#indiewebcamp 2015-03-17

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bear ah - ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED
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bear check that your web socket service is listening on both ws and wss ?
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: pwcc: can bridgy see if there is a *-content property and not just a *-summary to decide whether to go looking into the permalink or not?
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: that's not why it goes into the permalink ... it's looking for u-syndication links
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KartikPrabhu aah I see. so if there is a u-syndication on the feeds page itself then no need to go hunting into the permalink right?
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: yep
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kylewm bear: thank you for testing. i'm going to try proxying the websockets connection through nginx later tonight ... i think that's the right way to fix it
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bear oh, if your not, yes it is :)
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bear nginx or haproxy will really help with this - route all http/ws -> https/wss and just worry about one endpoint
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bear nginx is by far easier, just add these two magic lines:
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bear proxy_set_header Upgrade $http_upgrade;
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bear proxy_set_header Connection "upgrade";
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bear to your location {} block
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tantek kylewm: that's a *great* followup by inkdroid.org
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tantek he extrapolated nearly everything I was implying. loved it.
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tantek I'll also note that http://inkdroid.org/journal/2015/03/12/javascript-and-archives/ is completely beautifully readable - without executing any JS
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pdurbin edrex: I didn't mean to derail your point about offline editing at http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-16#t1426545919175 . I'm not sure I want to edit stuff in a phone browser though. I'm thinking native Android app. Something that can preview markdown. And do a `git push`, ideally.
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pdurbin I'd even settle for multiple apps. More Unix-y that way. :)
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aaronpk +1 for multiple apps!
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tantek +1 for offline editing, but why multiple apps?
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aaronpk special-purpose
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aaronpk like how Checkie will always be faster/easier to use than any multiple-purpose posting app
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tantek aaronpk - I see what you mean - in some sense you're treating the homescreen with all the apps as buttons as your top level "app" where you choose post type ;)
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tantek s/as your/in your
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Loqi tantek meant to say: aaronpk - I see what you mean - in some sense you're treating the homescreen with all the apps as buttons in your top level "app" where you choose post type ;)
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KevinMarks_ I've been impressed with phone browsers not losing state on android
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KevinMarks_ It's iOS that flushes state all the time
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KevinMarks_ Especially with in-app browsers in fb/twitter
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aaronpk yes exactly
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aaronpk KevinMarks_: i can't even switch apps on ios without the browser losing state!
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tantek pretty much
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tantek aaronpk, I have a jwz for that
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tantek http://www.jwz.org/blog/2012/04/browser-cache-do-you-speak-it/
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tantek (it's like having an xkcd for something)
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tantek (except jwz doesn't number his sequentially)
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tantek (which does make sequential blog post numbering tempting)
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bengo Localize your indieweb space. :) https://github.com/Localizejs/node-localizejs-seo (Friend's product they just launched this server-side integration recently
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bengo only relevant to http://indiewebcamp.com/Indie.js for now
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tantek what is localize?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "localize" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=localize&summary=prompted+by+tantek+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-03-16%2Fline%2F1426553093015
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bengo Do you mean "Localize" or "Localize.js" (or both?)
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bengo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Localization
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bengo Localize.js is A small company building a platform to make Localization of web pages as easy as possible.
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tantek bengo - you could create it as a disambiguation page
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tantek I think Loqi only creates a page for the term asked about
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tantek e.g.
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tantek what is Localize.js?
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bengo Got it
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Localize.js" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=Localize.js&summary=prompted+by+tantek+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-03-16%2Fline%2F1426553188163
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tantek now try
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bengo Localize.js is A small company building a platform to make Localization of web pages as easy as possible.
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loqi.me created /Localize.js (+132) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-16/line/1426553188163 and dfn added by bengo" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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bengo Love that!
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tantek bengo++
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Loqi bengo has 5 karma
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tantek it's pretty amazing
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bengo What is the 'noun' for an indie...thing
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bengo like mine vs yours
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bengo indiespace?
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bengo http://www.w3.org/Submission/sioc-spec/img/main_classes_properties.png
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tantek bengo - um, you mean your data?
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bengo I mean... the set of services I run to power my indieweb?
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tantek stays away from anything that uses subclasses as superclasses are almost always architecture astronomy ;)
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tantek bengo, your software?
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tantek so I started writing a blog post about "What is the social web?" and decided when I got off the plane, I'd websearch (non-corp-specific term) for it and see what others had said
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Loqi The social web refers to the subset of the web that has social content, that is, content, like posts, which has obvious visible authorship (even if pseudonymous), and mentions other people or other social web content, via URL reference, not just name https://indiewebcamp.com/social_web
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tantek wow is Google bad at this dfn
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tantek oh of course we have a definition
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tantek lol
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tantek thank you Loqi for reminding me that I've been here before :P
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Loqi :)
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@kevinmarks @waxpancake you know that the #indieweb crew would love to talk to you about that. (twitter.com/_/status/577635461423767552)
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tantek KevinMarks: silos gonna silo
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tantek Tell me again how using silo-based identity and login is better for users when the silo shuts you off.
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tantek wonders if aaronpk has had to hardcode a timezone fix for tantek.com posts :/
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aaronpk i'm about to have to yes
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aaronpk they're all GMT right now
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tantek dang ok where did I capture this
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tantek apparently not on the wiki :/
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tantek hmm
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tantek giving myself a bug report
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tantek.com edited /Falcon (+587) "/* Bug Reports */ dt-published needs timezone" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk - could you confirm / expand the note about Monocle here? https://indiewebcamp.com/Falcon#dt-published_needs_timezone
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aaronpk Looks good, tho you could say "posts appear in GMT" instead of "causes problems"
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tantek well - it's a problem if it miscommunicates the time of post
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aaronpk I guess I was suggesting to be more specific
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tantek.com edited /Falcon (+395) "/* Itches */ PESOS Nike Running" (view diff)
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GWG I keep wondering what to do with all this 'life' data that would be interesting to someone other than me.
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tantek alright, I think I'm going to want to ownyourruns with https://indiewebcamp.com/Falcon#PESOS_Nike_Running
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bengo @tantek what did you mean by "[18:03:36] <@tantek> Tell me again how using silo-based identity and login is better for users when the silo shuts you off.
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bengo "
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bengo "shuts you off"
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bengo Like a social network goes bankrupt and deletes your acct?
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tantek bengo - it was a Willy Wonka meme
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bengo ah ok lol
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tantek bengo - no, this: http://www.fastcompany.com/3043716/sxsw/twitter-only-gave-meerkat-2-hours-notice-before-cutting-access-to-the-social-graph
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bengo Oh yeah, saw that headline.
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bengo Facebook API changes ruined my last three weeks. :)
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tantek bengo - sorry to hear that :(
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tantek bengo - I encourage you to add to http://indiewebcamp.com/Facebook#Criticism
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tantek bengo - link found via: https://twitter.com/waxpancake/status/577634498193461248
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@waxpancake As someone working on a site that will use the Twitter social graph, this bums me out. http://www.fastcompany.com/3043716/sxsw/twitter-only-gave-meerkat-2-hours-notice-before-cutting-access-to-the-social-graph (twitter.com/_/status/577634498193461248)
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tantek via KevinMarks reply to that
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bengo I politely refuse so that I don't risk my employer being kicked off this page :) https://developers.facebook.com/docs/mediasolutions
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tantek js;dr ;)
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bengo Ah I hadn't read it yet :) http://tantek.com/2015/069/t1/js-dr-javascript-required-dead
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bengo I agree but can see the path toward Custom Elements helping a ton.
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@t @rektide while IndieWebCamp has http://indiewebcamp.com/principles & http://indiewebcamp.com/code-of-conduct My “focus” referred to Social Web f2f. (ttk.me t4aA3) (twitter.com/_/status/577646585263194112)
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bengo This didn't use Web Components, but you can see how this JS widget enabled extra features by the web publisher adding MARKUP, not JS
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bengo https://github.com/gobengo/personalized-feed-stub#loading-screen
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bengo (it should also be able to bootstrap it's news feed content from markup rendered by the server too)
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tantek bengo yes I'm optimistic about custom elements as a particularly useful subset of the grand Web Components vision
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bengo Really wish I could make to to Cambrige this week :)
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tantek bengo - yeah!
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GWG I have to figure out what time I'm aiming for to get there
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bengo Can't though. Mom's visiting SF. Will be in the IRCs though. Are there video casts planned?
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tantek can you remote participate? http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Cambridge/Guest_List#Remote_Participants
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bengo perfect thx
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GWG bengo: I'm doing some half-measures.
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tantek GWG is going to have an awesome setup ;)
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bengo GWG++
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Loqi GWG has 87 karma
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GWG tantek: You might replace some with ful after this.
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tantek GWG I believe in you :)
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GWG I have a 2 pronged attack
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GWG A small tablet, USB microphone, and HD camera on a stand.
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GWG Also, as a backup, I have an audio recorder
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bengo.is edited /2015/Cambridge/Guest_List (+258) "Add bengo.is to Remote Participants" (view diff)
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tantek bengo++ for a great domain!
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Loqi bengo has 6 karma
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bengo the semweb possibilities are dangerously endless..
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bengo bengo.is/priveleged
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bengo Tonight I'll try to learn enough about (I think web mentions?) to reply to this http://tantek.com/2015/069/t1/js-dr-javascript-required-dead
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bengo Or is that micropub?
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tantek webmentions
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tantek what is a webmention?
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Loqi Webmention is a simple way to notify any URL when you link to it on your site https://indiewebcamp.com/Webmention
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bengo (thx)
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tantek bengo are you posting notes already?!?
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bengo oh I need that first. That's micro pub right?
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bengo Well I guess it doesn't have to be if all I want is webmentions
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tantek sure - or you can manually upload them to your site at their permalinks all static style ;)
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tantek you need a /URL_design first ;)
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bengo Yeah that's what I was just thinking
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bengo What is URL Design?
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Loqi URL design is the practice of deliberately designing URLs, in particular, permalinks, typically for a better UX for everyone who creates, reads, and shares content https://indiewebcamp.com/URL_design
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bengo I have a plan for this
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bengo I also registered bengo.pub :)
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bengo bengo.pub/GUID
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GWG What would everyone think of an audio only IWC recording?
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bengo canonical URL for all things. Other things can redirect or rel=canonical to that
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tantek bengo - sounds good! have you added that to your User: page? what is wikifying?
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Loqi wikifying is the practice of putting stuff on the wiki, or something in particular on the wiki https://indiewebcamp.com/wikifying
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bengo @GWG if the convs are more likely to be audible that way, it's a good backup plan
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bengo I will make a User page
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tantek and add yourself to https://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people
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tantek then you'll show up all cool and linked and with photo in the logs!
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bengo.is created /User:Bengo.is (+390) "Add bengo.is User page" (view diff)
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bengo (Added some progress about what I did this weekend)
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@t Note: @edsu’s post reads *beautifully* without ANY Javascript being loaded. Fast too. #WordPress #indieweb #nojsneeded (ttk.me t4aA5) (twitter.com/_/status/577653291435229184)
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tantek so good: https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/577653850158407680
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@BrendanEich @t @edsu Always bet on text! (twitter.com/_/status/577653850158407680)
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bengo Should I be able to log in here with indieauth/openid delegation? http://inkdroid.org/journal/wp-login.php?redirect_to=http%3A%2F%2Finkdroid.org%2Fjournal%2F2015%2F03%2F12%2Fjavascript-and-archives%2F
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bengo https://aaronparecki.com/articles/2013/09/15/1/indieauth-now-supports-openid-delegation
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tantek huh fascinating!
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bengo I think I followed the instructions, but can't log into that Wordpress with bengo.is
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tantek yes! good point - need to POSSE my comment there too!
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tantek bengo, let me try
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tantek hah - logging in "worked" but redirected me to http://inkdroid.org/journal/wp-admin/profile.php
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bengo You use your indieweb domain as the opened thing?
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bengo What's wrong with mine :( http://bengo.is/
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tantek yes - just typed in tantek.com into the openid field and it gave me the indieauth flow
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bengo Maybe needs to be in <head>
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tantek yeah openid delegation is fragile :/
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tantek hmm - looks like logging in to comment may require JS
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tantek reloading with JS
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tantek no that's odd - loading his JS doesn't help
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bengo What happens if you do bengo.is in that field?
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tantek this might be the weird quirkiness with WordPress OpenID plugin where it still makes you "create" another account, just based on your openid. which I can't be bothered with
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tantek bengo I get an error:
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tantek "Could not discover an OpenID identity server endpoint at the url: bengo.is
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tantek Could not discover an OpenID identity server endpoint at the url: bengo.is"
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bengo Yeah same. Lame.
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tantek recheck your <link> headers? feel free to copy / paste from mine at tantek.com
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bengo Weird. Mine were in a different order, but I copy pasted your exact ones and changed the delegate to me. Still no work. Oh well will try again later.
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tantek very strange
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tantek bengo - compare this hassle with openid delegation with how much work was it for you to setup rel=me
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bengo FWIW I've been working on accounts.livefyre.com as an OpenID Connect Provider (we have an impl in QA and a few RPs), and it's so much better than go OpenID
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tantek can we get livefyre to support indieauth?
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bengo Perhaps indirectly.
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bengo See: https://github.com/Livefyre/auth
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tantek gah - so many things to blog and code before tomorrow morning (!!!) and this week in general
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bengo Actually
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bengo ah, bummer
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bengo We have OpenID and I just tried bengo.is with it, and I did get to indieauth.com to confirm
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bengo But redirected back to useless place
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tantek delegated identity is hard, let's go siloing
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bengo You sound like you'd be good in Marketing :P
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tantek hey I'm not even at SXSW!
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bengo SocialWG+IndieWebCamp is more fun anyway IMO. Less hangovers or more?
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tantek MUCH less
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bengo FWIW we use Janrain as an OpenID bridge thingy. I see this error: "Other OpenID authentication error: Error verifying signature with the OP: null"
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bengo http://janrain.com/
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tantek and a great feeling of comradery and accomplishment when you get stuff working on your site
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tantek there was a time where we did that at SXSW too
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tantek and things like XFN got invented, *at* SXSW
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bengo Slick
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bengo I have a hypothesis that ANY indieweb solution that is specific to a single Content-Type will have too many haters to matter
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bengo e.g. XHTML, AS2+JSON
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bengo Which is why the right-column of this made me so happy http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/WD-activitystreams-vocabulary-20150129/#object-types
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bengo Heading home. I'll attempt to post a note later.
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tantek cool - great progress today
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bengo @tantek thanks!
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tantek is meme a post type?
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tantek or would that just be a degenerate comic?
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tantek (single frame)
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tantek asking because the text of the meme should be available separately
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tantek or as fallback at least
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tantek and yet - memes images don't usually have titles / names - their text reads more like notes
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tantek what is a meme?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "meme" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=meme&summary=prompted+by+tantek+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-03-16%2Fline%2F1426560536989
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tantek meme is a [[post]] type consisting of a funny or provocative image with a brief text [[note]] overlaid on top of it, usually in white all capitals text outlined in black, similar to a single-pane [[comic]], yet with text that reads like prose rather than a caption.
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loqi.me created /meme (+292) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-16/line/1426560536989 and dfn added by tantek" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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GWG http://m.geekbuying.com/item/Original-Xiaomi-Mibox-Mini-FHD-Media-Player-MT8685-Android-4-4-Quad-Core-1GB-RAM-4GB-ROM-1080P-Bluetooth---White-342514.html
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GWG oops
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GWG Didn't mean to hit paste
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@filevisa @indiewebcamp Hi, we are giving away beta access to new secure filesharing site. Hope to help journalists and lawyers. Join in? (twitter.com/_/status/577667876909363200)
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tantek wat
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tantek @filevisa do you have any In-Q-Tel funding?
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Loqi [bridgy] Lea Verou RSVPed maybe to http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Cambridge (https://www.facebook.com/437461433068146#10153101399756192)
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tantek.com edited /Falcon (+93) "/* dt-published needs timezone */ reword problems" (view diff)
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tantek ok let's fix this
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aaronpk what's the trick for checking whether "name" is the same as "content"?
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aaronpk i'm trying to tell if the "name" property is autogenerated or actually a blog post title
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: match content[value] with name after stripping leading/trailing blanks?
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aaronpk hm nothing is here http://indiewebcamp.com/h-entry#How_to_consume_h-entry
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aaronpk KartikPrabhu: so far i'm doing this: strip html tags, remove html entities (&#xx;), remove all non-alphanumeric, lowercase, and then compare
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aaronpk and it's *still* not working on some posts
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk why not use content[value] which iirc is without the HTML tags anyway
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KartikPrabhu hmm but that might not be the problem
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aaronpk hm i could try that... but i'd have to go refactor a bunch cause i'm not storing that at this point yet
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aaronpk right now it's failing on http://tantek.com/2015/073/t1/big-basin-morning-run
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aaronpk it's working on a bunch of tantek's other posts tho
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aaronpk it appears the p-name has added the alt text of the image
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aaronpk content[value] also has it
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aaronpk so KartikPrabhu you're right, that would probably fix it comparing content[value] and name
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aaronpk this is unfortunate
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aaronpk i think i'm gonna have to put this off until after my "like" button is hooked up
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GWG You plan on hooking up a like button?
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aaronpk in the reader yeah
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KartikPrabhu \o/ i was right :P
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tantek aaronpk perhaps on comments-display?
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aaronpk tantek: nothing on comments-presentation about displaying a post with content *and* a name
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aaronpk it's just about whether to use the content or the name
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aaronpk now i'm curious how kylewm did it
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tantek not sure he documented it
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kylewm how i distinguish name from content?
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aaronpk kylewm: how do you know if the name should be displayed as a title?
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kylewm pretty sure i did document my algorithm somewhere
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kylewm one sec
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kylewm if worst comes to worst, this comment is pretty descriptive https://github.com/kylewm/mf2util/blob/master/mf2util/util.py#L192
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aaronpk yup that's about what i did
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aaronpk problem is i'm starting with the html content, not the plaintext content, so i have to change that
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kylewm you don't have the parsed mf2?
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aaronpk i threw in an inline audio player because why not :D https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8628/16218415454_0634a5cd2d_b.jpg
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aaronpk kylewm: i only have the content[html] from the parsed mf2 at this point
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aaronpk i need to switch it to filter on the way in before I store the data, rather than comparing on display, that way i have access to the content[text]
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kylewm gotcha
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tantek and now having to fix timezones on likes
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aaronpk srsly timezones
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tantek and this is where my adjacent like compression cleverness bites me
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aaronpk hmm i did not think through the timing of this
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tantek timing?
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aaronpk i'm going to be finishing this on the plane, but then that means i'm going to arrive in boston in the morning, and i'll need to deploy it to a server
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tantek fortunately API discussions / demos aren't until after lunch
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tantek morning is activity streams
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aaronpk ah true!
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GWG tantek: Keep us posted.
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GWG You usually narrate these things
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tantek still trying to fix my timezones before then
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tantek GWG - you should lurk in the W3C # social channel
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tantek irc://irc.w3.org/social
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GWG What is usually discussed in there?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "usually discussed in there" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=usually+discussed+in+there&summary=prompted+by+GWG+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-03-16%2Fline%2F1426567243560
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tantek GWG - that's the channel for the W3C Social Web Working Group
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tantek which is the meeting we're attending tomorrow
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tantek GWG: this: https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2015-03-17
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bengo #social is extremely quiet (in the few days I've been on IRC)
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kylewm after upgrading to a version of nginx from this decade, finally have websockets serving over https!
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kylewm bear++ advice was super helpful
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Loqi bear has 58 karma
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GWG kylewm: I need to scroll back. I wanted to do that to get around webportals
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tantek bengo - it's bursty - during meetings it gets busy
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bengo makes sense
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tantek then all the email people go back to their mailing lists and write essays to each other
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tantek it's nice and self-selecting like that
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kylewm GWG: I'm not sure what you mean by webportals. this is just ferrying connections through :80 to the websocket server running on :8077
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GWG kylewm: That is what I need to get past filtering on open wifi networks.
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tantek hmm - I have TZ offset output happening, now to fix it to do DST / ST properly
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pwcc I'm autogenerating titles - Noted <date> - for the HTML title and currently on p-name. Is that unwise?
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pwcc tantek: have fun there - the one reason I'd dump DST.
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kylewm pwcc: do you want the date to appear as a title in a feed reader?
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kylewm (that's the effect that setting p-name = the date would have)
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tantek yeah I just wrote some code like: if (date('I', strtotime($d)))
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pwcc kylewm: I think i do - trying to avoid the title & content both displaying as the same thing.
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pwcc I prefer the date as title over the content appearing twice. Context makes such a difference.
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kylewm pwcc: my 2c, I wouldn't want that :) indiereaders will know better than to display the content twice. (and for other readers, you can do whatever you want in the rss/atom feed)
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pwcc what are indiereaders?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "indiereaders" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=indiereaders&summary=prompted+by+pwcc+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-03-16%2Fline%2F1426569186135
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kylewm indiereaders are /indiereader
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loqi.me created /indiereaders (+24) "prompted by pwcc https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-16/line/1426569186135 and dfn added by kylewm" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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kylewm oops, double redirect
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aaronpk kylewm: are you serving websockets through nginx?
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kylewm pwcc: check out Woodwind if you have time! https://reader.kylewm.com/
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kylewm aaronpk: yes, I am now
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aaronpk Oh nice! I need to do that
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aaronpk Right now I'm running them on a different port
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aaronpk How'd you do that?
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kylewm that's what I was doing too, but just having ssl support broke both the http and https versions
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pwcc kylewm: will do, thanks.
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aaronpk Having it behind nginx is great because then only nginx needs to terminate ssl
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kylewm aaronpk: literally just added this bit https://gist.github.com/kylewm/451c59261e3a749b0536
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kylewm and upgraded nginx to >= 1.3
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aaronpk wow okay
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kylewm Ubuntu 12.04 was on 1.1, which was too old
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aaronpk Yeah I always install nginx from source
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kylewm -- the most interesting man in the world
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aaronpk lol
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pwcc kylewm: have set up an issue to reconsider titles around your advise. Another to fix indieauth so I can check out woodwind.
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@jevdemon Finally figured out how to get webmentions working. The more I learn about IndieWeb the more I like it. https://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (twitter.com/_/status/577731655420375041)
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bengo https://nameid.org/
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Loqi [bridgy] Benjamin Goering favorited a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (https://twitter.com/jevdemon/status/577731655420375041)
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@kevinmarks RT @jevdemon: Finally figured out how to get webmentions working. The more I learn about IndieWeb the more I like it. https://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (twitter.com/_/status/577748173545844736)
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@roundtrip RT @jevdemon: Finally figured out how to get webmentions working. The more I learn about IndieWeb the more I like it. https://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (twitter.com/_/status/577750876208627712)
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Loqi [bridgy] Greg Lloyd retweeted a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (https://twitter.com/roundtrip/status/577750876208627712)
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Loqi [bridgy] Kevin Marks retweeted a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/577748173545844736)
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Loqi [bridgy] Greg Lloyd favorited a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (https://twitter.com/jevdemon/status/577731655420375041)
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cweiske loqi, stop echoing those faves
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Loqi :)
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cweiske :(
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Loqi [bridgy] Andrew S. Chen favorited a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (https://twitter.com/jevdemon/status/577731655420375041)
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pfefferle good morning
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petermolnar good morning
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aaronpk good morning from Boston!
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pdurbin rainy Boston
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pdurbin aaronpk: welcome!
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aaronpk thanks!
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Loqi [bridgy] R. R. Mutt favorited a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (https://twitter.com/jevdemon/status/577731655420375041)
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aaronpk kylewm: are you doing anything fancy when you encounter a u-photo in an entry? or do you just display the content html?
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aaronpk just realized he hasn't even thought about refreshing feeds yet :P
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tantek got timezones working
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tantek about to deploy
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aaronpk nice!
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aaronpk luckily i have a manual refresh button
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aaronpk damn! parsing failed on ben_thatmustbeme's site!
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GWG Good morning, all.
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aaronpk ah it was cause i was taking a shortcut for authorship discovery
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tantek timezone fix deployed
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aaronpk okay timezones are annoying
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petermolnar aaronpk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5wpm-gesOY
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tantek and looks like both pin13.net/mf2 and kylewm.com/services tests are seeing it
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aaronpk i need to make a php DateTime object given a timezone offset rather than a named timezone
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aaronpk or i can do the timezone offset myself... hmm
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tantek.com edited /Falcon () "(-700) /* Bug Reports */ dt-published has timezone now in all post types (notes, articles, likes) ! all the way back to the start 2010-01-01 :)" (view diff)
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tantek haha poetic that fixing that was -700 (which is my home timezone now, PDT -0700)
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aaronpk lol
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tantek !tell kylewm, barnabywalters I finally fixed timezones in Falcon posts and deployed (tantek.com) - see if your readers (or other contexts) work. Tested with both phpmf2 and mf2py and parsed output looks good.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk fixed!
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aaronpk okay i'm heading over!
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tantek great!
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aaronpk wow ben's are looking weird too
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: your short URL is showing up in the name and content of your posts, I don't think that's what you want
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GWG Where are you both staying in BOS out of curiosity?
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tantek GWG - in Cambridge
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aaronpk oh hey it's in the same room as indiewebcamp was in october!
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GWG I'm still trying to decide which project to work on at IWC. Someone suggested it be very visual.
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pdurbin http://episodes.gitminutes.com/2015/03/gitminutes-33-thom-parkin-on-mastering.html opened with a pretty heartfelt explanation by the host about how he puts the content he really cares about on a domain he controls.
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GWG petermolnar: Do you use pages on your site?
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ben_thatmustbeme aaronpk, thanks, adding it to my list of issues
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@jmsmcfrlnd RT @jevdemon: Finally figured out how to get webmentions working. The more I learn about IndieWeb the more I like it. https://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (twitter.com/_/status/577825174789173248)
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@nobantu 4 More Days of RegularTickets for #IIW XX: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/internet-identity-workshop-xx-20-2015a-tickets-14097972415 #identity #privacy #VRM #CRM #IoT #UMA #indieweb #unConference (twitter.com/_/status/577826868759506944)
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aaronpk kylewm: https://monocle.p3k.io/preview?url=https://kylewm.com/2015/03/now-running-recent-versions-of-nginx-and-python-from
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aaronpk :)
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aaronpk !tell barnabywalters looking good in Monocle! https://monocle.p3k.io/preview?url=https://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4a8FcA/
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: here's what i'm seeing for yours https://monocle.p3k.io/preview?url=https://ben.thatmustbe.me/note/2015/3/17/1/
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ben_thatmustbeme oh, the PSC/PSL
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ben_thatmustbeme yes, thats actually intentionally there so I can syndicate with brid.gy
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aaronpk it doesn't need to be in the e-content though
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ben_thatmustbeme it only appears if the post is shorter than 140 chars or so
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aaronpk it can be outside of the content but in the h-entry
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ben_thatmustbeme brid.gy will still pick that up?
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aaronpk oh wait i see
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ben_thatmustbeme maybe i'll just hide is with CSS on my site
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aaronpk that's not gonna help readers
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cweiske aaronpk, I try to login to monocle and only have an auth endpoint. monocle warns me that I can only read, which is fine. continuing the login process, it still tries to login with a response_type=code instead of id
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aaronpk cweiske: hmm good point
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aaronpk it shouldn't be asking for scope though
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cweiske yep
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aaronpk i think i'm going to have to add that to the indieauth docs
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ben_thatmustbeme true, you could trap PSCs and drop them
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aaronpk ben_thatmustbeme: ew weird, that seems like an ugly hack
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ben_thatmustbeme i'm testing every reply for a PSC already, so i don't think its that weird
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Loqi [bridgy] drainstop; refactor. favorited a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (https://twitter.com/jevdemon/status/577731655420375041)
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Loqi [bridgy] drainstop; refactor. retweeted a tweet that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/webmention (https://twitter.com/jmsmcfrlnd/status/577825174789173248)
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aaronpk hmm
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ben_thatmustbeme i'd have to do some crazy hackery to add PSC only on syndicated copies
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aaronpk i guess if your intent is to add a watermark to your posts, then you do in fact want readers and other consumers to get the PSC in the content
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ben_thatmustbeme if that were the case, I would add it to all
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aaronpk it's not on all of them?
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ben_thatmustbeme only on posts < 140, over that and they should including a link
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ben_thatmustbeme i'm kind of feeling like its more a hack for brid.gy
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aaronpk it is
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rhiaro.co.uk edited /User:Rhiaro.co.uk (+110) "/* Itches */" (view diff)
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bret buhhhh damnit, I forgot to get my proposal into open source bridge
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bret i
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aaronpk bret: !
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aaronpk they even extended the deadline!
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bret i'll see if I can sign up as a backup speaker
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bret i had a lot going on this weekend and I didnt make any reminders, >:[
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bret people cancel every year right?
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bret if i cant present at least i can spend some much needed time working on other indieweb projects
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bret Also the unconference day... forgot about that
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bret i can do a session there
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bret maybe like a "get on the indieweb with a semistatic site toolkit" and just walk people through it
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aaronpk plz hyphenate
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aaronpk semi-static
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bret lol k
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aaronpk looks really weird otherwise
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bret maginally improved webmention rendering http://bret.io/2015/02/13/-ux-2015/
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bret aaronpk++ for improving data coming from webmention.io way long ago
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@nobantu 4 More Days of RegularTickets for #IIW XX: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/internet-identity-workshop-xx-20-2015a-tickets-14097972415 #identity #privacy #VRM #CRM #IoT #UMA #indieweb #unConference (twitter.com/_/status/577884797453922304)
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gRegor` Howdy, ghost town #indiewebcamp :)
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aaronpk wanna be the second person other than me to add feeds to monocle?
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gRegor` Sure! I've been kicking the tires of /Woodwind and loving it, why not try another one? :)
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aaronpk :)
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gRegor` Does it require micropub? I don't have that.
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aaronpk you will find out
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aaronpk https://monocle.p3k.io
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gRegor` Hehe
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aaronpk sadly until sites support posting following lists via micropub you'll have to add your subscriptions to monocle as well as woodwind
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gRegor` I like that flow, warning the user they cannot reply/like
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gRegor` What does the filters feed do? Is that for only seeing certain tags?
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gRegor` s/feed/field/
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aaronpk yeah i'm gonna do a better job of reminding them once you're looking at items, but that's a good start
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Loqi gRegor` meant to say: What does the filters field do? Is that for only seeing certain tags?
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aaronpk yeah the filters make it so only posts matching the filter show up
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gRegor` Oh, so matches any text within the post?
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aaronpk yep
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gRegor` This looks nice. I like it
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aaronpk thanks!
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aaronpk i'm working on PuSH subscription now
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gRegor` Heh, trying to add a Twitter feed shows lots of disabled feed options
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aaronpk oh funny
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aaronpk yeah i haven't done twitter yet
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aaronpk and it only does microformats2 right now
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aaronpk going for MVP here
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aaronpk :)
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gRegor` MVP?
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aaronpk minimum viable product
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gRegor` Ah, right
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gRegor` Could only think of Most Valuable Player and that didn't make sense.
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aaronpk lol
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gRegor` tries to subscribe to Woodwind in Monocle. Nothing blows up.
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aaronpk oh god
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aaronpk woodwind has a public feed?
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gRegor` No message indicating 'no feed found' though either.
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gRegor` No
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gRegor` I'm just messing around with different URLs to see what it does
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aaronpk oh lol
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aaronpk oh it just disappears if no feeds are found. thanks.
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aaronpk okay being a PuSH consumer isn't so bad after all ;)
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@bookprescom Video Blogging: How to Become a Video Personality >> http://www.socialmediaexaminer.com/?p=78702&utm_content=buffer04590&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer #SocialMedia Tip from Michael Stelzner. #SelfPublish #IndieAuth… (twitter.com/_/status/577892411629797377)
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gRegor` I would think authors could spell out #IndieAuthor. It's just two more letters.
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aaronpk i'm guessing it's an auto-truncate thing
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aaronpk alrighty... let's see if i can start subscribing to hubs
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bengo Everyone in this room may find some interest in watching W3C IRC #socail today
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bengo they're having a f2f in boston
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bengo #social
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snarfed aaronpk: i'm assuming you plan to keep feeds in monocle private by default, right?
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kylewm aaronpk: I think I might have been the second person to subscribe in monocle, not gRegor` !!
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Loqi kylewm: tantek left you a message 5 hours, 59 minutes ago: I finally fixed timezones in Falcon posts and deployed (tantek.com) - see if your readers (or other contexts) work. Tested with both phpmf2 and mf2py and parsed output looks good. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-17/line/1426594591595
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aaronpk kylewm: note I said second person other than me :)
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kylewm oh! :D
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aaronpk you were the second
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aaronpk snarfed: I was actaully thinking public by default, but hadn't gotten that far yet
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aaronpk what are you thinking?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "you thinking" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=you+thinking&summary=prompted+by+aaronpk+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-03-17%2Fline%2F1426616231294
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aaronpk lol Loqi
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Loqi yeah!
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gRegor` My Monocle channel is 11, so . . .
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snarfed i'd strongly suggest private by default since some feeds definitely are private
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aaronpk the autoincrements started on my dev copy :P
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aaronpk and i made a few channels for myself
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KartikPrabhu where is my monocole!
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snarfed e.g. some silos offer your stream, notifs, etc via rss by giving you "secret" feed urls
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gRegor` https://monocle.p3k.io
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KartikPrabhu thanks
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gRegor` Agreed on feed privacy
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: nice logo
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aaronpk snarfed: true... I wonder if I could pre-populate a public/private checkbox based on whether the feed URL has a query string
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snarfed aaronpk: that was my instinct too…double checking...
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aaronpk i mean it'd be a UI hint, not an automatic thing
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snarfed ok yeah
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snarfed my two spot checks, facebook and goodreads notifs, both have query params
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aaronpk cool
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snarfed but agreed, i wouldn't depend on it. opt in feels right
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fkooman gRegor`: Undefined index: me
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Loqi fkooman: kylewm left you a message on 3/16 at 4:17pm: you successfully guilted me into setting up https on https://reader.kylewm.com :) http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-16/line/1426547832247
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gRegor` fkooman: ?
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aaronpk fkooman: did you get that after signing in to monocle?
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snarfed aaronpk++ for monocle
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fkooman aaronpk: i used indiecert, it doesn't provide me on the callback
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Loqi aaronpk has 742 karma
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KartikPrabhu hmm i don't understand the channels thing. do I put a feed URL in there?
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aaronpk KartikPrabhu: no it's just to let you organize your feeds
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fkooman aaronpk: it almost works :-)
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aaronpk fkooman: why didn't you return "me"?
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk: how do I subscribe to a feed then?
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gRegor` Top of "home"
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KartikPrabhu hmm ok trying again
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gRegor` Or whatever channel you set up.
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gRegor` I just noticed the "Channels" page, heh
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snarfed aaronpk: just fyi, i subscribed to a twitter mf2 feed via https://twitter-activitystreams.appspot.com/ , and the channels page shows that it fetched successfully, but i don't see the tweets on my monocle home page
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snarfed (i think kylewm has woodwind consuming twitter-activitystreams.appspot.com, but it might be using the atom format. not sure.)
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kylewm snarfed: that's correct
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snarfed bbi20
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fkooman aaronpk: i wondered why i should return me, it is technically not needed, but I'll implement it :)
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KartikPrabhu hmmm i don't see any place to put feed urls. I get the tabs for channels and the lower menu bar also with channels and sign out
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gRegor` Odd
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gRegor` No subscribe_box in the source?
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KartikPrabhu no
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KartikPrabhu will play around more in the evening and make screenshots or something
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gRegor` "Did you try turning it off and on again?"
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KartikPrabhu lol yes. loggedn out and back in
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Loqi [bridgy] Andreas Kuckartz +1ed a post http://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://plus.google.com/+BenWerdmuller/posts/MSW9iFVG23y)
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Loqi [bridgy] Robert Lord +1ed a post http://indiewebcamp.com/ (https://plus.google.com/+BenWerdmuller/posts/MSW9iFVG23y)
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fkooman aaronpk: it works now with indiecert :-)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: I am posting to my site using the micropub client at http:/// - it will post to any micropub site (twitter.com/_/status/577900566661230592)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: I just posted to my site http://known.kevinmarks.com/2015/responding-to-aarons-note-using-his-tool-at-new using http:/// too (twitter.com/_/status/577900806877364224)
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fkooman kylewm: but i cannot login anywhere?
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kylewm fkooman: you don't see a login button on https://reader.kylewm.com/ ?
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fkooman kylewm: no... "March 17, 2015
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fkooman Oh man, monocle.p3k.io looks b"
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kylewm sounds like your browser is still redirecting you to kylewm.com
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kylewm try opening in a private tab
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fkooman kylewm: ah, you sent a 301 at some point instead of 302? :-)
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fkooman kylewm: yeee! it works with indiecert as well :-) :D
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kylewm i don't think so, at least not on purpose
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kylewm awesome!
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fkooman kylewm++
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Loqi kylewm has 138 karma
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fkooman for the SSL cert :-)
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kylewm fkooman++ :)
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Loqi fkooman has 5 karma
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kylewm trading karma!
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@hybridjesus RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @aaronpk: I am posting to my site using the micropub client at http:/// - it will post to any micr… (twitter.com/_/status/577902283905765376)
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fkooman kylewm: protip ;) https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=reader.kylewm.com
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fkooman kylewm: some chain issues
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kylewm ah ok that must be why I had created a unified cert for the primary domain
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kylewm i couldn't remember
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@CaptainCalliope @tilgovi Just noticed you're in town! You going to be here Thursday for #indiewebcamp? (twitter.com/_/status/577903831557668864)
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kylewm aaronpk: I like the yellow background on Monocle, will it change to purple/black at night? :)
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aaronpk haha
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @dissolve333: I'm demoing http://reader.kylewm.com whcih is not my app but kyles - it reads feeds, and posts to my site via micropub (twitter.com/_/status/577907219318063105)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @dissolve333: the post on my site sends webmentions which will show up on aaron's post (twitter.com/_/status/577907320472121344)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: I just got the webmention by the way: https://aaronparecki.com/notes/2015/03/17/1/socialwg (twitter.com/_/status/577907426298560514)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @dissolve333: this also allows liking or starring of posts to my site (twitter.com/_/status/577907532259262464)
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gRegor` That reminds me, I forgot to put https://justgetflux.com/ on this laptop
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@kylewm2 RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @dissolve333: I'm demoing http://reader.kylewm.com whcih is not my app but kyles - it reads feeds, and posts to my … (twitter.com/_/status/577907852423118848)
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cweiske as a side note, I have weather (and daylight) dependent stylesheet since 2003; http://cweiske.de/home_stylesheet.htm
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kylewm cweiske++ so great
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Loqi cweiske has 18 karma
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gRegor` That's awesome, cweiske!
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cweiske :)
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aaronpk :)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: and I posted to my site using http://reader.kylewm.com/ too http://known.kevinmarks.com/2015/good-to-see-the-w3c-meeting (twitter.com/_/status/577908925510582272)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @dissolve333: I wrote my own little micropub app on my android phone in Cordova so it's a web app compiled to android (twitter.com/_/status/577909446237667328)
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kylewm aaronpk: monocle loads really fast, are you doing any special caching or anything?
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aaronpk no lol
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aaronpk also it's just one giant list in the timeline, no paging yet
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @dissolve333: I can syndicate to facebook and twitter - the list is pulled form my site via micropub as targets (twitter.com/_/status/577909774668439553)
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kylewm downlodas the full page in ~50ms
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kylewm good lord
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aaronpk php++
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Loqi php has -11 karma
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aaronpk damit
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cweiske ++php++
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cweiske hm. loqi doesn't understand that, too bad
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bear resists the urge to -- php
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Loqi grins profusely
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kylewm haha, taste of your own medicine re: java!
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Loqi [bridgy] Lyre Calliope RSVPed yes to http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Cambridge (https://www.facebook.com/437461433068146#691555347552244)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @dissolve333: and here is the photo post: https://ben.thatmustbe.me/photo/2015/3/17/4/ (twitter.com/_/status/577910613025902592)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: Here's my feed reader at https://monocle.p3k.io/ I'm adding http://tantek.com (twitter.com/_/status/577911002945220609)
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cweiske aaronpk, can you move an issue on github? or do I have to copy https://github.com/aaronpk/Monocle/issues/12 to https://github.com/indieweb/indieauth-client-php/issues ?
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: I may want to post on my site that I followed someone, btu I haven't done that in the app yet (twitter.com/_/status/577911783605813251)
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gRegor` Aw
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gRegor` php++
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Loqi php has -10 karma
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cweiske aaronpk, can I assume that response_type=id when $scope is empty in https://github.com/indieweb/indieauth-client-php/blob/master/src/IndieAuth/Client.php#L99 ?
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @aaronpk: if I like a post it shows up on my own site under likes - for example http://aaronparecki.com/likes/2015/03/17/1/ (twitter.com/_/status/577912896077897729)
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aaronpk cweiske: yes i think that is a safe assumption
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cweiske ok, I'll send a PR
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aaronpk cool!
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@BillSeitz RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @dissolve333: I wrote my own little micropub app on my android phone in Cordova so it's a web app compiled to and… (twitter.com/_/status/577913433338691584)
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cweiske there you go
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aaronpk that was fast
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@kevinmarks #indieweb Chris Webber: I'm demoing posting a photo using https://identi.ca/cwebber (twitter.com/_/status/577913998890430464)
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aaronpk benwerd: it looks like Known isn't setting the rel=self value, so my PuSH consumer isn't subscribing to Known feeds
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@kevinmarks #indieweb Chris Webber: the public image post is at https://identi.ca/cwebber/image/d3Hv4RJzRKOJTVdw2PHYXw but the private note is at https://identi.ca/main/login?continue=/cwebber/note/XYDqJKmYR6OCDImGC0roxg (twitter.com/_/status/577914479477964800)
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aaronpk i'm making it fall back to use the feed URL as self if no self is specified
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benwerd aaronpk: I have so many things to fix right now on that, as it turns out
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Loqi benwerd: tantek left you a message on 3/13 at 6:00pm: did you braindump any of what we discussed at HWC SF this week? E.g. code-of-conduct, noticing that FB notifications had an RSS feed (URL security through obscurity), Events itch scratching, Known Pro, etc.? http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-13/line/1426294801107
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Loqi benwerd: tantek left you a message 3 days, 3 hours ago: MozSF confirmed for 2015-03-25 HWC SF, could you (benwerd, kylewm) create an indie event and FB POSSE copy and add them to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-03-25-homebrew-website-club#URLs ? Thanks! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-14/line/1426348501203
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Loqi benwerd: tantek left you a message 3 days, 3 hours ago: please add yourself to demo Known as a micropub server here: https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2015-03-17#demo-user-stories http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-14/line/1426350243126
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benwerd I did not do that because I have some broken things :(
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aaronpk benwerd: aww really?
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aaronpk well now Woodwind and Monocle are PuSH consumers!
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benwerd That is awesome
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benwerd I've got a bunch of bugfixing on my agenda for the rest of today.
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aaronpk kewl
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benwerd Hope all is going well in Cambridge
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bret aaronpk: bravo on monocle
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pdurbin the sun came out. turning into a nice day
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aaronpk bret: thanks!
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aaronpk still lots more to do of course
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aaronpk hmm apparently known.kevinmarks.com only has an RSS topic advertized on the hub
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bret aaronpk: are you taking pRs?
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aaronpk uh sure
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aaronpk i totally don't expect anyone to run this yet
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bret Just some css fixings for youtube embeds
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aaronpk ah k
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KevinMarks how's that?
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KevinMarks I tried subbing to an unmunged feed, but maybe not enough recent posts
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aaronpk oh yeah it only shows the latest 30 posts
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aaronpk i'll implement paging soon I promise :)
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KevinMarks the dates I'm seeing say March 03?
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KevinMarks I think you're munging month into day
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tantek goodness - so much to catch up here
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aaronpk uh weird
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aaronpk what feed URL?
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KevinMarks ben, me, tantek
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KevinMarks http://known.kevinmarks.com/2015/odd-dates-in-monocle
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aaronpk oops
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aaronpk i had an "m" instead of "j" in the formatter
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KevinMarks heh
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aaronpk fixed
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benwerd aaronpk: hopefully that rel="self" header should be friendlier now
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aaronpk already? wow
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benwerd (Thanks for pointing that out)
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benwerd You should see my list. I've got a JSON Accept: header issue with Superfeedr and the rel="self" issue out of the way
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benwerd Next are micropub likes, micropub syndication and a few RSS tags
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benwerd I don't get to spend enough time just working on code :(
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aaronpk I got two different replies from superfeedr alreay.. one said the topic should be the one that ends in _rss, but the other one said the topic should be a www.* version of the domain
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aaronpk are you auto-adding the feeds to superfeedr for people?
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@MozillaBoston Take control of your online identity & content at #IndieWebCamp Cambridge 2015, March 19+20 at the MIT Stata Center https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Cambridge (twitter.com/_/status/577932030102491136)
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@CaptainCalliope RT @MozillaBoston: Take control of your online identity & content at #IndieWebCamp Cambridge 2015, March 19+20 at the MIT Stata Center http… (twitter.com/_/status/577932165213601792)
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KevinMarks that's better
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aaronpk hmm i'm getting a 202 response from superfeedr but it's not making the verify request to me
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aaronpk doesn't seem to be an SSL error
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kylewm aaronpk: what feed are you subscribing to?
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aaronpk kylewm: you've been able to subscribe to my superfeedr hub right?
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kylewm yep
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aaronpk hub http://p3k.superfeedr.com/ topic http://aaronparecki.com/
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aaronpk it replies with 202
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aaronpk just never makes the verify request
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kylewm you send hub.mode, hub.topic, and hub.callback?
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aaronpk yeah
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kylewm it would be nice if superfeedr had a little more diagnostic info... rather opaque
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aaronpk and if I send a bad topic URL it rejects it
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aaronpk yeah more debugging info would be great
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aaronpk i'm gonna have to write a hub now aren't i
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@isaacchansky RT @MozillaBoston: Take control of your online identity & content at #IndieWebCamp Cambridge 2015, March 19+20 at the MIT Stata Center http… (twitter.com/_/status/577936661801279488)
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acegiak morning, all
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aaronpk morning
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cweiske bad google: http://fotostore.cweiske.de/screenshots/2015-03-17%20switch%20to%20google.png
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aaronpk yikes
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: the point of indieweb was to replace our own use of Facebook and twitter first (twitter.com/_/status/577943782785720320)
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KevinMarks worth posting my noterlive links to demos?
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bret i cant answer that but ill peek at them KevinMarks
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@bengo RT @MozillaBoston: Take control of your online identity & content at #IndieWebCamp Cambridge 2015, March 19+20 at the MIT Stata Center http… (twitter.com/_/status/577947213256613889)
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bengo Anyone use identi.ca with indieauth? https://identi.ca/main/remote
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bengo Seems like can't
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bengo What is identi.ca
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "identi.ca" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=identi.ca&summary=prompted+by+bengo+https%3A%2F%2Findiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2F2015-03-17%2Fline%2F1426628426077
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bengo identi.ca is A website that "runs pump.io, the high-performance Open Source social engine. It pumps your life in and out of your friends, family and colleagues."
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loqi.me created /identi.ca (+188) "prompted by bengo https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-17/line/1426628426077 and dfn added by bengo" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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bengo.is edited /identi.ca (+36) (view diff)
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@energyovertime RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: the point of indieweb was to replace our own use of Facebook and twitter first (twitter.com/_/status/577948305650364416)
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@CodeForBoston RT @MozillaBoston: Take control of your online identity & content at #IndieWebCamp Cambridge 2015, March 19+20 at the MIT Stata Center http… (twitter.com/_/status/577948511842529280)
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gRegor` I thought identica was StatusNet which is now GNU Social, or is there some forking in the history?
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KevinMarks i think pump.io was as reimplementation
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KevinMarks OK, my notes: http://www.kevinmarks.com/socialwgf2f2015-03-17.html
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@kevinmarks links to demos at today's w3c Social Working Group: http://www.kevinmarks.com/socialwgf2f2015-03-17.html full notes at http://socialwg.indiewebcamp.com/irc/social/2015-03-17 (twitter.com/_/status/577950784840568832)
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kylewm gRegor`: pump.io is totally separate from statusnet/gnusocial. written from scratch, no code in common
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kylewm identi.ca users were migrated from statusnet to pump.io a few years ago
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gRegor` So identi.ca is still a social network (silo?) of sorts, it just runs on pump.io instead of StatusNet now, right?
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@pcosdeaf RT @kevinmarks: links to demos at today's w3c Social Working Group: http://www.kevinmarks.com/socialwgf2f2015-03-17.html full notes at http://socialwg.indiewebcamp.com/irc/social/2015-03-17 (twitter.com/_/status/577952233590902785)
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gRegor` Or is there no hosted version of identi.ca, just self-hosted?
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gRegor` "New accounts are not created any more; use of own or others' pump.io servers is recommended." according to Wikipedia, so that kinda answers that.
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pdurbin gRegor`: the former, I think (hosted, runs pump.io)
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gRegor` Oh.
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pdurbin statusnet was in php. pump.io is in javascript/node.
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gregorlove.com edited /identi.ca (-105) "linkify, clean up" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /identi.ca (+88) "+history with statusnet, +see also" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com created /identica (+23) "r" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com created /pumpio (+21) "r" (view diff)
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kylewm no new accounts on identi.ca but there are other servers that evan also manages that are accepting new accounts
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kylewm I'm https://microca.st/kylewm
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gRegor` Ahh
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@davidmead RT @kevinmarks: links to demos at today's w3c Social Working Group: http://www.kevinmarks.com/socialwgf2f2015-03-17.html full notes at http://socialwg.indiewebcamp.com/irc/social/2015-03-17 (twitter.com/_/status/577954982034612224)
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fkooman aaronpk: is there a plan to support distributed indieauth on indiewebcamp.com?
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aaronpk Yes, once IndieAuth.com supports it
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aaronpk If you try right now with an authorization endpoint specified on your site you'll see a little note "is coming soon"
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fkooman aaronpk: oh it will still go through indieauth.com? https://monocle.p3k.io/ works with distributed indieauth :)
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pdurbin aaronpk: https://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Cambridge/Guest_List shows you as remote
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aaronpk Yes because the last thing I want to do is write more mediawiki plugin
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acegiak Anyone got a second to tell me if my unityplayer embed is working?
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acegiak http://machinespirit.net/ace/BrokenMountains/mountainweb.html
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acegiak cause I'm on linux which apparently there isn't a player for
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Loqi [mention] indie.mn commented 'I'm coming to this IndieWebCamp event! 2015/Cambridge/Guest List - IndieWebCamp http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Cambridge/Guest_List' on a post http://indiewebcamp.com/2015/Cambridge/Guest_List (http://indie.mn/2015/im-coming-to-this-indiewebcamp-event-2015cambridgeguest-list---indiewebcamp)
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fkooman aaronpk: yeah, i saw the code ;)
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acegiak Yay! Now if I repost a thing with pictures some of the pictures display on twitter
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Loqi yay!
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sensible.mn edited /2015/Cambridge/Guest_List (+304) "/* Participants */" (view diff)
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GWG Good news everyone.
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GWG I can get to Boston earlier
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