#indiewebcamp 2015-04-01

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pdurbin
KartikPrabhu: nice article on facebook. thanks
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bret
sweet, just logged into stack exchange app on my phone using openid indieauth
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JonathanNeal
KevinMarks: you around today?
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tantek
reads
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ben_thatmustbeme
works from my micropub endpoint just by putting in "http://tantek.com" as the category
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ben_thatmustbeme
pulls name and corrected url from your h-card on your site
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tantek
that makes sense
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tantek
wow that's great!
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tantek
hmm - there's duplicate Title
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tantek
attribute
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tantek
souce:
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tantek
<span class="category-link"><a class="u-category" href="http://tantek.com/" title="Tantek Çelik">Tantek Çelik</a>
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tantek
could be improved to: <span class="category-link"><a class="u-category h-card" href="http://tantek.com/">Tantek Çelik</a>
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ben_thatmustbeme
i usually do that, though perhaps it should be the URL in this case
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tantek
definitely add it to /person-tag IndieWeb Examples!
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ben_thatmustbeme
will add it tomorrow
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ben_thatmustbeme
way past time to be sleeping
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KartikPrabhu
ben_thatmustbeme: nice example of people tag
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@jacobyjyoung
Having my site on @withknown just feels right and I'm really excited about the IndieWeb. http://indiewebcamp.com/principles
(twitter.com/_/status/583154951230091264)
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cweiske
kylewm, where does woodwind read the hub and topic url from? HTTP header or also html/atom links?
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cweiske
oooooooooooooh
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cweiske
reader.kylewm.com uses push to get content from cweiske.de/tagebuch/feed/ :)
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cweiske
PuSH last ping: 3 seconds ago
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@sirmlivesey
@chestertweet Your manifesto really sums up the #indieweb there.
(twitter.com/_/status/583182617266253824)
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@sirmlivesey
Developing an #indieweb mindset and culture - understanding #doteveryone http://mylocal.wiki/?p=98 via @zebrared
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cweiske
kylewm, I had to click 3x "update" in the feed settings until it found the push hub
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cweiske
awesomeness
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cweiske
instant feed update in woodwind!
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@chestertweet
RT @sirmlivesey: @chestertweet Your manifesto really sums up the #indieweb there.
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@zebrared
RT @sirmlivesey: Developing an #indieweb mindset and culture - understanding #doteveryone http://mylocal.wiki/?p=98 via @zebrared
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cweiske.de
edited /PubSubHubbub (+49) "/* Testing your hub */"
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cweiske
<cweiske> kylewm's woodwind and my own pubsubhubbub server in action: http://tmp.cweiske.de/phubb-woodwind.mp4
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cweiske
kylewm, something is wrong with woodwind. it only picks up 1 out of three updates/pings
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@kevinmarks
@Marthalanefox @nevali have you looked at #indieweb and #barcamp movements?
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atomicules
Hello again all. For anyone else syndicating out to Pinboard, am I right in thinking there is no way to get the bookmark ID created via the API?
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@atomicules
I've now started syndicating out any link type posts on my site to Pinboard as part of my #indieweb effort. Next up is photos to Flickr.
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@stiobhart
@atomicules Sounds interesting. My unofficial 'Indie Web' efforts usually founder on the agony of setting up my own mailservers. #indieweb
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@stiobhart
@atomicules Will have to check out http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE further. I miss using https://ifttt.com/ since I redid my blog in #Hugo SSG.
(twitter.com/_/status/583242556361801728)
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@atomicules
@stiobhart Some of the indieweb efforts like Bridgy are very clever, but I'm going for a more DIY rough and ready approach.
(twitter.com/_/status/583244689207398400)
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@atomicules
@stiobhart The good thing about the indieweb is that it's fine to come up with your own way of doing things.
(twitter.com/_/status/583245221938462720)
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atomicules
Loqi, you are a bit scary.
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Loqi
dude
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GWG
pfefferle: I see you are back.
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cweiske.de
edited /projects (+136) "/* Pingback2hook */"
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pfefferle
GWG not really… sadly… only back to work but my internet at home is still not working :(
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Loqi
pfefferle: petermolnar left you a message on 3/22 at 11:55am: https://pfefferle.github.io/openwebicons/ fails to load some assets from http sources on https; you should probably take a look at it http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-22/line/1427050511948
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GWG
pfefferle: Still, nice to 'see' you.
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pfefferle
GWG nice to be back again… at least at work :)
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GWG
I understand that.
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pfefferle
!tell petermolnar thanks, I will have a look!
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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ben_thatmustbeme
good morning all
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ben.thatmustbe.me
edited /person-tag (+369) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ adding my site to indieweb examples"
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ben.thatmustbe.me
edited /person-tag (+316) "/* Brainstorming */ notes on area tag"
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zachdonovan
good morning!
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kylewm.com
created /invite (+23) "Redirected page to [[invitation]]"
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GWG
Morning
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aaronpk
morning!
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aaronpk
!tell cweiske that is an awesome video of your PuSH server and woodwind!!
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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kylewm.com
edited /events/2015-04-08-homebrew-website-club (+83) "/* URLs */ add link to SF events"
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kylewm.com
edited /events/2015-04-22-homebrew-website-club (+85) "/* URLs */ add link to SF events"
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kylewm
cweiske++ lol, that is a lot (3-4 seconds) faster than updates from my site get posted to woodwind
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Loqi
cweiske has 21 karma
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kylewm
I wonder what he meant about 2/3 pings not being received
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kylewm
the "had to click update three times to get it to recognize the push hub" probably just means that the first update took a while to process
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aaronpk
maybe some sort of progress indicator would help with that
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tantek
welcome back aaronpk!
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Loqi
cweiske: aaronpk left you a message 25 minutes ago: that is an awesome video of your PuSH server and woodwind!! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-04-01/line/1427904945102
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cweiske
kylewm, I meant that I clicked "create article" on http://push-tester.bogo/ and the woodwind did not show the new post at all
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cweiske
even after waiting for a minute or more
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cweiske
clicking "create article" again did not show up in woodwind's browser window either
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cweiske
only the third click did
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cweiske
the two posts in between were not visible in my browser
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cweiske
I had to reload the browser window to see them
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bret
cweiske++
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Loqi
cweiske has 22 karma
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ben_thatmustbeme
woo, only the second person posting person tags
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ben_thatmustbeme
now I need to make sure that I send webmentions for them
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ben_thatmustbeme
I need to get KevinMarks_ to tag me in something so I can test receiving too :)
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ben_thatmustbeme
or rather, to test "being tagged"
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kylewm
snarfed: hullo, facebook backfeed is dying for me with "Cowardly refusing id with colon"
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kylewm
I think the endpoint is doesn't like is /v2.2/1565113317092307/invited
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kylewm
but i don't see any colons there
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Loqi
slack/snarfed: kylewm: yeah i see the same thing. seems to be affecting many/all fb users
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Loqi
slack/snarfed: background in <https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/305> . we thought/think it was a transient fb issue, but not sure
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Loqi
[mention] Ben Werdmüller posted 'Introducing the Indie Dash Button! #indieweb #vrm 4 min read ...' linking to http://indiewebcamp.com/projects (http://werd.io/2015/introducing-the-indie-dash-button-indieweb-vrm)
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cweiske
kylewm, I tested it the last 10 minutes: often I have 2-3 seconds delay from my post until woodwind shows it in my browser, but there are times it takes 8 and one time even 17 seconds
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cweiske
but I can't reproduce the issues new posts do not show up at all
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kylewm
cweiske: grr, yeah the latency is challenging. i tried adding a high priority and low priority queue, and add pings to the high prioroity queue
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kylewm
that helped a little, but apparently still problems
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cweiske
I don't understand why the latency is there at all
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cweiske
is your server so loaded?
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cweiske
is the queue full?
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kylewm
cweiske: well it's doing a bunch of polling, maybe it's in the middle of fetching another site that is slow to respond
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cweiske
oh, so you only have one worker?
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Loqi
slack/ben_thatmustbeme: jumps on to slack just to do this... :ben:
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cweiske
just add more workers :)
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cweiske
then we'd see the real speed
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kylewm
snarfed: I tried that endpoint from graph explorer, with my access token from bridgy, and it doesn't seem to have any colons in ids
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snarfed
kylewm: yup agreed
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Loqi
slack/ben_thatmustbeme: also :pbjt:
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ben_thatmustbeme
custom emoji in slack are a little fun
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Loqi
[mention] Ben Werdmüller posted 'Introducing the Indie Dash Button! #indieweb #vrm 4 min read ...' linking to http://indiewebcamp.com/webmentions (http://werd.io/2015/introducing-the-indie-dash-button-indieweb-vrm)
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kylewm
cweiske: ok two workers now :)
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cweiske
now I don't get any update :/ trying to reload woodwind
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cweiske
13s, 8s, 2s, 3s
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cweiske
so 2s is the best speed we'll get
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tantek
the problem with benwerd's proposed Indie Dash is that it's actually a good idea.
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tantek
it's basically h-listing + webmentions
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benwerd
I started writing it as an april fool's, and then slowly had an "oh ..." moment
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Loqi
benwerd: parzzix left you a message on 3/28 at 7:04pm: I am setting up subdomain on knownpro... was wondering what the "1799 IN CNAME domains.withknown.com". means in the instructions after setting up the first cname...it's not clear http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-28/line/1427594692180
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Loqi
benwerd: parzzix left you a message on 3/28 at 7:10pm: nevermind...i got it figured out. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-28/line/1427595000008
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tantek
^^^ love when that happens
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tantek
what is a listing?
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tantek
listing is an offer to buy/sell/rent/borrow/share an item of some sort, usually for some amount or range of money, and sometimes time. see also http://microformats.org/wiki/h-listing
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loqi.me
created /listing (+209) "prompted by tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-04-01/line/1427912514555 and dfn added by tantek"
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tantek
ok benwerd I've started a stub for you
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Loqi
[mention] Ben Werdmüller posted 'Introducing the Indie Dash Button! #indieweb #vrm 4 min read ...' linking to http://indiewebcamp.com (http://werd.io/2015/introducing-the-indie-dash-button-indieweb-vrm)
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kylewm
vanquished benwerd with the mere mention of Social WG
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tantek.com
edited /listing (+732) "expand with WHy, How (markup, respond), Silo Examples, Articles, See ALso"
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tantek
thanks a lot kylewm :P
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tantek.com
edited /listing (+67) "/* How to respond */ in-reply-to, webmention"
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tantek
!tell benwerd ok now it's an expanded stub, including how to markup, respond: https://indiewebcamp.com/listing
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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cweiske
erm, kylewm - don't you use the POST content my hub send you?
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cweiske
you do :/
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cweiske
no wonder we don't get below 2 seconds
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kylewm
cweiske: so I would need some sort of authorization token scheme to accept it right?
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kylewm
otherwise anybody could post anything to the push endpoint
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KevinMarks_
Loqi's link regex looks a bit over greedy here: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-03-31/line/1427864050283
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KevinMarks_
It sounds a lot like the original hproduct hoisting goals. There was a startup trying to be the hub for them iirc
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KevinMarks_
Webmention is the missing piece of the puzzle
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tantek
KevinMarks_: s/hproduct/hlisting
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KevinMarks_
Yes; "hoisting" was my phone reinterpreting hlisting
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tantek
that's funny because hoisting made sense in that context
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cweiske
kylewm, yes I support that
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cweiske
I add a signature header
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snarfed
ok this new fb api bug is fascinating and infuriating me. https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/305#issuecomment-88597572
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snarfed
kylewm: i have this sick nightmare fantasy that fb is trolling us
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kylewm
snarfed++ that would be amazing
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Loqi
snarfed has 96 karma
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kylewm
like that story about AOL changing their protocol every couple days so that MSN couldn't interoperate with them
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snarfed
hah yes
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snarfed
it's beginning to feel like this horrible april fools scavenger hunt
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kylewm
oh, you found where the 63 was coming from!
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kylewm
this is similar to when it was converting /2015 to some random Harvard student's app-scoped id
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snarfed
oh man right
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gRegor`
!tell KartikPrabhu I don't know how easy it is in Django (plus with an already populated database), but if you could convert your datetime columns to type 'timestamp' then you wouldn't need to perform TZ conversion in the query. See http://indiewebcamp.com/mysql#DATE.2C_DATETIME.2C_and_TIMESTAMP_types
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KevinMarks
I'm on TWiG this week so tool suggestions and news to discuss welcomed
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gRegor`
!tell KartikPrabhu You can specify the session TZ in a separate query before querying the notes, and MySQL will convert from its stored UTC to the session TZ.
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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kylewm
gRegor`: I added start/end dates for events to my DB yesterday ... I'm storing the dates in UTC and the TZ in a third column.
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gRegor`
I've known some real tools . . . oh, not what you meant. ;)
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kylewm
is that the right way to do that?
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gRegor`
MySQL or Postgres or?
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kylewm
postgres
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gRegor`
I'm not very familiar with Postgres yet, so not sure if it has a timestamp data type that acts like MySQLs.
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gRegor`
I need to try out postgres after all the good things I've heard. Habits are hard to get out of, heh.
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kylewm
I tried setting the column type to "timestamp with time zone", but that acted weird
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gRegor`
Esp. when all our work clients have mysql
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kylewm
I think maybe a bad interaction with my ORM
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gRegor`
I'm a big fan of the way timestamp type functions in MySQL. It requires an initial query: SET @@session.time_zone = '[TZ]';, then I can query with a datetime and feel confident it's converting the UTC to the specified TZ.
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gRegor`
But a separate TZ column should work too. Might run into some edge cases with DST occasionally.
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gRegor`
It's possible/likely your ORM is setting a default timezone
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kylewm
so I'm good with a global timezone for the published/updated date
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kylewm
but i wanted to have an explicit one for events
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kylewm
in case they are in another timezone besides mine
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@NorthCreekSoft
#ownyourdata Are you a cloud tool-maker? Market survey here- what, why, how does it connect to others: https://davenorthcreek.typeform.com/to/xwXqrt
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@NorthCreekSoft
#ownyourdata Are you a cloud tool-user? Let us know what you use. Monthly, summary of data sent to your email. https://davenorthcreek.typeform.com/to/GVDQBx
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@NorthCreekSoft
#ownyourdata tell us the good and bad of your online tool use! We'll collate and send you a summary of everyone's! https://davenorthcreek.typeform.com/to/GVDQBx
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aaronpk
jonnybarnes: thx, yeah that's sneaky!
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aaronpk
benwerd: lol yeah I definitely did not read that as a joke
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aaronpk
cweiske: ooh you send content in the PuSH pings?
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benwerd
aaronpk: I might make a second attempt at a joke .. ;)
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Loqi
benwerd: tantek left you a message 2 hours, 12 minutes ago: ok now it's an expanded stub, including how to markup, respond: https://indiewebcamp.com/listing http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-04-01/line/1427912878676
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benwerd
Although there's always fool.academy
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aaronpk
i like com.google
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KevinMarks
pacman on streets in google maps is cool
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tantek
what is Pacman?
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tantek
what is Google Maps?
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@aaronpk
Apparently this started out as an April fool's, but it's kinda a great idea: "Introducing the Indie Dash Button!" http://werd.io/2015/introducing-the-indie-dash-button-indieweb-vrm
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benwerd
I enjoyed the Tesla Watch
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gRegor`
Superfeedr is Batfeedr now http://superfeedr.com/
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aaronpk
glad to see switchboard returning diagnostic info for my feed :) https://switchboard.p3k.io/feed/QuQhFQLQQXOkUpYtZZ0wolYqC5SrFG3V
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tantek
aaronpk: did you see /listing ?
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kylewm
aaronpk: do you know why woodwind doesn't show up in there?
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aaronpk
kylewm: hm are you not getting pings from it either?
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kylewm
I got one 19 hours ago supposedly
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kylewm
shoot
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kylewm
PuSH expiry: 57 minutes ago
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aaronpk
oops how'd that happen?
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kylewm
ok i'm there now, sorry
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tantek
what is Batfeedr?
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kylewm
I must not be renewing the subscription far enough in advance
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tantek
opens Slack to see if that was inlined
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tantek
wow it was
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gRegor`
Batfeedr is /Superfeedr
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loqi.me
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tantek
aaronpk: what do you think of auto-embedding image URLs like that, perhaps even using CASSIS on the client side when viewing our IRC logs
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@aaronpk
@Malcolm_Ocean Not sure if you're joking, lol, but if you're interested, check out http://indiewebcamp.com/how-to-push
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Loqi
[mention] Aaron Parecki commented '@Malcolm_Ocean Not sure if you're joking, lol, but if you're interested, check out http://indiewebcamp.com/how-to-push' on a post that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/how-to-push (https://aaronparecki.com/replies/2015/04/01/1/)
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tantek
(to avoid hammering of embeds via search engines)
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aaronpk
apparently i should have called Switchboard "pubsubhubbub club" instead https://twitter.com/Malcolm_Ocean/status/583369421139345409
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@Malcolm_Ocean
.@aaronpk Where do I sign up? I want to join the PubSubHubbbub club!
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KevinMarks
sounds like a domain to buy
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aaronpk
was definitely considering it
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aaronpk
i just bought my first .club the other day...
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aaronpk
also, there's a new indieweb-enabled animal now http://hedgy.club/
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KevinMarks
though maybe without the extra b
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gRegor`
Aw
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gRegor`
What is Hedgy?
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tantek
what is an animal that is self-sufficient yet does well in peer to peer packs?
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aaronpk
Hedgy is a bot that watches your website for food and drink posts and reminds you to eat if you haven't in a while. http://hedgy.club
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loqi.me
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tantek
aaronpk that should be hangrybot :P
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tantek
wonders how long til benwerd implements an h-listing plugin for Known so users can post listings and reply to them.
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tantek
and optionally POSSE to Craigslist
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tantek.com
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aaronpk
It's actually an anti-hangover bot at first
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tantek
just noticed on the indie dash post that benwerd / Known has adopted the same black Twitter and Facebook icons for his/their "Also on:" syndication links display that I've been doing since 2014-09-12 (implemented), e.g. bottom of posts http://tantek.com/2014/245/t1/just-short-today-trackattack-workout##View%20on%20Facebook
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tantek.com
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cweiske
aaronpk, yep - that was the easiest to do
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cweiske
I am using temp files for content and headers instead of passing them all around to the workers, though
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cweiske
which in turn requires me to clean up afterwards
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cweiske
but yes, fat pings is the only allowed method in push 0.4
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tantek
kylewm: re: 1 file per post - yeah, you're gonna have a bad file I/O perf bottleneck day if you do that ;)
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cweiske
I also send some of the original headers to the subscriber
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kylewm
tantek: I don't disagree but the issue was storing a very large index in the filesystem
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kylewm
although doens't aaronpk store one post per file?
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I was under the assumption 0.4 didn't specify whether fat pings were required
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It was easier for me to deal with empty push pings since then I just parse the original source url as I normally would without PuSH
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KevinMarks
what new indieweb things have launched since I was last on twig?
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KevinMarks
already talked about ownyourgram I think
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tantek
KevinMarks - we've seen a resurgence of interest in PubSubHubbub in the IndieWeb community - with the implementation and launch of new hubs from aaronpk and cweiske - the indieweb community is now the pre-eminent place for PuSH developers.
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KevinMarks
right, but a bit plumbing
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tantek
= resurgence of realtime distributed web
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tantek
(just realized that after I said it - too plumbing centric)
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KevinMarks
would sending people to new readers be good or bad?
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KevinMarks
oh, the youtube to huffduffer thingy
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KevinMarks
that's a good one
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KevinMarks
or would that destroy snarfed's quotas?
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KevinMarks
the feature benefit of PuSH is rapid updates, but not sure that's ready for everyone yet
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tantek
s/rapid updates/real time reading
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tantek
the point is there have been all these conferences (RealTimeConf) and various silo startups seeking to replace or augment or depend on Twitter, and no one else has actually started to make progress on broader "real time distributed web" until now with what IndieWeb is building
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tantek
conferences don't make progress, building and shipping stuff on your own site that interoperates with other sites makes progress.
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tantek
keep hammering that
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kylewm
it is exciting that there are 3x as many PuSH 0.4 implementations as there were a week ago
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tantek
kylewm totally agreed. that's why I think we can make statements like the above
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tantek
also real time readers
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tantek
that's another relatively new phenomenon
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tantek
are there any other PuSH consuming readers?
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tantek
what are PuSH consuming readers?
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tantek
kylewm ^^^ :)
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kylewm
PuSH consuming readers are [[reader]]s that can subscribe to a [[Pubsubhubbub]]-enabled feed in order to receive real-time updates -- See also: [[Shrewdness]], [[Woodwind]], [[Monocle]].
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kylewm: would you want lots of people tryingwoodwind?
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kylewm
KevinMarks: hmm, well gated by how many people can indieauth which is relatively low
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kylewm
KevinMarks: I don't think Woodwind is ready for lots of attention :)
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tantek
kylewm: excellent "limited invite beta" strategy ;)
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OK , I won't plug to twig then
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kylewm: I think with the indieauth required bar, you'd be able to handle the attention
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tantek
just make sure you have good onboarding that redirects people to http://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started
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kylewm
OK I added a link to /Getting_Started :)
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subscribe button to podcasts
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tantek
KevinMarks: huh?
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tantek
what is a subscribe button to podcasts?
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KevinMarks
a thing we need
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cweiske
about fat pings
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kylewm
KevinMarks: would SubToMe help with that?
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KevinMarks
we need an web action for it
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cweiske
tantek, tt-rss also supports push
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cweiske
but it doesn't push updates in the browser in realtime
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cweiske
monocle doesn't either
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tantek
cweiske, cool, perhaps add those distinctions to /PuSH_consuming_readers
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cweiske
also, feedly supports push
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cweiske
I saw them subscribe to my blog's hub
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cweiske
it's quite cool that I have my own hub now since I can see who subscribes
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tantek
awesome - that's a very good sign that there are that many PuSH consuming readers in active development
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tantek
what is your own hub?
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tantek
^^^ cweiske go ahead and start that and note the "Why" advantage you just said!
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KevinMarks
subscribe to podcast web action
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KevinMarks
"stop calling it podcasting, call it radio"
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tantek
KevinMarks: is that a "follow" web action of a specific post type?
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benwerd
(We're in deep on this subject. Interviewed many people about it last week, deliberately away from Silicon Valley, with more to come this week.)
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KevinMarks
would love to chat
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KevinMarks
having a big meta session on podcasts on twig right now
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benwerd
tunes in
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benwerd
(and we should chat for all kinds of reasons)
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benwerd
This is good
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KevinMarks
chromebook friendly coding app: https://koding.com/
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benwerd
kevinmarks++
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Loqi
kevinmarks has 95 karma
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bear
KevinMarks++ nice TWiG plug for indiewebcamp
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Loqi
dude
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bear
KevinMarks++
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bear
kevinmarks++
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bear
kicks loqi in the shins
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pdurbin
KevinMarks plugging indieweb on TWiG is the reason I'm here. But I haven't listened in a while... since episode 272 looks like.
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KevinMarks_
So you gave up TWiG for indieWebcamp?
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Loqi
KartikPrabhu: gRegor` left you a message 3 hours, 17 minutes ago: I don't know how easy it is in Django (plus with an already populated database), but if you could convert your datetime columns to type 'timestamp' then you wouldn't need to perform TZ conversion in the query. See http://indiewebcamp.com/mysql#DATE.2C_DATETIME.2C_and_TIMESTAMP_types http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-04-01/line/1427919567104
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Loqi
KartikPrabhu: gRegor` left you a message 3 hours, 16 minutes ago: You can specify the session TZ in a separate query before querying the notes, and MySQL will convert from its stored UTC to the session TZ. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-04-01/line/1427919641611
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pdurbin
KevinMarks_: heh. I don't know. I like it when TWiG gets philosophical. I don't like it when they go on about the latest Android gadget.
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KartikPrabhu
gRegor`: the problem seems to have stopped for now. Also Django made my DB I didn't so I'll have to look into timestamp things
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[bridgy] Malcolm Ocean replied '@aaronpk Ahh! It was very much a joke, mostly an excuse to say pubsubhubbbub club. Speaking of which, hm... is pubsubhubbbub.club taken?' to a tweet that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/how-to-push (https://twitter.com/Malcolm_Ocean/status/583410230412705792)
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