italian, German, and Turkish, I haven't taken advantage.
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eliemichel GWG: I think you were right about Spain
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GWG Possibly
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eliemichel But why such a Loqi mention tempest?
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GWG Different sources
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GWG What is the best way to make the code readable when you are assembling long strings of dynamic content?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "best way to make the code readable when you are assembling long strings of dynamic content" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=best+way+to+make+the+code+readable+when+you+are+assembling+long+strings+of+dynamic+content
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eliemichel GWG: which language?
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GWG php
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GWG I'm thinking of breaking it up into some functions
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eliemichel I would use
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eliemichel …
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GWG That is what it looks like
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GWG It's just a lot of .= lines
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GWG The lines just keep getting longer though
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eliemichel The second one looks good for me
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GWG The second what?
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eliemichel not to repeat `$foo .=`
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GWG My code, which looks like that, works. I just want to make it easier to work with.
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eliemichel What do you want to be easily sustainable in that code?
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GWG Well, the code generates reply contexts. I was thinking of breaking it into pieces/functions
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eliemichel Maybe you look for some templating system
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GWG I think I may write it myself
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: hey are you able to fetch 'https://aaronparecki.com/images/aaronpk.png' with Python Requests?
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GWG kylewm: Do you have any suggestions on this?
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eliemichel Sometime I use RainTPL for templating
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kylewm GWG: I think it's a botfarm promoting that article
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GWG kylewm: I meant...good ways to program generating dynamic text..
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GWG In this case...reply contexts
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@alterhumaniste RT @IndieHosters: Last hours to get your #indieweb hosting with us! https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/indiehosters We'll be delighted to have you onboard for the … (twitter.com/_/status/546728940598210560)
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kylewm GWG: oh, I don't know about PHP. but templates seems right
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GWG How do you define template?
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GWG This is language neutral
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GWG Isn't that the same as breaking it into functions?
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kylewm I'm not sure I agree it's language neutral
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GWG Ok
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kylewm since php itself is running inside of what i would call a template in any other language
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GWG Does this aesthetically look good to you?
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kylewm like an html document with placeholders for property values
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GWG https://tiny.n9n.us/page/4/
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GWG I'm only working on the context part
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kylewm you have the same problem I do... it's very hard to make clear (to someone who's not expecting it) that X is foreign content and Y is the reply to it
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neuro` I gave it a try there. https://t37.net/note/30967-parultongaria-language-and-blogging-are-a-real-critical-issue-i-ve-been-struggli
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neuro` if it can help
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GWG kylewm: I had the grey box before.
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kylewm GWG: I think the bookmark context is good; for the like/favorite, it reads a little funny left-to-right
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kylewm picture of jeremy liked article by jeremy
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kylewm neuro`: that looks pretty good to me, a familiar Q&A format from other publications
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GWG kylewm: That is what I'm experimenting with. Moving it around and checking appearance.
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GWG kylewm: I figured I should give using your picture as a test a rest
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kylewm :D
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GWG kylewm: There's a lot I haven't built out. Right now, I'm just trying to get the look down
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kylewm reply contexts is by far the hardest styling problem i've had
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GWG Well, I looked at yours because it was very simplistic.
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GWG I have the grey box around mine on my site.
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GWG I thought I might try boundless.
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GWG Although a line at the bottom might work.
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GWG How's that?
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kylewm I like it better with the line
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kylewm going out to get coffee, bbl!
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@firushi "Movimiento IndieWeb: redescentralizando Internet" http://cyborgcultura.ticbeat.com/movimiento-indieweb-redescentralizando-internet/ good read (twitter.com/_/status/546749526590369792)
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@firushi "Movimiento IndieWeb: redescentralizando Internet" http://cyborgcultura.ticbeat.com/movimiento-indieweb-redescentralizando-internet/ good read (twitter.com/_/status/546749536006586368)
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KevinMarks__ Reading the Spanish article through Google translate it draws on klint's wired piece by crediting me ward and Brad rather than Aaron Amber Crystal and Tantek
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KevinMarks__ Looks like there is the beginning of a Spanish translation of the homepage there
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GWG KevinMarks__: So I was right, it is Spanish?
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KevinMarks__ Well Google translate thinks it is
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@Toubiweb RT @xtof_fr: "Bundle" #LQDN + #indieweb. Jusqu'á dimanche (H-43), @indiehosters aidera @laquadrature 5€ reversés pour .. http://t.co/WyEOlz… (twitter.com/_/status/546753326839119872)
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@MartinPerez Movimiento IndieWeb: re-descentralizando Internet | @TICbeat http://cyborgcultura.ticbeat.com/movimiento-indieweb-redescentralizando-internet/ (twitter.com/_/status/546755679089086464)
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@tecnocistemas RT @twitecnologia: Movimiento IndieWeb: redescentralizando Internet http://cyborgcultura.ticbeat.com/movimiento-indieweb-redescentralizando-internet/ (twitter.com/_/status/546758228173160448)
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@espana_digital “@MartinPerez: Movimiento IndieWeb: re-descentralizando Internet | @TICbeat http://t.co/p4moaOFyYS” (twitter.com/_/status/546761267680387074)
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GWG Anyone about?
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GWG I need some discourse not in Spanish
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@M_Olea Movimiento IndieWeb: redescentralizando Internet http://cyborgcultura.ticbeat.com/movimiento-indieweb-redescentralizando-internet/ (twitter.com/_/status/546777027828023297)
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@joiner3710 http://t.co/xVQMhJM8zW: Movimiento IndieWeb: redescentralizando Internet. http://cyborgcultura.ticbeat.com/movimiento-indieweb-redescentralizando-internet/ (twitter.com/_/status/546781082147098624)
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: no. on the aaronpk image, SSLError
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GWG Hi, KartikPrabhu
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KartikPrabhu hi
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GWG KartikPrabhu: Can I pick your brain?
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GWG If you aren't busy?
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KartikPrabhu must go offline now actually
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GWG Ok
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GWG I'll see who else shows up.
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GWG IT is about the phrase, In Reply to a post. It is the A POST part.
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@hsturgill01 If anyone needs me, I'll be in #indiewebcamp on http://irc.freenode.net (twitter.com/_/status/546801019305607168)
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GWG hsturgill01: Who is looking for you?
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hsturgill01 GWG: haha, no one. Just wanted to draw attention to this channel
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GWG hsturgill01: I don't believe we've met
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GWG Virtually speaking
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hsturgill01 GWG: Nope. Was only in here for a minute the other day, as 'henson' I think. Got some awesome help though
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GWG hsturgill01: What brings you to us?
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hsturgill01 GWG: Podcast. Can't remember which one though ;-)
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GWG hsturgill01: Probably This Week in Google. KevinMarks is on there all the time talking about things
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hsturgill01 GWG: Probably. I want to say the channel was mentioned on InBeta too, but I could be totally wrong
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GWG hsturgill01: It was. I used to like that show before they cancelled it
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GWG But I enjoy Kevin Purdy's sense of humor.
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hsturgill01 GWG: Me too. i didn't hear it was cancled though. That's sad
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GWG Well, Kevin is leaving it
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hsturgill01 GWG: I think the only episode I listened to live was Gina's last. Kind of surprised Kevin stuck around that long
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KevinMarks probably TWiG, might have been gillmor gang
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GWG He got a replacement for Gina from the Mozilla Foundation.
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GWG But if hsturgill01 is thinking of IWC on In Beta, that was Amber Case, I believe, who was the guest.
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GWG I'm still obsessing about these reply contexts.
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aaronpk kylewm: old versions of the python http library don't support SNI which is why you can't fetch my profile image
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hsturgill01 Someone in here the other day recommended a channel that was named something like.. server-fu or admin-fu or something.. Can't find it in /list though. Anyone have a guess?
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aaronpk did anyone else notice that the article is in spanish but the headline is italian?
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aaronpk wait that isn't italian at all, it just looks like it
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@IndieHosters 8 hours left to get your IndieWeb :) https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/indiehosters (twitter.com/_/status/546811072855179264)
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@pierreozoux RT @IndieHosters: 8 hours left to get your IndieWeb :) https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/indiehosters (twitter.com/_/status/546811097345699840)
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aaronpk now it can't translate the headline at all
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aaronpk oh wel. I'm not super familiar with the romance languages.
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GWG hsturgill01: crimsonfu
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tantek GWG - I stand corrected, it appears the article is in Spanish, but the headline looked Italian. very strange.
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@TcitWorld RT @IndieHosters: 8 hours left to get your IndieWeb :) https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/indiehosters (twitter.com/_/status/546812135838609408)
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hsturgill01 GWG: Thanks!
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GWG tantek: No problema
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@hsturgill01 Setting up auto-join in weechat: /set server.irc.freenode.autojoin #indiewebcamp,#crimsonfu (twitter.com/_/status/546814529229692928)
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GWG aaronpk: I was looking at something...https://indiewebcamp.com/reply-context-examples
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GWG What does your site do when it can't find the profile picture any longer?
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aaronpk nothing smart right now :(
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GWG http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/04/19/2/indieweb
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Loqi it'll be ok
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GWG I see the mystery icon
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aaronpk I'm planning on storing a copy locally so I can always show the photo at the time it was posted
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GWG But I pulled the link. The site is still there...
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aaronpk it could be that he didn't have a profile photo mf2 markup when I replied
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aaronpk it doesn't go and re-parse the URLs later or anything
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GWG Oh
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GWG aaronpk: Just trying to plan out mine