#indiewebcamp 2015-03-26

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Loqi [bridgy] Dan Lyke favorited a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/next-hwc (https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/580866255030132736)
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tantek not quite an RSVP
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Loqi [bridgy] Alejandro Cruz RSVPed yes to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-03-25-homebrew-website-club (https://www.facebook.com/1565113317092307#10155410903310106)
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KartikPrabhu a twitter reader? http://www.gizoogle.net/xfer.php?link=https://twitter.com/neilhimself
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KartikPrabhu pardon the horribly stupid language
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: Trying noterlive with @pwcc's localstorage patch (twitter.com/_/status/580903302755446784)
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KevinMarks !tell @pwcc how do I tell the noterlive patch has fixed things? (I never saw a problem on chrome)
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KevinMarks is this an iOS thing
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tantek we are getting started with HWC here in SF!
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: welcome to SF homebrew website club where it's all about what you want to put up on your own domain or on the web (twitter.com/_/status/580906284590960640)
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@iEuno RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: welcome to SF homebrew website club where it's all about what you want to put up on your own domain or on the… (twitter.com/_/status/580906357865332736)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kylewmahan: I just changed my twitter id - I can't be @kylewm on twitter so I got this one (twitter.com/_/status/580906834430689280)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @bengo: if you file a support ticket you can reclaim an unused twitter handle - that's how I got @bengo (twitter.com/_/status/580907044825362432)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: if you do change your twitter handle, do reclaim the old one, as otherwise external links will fail (twitter.com/_/status/580907235213185024)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: AOL and Yahoo have both started reissuing email addresses, which can get confusing (twitter.com/_/status/580907408832270337)
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Loqi [bridgy] https://www.facebook.com/1565113317092307#10155425285500637 was invited to https://indiewebcamp.com/events/2015-03-25-homebrew-website-club
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: all external links to twitter go to handles, not userids (twitter.com/_/status/580907591901061120)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @bengo: at livefyre we store the twitter id, not the handle so that it does persist across changes (twitter.com/_/status/580907757827657728)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @bengo: i've looked into the process of getting TLD this week, and it is very expensive (twitter.com/_/status/580908141472313344)
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@OhhSocialMedia RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @kylewmahan: I just changed my twitter id - I can't be @kylewm on twitter so I got this one (twitter.com/_/status/580908156424966144)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: the twitter linking in general goes to the @ name not the userid which is fragile (twitter.com/_/status/580908339590250496)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @bengo: at livefyre we have to do an api call to get the persistent id - there was an external url before, not sure now (twitter.com/_/status/580908620960952321)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @bengo: we had to remove all facebook @ mentions because of the api 2.0 changes (twitter.com/_/status/580908877123813377)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kylewmahan: we had the same issue with brid.gy and unable to link to facebook users reliably (twitter.com/_/status/580908986393841665)
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indie-visitor https://twitter.com/intent/user?user_id=783214
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tantek this works! https://twitter.com/intent/user?user_id=11628
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @bengo: you can link to twitter userids via twitter intents - eg @t is https://twitter.com/intent/user?user_id=11628 (twitter.com/_/status/580909653774741504)
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indie-visitor https://twitter.com/intent/user?user_id=981101
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: I'm https://twitter.com/intent/user?user_id=57203 on twitter - clearly low numbers have bragging rights like short handles, eh @t (twitter.com/_/status/580910379540320256)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: http://www.noterlive.com/ uses twitter to look up names and URLs - if you don't have a url set it uses a twitter url (twitter.com/_/status/580910842943791104)
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indie-visitor bodyHtml: "<p><a vocab="http://schema.org" typeof="Person" rel="nofollow" resource="acct:normal1@qa-prod.fyre.co" data-lf-handle="" data-lf-provider="livefyre" property="url" target="_blank" class="fyre-mention fyre-mention-livefyre">@<span property="name">normal1</span></a> replying test</p>",
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: Indiewebcamp cambridge was last week, and had more people than last year and more diverse in terms of users (twitter.com/_/status/580911187723972608)
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indie-visitor http://indiewebcamp.com/Webmention
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: one guy got drupal webmentions working. Drupal is a CMS like wordpress, and he made a webmention plugin (twitter.com/_/status/580911338022649856)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: supporting webmentions is one of the best ways to make a CMS indieweb friendly (twitter.com/_/status/580911470663376896)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: webmention was made by Sandeep Shetty http://www.sandeep.io/webmention/ - he's in india and none of us here have met him (twitter.com/_/status/580912005034446849)
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indie-visitor http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4132900/url-link-to-twitter-user-with-id-not-name/20211109#20211109
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tantek demos on day 1 of IWC Cambridge 2015 started here: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-19#t1426775924845
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tantek demos on day 2 of IWC Cambridge 2015 started here: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-20#t1426880947104
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: at indiewebcamp we did a lot of demos at the end of what people got working over the 2 days (twitter.com/_/status/580912905614422017)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: someone built an implementation of the http LINK verb - but no-one responds to it. You have to start somewhere (twitter.com/_/status/580913101157056512)
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kylewm jasnell's post about LINK verb http://www.chmod777self.com/2013/08/now-that-you-mention-it.html
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kylewm aaronpk's response http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2013/08/08/2/webmention
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: someone got a demo of http://tilde.club running indieweb sites (twitter.com/_/status/580913547825295362)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: someone else got @withknown working on a tor onion address (twitter.com/_/status/580913818076872704)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: @rhiaro got posts working on her own website, and event RSVPs to indie events - webmentions for RSVPs (twitter.com/_/status/580913992102756352)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: a lot of people worked on locations of a note versus location checkins explicitly into a venue (twitter.com/_/status/580914344348803072)
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bengo :( tilde.club is no longer accepting members
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bengo """tilde.club can't handle any more new members right this moment we are very sorry :( But there is a waitlist"""
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bengo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-world_assumption
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: in microformats there is no inheritance, just top-level objects that can have properties, so you don't get implied oddness (twitter.com/_/status/580915886464360448)
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kylewm bengo: http://tilde.town/ is still open, and i can vouch for the sysadmin
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kylewm (it's not me even though it kind of sounded like that)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: hierarchies go back to Aristotle, and make sense for filing books that have to be in one place, but not how we think (twitter.com/_/status/580916218506403841)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: we instead think of things relative to prototypes - robins have more birdness than penguins or emus (twitter.com/_/status/580916533116977153)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @Eliservescent: twitter having @foursquare will make it more interesting to check in to places and it gets around the character (twitter.com/_/status/580916950114652160)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @Eliservescent: I want to post a location to twitter to add context or irony to a location (twitter.com/_/status/580917062610079745)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @bengo: we take advantage of twitter geocoding to see what tweets are where at @livefyre (twitter.com/_/status/580917669072879618)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: I went to a @gigaom conference and learned that they are running tons of geolocation anlaytics (twitter.com/_/status/580917778972057601)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: geolocation has population density issues - it is hard because population density is a fractal (twitter.com/_/status/580918448542363648)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: that reminds me of http://xkcd.com/1138/ (twitter.com/_/status/580918510764834816)
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kylewm https://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/new/
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: a lot of us worked on event support at indiewebcamp cambridge - redwind does it and known (twitter.com/_/status/580918996716953600)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @bengo: what do you need as well as a posting of an event on your site? (twitter.com/_/status/580919113771565056)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: you then need to send invitations and accept RSVPs too, and they expect comments too - lots of thinsg involved (twitter.com/_/status/580919281468178432)
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bengo https://kylewm.com/2015/03/homebrew-website-club-2015-march-25
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GWG Good evening
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @bengo: I've been setting up my domain as an excuse to learn things like google compute engine and docker (twitter.com/_/status/580920497124298752)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @bengo: if you have your own domain ideally it's pretty cheap -what happens if it is bigger than you can handle? (twitter.com/_/status/580920608705388544)
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ben_thatmustbeme wow, completely rewrote my models in one fell swoop and I think it was all successful
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @bengo: I have set up my dns record to go to a google load balancer so it can go across multiple sites (twitter.com/_/status/580920991787913216)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: it's easier to migrate things across a redundant array of inexpensive clouds with static files (twitter.com/_/status/580921281983471616)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @bengo: I am using docker to migrate images between different cloud services (twitter.com/_/status/580921366993571840)
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rhiaro is enjoying following HWC between flights
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@Eliservescent "the internet archive exists." @kevinmarks #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/580921606240792577)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @kevinmarks: don't forget to ask the internet archive to index your urls as you post them, and they will host CCd audio and video (twitter.com/_/status/580921937473499136)
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@pcosdeaf RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @bengo: I have set up my dns record to go to a google load balancer so it can go across multiple sites (twitter.com/_/status/580922072945184768)
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@pcosdeaf RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @kevinmarks: it's easier to migrate things across a redundant array of inexpensive clouds with static files (twitter.com/_/status/580922268320067585)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: scaling is an interesting problem - one of the things we do is make it as dirt simple as possible (twitter.com/_/status/580922494590328832)
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@pcosdeaf RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @bengo: I am using docker to migrate images between different cloud services (twitter.com/_/status/580922592913051648)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: a personal blog is well suited to flat files - you don't run out of database connection (twitter.com/_/status/580922711096070144)
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@pcosdeaf RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @kevinmarks: don't forget to ask the internet archive to index your urls as you post them, and they will host CCd… (twitter.com/_/status/580922811994124288)
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek throws down the files/db gauntlet
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KartikPrabhu fight fight
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ben_thatmustbeme caches any queries so he never runs out of connections
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @bengo: kafka is good at queueing a lot of links in response to a twitter-like burst of queues (twitter.com/_/status/580923671746871296)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @bengo: google used to have a pubsubhubbub part in analytics (twitter.com/_/status/580923972868554753)
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torrorist indiewebcamp cambridge got me all inspired, so i spent the day setting up a vps at linode and getting known going at cassie.wtf, which i bought last night.
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tantek there's a .wtf TLD?!?
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tantek torrorist: awesome!
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torrorist yes! went live a few months ago :-)
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Justin20150325 there's a .terrorist?
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: I deployed PuSH 0.4 for updates from my homepage - I switched from google's hub to superfeeder (twitter.com/_/status/580924924153430017)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @t: we now have multiple people implementing PuSH 0.4 posting and reading (twitter.com/_/status/580925121415790592)
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@sethgoldstein RT @benwerd: If I've learned one thing, it's that businesses rarely make ideological decisions. Important for #indieweb / open source to gr… (twitter.com/_/status/580925904781766659)
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@pcosdeaf RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: scaling is an interesting problem - one of the things we do is make it as dirt simple as possible (twitter.com/_/status/580927127660326912)
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@Strabd RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: a personal blog is well suited to flat files - you don't run out of database connection (twitter.com/_/status/580929771862818817)
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@kevinmarks #indieweb notes from tonight's Homebrew Website Club on my site at http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2015-03-25.html (twitter.com/_/status/580930167268229121)
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@pcosdeaf RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb notes from tonight's Homebrew Website Club on my site at http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2015-03-25.html (twitter.com/_/status/580930628108972032)
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@energyovertime RT @t: #indieweb: “As writers, we don’t need companies like Medium to tell us how to use the web. Or define ... http://tantek.com/2015/083/t2/indieweb-writers-web (twitter.com/_/status/580939458083622913)
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@bengo RT @mapkyca: @benwerd And what is choosing to chase the bottom line instead of what's moral if not an ideological decision? #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/580957649677615104)
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@Inkwater_Masha "…when in the end your opinion is probably the least important. It’s the audience that matters." http://www.thebookdesigner.com/2015/03/brian-south/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter #indieauth (twitter.com/_/status/580976325722312704)
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@TheWritingGeek "…when in the end your opinion is probably the least important. It’s the audience that matters." http://www.thebookdesigner.com/2015/03/brian-south/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter #indieauth (twitter.com/_/status/580976325726478337)
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Loqi [mention] http://blog.computerclubstein.nl/?p=30 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/Principles (pingback)
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@brianjesse RT @t: #indieweb: “As writers, we don’t need companies like Medium to tell us how to use the web. Or define ... http://tantek.com/2015/083/t2/indieweb-writers-web (twitter.com/_/status/581013810850312192)
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@andkjaer Facebook Testing ‘Interested’ Button for Events Again? >> http://www.adweek.com/socialtimes/?p=617098&utm_content=buffere9b22&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer #SocialMedia Tip from David Cohen. #SelfPublish #IndieAuth… (twitter.com/_/status/581032120094617600)
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@textformer Heute gibt es übrigens KEIN @WWRuhr-Treffen! Das #indieweb-Thema wird verschoben. http://www.meetup.com/wwruhr/events/221363578/ (twitter.com/_/status/581053798296248320)
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@screengui_de Dies ist die neue Screenguide. Titelthema: #IndieWeb von @pfefferle. Ab Montag im Handel. Im Abo auch jetzt schon. https://twitter.com/screengui_de/status/581057933380870144/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/581057933380870144)
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@dissolve333 Been working pretty heavily on Postly over the past few days. IndieWebCamp is great for inspiring you to build. (btmb.me s/8R) (twitter.com/_/status/581064330541576192)
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@Flocke RT @screengui_de: Dies ist die neue Screenguide. Titelthema: #IndieWeb von @pfefferle. Ab Montag im Handel. Im Abo auch jetzt schon. http:/… (twitter.com/_/status/581067026048946176)
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cweiske aaronpk, is the loqi source code public?
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Loqi cweiske: bret left you a message on 3/24 at 3:31pm: http://requestb.in/ is helpful for PuSH debugging, and those clients offer some degree of feedback on PuSH configuration. plus you can ask aaronpk or kylewm http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-24/line/1427236290137
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Loqi cweiske: bret left you a message on 3/24 at 3:32pm: im not sure of clients that provide super detailed debugging info for push http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-24/line/1427236341584
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Loqi yeah!
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@VolkerZ RT @screengui_de: Dies ist die neue Screenguide. Titelthema: #IndieWeb von @pfefferle. Ab Montag im Handel. Im Abo auch jetzt schon. http:/… (twitter.com/_/status/581069518375649281)
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@pfefferle RT @screengui_de: Dies ist die neue Screenguide. Titelthema: #IndieWeb von @pfefferle. Ab Montag im Handel. Im Abo auch jetzt schon. http:/… (twitter.com/_/status/581076284488437761)
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@AmAbgrund RT @screengui_de: Dies ist die neue Screenguide. Titelthema: #IndieWeb von @pfefferle. Ab Montag im Handel. Im Abo auch jetzt schon. http:/… (twitter.com/_/status/581078564897968128)
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@beckenhaub RT @screengui_de: Dies ist die neue Screenguide. Titelthema: #IndieWeb von @pfefferle. Ab Montag im Handel. Im Abo auch jetzt schon. http:/… (twitter.com/_/status/581092166493216768)
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tantek !tell KevinMarks thanks again for http://www.kevinmarks.com/hwc2015-03-25.html ! Perhaps consider linking to the wiki page for the event somewhere near the top?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@JosephRatliff RT @benwerd: How we're on the verge of an amazing new open web #indieweb http://werd.io/2014/how-were-on-the-verge-of-an-amazing-new-open (twitter.com/_/status/581106613597110272)
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aaronpk good morning
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Loqi aaronpk: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message on 3/23 at 1:02pm: just added a quick note about file uploading to /micropub, you should probably refine http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-23/line/1427140941798
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aaronpk thanks ben_thatmustbeme already took a look :)
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aaronpk cweiske: some of the Loqi source is public, but not the bits that give him personality
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Loqi :)
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ben_thatmustbeme yep, i saw
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ben_thatmustbeme i was wondering how many messages you would have when you got back... not as many as I expected
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aaronpk *whew*
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aaronpk looks like a good HWC last night
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ben_thatmustbeme s/got back/got back online/
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aaronpk or whatever night that was. timzones are hard
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme meant to say: i was wondering how many messages you would have when you got back online... not as many as I expected
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ben_thatmustbeme haha, yeah, but i expect if you went back and looked at all the times your name was mentioned there would be a lot
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Loqi ahahaha
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aaronpk reads logs
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aaronpk i've been skimming logs on my phone periodically, but haven't had a chance to get on IRC in the last couple days
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aaronpk time to test out my new PuSH 0.4 hub, Switchboard :)
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cweiske how far are you?
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aaronpk in what sense of the word "far"?
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cweiske feature complete
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cweiske I'm currently integrating gearman into phubb
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aaronpk ah cool
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gRegor` Hah. Instead of redirecting this URL, they just updated the PDF contents with links. https://itunesconnect.apple.com/docs/iTunesConnect_DeveloperGuide.pdf
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cweiske so sending notifications can be parallelized
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aaronpk in theory it's working. not much as far as interface goes, but it does have some diagnostic info
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aaronpk hmm how do PuSH subscribers know I switched hubs?
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aaronpk I suppose they'll have to re-subscribe after their current superfeedr one expires, so they'll find it then
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cweiske yep
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aaronpk there appears to be no way to change it before that
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cweiske you don't know your subscribers
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cweiske .. yet
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aaronpk so I should continue to ping superfeedr for 2 weeks or so
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aaronpk (i think that's how long the superfeedr subscriptions last?)
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cweiske no idea how the max lease time is on superfeedr
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cweiske s/how/what/
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Loqi cweiske meant to say: no idea what the max lease time is on superfeedr
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cweiske s/i/ii/
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cweiske Loqi, ?
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kylewm aaronpk: I check whether the push hub has changed every time woodwind fetches a feeed
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kylewm and subscribe to the new one if it does -- q.v. tantek changing to superfeedr last weekish
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cweiske kylewm, shouldn't you not fetch feeds if they support push?
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kylewm cweiske: you're supposed to still poll, just at a lower frequency
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cweiske huh?
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cweiske why?
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kylewm in case something has changed, or push is broken
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zachdonovan a very late good morning to you all!
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aaronpk kylewm: that's interesting
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aaronpk hm i was under the impression the hub could fall back to polling but didn't expect the subscribers to fall back to polling
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aaronpk fwiw I don't plan to make monocle do any feed polling on its own
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aaronpk instead, it relies on the hub to send notifications of content
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kylewm intresting, what do you do now for feeds that don't support push?
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aaronpk nothing
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aaronpk i may make Switchboard (the hub) fall back to polling
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aaronpk s/may/will
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Loqi aaronpk meant to say: i will make Switchboard (the hub) fall back to polling
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aaronpk and since superfeedr and switchboard are the only hubs that support 0.4 right now, that measn 100% of them do their own polling of feeds for publishers that don't send pings
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cweiske how do you determine if publishers do not send pings?
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aaronpk if the publisher doesn't have a hub specfiied?
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cweiske so your reader detects the hub, and if there is no hub it is hard-coded to use your switchboard instance
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aaronpk that seems like a reasonable plan
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aaronpk i haven't done that yet though
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aaronpk i think that's how superfeedr is intended to work as well
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kylewm so I think if you use superfeedr that way, you just subscribe to *every* feed in superfeedr
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kylewm and it decides whether to subscribe via push or polling
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kylewm it's sort of like one more level above PuSH
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cweiske yep
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kylewm aaronpk: does monocle use the content of pings from superfeedr?
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aaronpk kylewm: no
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aaronpk and switchboard just doesn't send any content
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kylewm there's still some fairly significant latency between when i make a post and when it shows up in woodwind
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kylewm need to track that down
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kylewm it's like 6-20 seconds right now
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aaronpk hm that's more than i'd expect
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cweiske so. phubb uses gearman everywhere now and should work :)
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cweiske it already sends the content in the POST request
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cweiske along with a number of http headers it got from the server
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cweiske is woodwind or monocle easier to install locally?
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kylewm almost certainly monocle because php
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aaronpk never tried woodwind, but monocle is a relatively simple php app. I haven't documented install instructions for it tho
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aaronpk it requires apache or nginx rules to route everything through index.php
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cweiske kylewm, the woodwind source code url is not mentioned on the web frontend
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kylewm mm, that's a good point, thanks cweiske
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kylewm https://github.com/kylewm/woodwind
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cweiske.de edited /PubSubHubbub (+84) "/* Hubs */" (view diff)
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cweiske.de edited /PubSubHubbub (+29) "/* Consuming Implementations */" (view diff)
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aaronpk oh hey superfeedr subscribed to one of my feeds
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cweiske aaronpk, could you enable hsts on indiewebcamp.com, or simply redirect all http to https urls?
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cweiske and make the irc logs link to the https version?
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aaronpk cweiske: i can't redirect http->https until i get some sort of image proxy working, otherwise there are insecure content warnings everywhere
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cweiske what images are linked via http?
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aaronpk all sorts of images hotlinked everywhere
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aaronpk icons on /irc-people for example
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aaronpk but lots of other places
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aaronpk oops helps if i ping the right hub
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aaronpk kylewm: i just got ~8 seconds from posting a like to it showing up in woodwind using switchboard as the hub
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aaronpk now my head hurts because i have all three parts of PuSH in active memory
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aaronparecki.com edited /Micropub (+295) "add more implementations" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /Micropub-brainstorming (+353) (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /Micropub-brainstorming (+654) "move section from [[Micropub]]" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /Micropub () "(-652) move section to brainstorming" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /Micropub (+5951) "adds a "Syntax" section describing the micropub syntax without the specifics of h-entry etc" (view diff)
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aaronpk anyone who has implemented Micropub, I'd appreciate a review of this new section https://indiewebcamp.com/Micropub#Syntax
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aaronpk it's my attempt at documenting micropub syntax outside the scope of making an h-entry or a specific content type
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aaronparecki.com edited /Micropub (+50) "/* Syntax */" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /Micropub-brainstorming (+926) "add info about json encoding" (view diff)
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gRegor` Should readers be parsing/displaying the liked URL for posts like this, or should we use different markup so it shows up in readers? https://kartikprabhu.com/notes/like-thomasbyttebier-icons-text-label
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gRegor` I just get KartikPrabhu's comment on the liked URL there, not the liked URL (in Woodwint)
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gRegor` s/wint/wind/
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Loqi gRegor` meant to say: I just get KartikPrabhu's comment on the liked URL there, not the liked URL (in Woodwind)
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aaronpk seems like it's not just a "like" if there's also a comment
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snarfed aaronpk: new mp syntax section looks great! biggest improvement is just having an intro/overview at all
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Loqi snarfed: tantek left you a message on 3/24 at 1:46pm: in case you can plan that far in advance, would be great to have you at the 2015-04-22 HWC SF meetup (that's ~ a month from now), as it looks like we'll be getting a special guest (Eric Meyer) who is on WordPress and very interested in getting some interactive guidance on WP indieweb plugins! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-24/line/1427230006150
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snarfed aaronpk: huh, interesting. looks liked you switched from url to mp-url for updating an existing entry?
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snarfed :/
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gRegor` Sure, it's not just a like. That doesn't really answer the question :)
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aaronpk snarfed: yeah there was some discussion about keeping everything non-content scoped to "mp-*" properties
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snarfed yeah, i remember
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snarfed aaronpk: i assume you're not versioning micropub yet…?
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aaronpk probly not until there's a stable version
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snarfed k
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snarfed and ben_thatmustbeme is the other person you've mainly been iterating with, right?
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snarfed just checking
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aaronpk yeah
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snarfed cool
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snarfed aaronpk: and remind me, now all params can be both single or multi-valued w/array notation?
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aaronpk correct, since I realized all microformats properties can be multi-valued already
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snarfed right
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snarfed thx
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cweiske aaronpk, monocle only works with beanstalk?
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aaronpk cweiske: yeah
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cweiske :/
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aaronpk what's the queue tihng you use?
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aaronpk i've been using beanstalkd for years, it's great
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cweiske I'm trying gearman for phubb
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aaronpk it looks about equivalent
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aaronpk btw anyone who wants to try out another PuSH 0.4 hub (kinda experimental) feel free to use it! https://switchboard.p3k.io/
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aaronparecki.com edited /How_to_publish_and_consume_PubSubHubbub (+47) "/* Link to your PuSH Hub */" (view diff)
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@benwerd This work paves the way for infrastructure & devices to post to their own Known site. The #indieweb of things? https://www.marcus-povey.co.uk/2015/03/26/post-to-your-known-site-from-the-command-line/ (twitter.com/_/status/581138666191396864)
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snarfed aaronpk++ cool! you should ping brett and maybe brad
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Loqi aaronpk has 750 karma
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@myriadmystic RT @benwerd: This work paves the way for infrastructure & devices to post to their own Known site. The #indieweb of things? https://t.co/0i… (twitter.com/_/status/581140608036642816)
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aaronpk hehe maybe after i test it a little more :)
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aaronpk !tell benwerd a lot of your posts are showing up as replies, is there a reason you add "in-reply-to" on the URL you're sharing? http://werd.io/2015/why-developers-should-have-their-own-site-where-they-represent
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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cweiske aaronpk, the monocle schema.sql file is not recent
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cweiske Base table or view not found: 1146 Table 'phubb.requests' doesn't exist
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aaronpk oh crap sorry
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cweiske wait
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cweiske that's my hub
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cweiske sorry
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aaronpk hmm it looks right
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cweiske SQLSTATE[23000]: Integrity constraint violation: 1048 Column 'author_url' cannot be null
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cweiske aaronpk, my hub has the bug
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aaronpk is going AFK for a while. dinner time!
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cweiske aaronpk, I got monocle to hang "This feed is already being processed, re-queuing for later"
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cweiske but it never finishes
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aaronpk oh yeah it has trouble un-locking if there's an error
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aaronpk if you set "refresh_in_progress" to 0 in the feeds table it'll do it again
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cweiske I tried removing the feed, but that did not help
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cweiske so, a PR for you aaronpk
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aaronpk cool
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benwerd Hey, Loqi, do I have any messages?
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Loqi benwerd: gRegor` left you a message on 3/24 at 3:07pm: I got a 202 on this webmention on 3/23, but it never appeared. http://gregorlove.com/notes/2015/03/23/2/ http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-24/line/1427234842874
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Loqi benwerd: aaronpk left you a message 8 minutes ago: a lot of your posts are showing up as replies, is there a reason you add "in-reply-to" on the URL you're sharing? http://werd.io/2015/why-developers-should-have-their-own-site-where-they-represent http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-26/line/1427389958485
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benwerd Philosophically, everything is a reply to something, isn't it?
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benwerd (aaronpk: thanks! I'll fix that)
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snarfed hey btw aaronpk, i don't know if you ever figured out why monocle and twitter-activitystreams don't play nicely together?
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aaronpk oh yeah haven't looked at that yet
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snarfed low priority obviously, just curious
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snarfed np
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aaronpk i just dumped the queue I built up while offline the last couple days
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aaronpk (launched switchboard and posted the micropub syntax updates)
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aaronpk and so I am off for a bit! time for some german bier!
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snarfed enjoy!
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@CaptainKurtis RT @benwerd: This work paves the way for infrastructure & devices to post to their own Known site. The #indieweb of things? https://t.co/0i… (twitter.com/_/status/581151102961250304)
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@reraiseace RT @screengui_de: Dies ist die neue Screenguide. Titelthema: #IndieWeb von @pfefferle. Ab Montag im Handel. Im Abo auch jetzt schon. http:/… (twitter.com/_/status/581152233087209472)
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ben_thatmustbeme i have done quite a bit of work this week on my site, i'm quite happy with what I got done
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Loqi slack/snarfed: benwerd erinjo congrats on fully launching known pro! <https://withknown.com/pro/>
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ben_thatmustbeme hopefully by next week i'll have tagging and tags fully up and running :P
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GWG Snarfed: Saw your note, reading aaronpk's syntax section now
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benwerd snarfed: thanks!
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ben_thatmustbeme GWG, its a nice write up of it
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ben_thatmustbeme i'm starting to think we should stabilize micropub soon, now that we have wordpress addon
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: As snarfed pointed out, it could use some enhancements
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GWG I need to build support for it into my Post Kinds plugin,for example.
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ben_thatmustbeme GWG, next is to add person tagging in
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cweiske test blog + phubb + monocle = instant feed updates. 0 seconds delay
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cweiske awesome
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cweiske now I need monocle to push updates to the browser
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cweiske is there a feed reader with pubsubhubbub support that pushes updates to the user's browser?
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cweiske demo video: http://tmp.cweiske.de/phubb.ogv
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cweiske aaronpk, take that
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cweiske kylewm, does woodwind push updates to the browser?
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kylewm cweiske: yes
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cweiske hm. then I need to put phubb online
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cweiske to test it
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@krisshaffer Playing around with webmentions on my blog to gather comments from Twitter & FB on original posts. Example: http://kris.shaffermusic.com/2015/01/bell-hooks-and-spiritual-pedagogy/ (twitter.com/_/status/581201727354847232)
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@krisshaffer @Jessifer @slamteacher I wonder how cluttered @HybridPed pages would be if we added webmentions: https://twitter.com/krisshaffer/status/581201727354847232 (twitter.com/_/status/581202368546533376)
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tantek good afternoon #indiewebcamp
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tantek I noticed this tweet https://twitter.com/ashedryden/status/581189354858553344
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@ashedryden ✨ indie web is laden with the same jerks that corporate web is ✨ (twitter.com/_/status/581189354858553344)
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tantek which is unfortunate, as it appears to be in the context of a longer twitter argument that preceded it: https://twitter.com/aral/status/581160906689765376
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@aral Maybe because I’m not wrong and because @OpenSensorsIO *is* a closed platform? See: https://twitter.com/aral/status/581103372104790016 https://twitter.com/aral/status/581160906689765376/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/581160906689765376)
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tantek which unfortunately appears to be all about Aral's apparent criticism of something called "open" not being "open" in some ways, and very little about anything "indie web"
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tantek this is a good summary of the problem IMO: https://twitter.com/ashedryden/status/581170759990554624
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@ashedryden @aral when you attempt to tweet shame someone who is a woman, a person of color, & has 1/30th the followers you have, you incite harassment. (twitter.com/_/status/581170759990554624)
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tantek Thus Ashe's original tweet appears to be another instance of "ind.ie == Aral" confusion with "indie web".
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tantek Note also that any direct replying to Ashe's tweet https://twitter.com/ashedryden/status/581189354858553344 would only seem defensive at best, and sealioning at worst, thus better to just try to listen and have understanding that there is some geniune frustration there.
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@ashedryden ✨ indie web is laden with the same jerks that corporate web is ✨ (twitter.com/_/status/581189354858553344)
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kylewm I'm not sure we can be so quick to write it off as brand confusion
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tantek kylewm: given the context of the twitter-fight with Aral, that seems to be the preponderance of (or only source of) evidence
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tantek if you see actual "indie web" references, please point them out
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kylewm sure, but https://twitter.com/ashedryden/status/581190024193949696
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@ashedryden @shanley it’s like they’re re-creating the exact same systemic issues, by design lol (twitter.com/_/status/581190024193949696)
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tantek unfortunately that could be *anyone*
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kylewm and that seems a lot more directed at us than aral
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kylewm because it's not clear at all what he is building
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tantek kylewm: I believe that reflects confusion that Aral is any kind of active part of this community or a leader or some such
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tantek when he has basically gone his own way since last year
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tantek different than brand confusion sure, but nonetheless the confusion centers on Aral and the way he uses Twitter
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tantek regardless, we cannot help what Aral does, he's going to speak his mind the way he sees fit
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tantek what we can do is to keep being productive and welcoming here
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tantek I think the best "response" is to keep being good and productive and especially supportive of anyone that wants to build their own thing for themselves, whether open source or closed.
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tantek oh and to keep listening to criticisms even if they're not directly directed at us, or even if they are mistakenly directed at us
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tantek because even mis-criticisms may contain salient points that may be something we can improve on
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tantek like that "same systemic issues" critique
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tantek regardless of whether it was directed at IWC or not, it's something we can work on
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tantek Here's a good litmus test - I hope I never see anyone here say something as entitled and privileged sounding as this: https://twitter.com/aral/status/581177277679030272
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@aral @ashedryden The only thing I see worthy of an apology in this exchange is one person calling the other “the nutjob” on a public medium. (twitter.com/_/status/581177277679030272)
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tantek I am agreeing with Ashe here: https://twitter.com/ashedryden/status/581177624422002688
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@ashedryden @aral wow, am I disappointed in you (twitter.com/_/status/581177624422002688)
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benwerd I am seething, honestly.
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benwerd (And agree with Tantek.)
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benwerd Anyone who is iterating towards openness should have our mutual support. It's hard enough running an open business without the broader open community turning in on itself.
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tantek indeed
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tantek Anyone trying to build *something* for themselves or their community should be encouraged. It's hard enough believing in yourself to keep working on making something without the broader community criticizing you for any number of reasons valid or invalid.
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benwerd tantek++
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@davidpeach1 @davidpeach1 Test a reply for webmention 2 (twitter.com/_/status/581232428620079104)
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tantek I'm writing up my boston-globe-questions answers now
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tantek trying to focus on being constructive in ways we can
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tantek if anyone has a minute or so to quickly review
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bret tantek: link?
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tantek.com edited /2015-03-23-boston-globe-questions (+659) "add my answers" (view diff)
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tantek bret, #1 and #4 here: http://indiewebcamp.com/2015-03-23-boston-globe-questions
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tantek (open review request)
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bret Ty
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tantek !tell benwerd, aaronpk, ben_thatmustbeme, GWG - wrote my answers to Boston Globe questions, please review #1 and #4 here: http://indiewebcamp.com/2015-03-23-boston-globe-questions
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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benwerd Looks good to me
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Loqi benwerd: tantek left you a message 1 minute ago: - wrote my answers to Boston Globe questions, please review #1 and #4 here: http://indiewebcamp.com/2015-03-23-boston-globe-questions http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-26/line/1427414090306
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tantek thanks benwerd
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bret Tantek those are great concise answers!
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tantek thanks bret! yes it took some iteration :)
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tantek hoping they're concise enough to get quoted as is