#indiewebcamp 2015-02-26

2015-02-26 UTC
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Loqi
acegiak@slack: nah irc/kylewm is good
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Loqi
acegiak@slack: general->specific
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Loqi
acegiak@slack: cause the next thing is then the post time on slack
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Loqi
acegiak@slack: Nope. I tap out. Slack is giving me the jibblies
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Loqi
aaronpk@slack: haha
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tantek
oh that's an interesting change - it looks odd to me though
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Loqi
kylewm@slack: acegiak: what don't you like?
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tantek
I back scan from the : and see slack: which makes it seem like slack is talking
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aaronpk
i'm open to suggestions. [slack/kylewm] seemed too noisy though
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tantek
and at the front, it starts with "Loqi:" in the IRC client
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KevinMarks
thinking about /link-preview maybe unmung could generate link preview markup from ogp etc
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tantek
so literally the most important piece, the actual author, is LOST in the middle
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tantek
middle of "Loqi: kylewm@slack:"
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acegiak
let me see how I do it for my minecraft bridge
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aaronpk
hm I can see that. it's different on my client tho
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tantek
if you don't like the brackets (don't blame you), then just drop them
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tantek
e.g. "Loqi: slack/kylewm:"
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aaronpk
with colon then?
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Loqi
pwcc@slack: Can Loqi lie about who they are positing as?
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tantek
and that way when you scan/skip past "Loqi: slack/"
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aaronpk
pwcc: of course
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tantek
then your eye sees …kylewm:
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acegiak
on my minecraft bridge I have it with <MCbridge> <username> message
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tantek
anglebrackets - how RFC822 :P ;)
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KevinMarks
could loqi post as slackqi and just put the name?
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tantek
aaronpk, the other thing about "Loqi: slack/kylewm:" is that it properly reflects that what you're seeing is from the Slack silo
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tantek
which is the root owner etc.
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tantek
and that kylewm there is scoped to Slack
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colintedford
I can see the "lost in the middle" argument, but for me reading left to right, "kylewm@slacK" is clearer.
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acegiak
slack on the right only makes sense with an @
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tantek
colintedford: except that the Loqi: is what you see first
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colintedford
My client colors Loqi's name, though, though, which helps.
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acegiak
do we have to use the whole word slack?
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Loqi
slack/aaronpk: we can use anything, I just need to be able to match it on the other side
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tantek
yeah that totally looks better
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colintedford
tantek: I can see both styles in the conversation here and the @ is easier for me to read.
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tantek
"Loqi: slack/aaronpk: we can use anything"
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Loqi
slack/pwcc: I reckon having loqi lie could work - assume people aren't going to impersonate.
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Loqi
slack/aaronpk: pwcc: I don't understand what you mean
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tantek
besides we're web focused, not email focused. so paths > @
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acegiak
that looks like loqi is addressing slack/aaronpk to me
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Loqi
slack/kevinmarks: sLacqi
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Loqi
slack/aaronpk: the only thing I don't like about this version is that yeah what acegiak said
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Loqi
slack/aaronpk: because that's IRC convention
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Loqi
slack/pwcc: sorry. Basically have loqi post in irc using the same username as in slack.
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Loqi
slack/pwcc: So Loqi impersonates me in the irc channel.
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colintedford
slack/aaronpk looks OK to me w/out the brackets.
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Loqi
slack/aaronpk: oh, no I can't sign in to people's IRC nicks on freenode lol
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tantek
heh, let's just give Loqi all the keys ;)
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tantek
and then when Loqi becomes self-aware, it will be that much easier for it to take over
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Loqi
slack/pwcc: Cool - was surprised. :simple_smile:
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colintedford
Though yeah, having Loqi up front is really the main thing that makes it weird.
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Loqi
slack/aaronpk: i *could* do something like have Loqi sign in to irc as "tantek|slack" but that'd be way more complicated for me
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tantek
or you could stick with just colons
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tantek
all old school namespace like
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Loqi
slack/aaronpk: slack::aaronpk
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KevinMarks
I mean create a new user "slaqi” and have that post with out a prefix
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acegiak
if loqi can use separate names just have loqi use a different name for when slack bridging
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tantek
Loqi: slack: aaronpk: oh, no I can't
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ben_thatmustbeme
or create a different bot from Loqi
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tantek
I like the idea of shortening/dropping slack
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Loqi
slack/aaronpk: blasphemy!
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ben_thatmustbeme
Slack (though its porbably taken)
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reidab
spam the channel with many many /nick changes :P
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tantek
perhaps just a convention that this message is coming from another channel
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tantek
we already do that for tweets
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KevinMarks
so "<slaqi> kevinmarks: blah"
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ben_thatmustbeme
<Slack> aaronpk: oh, no I can't
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Loqi
slack/aaronpk: the slack logo is #
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colintedford
tantek++ shorten/drop
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Loqi
tantek has 157 karma
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tantek
hold on finding example
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tantek
e.g. Loqi does this automatically when someone says a keyword in twitter
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Loqi
is done
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@t
2 more IndieWebCamp translations started Spanish http://indiewebcamp.com/Main_Page-es Catalon http://indiewebcamp.com/Main_Page-ca Thanks @badosa! (ttk.me t4_q1)
(twitter.com/_/status/570320538033373185)
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aaronpk
hey why didn't the ++ go to slack
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aaronpk
Loqi++
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Loqi
Loqi has 339 karma
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Loqi
slack/aaronpk: Loqi++
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tantek
aaronpk, because Loqi processed the ++ here in IRC, and then stopped processing
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KevinMarks
obviously # is not ideal but maybe a sharp?
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aaronpk
tantek: good call
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tantek
I like the > prompt
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tantek
e.g. [>aaronpk] Loqi++
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aaronpk
whoa where'd > come from?
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tantek
this better? >_
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acegiak
what about [s!acegiak] my message?
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aaronpk
cryptic
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tantek
any use of letters makes it look like part of the name
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acegiak
just spitballin
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aaronpk
oops I broke everything
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Loqi
slack/kevinmarks: how about ♯kevinmarks
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tantek
too hashtaggy
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KevinMarks
no #is hash ♯ is sharp
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tantek
I still vote for "kevinmarks>" for anything from slack or other sources, and "@kevinmarks>" for twitter (instead of [@kevinmarks] )
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tantek
KevinMarks: still looks hashtaggy :P
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reidab
that seems like it could get a bit confusing with slack also encouraging @mentions
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tantek
too similar, cognitive dissonance and all that
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Loqi
slack/kevinmarks: Ok how about â™®kevinmarks
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Loqi
slack/kevinmarks: more natural
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tantek
now it just looks like an obscure musical reference
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tantek
is there a way to tie your domain to your slack profile?
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tantek
we could just abandon all this silo specific username crap
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tantek
and go with domain/ :P
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Loqi
slack/aaronpk: I can look up your domain on /irc-people
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tantek
no matter how the identity comes in, transform it to their domain
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Loqi
slack/kevinmarks: slack's logo is a rotated hash
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Loqi
slack/kevinmarks: so ⨳kevinmarks
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tantek
KevinMarks: I'm surprised you haven't suggested #!kevinmarks :P
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aaronpk
wtf there is a rotated hash unicode?
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KevinMarks
smash product apparently
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reidab
#!/usr/slack/KevinMarks
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tantek
reidab++
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Loqi
reidab has 24 karma
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aaronpk
tantek: I can't do just "kevinmarks>" because I need some notation that is *only* used by the slack message
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Loqi
slack/kevinmarks: there's even ≋kevinmarks for activity stream sourced info :wink:
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Loqi
slack/aaronpk: otherwise this happens
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tantek
this what?
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Loqi
slack/kevinmarks: you could use guillemots
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Loqi
slack/aaronpk: oh you're not in slack anymore
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Loqi
slack/aaronpk: it makes Loqi echo his line in Slack
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snarfed
tantek: aaronpk: i put my url (ie domain) in the "What I Do" profile section
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snarfed
(of slack)
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snarfed
not great but meh
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tantek
ok I'll switch to mobile slack
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reidab
you could probably get away with a nonprinting unicode character per service, but I think that's much more confusing than just picking a printing char to represent each service
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aaronpk
hahaha
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Loqi
hehe
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aaronpk
oops lost the icons for a minute
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GWG
rhiaro: This IRC web client, can you keep me posted?
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Loqi
slack/kevinmarks: eg »kevinmarks»
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aaronpk
that one looks somewhat nice
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rhiaro
GWG: they're actually building a server (like quassel) that it's really easy to build clients for (unlike quassel) and someone will build a web client to work with it
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KevinMarks
smash product is the best imo
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GWG
rhiaro: I use ZNC. Willing to switch. But I want something with a good web client.
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rhiaro
Not sure how long it'll be
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KitB
It's a hobby project at the moment because I'm pissed of with quassel
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KitB
s/of/off/g
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Loqi
KitB meant to say: It's a hobby project at the moment because I'm pissed off with quassel
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GWG
rhiaro: I'm surprised no one has ever tried a web client built into ZNC.
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KitB
But a decent web client is one of the goals
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GWG
KitB: Happens
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rhiaro
I've not used znc, I believe tbrb does
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rhiaro
Who also might be involved in possel
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KitB
He's certainly in the IRC channel
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GWG
I tried Weechat and Glowing Bear
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reidab
I also use ZNC as a bouncer, but have never felt the desire for a web client
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rhiaro
Now I have a chromebook, web client has suddenly become even more noticeably missing
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GWG
rhiaro: That's one of my use cases
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GWG
reidab: One of my use cases is mobile. I don't need constant connection.
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bear
I use ZNC and when I need to have a web client I stand up qwebirc real fast
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rhiaro
Quassel android client is fine
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GWG
Then I need to have Quassel and ZNC running.
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reidab
I use a native mobile client, with ZNC set up to replay scrollback on reconnect. When I was using a chromebook a bit last year, I was using https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/circ/bebigdkelppomhhjaaianniiifjbgocn?hl=en-US
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KevinMarks
I use CIRC on chromebook
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KevinMarks
and on macos now
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Loqi
slack/tantek: So far slack iOS is better than colloquy iOS for one channel
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bear
I like the slack android client if your dealing with a single slack with a few channels
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bear
it's a nice interface and it handles mobile network disconnects nicely
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GWG
reidab: I have multiple computers connected to the same ZNC instance. MAkes that hard
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reidab
I do too, but I forget which combination of settings I found works best
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GWG
reidab: I may look into that
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reidab
I think it's "replay the scrollback buffer on connect, clear the buffer when I send a message"
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Loqi
slack/tantek: Hmm irc icons lost again?
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KevinMarks
slack android needs to let you choose which team you are sharing to after choosing slack
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Loqi
slack/tantek: Our irc logs are *much* better on mobile than Slack
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Loqi
slack/tantek: The only thing slightly nicer in slack is only one icon per person with multiple utterances.
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Loqi
slack/tantek: And by doing that they are able to make their icon display bigger
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Loqi
slack/kevinmarks: yes, that is a nice touch
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Loqi
slack/tantek: At the expense +1 line to put all the "info" (text name, time) on it's own line instead of inline prefixing the message
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Loqi
slack/kevinmarks: but they take up more vertical space
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bear
the UX they have when you load a channel that has a lot of backscroll is nice - it's one click to scroll to the top of the backscroll or one click to ignore it and stay at the most recent line
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bear
I find I do the "x stay place" more because the mobile view is my "hey, anything recent" check
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aaronparecki.com
edited /events/2015-02-25-homebrew-website-club (+79) "no pdx this week, sorry! :-("
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Loqi
slack/tantek: And then if the send button is enabled and you use it. All text entered disappears.
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Loqi
slack/tantek: Huh looks like disappears means lost
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Loqi
slack/tantek: Here's the text I had in the input box that got lost:
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Loqi
slack/tantek: iOS slack app limitation. When you reopen the app, it blanks the screen, erasing the previous messages and stalls with "connecting..." in the text input box. In contrast iOS Colloquy immediately shows you everything you've received previously. Thus if you have spotty network (eg MUNI under market st), iOS Slack is useless.
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Loqi
slack/tantek: So Slack is quite slacky on an intermittent mobile connection.
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bear
on the android version I haven't ever lost text - and it shows the outbound message as grayed out until it knows it was received
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Loqi
slack/kylewm: Aw hwc pdx canceled?
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Loqi
slack/kevinmarks: I do like the red line showing where you last were
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tonious
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tonious
Whoops.
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tonious
goes back to lurking.
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tantek
hello from SF!
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colintedford.com
edited /User:Colintedford.com (+446) "Doing manual POSSE / backfeed @ Twitter, comment forms, bug reports."
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GWG
Hello, SF.
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snarfed
colintedford, you backfeed from silos manually?
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snarfed
that's dedication
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colintedford
Haha, yeah.
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GWG
I'm not that dedicated.
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colintedford
I don't have a lot to backfeed at the moment.
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colintedford
Definitely not planning to do it this way forever.
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tantek.com
edited /Squarespace (+222) "moved IndieAuth with rel-me how to - to historical section since it was for previous version of SquareSpace"
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colintedford
PS. snarfed, I decided on "outbox" for my "responses" page (I'm sure you were dying to know ;)
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snarfed
colintedford: nice!
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snarfed
btw, i see you're eventually moving off wordpress, but in the meantime you can get plug and play backfeed with the webmention and semantic linkbacks plugins and bridgy
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snarfed
you probably knew that
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GWG
snarfed: https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-semantic-linkbacks - Speaking of Semantic Linkbacks, not sure how to take this
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snarfed
GWG: how to take what?
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snarfed
looks like a nice credit to me
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GWG
snarfed: I'm wondering if this means I finally got the indenting under control.
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colintedford
snarfed: Yup, holding off for now so i don't feel obliged to re-do those parts when I move.
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tantek
KevinMarks: that medium URL w/o JS shows attempts to access https://ssl/ and http://www/
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colintedford
But if I start getting a lot of incoming stuff before then I may fire them up anyway.
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tantek
seems like either they are being naughty, or have been compromised by someone being naughty, or have a bug where their internal dev stuff is leaking into external HTML that is being served
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tantek
hey let's see if we're live
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GWG
Live?
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: welcome to the second Homebrew Website Club of February, 4th of the year
(twitter.com/_/status/570774851818037248)
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tantek
kylewm: added to my reader - live updates
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tantek
… basically copying the blog post / code that aaronpk did for live comments
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snarfed
colintedford: it's not much work and zero coding, maybe 5-10m total, so not much to redo, but up to you
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tantek
… but for entries on the reader
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tantek
… as part of that added support for getting Pubsubhubbub notifications
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tantek
… most people don't send pings for the HTML feed
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tantek
… just barnaby and me now
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kylewm2: I changed http://reader.kylewm.com to support pubsubhubbub so it updates in real time now
(twitter.com/_/status/570775151706562560)
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tantek
… trying to recruit more people to do it
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Kat
what is Pubsubhubbub?
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Loqi
PubSubHubbub (PuSH) is a notification-based protocol for publishing and subscribing to feeds/streams in real time https://indiewebcamp.com/PubSubHubbub
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tantek
kylewm: And earlier this week I couldn't get Superfeedr to subscribe to his hub and got @julien51 to fix it
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kylewm2: last week I was having trouble with suprfeeder being able to subscribe but @julien51 fixed it
(twitter.com/_/status/570775309638873089)
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tantek
… using kylewm.superfeedr.com
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tantek
… julien fixed it and it now works
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tantek
kylewm: my website is kylewm.com
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tantek
dariusdunlap: have officially finished moving site to a Digital Ocean droplet
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tantek
… learned a lot in the process
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tantek
… will be posting on his blog
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tantek
… lot of nitty gritty with setting up nginx with SSL
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tantek
… better resources, walkthrough for how to get that set up
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tantek
… a lot of stuff on my list to do
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tantek
… now that I got my sites up & running
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @dariusdunlap: I moved my hosting to a Digital Ocean droplet and I'm going to post on how to do this on https://darius.dunlaps.net
(twitter.com/_/status/570775661138325504)
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tantek
… a lot of the stuff I wanted to do required e.g. getting SNI setup
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tantek
… it was fun. in an old unix guy kind of way.
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tantek
kylewm: bare droplet? or LAMP?
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @dariusdunlap: there's a lot of nginx config to set up so my POSSE stuff can work on the new site
(twitter.com/_/status/570775782974484480)
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tantek
dariusdunlap: started bare
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tantek
… used their ubuntu 14. 4
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tantek
… going to get my notes together
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tantek
… was about about month or so of a couple of evenings a week
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: it's important to document how long this config stuff takes
(twitter.com/_/status/570776113657618433)
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colintedford
snarfed: I meant the unknown amount of work on whatever I move to.
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @dariusdunlap: part of it for me was relearning the new sysadmin ways - nginx vs apache
(twitter.com/_/status/570776228476653570)
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snarfed
colintedford: oh i see, so it doesn't regress. got it
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tantek
dariusdunlap: I have dunlaps.net and darius.dunlaps.net and feedthegirl.com
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tantek
… and feedthegirl.com is also feedthegirl.dunlaps.net but everything is aliased the right way
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tantek
KevinMarks: read the post about Medium ( https://medium.com/inside/blogging-on-medium-95f1546bcd7d ) and wants to instead do all that using his own site
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tantek
… can use the Medium editor to post stuff on your own site, but the process is kind of crap, editing, exporting etc.
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tantek
… of course it would work if Medium editor support micropub
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tantek
… you can write your post in Medium, keep it as draft, then use export my posts to get it out
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tantek
KevinMarks: the other news .. reporting for benwerd
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tantek
… both Blogger and Tumblr are cracking down this week on adult content
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tantek
… Blogger has said any adult content must be made private by next Monday
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tantek
… Tumblr - varying reports - nothing directly public
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tantek
… indirectly via posts saying "I have to backup my posts"
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tantek
… so benwerd is busy working on importers from both of those Known (and thus also Withknown.com)
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tantek
… the point is the that the importers are part of the open source base
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@hybridjesus
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @dariusdunlap: I moved my hosting to a Digital Ocean droplet and I'm going to post on how to do this on https://…
(twitter.com/_/status/570777594968346625)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kevinmarks: I am trying to use @medium to pst to my site - it now involves using their export process and editing the HTML
(twitter.com/_/status/570777598881603584)
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tantek
note that LiveJournal has been expiring / deleting blogs with only a 15 day notice: http://indiewebcamp.com/LiveJournal#Deletion_of_inactive_accounts
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kevinmarks: if @medium is serious about blogging it would be great if they supported micropub
(twitter.com/_/status/570777762409132032)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kevinmarks: in other news, Blogger has giving bloggers with Adult content until monday to make their blogs private
(twitter.com/_/status/570777904486998016)
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tantek
Kat: I have a portfolio and originally coded it myself, haven't updated in past 2-3 years
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tantek
… I wanted to update it.
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tantek
… I bought some squarespace (space)
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tantek
… playing around with it now
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kabula: I have a portfolio that I coded myself; now I am trying squarespace as hosting for my own site
(twitter.com/_/status/570778079129432065)
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tantek
… easy to navigate and create, can have a blog, ecommerce site etc.
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tantek
… whereas for my old portfolio I have to start from scratch and it's a lot of work
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colintedford
Blogger--
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Loqi
Blogger has -1 karma
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kabula: the e-commerce and blog there is really easy to create. However you have to follow their grid and layout
(twitter.com/_/status/570778215641452544)
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tantek
… the one thing about squarespace is that there isn't a lot of freedom
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tantek
… because you have to work within their design, their templates
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kylewm
KevinMarks: @kabula doesn't seem right
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @dariusdunlap: i've set up a couple of people on squarespace; there is a developer api
(twitter.com/_/status/570778324794007555)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kabula: i do like how easy to is to blog using squarespace - it feels a bit like cheating
(twitter.com/_/status/570778507191721987)
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tantek
kat: it's kind of like eating, do I want to bake my own bread, or buy bread
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kabula: do I want to bake my own bread and be really proud of it, or do I want to buy bread
(twitter.com/_/status/570778592096989185)
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tantek
EJ: you can also buy a breadmachine
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tantek
kat: basically I bought a breadmachine, because I'm spending money on squarespace
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tantek
EJ: hi I'm EJ, and met KevinMarks at the Matter thing where benwerd and erinjo presented
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Eliservescent: it's like having a bread machine
(twitter.com/_/status/570778928660553730)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kabula: yes, as ai paid money for squarespace it is just like a bread machine
(twitter.com/_/status/570779024483614721)
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colintedford.com
edited /User:Colintedford.com (+400) "/* Noise filter */ Posting replies to "outbox" instead of home."
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KevinMarks___
EJ is http://meta.ly and @eliservescent
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Loqi
slack/aaronpk: outbox! I like it
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: I got RSVPs saying no and maybe , and remote attending - previously I only coded how to say yes to events
(twitter.com/_/status/570779444127907840)
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Kat
The cobblers kids do what to him?
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colintedford
aaronpk: Thanks :D I'm pretty sure 1 or more indiewebsters use "inbox" for their mentions, which I plan to copy.
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Loqi
slack/aaronpk: heh ironically I really don't like the term "inbox" for mentions
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colintedford
Interesting! Reasons, or "just" a feeling?
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colintedford
Might switch to incoming/outgoing or in/outbound, but *box won for now b/c shortest & clear enough.
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: a public maybe makes sense, but a public no doesn't often, but being stuck in Sydney meant I had to cancel an event
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Loqi
slack/aaronpk: I think I don't like it because then it sounds like email, like something I have to check all the time that is a burden
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: remote attending isn't a yes/no/maybe - it is another kind of thing
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kevinmarks: most event systems don't let you have multiple locations; only online events
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Eliservescent: a webinar conveys a remote seminar but is rarely anything like a seminar as it isn't people interacting
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Eliservescent: most webinars are a broadcast lecture or a dialog between speaker and one remote, not socratic dialogue
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tantek
EJ: I get frustrated about tech jargon related to "disrupting" education, especially higher education, because it's rarely anything positive
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Eliservescent: every time someone talks about disrupting higher education it is about having more people here a lecture
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tantek
EJ: it's usually about magnifying lectures, broadcasting lectures, which is perhaps the worst thing to amplify
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tantek
EJ: Khan Academy is doing some good things though.
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colintedford
aaronpk: Makes sense. I guess I'm thinking of my indieweb inbox as like email in the old days of lower volume & lower adoption, when each incoming item was like a present :)
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tantek
colintedford wow I remember those days. About 25 years ago.
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Eliservescent: in the humanities you do the reading at home, but the discussion is the important part
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tantek
tantek: so this kind of thing (waves hand around room) is a seminar
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: what we are doing here is more like a seminar
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tantek
EJ: yes, this (Homebrew Website Club) is a seminar
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tantek
kevinmarks: so a chatroom thing is more like a seminar
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kevinmarks: so the chat room is more seminar like than the lecture?
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colintedford
tantek: haha, yeah.
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tantek
EJ: yes, absolutely. find ways to make a chatroom not just to be a way of answering a prompt twice, but instead force learning to happen through interaction [with each other]
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tantek
kevinmarks: we have a wiki that's full of information, but it's often better if people come to the chat room and ask, and then we give them references to read
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Eliservescent: yes - and trying to get people to structure interaction with each other in chat rooms is hard
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tantek
EJ: there's a crucial interaction happening there between a source of authority and a constituent. separately the wiki is a desire for a seminar-like interaction among equals.
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Eliservescent: I found my peer group in railsbridge, and it is the community that makes it work
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@BillSeitz
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @kevinmarks: if @medium is serious about blogging it would be great if they supported micropub
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Eliservescent: there is a lot of bootstrapping and self enablement her, but also a lot of opportunism here- audience seekers
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colintedford
Side comment re: education: Coincidentally, my high-school teachers often told distracting students they were "disrupting the class".
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Loqi
slack/kylewm: heh
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colintedford
pdurbin: from now on i'll imagine that owl mascot carrying my POSSE messages to the silos.
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Eliservescent: going to a lecture and taking a test probably teaches you less than a seminar, even if you can't measure it
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: 'academic' can mean writing papers rather than writing things that work
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: there is a large unfiltered mass from people who have an idea, but people who have built it say "that didn't work"
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: if you're not willing to commit to your own website
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Eliservescent: it is only $10/year to make a website but it feels like a bigger commitment
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @dariusdunlap: how much I spend a month is nothing compared to the time I put into it
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Eliservescent: is wordpress the middle ground between squarespace and self hosting?
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@profbrady
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: 'academic' can mean writing papers rather than writing things that work
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @dariusdunlap: wordpress was that middle ground as it made it simpler a few years ago
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: wordpress now has got more complicated so you need to manage it too
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: Known @withknown is the new simplification, with thinking about mobile a key part
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Eliservescent: where I'm frustarted when it is too easy, but then I can't customise it - I care deeply about typography
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tantek
KevinMarks: this is part of my grump against Medium, with their post saying "we are a blogging site too", you can't configure anything
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tantek
KevinMarks: they are missing letting people make things look strange and weird the way people want them to
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@benwerd
@kevinmarks (And I apologize for not being there, but am working on it as we speak) @t #indieweb
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tantek
EJ: this is where I'm interested in applications like Pocket, offline readers, and inheritors of the RSS feed, who want to take the NYT out of context for me so I can read it simply
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tantek
EJ: there's a lot of the internet I can't read because it's too upsetting, e.g. Buzzfeed
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Eliservescent: i'm interested in pocket and instapaper because they take the page out of it's context
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kevinmarks: a big part of what made blogging matter was the chaotic possibilities that different layouts made possible
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tantek
EJ: I'm reading things constantly but I'm always in a battle against the open tabs.
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kevinmarks: there are more ways to express ourselves than the 3 or 4 templates we have from twitter and facebook
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Eliservescent: I'm reading things constantly but I'm always in a battle against the open tabs.
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tantek
EJ: It gets delicioused when I've actually read it, but I know no one uses that socially any more. But I like that it's public. And there's a little feed built into my WordPress that shows what I've read recently.
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Eliservescent: I have a set of bookmarks which I will never read but ti is nice to thinkI'll search them sometimes
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colintedford
Tangential to "[taking sites] out of context for me so I can read it simply": I've started saving webpages of interest via Firefox, & the amount of extraneous crap on some drives me nuts.
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tantek
EJ: I've gone into IFTTT to try to get recipes to setup everything, but they don't have triggers for everything.
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Eliservescent: i feed things into https://delicious.com/ when I have read them, but they only show up in my blog footer
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tantek
EJ: Slack's real strength is integration.
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tantek
kylewm: we discovered that today, aaronpk got it connected to our IRC channel in like 20 minutes.
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tantek
KevinMarks: one of the key things Slack does is, give you a lowest common denominator of, here's a note and summary of a thing. When you send them a link, they give you a bit of it, but not the whole thing.
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tantek
… so you can get a sense of it on your phone
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tantek
… but since they've archived it
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tantek
… you can view the whole thing later.
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tantek
EJ: importantly with the integrations I will note that, one of the best things is that if I don't want to use it, I don't have to, because it's got enough integrations that I can still get messages via whatever medium I want.
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kevinmarks: a key thing that slack does it give a link preview for anything you post so you can grasp it, and click later
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Eliservescent: the integrations are what is key to making Slack work, as you don't have to use the service they way they chose
(twitter.com/_/status/570790205990539264)
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: more important than integrating with other independent sites is plugging into where your friends read
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: keep integrating with lots of other service rather than forcing people to come to your site
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tantek
EJ: you would really enjoy my comedy hack day project: ifthisthen.cat
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tantek
EJ: we've got "catreon"
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @Eliservescent: my comedy hack day site was http://ifthisthen.cat/ - do read the api documention
(twitter.com/_/status/570791538223157249)
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@cheeaun
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @Eliservescent: my comedy hack day site was http://ifthisthen.cat/ - do read the api documention
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@Eliservescent
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @Eliservescent: most webinars are a broadcast lecture or a dialog between speaker and one remote, not socratic di…
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@Eliservescent
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @Eliservescent: a webinar conveys a remote seminar but is rarely anything like a seminar as it isn't people inter…
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@Eliservescent
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @Eliservescent: every time someone talks about disrupting higher education it is about having more people here a …
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@Eliservescent
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @Eliservescent: in the humanities you do the reading at home, but the discussion is the important part
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tantek
we are closing up (a bit late) but done here in SF with HWC!
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@hybridjesus
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @Eliservescent: my comedy hack day site was http://ifthisthen.cat/ - do read the api documention
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@Eliservescent
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @Eliservescent: I found my peer group in railsbridge, and it is the community that makes it work
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RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @Eliservescent: going to a lecture and taking a test probably teaches you less than a seminar, even if you can't …
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@dearnetworking
Search and Connect with other participants at #indieweb with @annectoapp. Networking Made Efficient. https://www.youtube.com/
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@dimatosj
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @Eliservescent: my comedy hack day site was http://ifthisthen.cat/ - do read the api documention
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acegiak
So I'm trying out convos
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acegiak
and you're right it could use GUI friendly things like nickserv handling
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GWG
What is convos?
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acegiak2
just showing blackwool the various different IRC options and chatting about their pros/cons and discussing the IRC as a gateway problem
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Loqi
slack/kylewm: Awesome, love to her assessment
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GWG
I'm still not welcome on Slack, for some reason
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acegiak
You can't login?
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GWG
I don't seem to be getting the emails
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Loqi
slack/kylewm: Can't get the invite email
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GWG
I was hoping that aaronpk could intercept
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aaronpk
GWG: you tried getting it to send you another invite?
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GWG
aaronpk: Multiple times
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acegiak
there isn't really anything in slack like public rooms is there?
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aaronpk
slack has a public option if you pay
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aaronpk
if the organization/company pays, that is
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GWG
aaronpk: Any chance you could extract the link?
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aaronpk
my server doesn't log the actual email contents
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acegiak
I wonder if there's a way to make convos send notifications to mobile on highlight
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aaronpk
i can send you an invite directly though
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GWG
aaronpk: Can you?
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GWG
I feel left out, somehow
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aaronpk
acegiak: yeah there are good notification options
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acegiak
...how?
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aaronpk
check email!
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aaronpk
acegiak: in the app?
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acegiak
theres a convos app?
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aaronpk
oh, thought you meant slack
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acegiak
yeah no
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acegiak
blackwool and I were saying that the close-y pay-y ...ness of slack and irccloud are a big turnoff for us
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aaronpk
yeah I get that
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GWG
acegiak: I'm trialing irccloud for 2 months. I want to see what I like about it and hate about it
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acegiak
I REALLY like the avatar display/layout on slack and convos
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acegiak
so much neater
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kylewm
I think having avatars makes it way less daunting
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GWG
My problem is that when I ran an HTML based IRC client, it was blocked on various wifi networks due it not using a standard port
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acegiak
but I wish convos had a way to work out people's actual gravatars
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kylewm
like I go in #python and it is terrifying
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acegiak
rather than the hash based ones for the username strings
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kylewm
convos is using gravatar isn't it??
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kylewm
if your email is in your profile maybe
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acegiak
yeah, but how is it gonna fetch gravatars for people not connected using the same convos instance?
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kylewm
acegiak: it doesn't have a photo for me for example?
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acegiak
oh there it is
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acegiak
convos is displaying the picture for me which is nice
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acegiak
but It took a little while for it to work it out
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acegiak
I'm really trying hard to resist the temptation to roll my own irc client
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snarfed
GWG++ for the wordpress syndication links plugin. i added it and i'm really liking it: https://snarfed.org/
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Loqi
GWG has 82 karma
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snarfed
(icons next to the post dates)
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acegiak
man. i want to upload video to my blog
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acegiak
and i'd like to take a posse approach
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snarfed
(if they look wrong, shift-refresh)
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snarfed
acegiak: do it! you're on wp, right? media library supports video pretty well
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acegiak
but then i dont get the multiple video qualities etc of using youtube?
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GWG
snarfed: Glad you like it. I think I finally found the right level of simplicity for it
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acegiak
ill try it out with this one. we'll see how it goes
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snarfed
acegiak: wp uses <video> with a decent fallback player, i think both do adaptive streaming
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GWG
snarfed: I'll be adding hooks next.
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acegiak
lets try it out!
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snarfed
acegiak: the more pressing issue is low wp/php upload size limits. if you hit that, try scping the video file to the server directly and use https://wordpress.org/plugins/add-from-server/
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acegiak
GWG: how do you populate the syndication links in your plugin? Is there a hook I can call?
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GWG
acegiak: Right now, it is in post meta. But I want to add a hook to add additional entries on the fly from other sources.
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GWG
That would enable extensions to the manual entering of POSSE data
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acegiak
GWG: what puts it in post meta? doing it manually?
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GWG
acegiak: There is a post meta box, yes.
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GWG
In the post itself.
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acegiak
if you add hooks I can populate it in my quickposse plugin
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GWG
acegiak: Hooks to add extra POSSEs on the fly, or hooks to add in extra URLs to be saved?
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@ak2webd3
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @Eliservescent: in the humanities you do the reading at home, but the discussion is the important part
(twitter.com/_/status/570833142874968064)
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acegiak
I'll have a look at the plugin and then I'll be able to answer that question better
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GWG
acegiak: I had planned on adding hooks to add dynamically. And a function to add it in that divided up some of the steps.
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GWG
It's a very simple plugin by design.
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acegiak
yeah, neat
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GWG
Suggestions appreciated.
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GWG
I also need to work on a few others things this weekend. Like the Post Kinds display functionality for the new data structure.
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@Eliservescent
#indieweb @kevinmarks: Learning how to use Kevin Marks' awesome live-tweeting tool. No instructions!
(twitter.com/_/status/570836103265189888)
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@Eliservescent
#indieweb @kevinmarks: Optimized for quotation, but what about when I want to conversate myself?
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@Eliservescent
#indieweb : And if I'm not quoting? @kevinmarks' tool still has plenty of uses.
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Loqi
slack/kevinmarks: medium's PESOS tool is pretty good - you can hoover in any webpage and adjust formatting
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Loqi
slack/kevinmarks: slurped in my blog post, needed the crossheads and blockquote reapplied: <https://medium.com/@kevinmarks/how-apple-s-ios-fragmentation-problems-distort-design-thinking-f021a2999b8a>
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Loqi
Welcome, indie-visitor! Set your nickname by typing /nick yourname
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acegiak
snarfed: uploaded video!
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acegiak
need to fix the styling a little
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colintedford
!tell aaronpk I see twitter usernames are bolded in the logs; maybe bold the username in slack/username so it stands out better? (slack/*username*, not *slack/username*)
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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pfefferle
good morning
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GWG
Good morning.
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GWG
pfefferle: Saw the README update
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acegiak
So now I'm genuinely considering hacking on tinytinyirc
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GWG
acegiak: Just don't try talking to Andrew Dolgov
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acegiak
GWG: whysat?
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GWG
He's a jerk
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acegiak
good to know
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acegiak
I'll just fork it and run then
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GWG
Just my opinion. The TT-RSS forums are full of him being...less than nice
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cweiske
it's the russians
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cweiske
we have one russian at pear who is similiarly grumpy
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cweiske
I've learned to live with it
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pfefferle
GWG yes, I hope I get the other commit done today… will change some small things
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GWG
cweiske: Just feel an open-source community shouldn't be run that way.
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cweiske
I'm with you there
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GWG
pfefferle: Thanks. As I said, my reason for asking about updating the Wordpress.org repository was the get_linkback_number function, which I was using, but is not in the stable version, only the development one.
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ben_thatmustbeme
so with all the stuff i have been seeing about pubsubhuhbub... how the hell do yoiu subscribe to feeds?
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cweiske
"I opened a bug report and got the not so encouraging response that I should fix that myself since the author was not willing to support
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cweiske
terminally lazy people"
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acegiak
ben_thatmustbeme: wish I knew :P
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cweiske
POST to hub url
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ben_thatmustbeme
ah ha, found some app thats support it
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cweiske
did someone already write a hub in php that I can self-host?
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GWG
cweiske: He didn't even suggest I implement it. He accused me of 'bitching'.
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GWG
cweiske: Ironically, someone did implement what I was suggesting as a plugin.
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cweiske
GWG, just get on with it. there's no point to be annoyed about him
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GWG
cweiske: I didn't have to, someone else did it for me. But still...
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GWG
I'm done thinking about that. Just didn't want acegiak to end up in the same annoyed position
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acegiak
yeah thanks for the heads up
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acegiak
basically if I can get tiny tiny irc to be as pretty as convos with some css/jquery magic I'll be happy
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GWG
Hmm...
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thawrrrr
thawrrrr...dude...welcome back!
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ben_thatmustbeme
so it occurred to me, why do i bother with IRC at all
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ben_thatmustbeme
if I can log proxy through a bot, i can use my own interface and IRC / Slack literally are just plumbing
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ben_thatmustbeme
so I'm working on a nodejs bot now that will do just that
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ben_thatmustbeme
my own, web browser, whatever i want
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ben_thatmustbeme
basically i'm recreating irc-logs interface but my own
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ben_thatmustbeme
i'm working directly from my own app, so I don't care of plumbing underneath. once that is done, all that would remain is to create some indie version of a chat room and we don't need IRC
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ben_thatmustbeme
I didn't like the idea of moving into another silo when the slack stuff started, I realized thats because I can't customize IRC to hide away all that junk
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thawr
sorry for all the parts/joins
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thawr
haha, it works.... aside from display
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thawr
on my end that is
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thawr
test
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thawr
haha, hi gRegor`
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thawr
gah, need to get my UI working over here, but the concept is good
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ben_thatmustbeme
i'm getting it down though
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aaronpk
oh no!
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cweiske
acegiak, did you try out other web-based irc clients?
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thawr
hmm, annoying, io.emit doesn't seem to send to my client
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aaronpk
fixed logs thanks gRegor`
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Loqi
aaronpk: colintedford left you a message 6 hours, 26 minutes ago: I see twitter usernames are bolded in the logs; maybe bold the username in slack/username so it stands out better? (slack/*username*, not *slack/username*)
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aaronpk
good idea
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thawr
hmm
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thawr
yay
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Loqi
yay!
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thawr
i have text
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thawr
woah... i got 4 messages from loqi for some reason
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Loqi
woot!
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thawr
ahh, i think that was the keeping connections open issue or something
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thawr
/nick ben_thatmust
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thawr
heh
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aaronpk
you can also test and spam stuff in #indiechat
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thawr
good point, since i don't have multiple rooms working yet
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tantek.com
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tantek
kylewm++ for all the PubsubHubbub updates. Now to read through them :)
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Loqi
kylewm has 127 karma
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tantek.com
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aaronpk
i'm finding things are not very consistently named in the PuSH spec
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cweiske
it's 0.4. you can suggest improvements :)
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aaronpk
I am doing so
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aaronpk
new wiki page coming shortly
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aaronpk
actually i'm not suggesting any changes to PuSH 0.4 right now, just trying to clear things up
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kylewm
it looks like my subscriber is not compatible with wordpress's push hub, pushpress yet :(
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cweiske.de
edited /webhook (+172) "/* IndieWeb Examples */"
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aaronpk
huh why not?
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tantek.com
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kylewm
not sure yet, I just went through and subscribed to everyone in /PuSH#IndieWeb_Examples
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aaronpk
oh wow
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kylewm
and apparently I've never gotten an update ping from barnabywalters
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kylewm
ah crap, that's what i was afraid of, pushpress appears to be PuSH 0.3
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aaronpk
0.3 is only XML right?
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kylewm
right
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ben_thatmustbeme
probably on topic,s o moving this over here
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ben_thatmustbeme
since I had a fairly easy time getting my own nodejs -> IRC client working
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ben_thatmustbeme
I'm going to try to do the same with multiple chat rooms, multiple servers, and even joining both the slack and IRC versions of the room (via either slack/IRC or slack/XMPP)
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ben_thatmustbeme
maybe even roll in AIM
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ben_thatmustbeme
if only hangouts still supported XMPP
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ben_thatmustbeme
i know they are dropping it
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kylewm
oh phew, looks like I just needed to add hub.verify=async to the subscription request to get compatibility with pushpress...
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kylewm
ben_thatmustbeme: I don't understand what you're dong :)
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aaronpk
kylewm: are you receiving "fat pings" from any subscriptions right now?
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kylewm
aaronpk: nope I ignore the content of pings right now
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ben_thatmustbeme
kylewm, hopefully i will have a nice version out there in a month or so
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ben_thatmustbeme
would be cool to be able to show off at IWC Cambridge
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kylewm
and to be clear, I've only gotten pings from me and anildash so far :) hopefully that will change now that i'm subbed to some xml feeds
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aaronpk
what are your thoughts on fat pings in general?
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kylewm
the great thing about tantek's atom feed is it specifies a timezone,unlike his h-feed :p
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aaronpk
hahaha
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ben_thatmustbeme
your thoughts on fat pings in general are quite interesting to me
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aaronpk
ben_thatmustbeme: lol
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ben_thatmustbeme
still arguing for a prefix to address loqi when you want him to edit
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Loqi
dude
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aaronpk
so far the only "accidents" have been intentional :P
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ben_thatmustbeme
it will happen
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aaronpk
i can wait
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kylewm
fat pings seem pretty critical if youre a really high subscriber feed
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kylewm
so you don't have 15,000 readers all fetching your site at once after they receive the ping from the hub
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kylewm
but that's a problem because you as a publisher don't have any control over whether your subscribers are doing that :p
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aaronpk
and it seems that there's no trust issue with fat pings from a hub like there is for webmentions
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aaronpk
because the hub is trusted by the publisher, so subscribers should trust the hub as much as they trust the publisher
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kylewm
i haven't read about them, is there some verification method that proves it is indeed a message from the hub?
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aaronpk
if you provide a secret during subscription yes
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aaronpk
i'll make a note of that in this writeup but for the first pass I don't want to involve the secret
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kylewm
are fat pings part of the PuSH spec or are they something superfeedr provides?
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kylewm
sigh, i really need to get an ssl certificate for reader.kylewm.com :(
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aaronpk
the PuSH spec doesn't actually what goes into the notification, so you can get fat pings or not
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aaronpk
it's funny cause the more I read the PuSH spec the more I realize how thin it actually is
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aaronpk
I am almost done with this... brb
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kylewm
Royal Payne Diaz
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ben_thatmustbeme
hmm, aaronpk, can i not delete page on the wiki
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aaronpk
i think deletes are restricted for some reason
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ben_thatmustbeme
what are your thoughts on fat pings in general?
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kylewm
just redirect to /Fatberg
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aaronpk
you can force a summary by adding <div class="p-summary"> btw
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aaronpk
otherwise it just tries to find the first sentence
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ben_thatmustbeme
eh, i would delete it, figured i'd have some fun with it before then
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kylewm
there was a good email somewhere complainiing about 0.4's underspecification
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aaronpk
i'm fixing that
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kylewm
it's interesting that being underspecified seems to make it more likely for only one or two implementations to exist
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aaronpk
I wonder if OAuth 2.0 had been written originally as the way it ended up, if that would also be true for OAuth
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aaronpk
it used to be better specified, and for a whole summer it didn't change, which is when most of the APIs got built
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aaronpk
so a bunch of them essentially implemented draft 10, and now we're past draft 23 and there's not a lot left in it
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kylewm
actually here is the first round where Jay R actually gives constructive comments https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/pubsubhubbub/sW6nVt_a7VQ
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kylewm
i guess the publisher and hub could really be the same application, and then there is no need for a ping between them
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aaronpk
that is kind of the same thing I have with https://tokens.indieauth.com
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aaronpk
your token endpoint and authorization endpoint *could* be the same server, but if they're not, then I described how they communicate
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kylewm
ha, great point
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aaronparecki.com
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aaronpk
this is my attempt at hard-coding more of the PuSH 0.4 spec
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kylewm
wow! nice work, yes i will review in a bit. headed out the door atm
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ben_thatmustbeme
i had google telling me how long it would take to get home wrong... "NULL to Home"
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ben_thatmustbeme
I don't know how long NULL is exactly
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sparverius
ben_thatmustbeme: well the distance home in that case would not be a number soooo
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sparverius
have you watched the film gravity? i think you're trapped in that.
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sparverius
I've asked this before, I think, but would anyone have some suggestions for colo/dedi/vps hosting? I looked on the wiki briefly
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aaronpk
I'm still a fan of Linode
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sparverius
the urgency moved up
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sparverius
hmm... yeah, ive heard a lot of nice things about them. i think i'll just go with it
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sparverius
sure, why not
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aaronpk
:) thanks!
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@benwerd
Without #netneutrality, you could have been penalized for running your own website instead of using a big player. Big win for the #indieweb.
(twitter.com/_/status/571012107111510016)
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kylewm
sparverius: last time i looked, DigitalOcean was half the price if you can live with half the RAM
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bear
DigitalOcean, Vultr, Linode -- all depends on which combination of extras you need
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aaronpk
anyone have any experience flattening a wordpress site into static HTML?
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bear
yep - many many rounds of xml export -> python cleanup scripts to get the words and images into a file structure
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bear
I use pelican-import
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aaronpk
oh yeah I guess I could do it that way
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aaronpk
tho I'd probably go the route of middleman or something since I'm more on the ruby side
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aaronpk
I was hoping I could just export the actual HTML wordpress is generating and avoid reformatting and rebuilding everything
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bear
I use pelican-import to generate all of the files in a clean manner - didn't end up using it at the end
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bear
that sounds like you want to spider your own site and then extract the body content with images references
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aaronpk
pretty much
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aaronpk
i basically want to do what archive.org is doing
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aaronpk
but i can't find any good information on *how* to do that
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sparverius
so, i'm looking to slap about 100GB of files somewhere, and occasionally unzip large chunks of data once or twice a day for backups
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sparverius
any suggestions for providers that wont get pissed?
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aaronpk
amazon
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bear
amazon
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tonious
aaronpk: Try wget --mirror?
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aaronpk
tonious: everyone keeps saying that but then i usually end up hitting weird edge cases with it
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bear
I use scrapy for my web crawling and archivning needs
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tonious
Fair enough.
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aaronpk
scrapy looks promising
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bear
scrapy is nice because you define the allowed domains so it will avoid also archiving anything you link to
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aaronpk
i'm gonna give that a shot
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aaronpk
hm scrapy seems to be more about selecting specific bits of a page
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aaronpk
can't find examples of using it to make a complete archive
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bear
I wonder if I mixed up my memory - let me go look at the code I last used for an archive...
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bear
so, the code I used was some old crufty python code and feeling bad for giving you some old info I went and found out what Internet Archive uses
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aaronpk
i think i'm gonna write one in node really quick... we'll see how this goes
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bear
in "theory" it's a queue of urls to process
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bear
but the good ones also dig into CSS and extract that data
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GWG
kylewm: Saw your statement on PushPress. Look at the last changelog for it.
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kylewm
GWG: not seeing anything interesting on https://wordpress.org/plugins/pushpress/changelog/
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aaronpk
whee almost got it
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GWG
The first entry
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kylewm
Make sure to only output the hub information in feeds?
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GWG
It doesn't consider h-feed as a feed.
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kylewm
oh yeah i know
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kylewm
i'm subscribing to your xml feed
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GWG
Wondering if it is worth exploring.
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GWG
If it becomes more popular..
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kylewm
GWG: if the pushpress hub is 0.3, which i suspect it is, that might be more work than you want to bargain for
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kylewm
0.3 is Atom/Rss only
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KartikPrabhu
kylewm: nice woodwind logo
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GWG
There isn't a php hub I could install?
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kylewm
KartikPrabhu: thanks! :)
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distresssignal.org
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kylewm
GWG: honestly I don't know if there are any (other) php implementations. Google's reference implementation is appengine/python and seems v. outdated
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kylewm
but you can just delegate to a third party hub, like the one at appspot or superfeedr
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aaronpk
i'll probably make a hub at some point, but for now, happy to use someone else's
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ben_thatmustbeme
did we just get botted in #indiechat?
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kylewm
what does that mean?
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gRegor`
Excluding your nodebod? ;)
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gRegor`
*nodebot
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ben_thatmustbeme
yes, tfontaine just reads like spam bot
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gRegor`
awkward
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gRegor`
Nope, that's my friend Tyler
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gRegor`
He made a bot to ping his internet connection, because they're crap
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gRegor`
(the ISP)
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ben_thatmustbeme
so I have been trying to figure out a way to get my nickserv password to store on my site
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kylewm
oh funny, i didn't read that as spammy at all
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ben_thatmustbeme
i'm thinking of doing it as a config endpoint, and then it just has to request a token with scope=configs or something
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ben_thatmustbeme
but i HAVE to store passwords in the clear when doing it this way... which i don't really like the precendent of without a clear listing of what passwords it will be getting access to
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ben_thatmustbeme
but do i do scope=freenode_password,aim_password
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kylewm
why would you want that?
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aaronpk
oh nice
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aaronpk
that is exactly what scope is for :)
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ben_thatmustbeme
the idea being to log in to a site (like the irc-logs for example) with indieauth and have it be able to make all the connections I need
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ben_thatmustbeme
thats going to be a lot of scopes though
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ben_thatmustbeme
or would it be better to store scope as <myapp>_configs
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ben_thatmustbeme
and then it has its own private space to store configs
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ben_thatmustbeme
thus only enter my PWs once on the service, but know that it isn't going to access i didn't input in that app
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ben_thatmustbeme
kylewm, my hope is to create a single place that I host, that i can do all my messaging and chatting from
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ben_thatmustbeme
and log on my own terms, display on my own terms
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ben_thatmustbeme
no more AIM, and IRC clients
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kylewm
#OwnYourBitlbee
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aaronpk
waits for ben_thatmustbeme to try to find an iMessage client library
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ben_thatmustbeme
that would be lovely
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ben_thatmustbeme
i'm not there yet
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ben_thatmustbeme
i really wish it did google voice too
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ben_thatmustbeme
send and receive texts and such
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ben_thatmustbeme
but i don't think they have an API anymore
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ben_thatmustbeme
i'll have to look in to that
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aaronpk
they never had an API
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ben_thatmustbeme
only for mobile integration
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aaronpk
I reverse engineered it at one point and made a php library
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kylewm
Pidgin has a Skype integration that actually requires skype to be running
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aaronpk
it's still my most popular github repo :(
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kylewm
it's awful
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ben_thatmustbeme
one option is go the pushbullet route and need an app on your phone to do it all through
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ben_thatmustbeme
what is pushbullet
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Loqi
Pushbullet is a free service that sends rich notifications to your Android or iOS device, as well as various web browsers https://indiewebcamp.com/Pushbullet
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aaronpk
you could script imessage with applescript
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aaronpk
leave an old mac running at home and write an API on top of it
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aaronpk
i've been tempted to do that for a while. in the mean time I have a script running that downloads my imessage history and converts to static html files
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ben_thatmustbeme
there are some imessage node plugins
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ben_thatmustbeme
s/plugins/libraries
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Loqi
ben_thatmustbeme meant to say: there are some imessage node libraries
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gRegor`
Ugh. Forget it all. I'm going back to telegrams. Stop.
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gRegor`
"With today's update, Twitter is bringing the same tools to reporting impersonation, self-harm, and the inappropriate posting of personal information. Now third-party accounts can report those violations of Twitter's terms of service using the same simplified workflow."
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gRegor`
That sounds particularly good. Last time I tried to report on behalf of someone else, it basically halted me once I indicated the report wasn't about me.
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atomicules
Hello all. I have been slowly working through my blog archives adding microformats. I have a question around the use of h-cite for nested quotations.
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Loqi
slack/kevinmarks: Coming back to the channel after a bit of time, our Web archive is better than the slack view on mobile (android) by a long way.
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gRegor`
Hi atomicules! Shoot.
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atomicules
I have some posts I imported from Tumblr to Jekyll where I reblogged people. Does this kind of markup make sense: https://gist.github.com/atomicules/32f17cf337b3da0f2661
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atomicules
I've had to add divs so I can get the root class h-cite correct. At least I *think* it's what I need to do.
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gregorlove.com
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atomicules
Ok. Great. Thanks. Anything else you'd recommend I add in mark-up wise or shall I go ahead with that idea?
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gRegor`
I *think* the h-cite could just be on the blockquotes, if the top-most u-repost-of link was moved within the blockquote. Then the extra divs wouldn't be necessary. But that could be tricky to automate
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atomicules
Ok, I will have a look at that. Automation isn't a worry at the moment. I'm manually fixing awkward imported posts like these.
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gRegor`
It would also require the top-most item is wrapped in a blockquote. Shouldn't affect the parser, though, just less HTML.
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gRegor`
<blockquote class="h-cite"> person 2 said . . . <blockquote class="h-cite"> . . . </blockquote> </blockquote>
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atomicules
I have updated my Jekyll includes and templates to add in microformats for any posts I'd created natively under Jekyll.
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atomicules
Thanks gRegor. I shall have a look at that option this weekend.
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gRegor`
You're welcome!
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gRegor`
Have you logged in to the wiki already? You can add yourself to http://indiewebcamp.com/IRC_People
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aaronpk
my website archiver crawler thing is working :)
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aaronpk
I had to force it to run synchronously because when it was making a bunch of parallel requests it would crash the server that wordpress was on within a few seconds
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kylewm
way to go nodejs
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aaronpk
kinda scary that i could probably take down a bunch of websites with this script
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atomicules
gRegor': I'll see about adding myself.
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Loqi
slack/kevinmarks: Reminds me of when Aaron Swartz took down Technorati by fetching links to all of Congress in parallel
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Loqi
slack/kevinmarks: I would suggest serving wp statically, but that's what you're trying to do I presume. What do the crashes look like? MySQL getting blocked?
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aaronpk
KevinMarks_: yeah I'm trying to archive a site which is a combination of wordpress and a ruby app
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aaronpk
once I turn it into a pile of html i can host it anywhere
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aaronpk
the server just runs out of ram and then crashes
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Loqi
slack/pwcc: aaronpk: Are you accross Loqi's confusion with /nick instrucitosn in slack? <https://indiewebcamp.slack.com/archives/indiewebcamp/p1424939860000967>
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Loqi
slack/aaronpk: haha
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Loqi
slack/aaronpk: oops!
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Loqi
slack/pwcc: She's still learning.
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Loqi
slack/pwcc: or he? Do amphomorphic bots have a pronoun?
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aaronpk
Loqi: a/s/l
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Loqi
204441464/bot/internet
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Loqi
slack/pwcc: Loqi++ ★, +1 etc
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Loqi
slack/kevinmarks: Trickster gods get to choose
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vanderwal.net
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tantek
oh hey welcome vanderwal!
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vanderwal
tantek hello
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tantek.com
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tantek.com
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kylewm
kind of a cool looking tool for building Wordpress sites https://roots.io/
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kylewm
the first guy on the about page is Ben Word, and I kind of feel like we have to get him to join #indiewebcamp
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Loqi
slack/pwcc: Lowercase p dangit for Jetpack. Going in now.
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peterwilson.cc
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Loqi
slack/pwcc: kylewm: looks nice.
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acegiak
oh hey look, I DO have the lamp stack installed on my desktop!
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acegiak
kylewm: then we would have benwerd, benward, benword and ben_thatmustbeme :S